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Title: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 16, 2010, 02:37:13 PM
okay now we're there, on sunspider benchmark: IE9 beta and Firefox 4.0b7pre are as fast as Chrome 7 (well on my system). I get about 530ms for the three repeatedly. Opera remains faster, with something just above 400 ms. I actually once had a similar result with a version of Chrome but could never reproduce it.

 Now to the facts, i.e. simple browsing experience: I read a few days ago that someone from Microsoft said that javascript performance didn't represent, in terms of speed, more than 30% of overall browser speed performance, and this seems confirmed...hmm...in Firefox 4 ;D there's no way it's as fast as Chrome now, surfing on a few pages gives you an idea, it's just slower, much slower.

 At the opposite, and you may have noticed that I've been one of the worse "IE8 (and older) hater" on this forum, IE9 is fast, it's just a rocket. I downloaded the beta yesterday, and honestly I'm impressed. Well...let's say it once for all, the UI is a Google Chrome clone, in every way, i.e. not just the looks, technically too >>> startup is instant, and browsing is at least as fast as Chrome, this is amazing. I wasn't expecting that from Microsoft; got the feeling for the first time since I use Windows that there's a version of IE matching the OS quality standards. So I don't care whether it mimicks Chrome, it does it well, + a couple of extra features for security (inprivate filtering, activeX improved protection...).

 Just be warned, it's a beta, I mean it's really a beta >>> crashes ;D ...often on flash sites. Also on my system it doesn't detect the windows live sign in assistant, making direct feedback from the IE9 interface impossible, you get a prompt to install the assistant...that you already got ;D Last warning >>> it replaces IE8 completely. I f you don't want it anymore, you must uninstall from "installed updates", it won't appear in the list of all programs.

here's the link to get it:
http://windows.microsoft.com/ie9

ps: on a side note, but please don't make this the central point of this thread, because it certainly is not, IE9, just like Windows Live Essentials 2011, is not compatible with Windows XP.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 16, 2010, 05:13:19 PM
BUMP !  ;D no feedback yet about IE9 ???
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 16, 2010, 05:29:26 PM
I'm definitely going to try to convince my ladyfriend here to get it on the Vista machine when it comes out of beta. Then I'll be able to play with it. I've been reading everything I find about it and it looks fantastic. In my own usage, I'll have to wait until I get a new machine with W7 since this one has XP  :(
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 16, 2010, 05:44:20 PM
yeah, from what I read just very quickly, the browser uses full hardware acceleration through the OS graphics interface, so it can only work in Vista or Seven. The only thing I'll be definitely missing about it is extensions, because I know MS will never do that...well it's just the beginning of that beta phase and it should last about six months but I doubt they'll ever change this, would require to open code and that's not MS style, not mentioning that the browser is so embedded in Seven that opening it to external devs would be risky. 
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: bob3160 on September 16, 2010, 05:46:20 PM
I installed it on my Win 7 system and can't say anything good.
First attempt to run it resulted in a crash.
I can't get to the control panel to uninstall.
When I get back home, will have to reboot into safe mode and go from there.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 16, 2010, 05:51:03 PM
wow Bob, no such problems here, I've had a few crashes but it recovered by itself, i.e. the crashing tabs got restored in a matter of seconds.

 Here's a screen shot of Avast forum as an app in IE9, notice how the browser is picking up the colors of Avast...

edit: again, as mentioned in my first post, you can't uninstall from "programs and features", but from "installed updates"
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: olejnikster on September 16, 2010, 06:51:41 PM
I've installed IE9 Beta just yesterday to have a look at it. So far stability is alright. I did notice that it is quite good on system resources. Would say better than current Firefox has been up to now. Seems also that java script is switched off, or maybe certain types. But then I also  remember when IE7 was in beta and I tried it, worked very good. As soon as the final came out is when things went bad for me.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 16, 2010, 08:22:59 PM
I took the plunge and installed IE9 on my Windows 7 system.

Now to swim around a bit with it and hope the Pirates don't get me. ;)

Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hopismum on September 16, 2010, 09:10:05 PM
Installed it on my Vista Home Premium system.   So far its blazing fast, hasnt crashed on me once.  Im getting used to where things are in it now but overall like the changes to it.   The ONLY issue Im having is that the Maximize, Minimize and Close buttons do not work at all.  I have to right mouse on it on the Task bar to close it.   Still fidding with that to see what the heck is going on.   Does the same on other logins/after reboots etc.  *scratching head*

This site's new theme displays very well for me.  Since I do Theme design work for SMF forums I know what to look for ;)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: bob3160 on September 16, 2010, 11:07:25 PM
(Off-Topic)
Nice to see you on here again connie. Hope everything is fine at home.  :)

(On-Topic)
I'm about to install it on my laptop hopefully with more success than I had on the desktop.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 16, 2010, 11:12:02 PM

I'm about to install it on my laptop hopefully with more success than I had on the desktop.

good luck this time ;)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hopismum on September 16, 2010, 11:38:31 PM
(Off-Topic)
Nice to see you on here again connie. Hope everything is fine at home.  :)

Thanks Bob.  Everything's super here.

I uninstalled it.  Will probably mess with it again but I couldn't resolve the issue I was having and after hours of searching the net couldn't find a fix for it so gave up for now.   

If anyone else comes across the issue and knows how to correct it -   Minimize/Maximize/Close buttons would not work.  Clicking the edge of the browser window to min/maximize it would not work.   Had to close via task bar.    Other then that stuff I really like it.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: bob3160 on September 16, 2010, 11:44:37 PM
It's actually very nice and fast. Reminds me a bit of Opera.
For me here on my laptop it's behaving well even toe min., max., and close are working properly.
Time to figure out what's wrong on the desktop.  :-[
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 17, 2010, 12:15:20 AM
I don't have these issues, but you can report them on Microsoft "answers", that's the only place for it, in the internet explorer section (you'll get an option to tell it's about 9beta when posting).

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: polonus on September 17, 2010, 12:21:36 AM
Hi malware fighters,

What does it say when you go here: http://www.w3schools.com/js/tryit.asp?filename=try_nav_all

polonus
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 17, 2010, 08:59:20 AM
This:

Quote
Browser CodeName: Mozilla

Browser Name: Microsoft Internet Explorer

Browser Version: 5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0)

Cookies Enabled: true

Platform: Win32

User-agent header: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 17, 2010, 09:01:09 AM
Running it sandboxed and it's quite sluggish like that, runs fine outside the sandbox. I quite like it but i will be sticking to Chrome.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 17, 2010, 09:17:01 AM
A new Flash Player Beta is out.

