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Title: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: End_User on August 16, 2012, 03:45:22 AM
Program Version: 7.0.1456
Definition Version: 120814-1
Windows-7 Ultimate (64-bit)

Enclosed/Attached please find the following files:

-Avast_Version_Information.png -- Screen-Shot
-Avast_UPdate_Settings.png -- Screen-Shot
- Below are log entries evidencing Avast phoning home while the UPdate settings are set to manual.

We have our Avast set to 'not' automatically update, but rather , to 'manually update'. Why is Avast continuing to reach out to the avast servers using both post and get methods while the program is set to 'not' automatically update?

We need Avast to not, (for any reason) contact the mother-ship(s) until we left click 'update' --without blocking the connection using a firewall. Please assist us in accomplishing our goal.

LOG ENTRIES:
No.   Time   Source   Destination   Protocol   Info
32   08/14/2012 21:00:50   MY.IP   72.5.58.117   HTTP   POST /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM  HTTP/1.1  (application/x-enc)

14859   08/15/2012 0:15:49   MY.IP   72.5.58.118   HTTP   POST /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM  HTTP/1.1  (application/x-enc)

48681   08/15/2012 3:30:05   MY.IP   72.5.58.117   HTTP   POST /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM  HTTP/1.1  (application/x-enc)

327098   08/15/2012 6:43:55   MY.IP   72.5.58.115   HTTP   POST /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM  HTTP/1.1  (application/x-enc)

333037   08/15/2012 8:03:57   MY.IP   208.43.33.110   HTTP   GET /files/emupdate/patches.ini HTTP/1.1

344541   08/15/2012 9:57:43   MY.IP   72.5.58.116   HTTP   POST /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM  HTTP/1.1  (application/x-enc)

463639   08/15/2012 11:51:36   MY.IP   72.5.58.117   HTTP   POST /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM  HTTP/1.1  (application/x-enc)

464810   08/15/2012 12:00:00   MY.IP   72.5.58.117   HTTP   POST /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM  HTTP/1.1  (application/x-enc)

472347   08/15/2012 13:11:17   MY.IP   72.5.58.118   HTTP   POST /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM  HTTP/1.1  (application/x-enc)

472688   08/15/2012 13:13:06   MY.IP   72.5.58.115   HTTP   GET /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM HTTP/1.1

472726   08/15/2012 13:13:30   MY.IP   72.5.58.115   HTTP   GET /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM HTTP/1.1

472812   08/15/2012 13:14:28   MY.IP   199.189.105.116   HTTP   GET /files/emupdate/patches.ini HTTP/1.1

486891   08/15/2012 16:25:49   MY.IP   72.5.58.117   HTTP   POST /F/AAEv_0jmugtO4JHHshJz2oaM  HTTP/1.1  (application/x-enc)

Respectfully ...
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: Lisandro on August 16, 2012, 05:08:20 PM
The interface have changeable information, the community options also, there are the streaming updates also...
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: DavidR on August 16, 2012, 05:20:11 PM
I believe that the streaming updates require that the virus definitions updates are set to Auto, so that 'shouldn't' be it. Though I'm at a loss as to what it might be.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: End_User on August 16, 2012, 05:44:13 PM
Seriously, is this not a concern?

We can understand the ads may generate traffic when you have the UI open, but that is not the case. We have Avast minimized to the tray icon, with all updates off --and for whatever reason Free.Avast polls the Avast servers periodically with 'GET' and 'POST' transactions --without asking/prompting.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: DavidR on August 16, 2012, 06:20:45 PM
It is, but as an avast user I have no idea why this is happening if auto updates are off.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: Vlk on August 16, 2012, 09:34:54 PM
This is the file reputation (cloud scanning) system. It's a key part of the innovations introduced in avast v7 (and, seriously, it is saving tens of thousands of our users from malware every day).

If you're uncomfortable with it though, you're of course free to disable it. Summary -> Cloud Services -> Settings -> uncheck "Enable reputation services" (I'm not sure but the changes may not become effective until after the next reboot).

