I run cc cleaner after every instance of going online. Downloaded and ran both of the programs above ( after updating), nothing detected. Also shut down system restore, rebooted, etc. As soon as I log online, it pops up right away. Never had this problem with avast before, not until this morning. In 5 minutes of online time, ,it's poped up maybe 6 times. I delete it, it pops right back up. I move it to the vault, it pops right back, I delete my temp internet files, it pops right back up. I've made no changes to my system, no new programs, files, , etc. Time for a better antivirus program I guess, sure can't work like this...Btw, I'm not a newbie to computers by any means.