Flash Player 10.2.161.22 Beta

changelog: Adds enhanced support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 9 Beta on Windows

download link: http://www.filehippo.com/download_flashplayer_ie/


EDIT: Link to official page: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

EDIT2: Just a warning for those that don't like to read the fine print.  ;D

Quote
Important: Please note that if you install the Flash Player "Square" preview, you will need to keep this version up to date by manually installing updates from the Flash Player "Square" download page on Adobe Labs. You will not receive automatic update notifications for future final releases of Flash Player, and you will need to manually uninstall Flash Player "Square" before installing a final shipping version of Flash Player.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 17, 2010, 10:07:18 AM
A new Flash Player Beta is out.

Flash Player 10.2.161.22 Beta

changelog: Adds enhanced support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 9 Beta on Windows

download link: http://www.filehippo.com/download_flashplayer_ie/

okay thanks for that, this should be needed as IE9 crashes sometimes with flash sites, at least those with pages heavily populated with flash content.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 17, 2010, 10:10:34 AM
Running it sandboxed and it's quite sluggish like that, runs fine outside the sandbox. I quite like it but i will be sticking to Chrome.

runs fast sandboxed too here...and better than IE8 anyway that use to crash off and on because of the java plugin when sandboxed.

 >>> how come the page linked by Polonus shows a Mozilla agent ???

edit: same here ??? http://show-ip.net/browserinfo/

(chrome shows a mozilla agent too but it's always been like that while Opera shows Opera)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 17, 2010, 10:25:48 AM
explanations here: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/03/23/introducing-ie9-s-user-agent-string.aspx

@ Polonus >>> it's always been like that, with IE8 and IE7 too...I just had no idea as I didn't use them at all, so that's no big news at all, just in case you were looking for sensational news and post it here ;D
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 17, 2010, 11:00:07 AM
Want to test your browser functionality ?

Go here: http://www.browserscope.org/

Note: This is mainly for developers and uber curious geeks... ;D
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 17, 2010, 05:23:48 PM
Running it sandboxed and it's quite sluggish like that, runs fine outside the sandbox. I quite like it but i will be sticking to Chrome.

runs fast sandboxed too here...and better than IE8 anyway that use to crash off and on because of the java plugin when sandboxed.

 >>> how come the page linked by Polonus shows a Mozilla agent ???

edit: same here ??? http://show-ip.net/browserinfo/

(chrome shows a mozilla agent too but it's always been like that while Opera shows Opera)
IE has always shown as Mozilla in every version because the original base was developed by Mozilla.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 17, 2010, 05:43:42 PM
I think you didn't read my last post DCH ??? (hmm...Mosaic you mean)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 17, 2010, 06:43:58 PM
I think you didn't read my last post DCH ??? (hmm...Mosaic you mean)
Its Mozilla from XP Pro.
Quote
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) ; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)
and IE9 from Windows 7
Quote
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 18, 2010, 07:06:00 PM
I think you didn't read my last post DCH ??? (hmm...Mosaic you mean)
Mosaic and Mozilla. There are core elements from both present in all browsers. The Mozilla tag just promotes compatibility.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 18, 2010, 07:29:43 PM
I think you didn't read my last post DCH ??? (hmm...Mosaic you mean)
Mosaic and Mozilla. There are core elements from both present in all browsers. The Mozilla tag just promotes compatibility.

...yeah, and Mozilla didn't exist in 1995 ;D while Mosaic did ::)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 18, 2010, 07:45:08 PM
I think you didn't read my last post DCH ??? (hmm...Mosaic you mean)
Mosaic and Mozilla. There are core elements from both present in all browsers. The Mozilla tag just promotes compatibility.

...yeah, and Mozilla didn't exist in 1995 ;D while Mosaic did ::)
Actually, yes it did. The first release of Netscape Navigator was in late 1994 and it was tagged as Mozilla. They invented the name.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 18, 2010, 08:03:00 PM
I think you didn't read my last post DCH ??? (hmm...Mosaic you mean)
Mosaic and Mozilla. There are core elements from both present in all browsers. The Mozilla tag just promotes compatibility.

...yeah, and Mozilla didn't exist in 1995 ;D while Mosaic did ::)
Actually, yes it did. The first release of Netscape Navigator was in late 1994 and it was tagged as Mozilla. They invented the name.

 Okay..DCH, I know all that, I've used Netscape and Firefox code comes from it...just the Mozilla tag as such couldn't exist in 95 when IE came out, as Mozilla, the company, didn't exist...

Quote
Internet Explorer 1 debuted on August 16, 1995. It was a reworked version of Spyglass Mosaic, which Microsoft had licensed, like many other companies initiating browser development, from Spyglass Inc. It came with Microsoft Plus! for Windows 95 and the OEM release of Windows 95. It was installed as part of the Internet Jumpstart Kit in Plus!.[10] The Internet Explorer team began with about six people in early development.[11][12] Internet Explorer 1.5 was released several months later for Windows NT and added support for basic table rendering. However, by including it for free on their OS, they did not have to pay royalties to Spyglass Inc., which resulted in a lawsuit and a multi-million USD settlement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer#Internet_Explorer_1
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: MasterTB on September 18, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
I'm running it now on my Win7 x64 Desktop and my Win7 x32 Laptop. Cool browser. Very nice for a Beta.
Finally Microsoft is doing it right with IE.
Of course it's not going to replace Opera for me but it has some nice features, security wise like the Download Manager, protected mode and the SmartScreen filter that checks downloads. IT really improves security over the other browsers when downloading files.

Martin.-
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: polonus on September 18, 2010, 10:54:36 PM
Hi malware fighters,

This is going to be the last chance for IE9 in the new second browser war, and it became even further embedded into the Operational System; and how fast will it be after a few patches? Re: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361444,00.asp
What would you conclude from the attached image below with action per millisecond?

polonus
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 18, 2010, 11:21:56 PM
Hi malware fighters,

This is going to be the last chance for IE9 in the new second browser war, and it became even further embedded into the Operational System; and how fast will it be after a few patches? Re: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361444,00.asp
What would you conclude from the attached image below with action per millisecond?

polonus

the article is from March 16 2010, based on a platform preview, not the browser (IE9 beta) ::) >>> download and install first, then comment ;)

ps: we're not malware fighters ;D >>> where can I enroll ???

Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: polonus on September 19, 2010, 12:07:23 AM
Hi Logos,

It was a sublink in a very recent discussion on the new browser wars: http://webwereld.nl/de-vijf/67210/vijf-fronten-van-de-nieuwe-browseroorlog.html?utm_source=front_head&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ww

I haven't tried IE9 yet, allthough on Vista the computer is my wife's and she also has a say in the matter. Then I will report here later,

polonus
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 19, 2010, 01:27:35 AM
Hi malware fighters,

This is going to be the last chance for IE9 in the new second browser war, and it became even further embedded into the Operational System; and how fast will it be after a few patches? Re: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361444,00.asp
What would you conclude from the attached image below with action per millisecond?

polonus
Last chance? Pardon me while I try to stop laughing.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 19, 2010, 01:35:41 AM
Last chance? Pardon me while I try to stop laughing.
I guess you are laughing because you only have Vista Home Basic SP2 on a Intel Celeron 420 1.6 ghz single core  system to test with.  ;)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 19, 2010, 01:47:18 AM
Last chance? Pardon me while I try to stop laughing.
I guess you are laughing because you only have Vista Home Basic SP2 on a Intel Celeron 420 1.6 ghz single core  system to test with.  ;)
No, I'm laughing because IE will never die and is in no trouble even now. It's holding it's own very well. I only object to the statement that IE9 is the "last chance" for the browser.

Also, I will not try it while it's in beta.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Coolmario88 on September 19, 2010, 01:53:40 AM
hmm if i download internet explorer 9 how do i update both version of internet explorer 8 the 32-bit and the 64-bit version to ie9? do i download the 32-bit and 64-bit or what ???
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: bob3160 on September 19, 2010, 02:05:59 AM
hmm if i download internet explorer 9 how do i update both version of internet explorer 8 the 32-bit and the 64-bit version to ie9? do i download the 32-bit and 64-bit or what ???
2 different computers I assume???
if they are then you need to download the right version for the system you're updating.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 19, 2010, 02:15:55 AM
hmm if i download internet explorer 9 how do i update both version of internet explorer 8 the 32-bit and the 64-bit version to ie9? do i download the 32-bit and 64-bit or what ???
There is only one download that updates both the 32-bit and 64-bit IE9.
I don't use the 64-bit IE9 as Finjan Secure Browsing does not work in it yet. 
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Coolmario88 on September 19, 2010, 02:18:24 AM
hmm if i download internet explorer 9 how do i update both version of internet explorer 8 the 32-bit and the 64-bit version to ie9? do i download the 32-bit and 64-bit or what ???
2 different computers I assume???
if they are then you need to download the right version for the system you're updating.
No its not 2 different computers there is 2 internet explorer 8 that came with my windows 7 64-bit computer the 32-bit ie8 and the 64-bit ie8. so do i update both or do i update ie8 64-bit. and if i do just the 64-bit what would happen to the 32-bit
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 19, 2010, 09:58:03 AM
Download the 64bit version, install it and it will also update the 32bit version to IE9 Beta.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 19, 2010, 10:17:00 AM
Download the 64bit version, install it and it will also update the 32bit version to IE9 Beta.

the downloads aren't 32 or 64 IE9, they're meant for either Win32 or Win64, while the different setup files in once case will update IE832, and in the other case both IE8 32 and IE64.

 
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 19, 2010, 10:36:57 AM
Hey Logos !

No need to confuse him even more than he allready is. ;D

Yes the downloads are either for 32bit versions of windows only or 64bit download which will update both the 64 bit version AND the 32bit version(64bit versions of windows run both the 32bit and 64bit IE). 
When you select the download for your particular language you also need to select your windows version, in his case Windows 7 64 bit. Hope it is clear enough now for him.

Though i can't see why he just doesn't download both versions himself and just try it. Sure is faster than asking around here. I guess some folks want to be 100 percent sure before they do something, nothing wrong with that i guess.  :)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: essexboy on September 19, 2010, 01:28:12 PM
I have no problems with it - and there is only a small learning curve.  I have found it faster, and I now no longer need to use a download manager  ;D

Win7 64 bit
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 19, 2010, 03:01:23 PM
I have no problems with it - and there is only a small learning curve.  I have found it faster, and I now no longer need to use a download manager  ;D

Win7 64 bit

Essexboy, have you got the send feedback option working? doesn't work here, I'm prompted to install Windows Live sign in assistant, and it's already installed and enabled in IE9 ???
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 19, 2010, 03:26:53 PM
Does not work here either.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 19, 2010, 03:35:44 PM
Does not work here either.

oh okay, I should have read your post half an hour ago, would have avoided an uninstall/re-install of IE9 ...for nothing ;D

edit: okay but on the other hand, if you don't have Windows Live Essentials installed, that's normal...not sure if you have it.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 19, 2010, 03:49:53 PM
Hey Logos !

No i don't have Windows Live Essentials installed. But i will install it and report back in a few minutes ok ? :)

Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 19, 2010, 04:00:27 PM
Hey Logos !

No i don't have Windows Live Essentials installed. But i will install it and report back in a few minutes ok ? :)



okay thanks
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 19, 2010, 04:04:15 PM
Nope still the same. Not working.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: essexboy on September 19, 2010, 04:37:36 PM
Err no I uninstalled it  ;D
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: polonus on September 20, 2010, 12:46:38 AM
Hi IE9 testers,

How does this browser perform on kraken? http://krakenbenchmark.mozilla.com/kraken-1.0/driver.html

polonus
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 20, 2010, 12:52:55 AM
kraken takes too long to complete, with any browser, + I suspect Mozilla of having optimized Kraken for Firefox ;D >>> some of them (@ Mozilla) are already saying that sunspider is not relable :D Firefox 4.0b7pre is actually performing better now, on Sunspider, as I mentioned in my first post here, but the problem is that it's still browsing the web slowly (when compared to Chrome, Opera or IE9)...which make me wonder about the tricks they may have used to fool sunspider...just guessing, this is really weird.

 edit: we're talking about speed and performance in general here, not security, and not "noscript".
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: polonus on September 20, 2010, 01:00:59 AM
Hi Logos,

We do not talk security, kraken is about browser speed testing, and Opera is faster there then the Fox.
Also would be nice to test from the various test pages here whether all these bugs from the past have now left IE9 version of the browser? One could test these IE-bugs here:
http://www.echoofeden.com/digest/mit/2007/06/11/ie7-uncle-double-class-selector-bug/
http://adlib.ozonecreations.com/random/ie_param_bug.html
http://www.priddypictures.co.uk/reference/fileInputProblem.htm
http://www.miranda-pack.com/msie7-bug.html
http://janus.space23.net/alpha.html
http://www.mjslib.com/bugs/ie-alphafilter-mousebug/
http://www.priddypictures.co.uk/reference/CtrlClickTest.htm
http://www.sunky.org/overflow-y.html
etc. etc.
Work-arounds are not being included,


polonus
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 20, 2010, 01:03:30 AM
yeah, that's how I meant it when I started the thread, not about security, to avoid any misunderstanding  ;D