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: polonus on August 16, 2012, 10:03:34 PM
I am on Vlk's side here.
I would strongly advise against disabling it,
as it forrms such a vital part of the user's protection.
Plus the data that are exchanged are thoroughly encrypted.
Working a browser, you will find that what you exchange
with third parties is much more critical and often goes raw over the wire...
plus everyone accept this as a given fact, and no one complains...
One should trust an av-solution for what it does. No more no less.
Some in the States are blowing Privacy Protection out of proportion,
and not only in the States, and sometimes this gets blown up like a
"Great American Privacy Violators Hunt" i.m.h.o.

polonus
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: Lisandro on August 16, 2012, 10:20:48 PM
Thanks Vlk for remembering us how important are the cloud features.
Please, users, keep it on and help the community protection.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: End_User on August 16, 2012, 10:40:43 PM
This is the file reputation (cloud scanning) system. It's a key part of the innovations introduced in avast v7 (and, seriously, it is saving tens of thousands of our users from malware every day).

If you're uncomfortable with it though, you're of course free to disable it. Summary -> Cloud Services -> Settings -> uncheck "Enable reputation services" (I'm not sure but the changes may not become effective until after the next reboot).

Thanks
Vlk

This is good information to know (Thank you). We will admit, We did not know what to search for in the Avast-7 help system or the forum(s) other than "phone home", to find out what was allowing/triggering this traffic between Avast-7 and the Avast.Servers/hosts.

We will research further by disabling [Summary -> Cloud Services -> Settings -> uncheck "Enable reputation services"], in addition to disabling 'all' updates --while continue to monitor the traffic between the Avast-7 client and the hosts its speaking with.

We will provide the results (here) for anyone who is interested.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: Vlk on August 16, 2012, 11:05:12 PM
Sure thing.

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: bob3160 on August 17, 2012, 12:13:13 AM
Sure thing.

Thanks
Vlk
@End_User

I personally am interested in finding out how to get more protection. I'm not really interested in how to get less.  :o
Turning off the cloud protection and auto-updates including the streaming updates seriously impacts the protection
we've finally gotten accustomed too.
It is however your computer so have fun.  ;)
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: CharleyO on August 17, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
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Wow, I never understand people who want to cripple their AV service to the point where the AV can not do it's job of complete protection. Using manual update leaves your computer much less protected in between those infrequent manual updates. Suppose you update manually each week, or for that matter, even daily. During that time between manual updates, your computer could easily become infected by new malware. Then, you will be blaming Avast for not protecting your computer. On the other hand, had you had automatic updating, which most often happens multiple times a day at various times adding new malware detections, your computer would most likely have been protected and would not have become infected.

And as Vlk also pointed out, file reputation is very much needed to protect your computer when surfing the web from site to site. And do not tell us you only visit safe sites. Because of today's malware, there is no such thing as a completely safe web site. Those so called 'safe web sites' are easily injected with malware that can not be seen when you visit the sites. You do not even have to click on anything on that web site you thought was safe. All you have to do is visit the web page and you are infected when you have crippled your AV.

Sure, go ahead and disable all those services that "contact the mother-ship(s)" and let us see how long you last.

Something to keep in mind -

When on-line, if you can not trust your AV service, then you can not trust anyone on-line ... nor should you be on-line at anytime.


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Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: colwarg on August 17, 2012, 03:29:50 AM
Wow, I never understand people who want to cripple their AV service to the point where the AV can not do it's job of complete protection.
There are people on the internet who do know how to change their own tire you know.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: CharleyO on August 17, 2012, 03:33:36 AM
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The analogy makes no sense at all.


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Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: colwarg on August 17, 2012, 03:41:11 AM
I have my updates set to happen every 16440 minutes because I know what I'm doing when browsing the internet.

Anything that I do download is from someplace I trust, if I didn't trust the site, I wouldn't be there.
If I do have to visit a site that I may not trust, I'll use Lynx.
I have reputation services disabled, and streaming updates disabled.
Despite that, I still find Avast blocking access to some really freshly made sites because the reputation of that site is untrusted, so apparently the status of the above is disregarded.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: Lisandro on August 17, 2012, 03:48:21 AM
I know what I'm doing when browsing the internet.
:)
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: bob3160 on August 17, 2012, 03:54:59 AM
There is a difference between reputation and infection.
Since it's impossible to tell by simply looking at a site which one is clean and which one is infected,
there is no such thing as "Safe Surfing". That's the job of your AV and if you cripple it, you're the one who is putting
yourself at risk.
As I've already said, It's Your Computer.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: colwarg on August 17, 2012, 04:04:07 AM
I don't want to cripple it, I want it to update when I tell it to update, and that's when I'm _NOT_ using the computer.

