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avast! and VirusTotal
« on: May 23, 2005, 12:23:55 PM »
http://www.virustotal.com

Have Alwil guys thought about VirusTotal? This service is similar to Jotti and it appears to be used widely. I guess it would be nice to participate on that service too (to obtain even more samples). Unlike Jotti,VirusTotal uses Windows version of antivirus.
Good way to widely test your avast! engine under Windows environment.
AntiVir and AVG are already there,but i somehow miss avast!...
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2005, 12:33:04 PM »
It's being worked on.

Well I have my own concerns about these multi-engine services anyway... :-\
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2005, 12:36:15 PM »
Like tweaking malware to hide from scanners? It's possible,but i doubt they'll target avast!. At least not for quiet some time...
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2005, 12:58:55 PM »
No, nothing like that.
What I meant is that some not-necessarily-trusted folks (such as the Spanish owner of virustotal.com) gather tens of thousands of malware samples - more or less for free...
Such collections can be misused.
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2005, 01:00:47 PM »
Oh,that reason...
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2005, 01:37:16 PM »
that's why i think Jotti is more reliable :) ...
(some maybe remember Jotti was at start providing sourcecode for his package and it got missused and he stop it (sad))
thousands pieces of malware can be good trade article when u think about ...
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2005, 02:21:55 PM »
Exactly... there has been a lot of discussion about this in the professional AV circles (namely about VirusTotal).
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2005, 02:49:00 PM »
Hm,so VirusTotal is questionable? Should i remove link to it from my webpage?
We still have Jotti afterall...
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2005, 02:52:31 PM »
Frankly, I don't know...
It's run by some guys from Malaga, Spain (this is their page: http://www.hispasec.com/ )... There're some concerns about their trustworthiness - but I guess we can't change anything about that, whereas avast is included in their arsenal or not..

Anyway, as I said, we're in contact with them on implementing avast in their scanner.

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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2005, 02:59:44 PM »
Yeah,that was my thought too. avast! won't make any difefrence,but since you will participate you'll gather samples anyway. Better this than nothing.
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2005, 09:35:29 PM »
Ok, I'm paranoid... but I don't like this idea of the online scanners: I make all it is possible to be safe and keep my pc like a "ghost" when I'm online, so I don't trust in unknown "free" (?) services. Nothing is free. I think so.  ::)
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2005, 10:20:06 PM »
Dear Mr. Kamulko,

There is on line scanners and on line scanners of course, like there are reliable software and not so reliable software. I think in the antivrus world, we do not as yet have the anti-spyware situation, where you have to establish at first hand whether you do not download rogue anti-spyware or genuine scumware, taking spyware from you machine on the one hand, and putting spyware as a LSP insert back. Do you really mean to say my friend that we should not use the free on line scanners from the bigger companies? They collect stats, all right, but anything else...? What is your feeling on that, Kamulko?

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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2005, 10:29:13 PM »
Hi, friend Polonus! I wrote only about the websites of multiscanners. Obviously, I trust in the single brand online scans: I used these services by McAfee, Norton, Trend Micro and Panda. But I have my doubts because they use the dangerous ActiveX Controls. The second doubt concerns the real efficiency of this method: all of us know that the most deep and credible result in scanning is obtained before the OS is running. This is the sense of the scan at reboot. Ciao! :)
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2005, 10:30:39 PM »
Quote from: Kamulko! on May 23, 2005, 09:35:29 PM
Ok, I'm paranoid... but I don't like this idea of the online scanners: I make all it is possible to be safe and keep my pc like a "ghost" when I'm online, so I don't trust in unknown "free" (?) services. Nothing is free. I think so. ::)
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Re: avast! and VirusTotal
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2005, 10:39:54 PM »
Hi Kamulko,


I totally agree that defending the boot is very important as a defense line against viruses. Very informing is this tutorial. You can find it here: http://www.softpanorama.org/Antivirus/AV_Secrets/bootvir.shtml
It is I think very informative to our forum members as well 8).
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