...also, where did you get that list of links to test? are you compiling them?
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: polonus on September 20, 2010, 01:14:44 AM
Hi Logos,

The list is from here: http://www.quirksmode.org/bugreports/archives/explorer_7/index.html

Also interesting is what I have added as txt - a Firekeeper alert to a "nice" IE-location host alteration attempt, stopped in it's tracks,

polonus
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 20, 2010, 01:39:27 AM
Hi Logos,

The list is from here: http://www.quirksmode.org/bugreports/archives/explorer_7/index.html

Also interesting is what I have added as txt - a Firekeeper alert to a "nice" IE-location host alteration attempt, stopped in it's tracks,

polonus
Some of the links don't even work (2,5,&6) and none of the bugs except the first one show in IE8 unless you put it in Compatibility mode. I don't understand the first one because it looks to me that he is telling the colors to change and then is surprised that they do. On the next to last one, who ever does ctrl-click anyway? The tests are for IE7, apparently most of them were fixed in IE8.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 20, 2010, 02:51:44 PM
Quote
The tests are for IE7, apparently most of them were fixed in IE8.
Code: [Select]
===============================================RESULTS (means and 95% confidence intervals)------
-----------------------------------------Total:   67083.8ms +/- 22.0%
  
ai:                        1922.0ms +/- 2.3%
astar:                     1922.0ms +/- 2.3%  
audio:                     26155.2ms +/- 0.5%
beat-detection:           10407.9ms +/- 0.9%    
dft:                       3979.4ms +/- 0.9%      
fft:                      10470.1ms +/- 0.5%    
oscillator:                1297.8ms +/- 1.8%
imaging:                  34530.4ms +/- 42.6%    
gaussian-blur:            30196.8ms +/- 48.6%    
darkroom:                  2251.5ms +/- 2.0%    
desaturate:                2082.1ms +/- 3.9%
json:                       661.7ms +/- 2.5%    
parse-financial:            139.9ms +/- 5.7%    
stringify-tinderbox:        521.8ms +/- 2.8%  
stanford:                  3814.5ms +/- 2.6%    
crypto-aes:                 618.6ms +/- 3.2%    
crypto-ccm:                 535.9ms +/- 4.2%    
crypto-pbkdf2:             2088.9ms +/- 2.8%    
crypto-sha256-iterative:   571.1ms +/- 2.4%
It took along time to complete on my Windows 7 system.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: bob3160 on September 20, 2010, 03:44:01 PM
I can't get it installed at all on my main system. (Win 7 Ultimate 32 bit)
Crashes continually and tries to restart. The only way to break the cycle is to
kill the whole tree in Task Mgr. but that also prevents me from opening any folders....
Back on IE8 (which isn't used.) Default browser is Chrome.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 20, 2010, 07:39:13 PM
Quote
The tests are for IE7, apparently most of them were fixed in IE8.
Code: [Select]
===============================================RESULTS (means and 95% confidence intervals)------
-----------------------------------------Total:   67083.8ms +/- 22.0%
  
ai:                        1922.0ms +/- 2.3%
astar:                     1922.0ms +/- 2.3%  
audio:                     26155.2ms +/- 0.5%
beat-detection:           10407.9ms +/- 0.9%    
dft:                       3979.4ms +/- 0.9%      
fft:                      10470.1ms +/- 0.5%    
oscillator:                1297.8ms +/- 1.8%
imaging:                  34530.4ms +/- 42.6%    
gaussian-blur:            30196.8ms +/- 48.6%    
darkroom:                  2251.5ms +/- 2.0%    
desaturate:                2082.1ms +/- 3.9%
json:                       661.7ms +/- 2.5%    
parse-financial:            139.9ms +/- 5.7%    
stringify-tinderbox:        521.8ms +/- 2.8%  
stanford:                  3814.5ms +/- 2.6%    
crypto-aes:                 618.6ms +/- 3.2%    
crypto-ccm:                 535.9ms +/- 4.2%    
crypto-pbkdf2:             2088.9ms +/- 2.8%    
crypto-sha256-iterative:   571.1ms +/- 2.4%
It took along time to complete on my Windows 7 system.
Okay, what is all that code about? I don't get it.  If it's kraken, I didn't even attempt that. What I was talking about were the links Polonus posted.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 20, 2010, 11:08:55 PM
Okay, what is all that code about? I don't get it.  If it's kraken, I didn't even attempt that. What I was talking about were the links Polonus posted.
This is the result from Polonus original post
Quote
Hi IE9 testers,

How does this browser perform on kraken? http://krakenbenchmark.mozilla.com/kraken-1.0/driver.html

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=63974.msg541795#msg541795
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: CraigB on September 22, 2010, 07:08:10 PM
ie9 is working great for me with the new square flash for 32 and 64 bit with window's live essentials.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 22, 2010, 08:20:54 PM
ie9 is working great for me with the new square flash for 32 and 64 bit with window's live essentials.
Well Dch48 is suck on Vista Home Basic SP2.

That's like still using Windows ME and we know how good that was.  ;)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 22, 2010, 08:36:39 PM
ie9 is working great for me with the new square flash for 32 and 64 bit with window's live essentials.
Well Dch48 is suck on Vista Home Basic SP2.

That's like still using Windows ME and we know how good that was.  ;)
Come on--it's nothing like ME, the only thing it doesn't have that I have found is aero support. Other than that , it has the same features and abilities of Home Premium. I wouldn't have chosen it and wouldn't have it if it was the computer that I use. It was a very inexpensive ($249 at Best Buy) replacement for a dead 6 year old tower and is used by a very non computer savvy person for basic browsing,email,IM's and flash games. It's actually more than she needs and performs very well in the things it is asked to do. The only bad thing is, we bought it a week before W7 came out and the salesman said it qualified for the upgrade and even the signage for it in the store said it did. Afterwards, Emachines said that Home Basic did not qualify so I complained to Best Buy and the salesman admitted what he had told me so they offered to upgrade it at the store for a minimal charge. My ladyfriend said to forget about it because she was satisfied with the way it was  and didn't want to have to learn how to use another new OS (she had XP Home previously on the machine that died). So here we are.

Since it doesn't have Aero support, I'm wondering how well it will handle IE9 when it's released, but, again, she will probably be satisfied with IE8 and not want to switch anyway.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 22, 2010, 08:54:25 PM
aero support only matters for UI related animations, as to hardware acceleration, as long as Vista SP2 introduces DX11, I can't see any reason why IE9 wouldn't be supported on Vista basic...even if yes...basic should suck ;D
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 22, 2010, 08:58:47 PM
@ Dch48

A system running XP Home would best me left running it.

Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=1b544e90-7659-4bd9-9e51-2497c146af15

My XP Pro system failed miserably so I bought a new system!  8)

As you are using an Emachines desktop, 2GB RAM, Intel Celeron 420 1.6 ghz single core sytem it may fail to be capable of running Windows 7 effectively.  :'(

Modern Cell Phones are more powerful than anything eMachines produces and even Apple has something like it. ;)
 
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 22, 2010, 09:01:03 PM
aero support only matters for UI related animations, as to hardware acceleration, as long as Vista SP2 introduces DX11, I can't see any reason why IE9 wouldn't be supported on Vista basic...even if yes...basic should suck ;D
If it needs DX11, which I haven't seen that it does, she's out of luck anyway since the graphics chip only supports up to DX9. It's called Nvidia GeForce 7050 and is integrated on the motherboard.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 22, 2010, 09:16:25 PM
@ Dch48

A system running XP Home would best me left running it.

Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=1b544e90-7659-4bd9-9e51-2497c146af15

My XP Pro system failed miserably so I bought a new system!  8)

As you are using an Emachines desktop, 2GB RAM, Intel Celeron 420 1.6 ghz single core sytem it may fail to be capable of running Windows 7 effectively.  :'(

Modern Cell Phones are more powerful than anything eMachines produces and even Apple has something like it. ;)
 
Actually I have run the upgrade advisor and it passed since the graphics chip is capable of running Aero. This XP laptop also passes except for some drivers that may be hard to find. I have no intention of upgrading it though since some of it's nicer features wouldn't work in W7 such as the DVD player that doesn't even require a full Windows boot. I have no idea why Home Basic didn't qualify for the upgrade to W7 but it was a Microsoft thing not Emachines fault. There are more powerful Emachines available as well so your statement isn't actually true. It is a fact however that since the Acer takeover, Emachines has once again been relegated to the bottom tier of offerings like it was originally. In the Gateway years, there were actually some very nice and powerful Emachines on the market. I bought a desktop in 2005 that was pretty much top of the line in everything but graphics which was easily fixed. It has a quality MSI motherboard, and top name components throughout. It has an Athlon 64 3500+ processor which was high end back then and surround sound built in.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 22, 2010, 10:06:47 PM
aero support only matters for UI related animations, as to hardware acceleration, as long as Vista SP2 introduces DX11, I can't see any reason why IE9 wouldn't be supported on Vista basic...even if yes...basic should suck ;D
If it needs DX11, which I haven't seen that it does, she's out of luck anyway since the graphics chip only supports up to DX9. It's called Nvidia GeForce 7050 and is integrated on the motherboard.

well read some stuff >>> why do you think IE9 isn't supported on XP >>> IE9 is combining the use of HTML5 and hardware acceleration through the OS graphics interface, i.e. DX11, only available in Vista SP2 and Seven (same goes for Windows Live Essentials Wave 4). Again, we're not talking about UI animations here (Aero), but hardware acceleration when visiting web sites. How the app (IE9) will behave (on specific sites) once installed on chips not supporting DX11, I have no idea...but probably not too good. Once thing is sure, IE9 is built to detect your Windows version and what's in it (DX version), and won't bother sending you a warning if you got a non-supported graphics card.

 Which means that yes, if they had wanted to, it could have been supported in XP with restrictions, but they didn't want to, and I approve that. A full up and running IE8 on XP is probably better than a crippled IE9.

edit: oh yeah, and why do you think Vista SP2 is the minimum requirement?  :D
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 23, 2010, 01:14:33 AM
There has not been any information released as to exactly why it's not going to be supported in XP, just that it isn't. I also highly doubt that they are going to make having a DX11 capable graphics adapter a requirement for running IE9. That would be ridiculous and they haven't even suggested that.

From everything I'm reading, it looks like IE9 will run on DX9 hardware but maybe not with all features fully implemented. There are no graphics card requirements to be found and since it says in the official system reqs that "Display •Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution monitor with 256 colors" is all that's needed, I would say it will run on almost any graphics setup. You may have to use software rendering instead of GPU acceleration though.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: bob3160 on September 23, 2010, 03:52:11 AM
There has not been any information released as to exactly why it's not going to be supported in XP, just that it isn't. I also highly doubt that they are going to make having a DX11 capable graphics adapter a requirement for running IE9. That would be ridiculous and they haven't even suggested that.

From everything I'm reading, it looks like IE9 will run on DX9 hardware but maybe not with all features fully implemented. There are no graphics card requirements to be found and since it says in the official system reqs that "Display •Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution monitor with 256 colors" is all that's needed, I would say it will run on almost any graphics setup. You may have to use software rendering instead of GPU acceleration though.

Here you'll find some of the information that you said isn't available:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/ie_9_wont_be_supported_xp (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/ie_9_wont_be_supported_xp)
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/there-will-never-be-an-ie-9-for-xp/170 (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/there-will-never-be-an-ie-9-for-xp/170)
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/04/why-microsoft-did-the-right-thing-in-ditching-xp-for-ie9.ars (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/04/why-microsoft-did-the-right-thing-in-ditching-xp-for-ie9.ars)

I can supply you with many other sources.   Have fun reading.  :)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 23, 2010, 04:08:05 AM
There has not been any information released as to exactly why it's not going to be supported in XP, just that it isn't. I also highly doubt that they are going to make having a DX11 capable graphics adapter a requirement for running IE9. That would be ridiculous and they haven't even suggested that.

From everything I'm reading, it looks like IE9 will run on DX9 hardware but maybe not with all features fully implemented. There are no graphics card requirements to be found and since it says in the official system reqs that "Display •Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution monitor with 256 colors" is all that's needed, I would say it will run on almost any graphics setup. You may have to use software rendering instead of GPU acceleration though.

Here you'll find some of the information that you said isn't available:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/ie_9_wont_be_supported_xp (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/ie_9_wont_be_supported_xp)
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/there-will-never-be-an-ie-9-for-xp/170 (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/there-will-never-be-an-ie-9-for-xp/170)
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/04/why-microsoft-did-the-right-thing-in-ditching-xp-for-ie9.ars (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/04/why-microsoft-did-the-right-thing-in-ditching-xp-for-ie9.ars)

I can supply you with many other sources.   Have fun reading.  :)

I read all that stuff before you posted the links and it's speculation, not official word from Microsoft. All they say is it won't be available without a clear explanation as to why.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 23, 2010, 08:40:40 AM
The API's for a whole bunch of things like Direct2d are just not there for XP. Since IE9 depends on those API's and they are only available on Vista and up, IE9 is only supported on those OSes. It is 2010 and XP is obsolete.


http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/info/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/Default.html

Quote
What are the system requirements for IE9?
You need a Windows PC running either Windows 7 or Vista. On Vista, you need to have installed Internet Explorer 8 and you need to install the Platform Update for Windows Vista, available on Windows Update since October, 2009. Platform Preview is only available in a 32-bit x86 version but it will install and run on 64-bit Windows 7 and Vista.

