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Title: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: dkeat on October 12, 2008, 08:13:22 PM
Greetings,

I am just wondering if there is any purpose in having and running Windows Defender if one is using the avast! product. I would like to remove it if it serves no further purpose.

Thanks,

Dave
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: Lisandro on October 12, 2008, 08:41:22 PM
Well... Microsoft makes the disabling of Windows Defender a little odd... it's also embedded into the Security Center. But since first releases of Windows Defender I never saw any activity from it, I mean, everything were handled by the antivirus (avast) and NOT by Windows Defender that seems to do nothing...
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: dkeat on October 12, 2008, 08:57:11 PM
Hello again my Brazilian friend.

Not sure what you mean. Windows Defender, a I use it, is an application. You start it up and it scans for spyware. There is also a component that is installed with Windows Live Messenger that scans IM files, etc.

After I read your post I got curious and looked in the Control Panel to see if it was there as an unistallable application. It isn't.

If it can't be uninstalled, then I guess I have to rephrase my question. I CAN turn off regular scanning and just leave it there on the pc. That is, if it isn't doing anything useful.

Dave
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: Lisandro on October 12, 2008, 09:05:09 PM
Not sure what you mean. Windows Defender, a I use it, is an application.
It's a resident, it runs in background, using computer resources for nothing... It runs as a service (automatically started by default).

I CAN turn off regular scanning and just leave it there on the pc. That is, if it isn't doing anything useful.
You can, your choice.
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: dkeat on October 12, 2008, 09:17:26 PM
Well okay. Thanks.
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: YoKenny on October 12, 2008, 10:35:42 PM
I like Windows Defender because it notifies me of a modification to my HOSTS file.

It also notifies me that MBAM is trying to modify C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\mbamswissarmy.sys when I run a Quick scan that I permit.
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: Marc57 on October 12, 2008, 10:46:48 PM
In my opinion, I would leave it on, I've had it catch things that Avast missed.
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: Lisandro on October 12, 2008, 11:34:02 PM
In my opinion, I would leave it on, I've had it catch things that Avast missed.
Well... I would pay to see that... it never happened to me, never... ::)
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: jadinolf on October 13, 2008, 12:12:40 AM
In my opinion, I would leave it on, I've had it catch things that Avast missed.
Same here so I would keep it.
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: YoKenny on October 13, 2008, 01:23:27 AM
In my opinion, I would leave it on, I've had it catch things that Avast missed.
Well... I would pay to see that... it never happened to me, never... ::)
Modify the HOSTS file and see if avast! complains.
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: timcan on October 13, 2008, 01:59:51 AM
 [/quote] Modify the HOSTS file and see if avast! complains.
[/quote]

Hi, :)  that's not the job for an antivirus,is it?
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: wyrmrider on October 13, 2008, 05:02:07 AM
Windows Defender
I do not use it with W98 however
if not windows Defender what?
It does pop up if something tries to install something
or modify the registry
which is nice to know

The scanner my not be as cutting edge as it was when it was Giant Anti Spyware but neither is Ad-Aware
but that's not the point
show me a good alternative first before removing the real time protection
t-timer?
Spyware Terminator?
Spyware doctor free?
Do'nt throw the baby out with the bathwater
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: Marc57 on October 13, 2008, 06:21:34 AM
In my opinion, I would leave it on, I've had it catch things that Avast missed.
Well... I would pay to see that... it never happened to me, never... ::)


Tech, I downloaded a file that was infected, Defender caught it, I then turned off defender to see if Avast would see it, It didn't.  I then moved it to the chest and sent it to Alwil. This was about a month ago.

BTW, Avast now sees the file as infected.
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: Lisandro on October 13, 2008, 04:57:36 PM
Tech, I downloaded a file that was infected, Defender caught it, I then turned off defender to see if Avast would see it, It didn't.  I then moved it to the chest and sent it to Alwil. This was about a month ago.
Can you send me a link to that file by IM?
I wish I could even test what Defender is doing in my computer...
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: Metalhead85 on October 23, 2008, 09:33:14 PM
It's never detected a thing..but scince i installed it i'm clean..i guess it never got a real test..but i actually like how it analyzes the running programs and startup programs..i use it instead of task manager to know more about running tasks.
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: YoKenny on October 24, 2008, 12:01:46 AM
It's never detected a thing..but scince i installed it i'm clean..i guess it never got a real test..but i actually like how it analyzes the running programs and startup programs..i use it instead of task manager to know more about running tasks.
If you have a HOSTS file and you try to modify it or if malware tries to alter it then Defender will let you know right away.

HOSTS files I use:
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download

Managed with HostsMan and I use its HostsServer proxy to speed up browsing:
http://www.abelhadigital.com
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: Metalhead85 on October 24, 2008, 02:12:30 AM
Thanks for the tip yokenny ..i'll sure use that tool..sounds cool..
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: Arup on October 24, 2008, 07:22:09 AM
Only sad thing is that Defender doesn't block the change and if you are running it under as limited user, you would have to go to the admin account to allow the changes.
Title: Re: Windows Defender Still Needed?
Post by: adi_dmj on October 29, 2008, 04:41:58 PM
this time I am not running windows defender after clean install of every thing
mine is avst 4.8 home , xp sp3, CFP 3.025.378

ya defender is very good in detecting viruses presents in zip file while UR AV may fail, however it has difficulty in quarntine and cant remove any thing .( my experience is with virus only not with spyware)

regars

adi