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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2012, 01:08:45 PM »
An "unkown" force has deleted my poll. Well, you can't expect "evangelists" to respect criticism from their users.

Let's bring up another issue. Is the connection encrypted? Can Avast see the traffic in clear text? Would the remote assistance be safe from intercepting?

You needn't answer, as the answer is likely: No - Yes - No


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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2012, 01:14:52 PM »
An "unkown" force has deleted my poll. Well, you can't expect "evangelists" to respect criticism from their users.

Let's bring up another issue. Is the connection encrypted? Can Avast see the traffic in clear text? Would the remote assistance be safe from intercepting?

You needn't answer, as the answer is likely: No - Yes - No
Amazing, first you post a question with a headline unrelated to your actual question.
Now, you answer your own questions in fear of not getting the answers you'd like to hear.  ;D


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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2012, 01:17:55 PM »
Including remote assistance capabilities != an invasion of privacy
For sure not. If you do not trust avast! company and its seriousness about security and privacy, maybe it would be better think in another antivirus...

Including the option to set up an account to manage devices != an invasion of privacy
Absolutely not. It's a service that would help users with more than one installation, business, mobile users (that could use Anti-Theft options by internet and not only by SMS).
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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2012, 01:19:56 PM »
I couldn't use my usual TeamViewer
Why not?
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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2012, 01:26:42 PM »
Is the connection encrypted?
Yes.

Can Avast see the traffic in clear text?
No. It depends on the assistance ticket both parts exchanged.

Would the remote assistance be safe from intercepting?
Yes. Like any other break on the HTTPS connection.

Indoctor, you're making FUD.
You're making wrong assumptions.
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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2012, 01:32:29 PM »
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Amazing, first you post a question with a headline unrelated to your actual question.
Now, you answer your own questions in fear of not getting the answers you'd like to hear.  ;D

This just keeps getting better and better.

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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2012, 01:44:57 PM »
An "unkown" force has deleted my poll. Well, you can't expect "evangelists" to respect criticism from their users.

Let's bring up another issue. Is the connection encrypted? Can Avast see the traffic in clear text? Would the remote assistance be safe from intercepting?

You needn't answer, as the answer is likely: No - Yes - No

Well i am one of those who reported about ur 'poll'
I shall be direct. it is spreading misinformation to the less technical ppl, creating unnecessary alarm.
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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2012, 01:51:09 PM »
dude remote assistance in avast... the code can only be used on one computer and not several.. furthermore you must have permission to allow remote access... and if you dont like the remote assistance feature.... just exclude it from install :) or dont use it

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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #68 on: February 25, 2012, 02:09:37 PM »
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Amazing, first you post a question with a headline unrelated to your actual question.
Now, you answer your own questions in fear of not getting the answers you'd like to hear.  ;D

This just keeps getting better and better.

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We are waiting for you to change the title of this thread.

What would YOU suggest? Make my day.


Your own words:
"Anyway, you're missing the point. It's not about the INSTALL, it's about when doing the update WITH THE AVAST UI, it installs the full package. There's NO WAY AFTERWARDS to alter it except if you're ADMIN, and NOT ALL users administer their computers themselves/have access to that account!!!"
So the title should reflect your complaint about not being able to do a selective install when using the UI update feature.
And the so called poll that's listed is total garbage and totally unrelated with out any real choices.
Hope that makes it clear.
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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #69 on: February 25, 2012, 02:21:12 PM »
Remote Assistance in avast! is a P2P (Peer to peer) feature. The authentication code is only used to make the handshake. After that, encrypted connection is established directly between two computers. avast! servers will allow activation of 1 code just once. After it has been connected, no one can reuse it again (at least not in the very close future). And when it possible might be reused, both clients will be very different so it doesn't matter anymore.

As for the poll removal, who cares? It was stupid anyway. If avast! team wanted to cover up anything, this thread would be gone altogether. But it's still here. There is no conspiracy behind this feature. It's very fool proof, secure and useful.
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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #70 on: February 25, 2012, 02:57:11 PM »
Hallo All!

I'm a developer responsible for the Avast Remote Assistance (ARA) component, then I'll try to reply some of your questions about the ARA security.

The security of the ARA component has been one of the major requirements during the component development process.

We are using strong cryptography methods (SSL to establish a session and verify the ARA server identity and AES 256 to protect the Remote desktop data transfers) to keep users secure.