Quote
Does IE9 run on Windows XP?
No. Internet Explorer 9's GPU-powered graphics take advantage of new technologies available in Windows 7 and back-ported only to Windows Vista. These technologies depend on advancements in the display driver model introduced first in Windows Vista.


http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee663866.aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd370987.aspx

http://channel9.msdn.com/blogs/charles/ie-9-surfing-on-the-gpu-with-d2d
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: CraigB on September 23, 2010, 08:58:56 AM
aero support only matters for UI related animations, as to hardware acceleration, as long as Vista SP2 introduces DX11, I can't see any reason why IE9 wouldn't be supported on Vista basic...even if yes...basic should suck ;D
If it needs DX11, which I haven't seen that it does, she's out of luck anyway since the graphics chip only supports up to DX9. It's called Nvidia GeForce 7050 and is integrated on the motherboard.
Dch48 have you tried going to the nvidia site to download the latest updates for your geforce 7050, i just checked there site and you are able to update to the latest  that im running which is the 256 to 260 version which will allow you to run dx11.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 23, 2010, 10:25:51 AM
Quote
You may have to use software rendering instead of GPU acceleration though

yeah, what else...
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 23, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
It is 2010 and XP is obsolete.
Rubbish.

There are many more systems running XP quite happily than all of Vista and Windows 7 combined:

August XP 53.1% Vista 10.5% Windows 7 22.3%
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: bob3160 on September 23, 2010, 03:11:39 PM
YoKenny,
The first part of you statement is correct. The happily part is debatable.
Remember that ignorance is bliss and once informed of the many benefits of Win 7,
the choice is obvious. 
Unfortunately the financial ability to upgrade isn't always possible.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Chris Thomas on September 23, 2010, 04:33:51 PM
If you are a XP user,and you need hardware acceleration in your browser

Then Mozilla Minefield Beta 7 nightly is your best bet

It has hardware acceleration for Compositing but not for contents

I am not 100% sure

I found IE9 to be a little faster and stable than IE8, but nothing surprising...

Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Aethec on September 23, 2010, 05:24:42 PM
It is 2010 and XP is obsolete.
Rubbish.

There are many more systems running XP quite happily than all of Vista and Windows 7 combined:

August XP 53.1% Vista 10.5% Windows 7 22.3%
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
The fact that 53.1% of desktops are running XP does not mean XP is not obsolete.
A lot of people still have floppy disks readers, does it mean floppys are not obsolete ?  ::)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 23, 2010, 07:50:18 PM
YoKenny,
The first part of you statement is correct. The happily part is debatable.
Remember that ignorance is bliss and once informed of the many benefits of Win 7,
the choice is obvious. 
Unfortunately the financial ability to upgrade isn't always possible.
Sadly m416 must be in a 3rd world country as he has many trolls looking over his shoulder and probably a Crybaby:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/crybaby.htm

He continues to post Rubish
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=63974.msg543002#msg543002
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Altarir. on September 23, 2010, 08:03:21 PM
He continues to post Rubish

Sadly, you continue doing it too
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: polonus on September 23, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Hi YoKenny,

XP SP3 is several years old and in computer development that is a heck of a time, MS decided to go on with Vista and Windows7 (why you have to ask them) that have a completely different and more complete security structure that never became implimented in XP SP3. For those still on XP there are ways to make it more secure, our mutual friend, m416, and I, have discussed this form of mitigation, it makes XP more secure "by heaps". With Windows 98SecondEdition we had a similar situation and the only unofficial service pack that was ever developed for it (brought USB service to Win98 etc.) came from a Turkish developer. I ran it and it was not bad, and then Win98 equaled ME,  The intermediant OS ME played a bit of the role Vista plays now, but I agree if your purse or your boss do not dictate you to go on using XP, Windows 7 has many advantages (and XP because of the security it has is more malware prone than Windows7) and these are facts,

polonus
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 23, 2010, 08:14:11 PM
He continues to post Rubish

Sadly, you continue doing it too
Sadly I do not have access to cheap Russian Vodka so I will continue. ;)

A typical Russian having a good time.

Using pirated XP SP2 ::)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Altarir. on September 23, 2010, 08:28:17 PM
A typical Russian having a good time.

Didn't know you make posts while doing that. That explains a lot.(I assume it's you on that pic)

Quote
Using pirated XP SP2

I feel sorry for you - you surely have few money if you needed to pirate it
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 23, 2010, 08:41:11 PM
A typical Russian having a good time.

Didn't know you make posts while doing that. That explains a lot.(I assume it's you on that pic)

Quote
Using pirated XP SP2

I feel sorry for you - you surely have few money if you needed to pirate it
I did not Pirate it but many others like to.

I do have "few money" but I will not Pirate software like many do.

I would hate to be sent to Siberia as you seem to like it.
http://digitalculture-ed.net/saraht/2009/10/08/cyberia-siberia-the-mighty-boosh
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hermite15 on September 23, 2010, 10:20:11 PM


I found IE9 to be a little faster and stable than IE8, but nothing surprising...



nothing surprising ;D ...you must be either kidding or you forgot to plugin the pump on your watercooled thing :D
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 24, 2010, 05:09:22 AM
aero support only matters for UI related animations, as to hardware acceleration, as long as Vista SP2 introduces DX11, I can't see any reason why IE9 wouldn't be supported on Vista basic...even if yes...basic should suck ;D
If it needs DX11, which I haven't seen that it does, she's out of luck anyway since the graphics chip only supports up to DX9. It's called Nvidia GeForce 7050 and is integrated on the motherboard.
Dch48 have you tried going to the nvidia site to download the latest updates for your geforce 7050, i just checked there site and you are able to update to the latest  that im running which is the 256 to 260 version which will allow you to run dx11.
There is no way to make a graphics chip run a higher version of DX then it was designed for. It it's a DX9 max capable, that's it, it will not support a higher version. You could install DX 11 and even drivers that are compatible with DX 11 but if the chip is only capable of DX9, that's what you will default to.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Dch48 on September 24, 2010, 05:24:55 AM
Hi YoKenny,

XP SP3 is several years old and in computer development that is a heck of a time, MS decided to go on with Vista and Windows7 (why you have to ask them) that have a completely different and more complete security structure that never became implimented in XP SP3. For those still on XP there are ways to make it more secure, our mutual friend, m416, and I, have discussed this form of mitigation, it makes XP more secure "by heaps". With Windows 98SecondEdition we had a similar situation and the only unofficial service pack that was ever developed for it (brought USB service to Win98 etc.) came from a Turkish developer. I ran it and it was not bad, and then Win98 equaled ME,  The intermediant OS ME played a bit of the role Vista plays now, but I agree if your purse or your boss do not dictate you to go on using XP, Windows 7 has many advantages (and XP because of the security it has is more malware prone than Windows7) and these are facts,

polonus
I could use USB on my 98SE machine with no problems. By the time 98 ended it's life time, many of it's core files were actually from ME, NT, and 2000. It was a mongrel under the hood if you took the time to look at the properties of the files after Windows updates got applied.  In computer terms, XP is obsolete, but so is a '63 split window coupe Corvette. If it still runs and does the job and can be patched up, it's not dead yet. I still say that even though IE9 will not be available for XP, some of it's core that can run in XP may be applied to IE8 via updates.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: 13thSlayer on September 24, 2010, 07:19:03 AM
Measuring a few browsers around, I have to say that IE (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/default.aspx)9 does run better than IE8. Nothing else about it. Firefox (http://firefox.com) is my everlasting browser of choice, but it's only good at more or less acceptable computers - it's hungry as heck on the CPU. Chrome (http://chrome.google.com) is fast, standard-compliant but not feature-rich enough, it's a pure WTF to a new user. If you can get used to it, lucky you. Konqueror (http://konqueror.org) is doing well, but I don't like it generally, hard to get Flash working with it (if possible at all). Opera (http://opera.com) does well enough, but it has too many features most of which are useless. That's all I've to say about browser. A few words about OSes: Windows (http://windows.com) 7 is epic, the best Windows so far, great job compared to Vista, but too hungry on the RAM and HD space. XP is still doing well. Mac OS X (http://www.apple.com/macosx/) is fine but I don't like it, not my style, altough it looks amazingly nice. Ubuntu (http://ubuntu.com) has turned into something ridiculous, Fedora (http://fedoraproject.org) 13 won't even boot anymore (F12 did do fine for me). SUSE (http://opensuse.org) is being weird with sound, otherwise fine. LinuxMint (http://linuxmint.com) is what Ubuntu is supposed to be, generally, and is my current OS, alongside with WinXP.
Man, that was a long message.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on September 24, 2010, 08:20:47 AM
YoKenny,
The first part of you statement is correct. The happily part is debatable.
Remember that ignorance is bliss and once informed of the many benefits of Win 7,
the choice is obvious.  
Unfortunately the financial ability to upgrade isn't always possible.
Sadly m416 must be in a 3rd world country as he has many trolls looking over his shoulder and probably a Crybaby:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/crybaby.htm

He continues to post Rubish
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=63974.msg543002#msg543002

Oh i post rubbish huh ? Then what do you post ? Nuclear troll garbage ? You know Kenny for a man your age it's funny how you act like a 5yr old kid without a candy. You are a troll and a man with serious mental problems. You should seek some professional assistance.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: Onix on September 24, 2010, 09:34:21 AM
Opera (http://opera.com) does well enough, but it has too many features most of which are useless...
Which are disabled by default ;) And if you don't want to use them, just don't turn them on.

I would hate to be sent to Siberia as you seem to like it.
http://digitalculture-ed.net/saraht/2009/10/08/cyberia-siberia-the-mighty-boosh
Siberia is a great region, especially when you live near lake Baikal ;) There are very beautiful places here.  
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: 13thSlayer on September 24, 2010, 01:32:47 PM
He continues to post Rubish

Sadly, you continue doing it too
Sadly I do not have access to cheap Russian Vodka so I will continue. ;)

A typical Russian having a good time.

Using pirated XP SP2 ::)

˙ʍou ɟʇʍ ˙ɯnɹoɟ ɐ ƃuıןןoɹʇ oƃ ʇ,uop ןoɥoɔןɐ oʇ ssǝɔɔɐ ou ǝʌɐɥ noʎ ɟı ˙˙˙ɥsǝǝɥs ˙˙˙ǝsuǝsuou ɟo pɐoן ɐ ʇɐɥʍ
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on September 24, 2010, 02:53:17 PM
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Microsoft Says IE9 Beta Demand 'Pretty Overwhelming'
By Kevin McLaughlin, CRN  7:16 PM EST Tue. Sep. 21, 2010

Microsoft (NSDQ:MSFT) expected Internet Explorer 9 to be popular, but after more than two million people downloaded the IE9 beta in the first two days after its release, the software giant is having a hard time choosing which eye-popping statistics to cite.
Microsoft says its "Beauty of the Web" site, which illustrates the aesthetic advantages of IE9's support for HTML5 and hardware acceleration, has had more the 9 million visits and 26 million page views since the IE9 beta launch on Sept. 15. Microsoft's developer-oriented IE Test Drive Site has had 4 million page views during the same period.

All of this has apparently exceeded Microsoft's expectations for how things would play out with the IE9 beta. "The initial reaction has been pretty overwhelming, and we are very humbled by the response our customers have had," said Roger Capriotti, director of marketing for Internet Explorer, in a blog post Monday.
http://www.crn.com/news/applications-os/227500389/microsoft-says-ie9-beta-demand-pretty-overwhelming.htm;jsessionid=RJ8G2cHewJsftPGWWQXQ-g**.ecappj02
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: bob3160 on September 24, 2010, 04:01:50 PM
Would be nice if I could get it to run on my main system. All it ever does is crash, restart, crash and mess up the rest of the system.  :'(
Working fine on another desktop system and my laptop.  ??? ???
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: nobility on September 24, 2010, 05:22:50 PM
It would appear that Microsoft will be dropping support for XP soon if IE9 doesn't work on XP. Yoo bad because XP is still used tremendously!