At first, when the request for the ARA session is created, the Avast! workstation initiate the SSL connection to the ARA server and verify the server certificate, if it belongs to the ARA subsystem. It protect users against fake servers, which can be used by attacker to hijack the  ARA session (Man in the Middle).

Server generates the ARA ticket, which is delivered by the SSL connection to the user (Assistance Requester).The SSL connection keeps alive during this time.

Now, the ticket is delivered to the Assistance Requester and ARA server is waiting for second connection from Assistance Provider.

The Assistance Requester have to deliver the Assistance ticket to other side (Assistance Provider) to allow second user to connect to his computer and establish full remote assistance session.

Here is on user responsibility to deliver the ticket securely to other side. Avast! cannot take any responsibility if the ticket will be stolen  during the transfer. We recommend to use cellular phone, or encrypted e-mail (PGP for example) or SKYPE message or call (Skype is using strong encryption to protect session communication) to do this. Use ICQ or normal e-mail message for example is not recommended, because any e-mail can be sniffed by attacker on any part of the e-mail path.


The ARA component is as secure as secure is the Assistance ticket! Choose the communication channel which you really TRUST!

When the ticket is delivered to the Assistance Provider, then he uses the ticket to establish the full ARA session. Mechanism is same -> use SSL connection to verify the ARA server and protect the communication, then send the ticket by this secure connection to the ARA server

When ticket is verified and both SSL connections from both user are paired on the server, then both sides goes to establish new data connections which carry the Remote desktop data. These data are shifted from one connection to other by the ARA server, but in encrypted (AES 256)form. The encryption keys are randomly generated and delivered to both sides of connection by established SSL connections, and then is granted that those keys cannot be stolen by a third party.

Due this, the Remote desktop data can be only decrypted by Assistance Requestor / Provider workstations and by ARA server proxy, but no one else.

I have to notice that encryption keys are visible for ARA server, because it works as proxy between both sides of the ARA session. Avast! will never decrypt any kind of communication belongs to any ARA session!

As somebody mentioned here, if you do not trust to AVAST!, do not use this piece of software.

If a data connection will be "stolen" or redirected by an atacker, then is not possible to use this connection for access to the Requester workstation, because the connection will deliver only binary noise to attacker -> the encryption keys are never transmitted in unencrypted form.

Additionally, the Remote Desktop server on the Assistance Requester side is started only when the Provider will initiate the session, and it  listen only on localhost interface and on random port , then is not possible to connect on this server from outside.

All ARA connections are initiated from AVAST! workstations, then security of those connections is same as for example your web browser SSL secured connections or SSH sessions to your servers...

ARA doesn't use any server listening on Avast! workstations. It is provided on ARA servers, which are hardened and monitored by AVAST! IT profesionals.

I believe that this post help to understand the ARA principles of work and explain how the ARA security is implemented.

Of course, if you have any additional questions, let us to know, ad we will try to answer it ASAP.

Zdenek
« Last Edit: February 27, 2012, 10:36:45 AM by Zdenek »

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Re: Unite against REMOTE AVAST SECURITY BREACH
« Reply #71 on: February 25, 2012, 03:04:51 PM »
Well FINALLY. Couldn't you be this transparent from the beginning? Provide this information together with the new feature? Would have saved a lot of trouble.

Remaining questions:

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Do you mean connect it with your avast account?  It look(ed|s) to me that once configured avast would automatically report statistics (to avast servers), report existing configuration (to avast servers), and accept configuration changes (from avast servers).  Which would be semi or pseudo related to Remote Assistance as it is also a type of remote control feature.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 03:14:52 PM by Indoctor »

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Re: ARA Security Considerations
« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2012, 03:20:51 PM »
ARA is not using AVAST! account. Connections are anonymous, the ticket is generated randomly (to prevent possibility to guess the ticket value by attacker).

ARA doesn't collect any data about user.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 03:32:44 PM by Zdenek »

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Re: ARA Security Considerations
« Reply #73 on: February 25, 2012, 03:35:31 PM »
"Well FINALLY. "
Are you now ready to change the title of this thread ???  :)
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Re: ARA Security Considerations
« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2012, 03:36:35 PM »
@Zdenek

Thank you very much for the concise information.  It should dispel the paranoia surrounding this feature. 8)

Will the requester be able to copy/paste the Assistance ticket from the interface to enter into an encrypted message?  Will it be reasonably small enough that it may be quoted verbally over a phone to the remote assistant?

I do wonder why anyone would run a security program that they don't trust. :o
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