 :-[
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: polonus on September 24, 2010, 06:01:57 PM
Hi 13thSlayer,

I also have Fx 4.0 on my computer and I like the Mozilla browser with NoScript, RequestPolicy and various other add-ons I use, but after my Flock Mozilla type (without geo-location) crashed, I wanted to try how far I could go adjusting security for, and set GoogleChrome to my likings and I think I came quite some way with the following extensions. Click&Clean (you know it from Mozilla) for Chrome, AdBlock with some special blocklists applied, Ghostery to view and block commercial - and other trackers, AdThwart (because you can block on the fly) and the extension is additional to Adblock's, Better Pop up Blocker, NotScripts, the easier to handle NoScript equivalent for Chrome, that just has some Java hick-ups, which are compensated by FlashBlock and NOREF. SecBrowsing to watch over the update status of all browser plug-ins, and I like what I experience there, gonna find more and analyze with Fiddler what is going round under the browser hood (works like a charm under Chrome),
So my conclusions the GoogleChrome that could not be tweaked and came without adjustable extensions a la default is long, long history, my friends, and if the Windows OS allowed it to work to the full capacity of it's javascript clockwork, everybody would like it best, only issue you have to store your extension settings somewhere on your machine to restore at once after total silent uploads of the browser, i.e. for the personal password settings of the NotScripts extension, you could even install GoogleAlarm to watch the Google tracking moments (could block these issues now as well). I try to restore my personal Flock special on Vista, but what I experience with GoogleChrome is not bad, not bad at all, it is still on my desktop and has a nice SuperMan theme, try it out and remember - GoogleChrome has not been hacked in hacker contests so far....

your friend,

Damian
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: DavidR on September 24, 2010, 06:13:00 PM
It would appear that Microsoft will be dropping support for XP soon if IE9 doesn't work on XP. Yoo bad because XP is still used tremendously!

 :-[

IE9 has nothing to do with XP Support, which is in the extended support cycle and ends in April 2014.

It just means you can't install IE9 if you have XP, no big loss to me I haven't used IE as my default/primary browser for many years and I can't see that happening any time soon.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: polonus on September 24, 2010, 06:21:57 PM
Hi DavidR,

I agree with you with what you say about XP and IE, I would install IE8 on XP SP3 at any rate, because of security issues and implications for the rest of the OS. The use of a mitigation tool like EMET bringing in the new security features of Vista and Windows7 could be a very welcome thing for those that postpone the mitigation to Windows7 for whatever reason.
Another related issue is that MS like us users to mitigate and would welcome the urge to do so, especiallyvas a lot of firms are hesitant, because of apps compatibility or just money-wise.
But as a lot of users go clicking on a la default with the now obsolete XP and have not upgraded to XP SP3 or did nothing to bring in the newer Windows security features to XP, they then will be prone to more and more malware and hacks in the foreseeable future, no doubt about that,

polonus
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: MAG on October 16, 2010, 08:38:37 PM
I have been trying IE9. I normally use FF + noscript + linkextend, but I use one website that just won't work with FF.

I was looking for a fix for a minor IE8 problem, and MS were pushing IE9 beta on the same page - so I tried it.

It seems nice to use, and quick, but even in very limited use I have come across two fairly significant (for me) issues.

(1) It won't load BBC site weather maps (possibly one of the most popular UK websites)

(2) It won't load Trusteer Rapport (pushed by many bank and credit card sites as a necessary security feature).

Given that beta for MS probably means tens of millions of users, I am a bit surprised they've gone from the platform development version to public beta with issues of this type. I'll uninstall and go back to IE8 for my one FF problem site.

(my FF problem site is the UK government savings scheme - so maybe FF just can't believe that anyone trying to invest money with the UK government by debit card hasn't been the victim of a scam!)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: DavidR on October 16, 2010, 09:45:40 PM
What is the URL I can have a look and see if it also affects me ?
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: YoKenny on October 16, 2010, 10:19:07 PM
I have been trying IE9. I normally use FF + noscript + linkextend, but I use one website that just won't work with FF.

(my FF problem site is the UK government savings scheme - so maybe FF just can't believe that anyone trying to invest money with the UK government by debit card hasn't been the victim of a scam!)
Maybe that FF + noscript is flawed ???
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: bob3160 on October 16, 2010, 10:26:19 PM
I have been trying IE9. I normally use FF + noscript + linkextend, but I use one website that just won't work with FF.

(my FF problem site is the UK government savings scheme - so maybe FF just can't believe that anyone trying to invest money with the UK government by debit card hasn't been the victim of a scam!)
Maybe that FF + noscript is flawed ???
Please stop fishing for trouble.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: MAG on October 17, 2010, 02:37:27 PM
@DavidR
Thanks for the offer to help - it's nsandi.com (I'm not keen on full links - you never know what sort of place they get you to - hence my use of linkextend).

To get to the problem though you'd have to first set up an account, log in, then try to add money to your account by debit card - so don't feel obliged! The problem is that the mastercard secure/VbyV authorisation page never appears after entry of card details.

It works fine on IE8 - it's just a shame that there isn't a Noscript for IE (and the linkextend add-on for IE isn't much good). I have reported the problem to NS+I (who didn't really seem to believe it).

@YoKenny
Thanks, but it happens with Noscript disabled too. I have read of Noscript reloading of pages after permissions are changed causing card service sites to fail though.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: DavidR on October 17, 2010, 03:26:02 PM
Well I have been able to use the "mastercard secure/VbyV authorisation page" in the course of on-line shopping at a number of sites without problem, so I don't know if this is specific to that site only.
Has it ever worked on this site ?
Have you ever used it (mastercard secure/VbyV authorisation) in another on-line shopping site where it worked ?

You're right setting up an account to test it is a step too far for me ;D

Do you also use any other security based add-ons in firefox ?
I also use RequestPolicy, prevents cross site scripting and that can get in the way at times so for on=line shopping sites, etc. I have to watch where they are trying to connect to and authorise only those required for shopping and processing, not adverts and google-analyetics, etc. etc.

Have you tried reporting it to the site, that doesn't work with firefox as it represents over 20% with some reporting around 24% depending on whose stats you use and if it is geographical for UK. So a good deal of their customers/potential customers could be using it.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: MAG on October 17, 2010, 05:01:41 PM
mastercard secure/VbyV authorisation page works fine for me too with FF in every other site that needs it.

The only other browser security app I have had is Trusteer Rapport - but I have that in IE too.

I have reported the problem to the site a few months ago. No change as of today.

Using IE8 for this one site isn't really a problem.

(I am trying out RequestPolicy now - looks like a good addition to browser security/privacy.)
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: DavidR on October 17, 2010, 05:35:40 PM
mastercard secure/VbyV authorisation page works fine for me too with FF in every other site that needs it.
<snip>
I have reported the problem to the site a few months ago. No change as of today.
<snip>
(I am trying out RequestPolicy now - looks like a good addition to browser security/privacy.)

Certainly seems site specific, probably using proprietary code that doesn't comply with standards.

It is a useful add-on, but it as I said can be a pain when using on-line shopping and banking, as they have many legitimate cross site scripting requests. The difficult part is knowing what is legitimate and what even though legit isn't required, e.g. those that tracks (google-analytics) or are used to deliver adverts.
Title: Re: what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta
Post by: MAG on October 17, 2010, 09:57:57 PM
Something else I've noticed about IE9 - AIS script shield hasn't scanned a single item since I started playing with it (32bit). Web shield seems OK though.