Which would be anytime after I go to bed.

So I would rather have avast preform updates at, say, 2am?
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: igor on August 17, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
I have my updates set to happen every 16440 minutes because I know what I'm doing when browsing the internet.

Even if you know what you are doing, how does that apply to the case then a site, which you browse every day, gets hacked and infected, invisibly installing some malicious code on your computer via a 0-day exploit in the OS, browser, or any of its helpers? You can be the biggest expert in the world and it wouldn't help you much here...

I have reputation services disabled, and streaming updates disabled.
Despite that, I still find Avast blocking access to some really freshly made sites because the reputation of that site is untrusted, so apparently the status of the above is disregarded.

The reputation is used only to display those colored icons if you have WebRep enabled, certainly not for detection/blocking.
So if avast! blocks a site for you (or anyone else for that matter), it's definitely unrelated to its reputation - it's because the site has been found infected.

I don't want to cripple it, I want it to update when I tell it to update, and that's when I'm _NOT_ using the computer.

Well, I understand what you are saying, but I'm afraid it doesn't make much sense for me - what's the point of having an updated antivirus when you're not using the computer?
The moments when you are using the computer, that's when you need to have it updated.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: CharleyO on August 17, 2012, 08:24:16 PM
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Thank you Tech, Bob, & igor!


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Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: End_User on August 18, 2012, 12:57:25 AM
To those who are not understanding what 'this' post is about -- it is about Avast (7) polling the server while updates are off. This post is not about 'our' reasons for doing so, which has nothing to do with protection

This is the file reputation (cloud scanning) system. It's a key part of the innovations introduced in avast v7 (and, seriously, it is saving tens of thousands of our users from malware every day).

If you're uncomfortable with it though, you're of course free to disable it. Summary -> Cloud Services -> Settings -> uncheck "Enable reputation services" (I'm not sure but the changes may not become effective until after the next reboot).

Thanks
Vlk

@VLK: We are continuing our research and have found that disabling 'reputation services' has slowed the polling down, while the polling continues at less intervals. Rather than us blindly disabling things, via trial and error, can you offer any other suggestion(s)/recommendations as to what to disable to stop the traffic while 'update' and 'reputation' are disabled?  --Currently with the aforementioned items disabled-- the polling has to do with "emupdate".

The polling is attemping to 'GET' (download) the 'emupdate' without prompting or notifying the user(s). We cannot find anything in the help file for 'emergency update' (emupdate) or what might be enabling/controlling this.  Given that none of our boxes which run Avast has 'emupdate' on the HDD's, we need to know 'what' from our Avast installs is polling the server with these 'GET' request for 'emupdate' without obvious documentation and notification to the machines users, that this is taking place --in addition to our original concern of the program polling with 'updates' and 'reputation' disabled.

There are times when we require our network to be entirely silent. We also like to be notified, or at least have documentation as to why a program is reaching out over our network; and a way to disable it should we need to do so.

Once again, this post is not about Avasts' ability to protect, it is about the network traffic generated by Avast (7).
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: DavidR on August 18, 2012, 01:21:48 AM
This is a relatively new feature - the avast! emergency update, is a scheduled task, but it shouldn't run that frequently (a couple of times a day I think), I know it runs shortly after boot on my system.

Avast! Emergency Update - see Vlk's brief explanation, http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=99540.msg794105#msg794105 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=99540.msg794105#msg794105).

And
The Repair function basically makes sure that everything is installed as it would be after a clean installation (let's say except for keeping the settings etc.)
Wheter it always succeeds or fail sometimes, is completely unrelated to this topic. First, we don't want to tell people "please navigate to Control Panel and invoke the Repair", and second this is meant for the hypothetical case of a bad (e.g. Virus definition) update being released that breaks things - and Repair wouldn't help there anyway, cause the virus definitions would be correctly installed, just would crash the program.
Or, the setup component itself might get broken - which contains both the updating and repair functionality.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: End_User on August 18, 2012, 02:01:03 AM
This is a relatively new feature - the avast! emergency update, is a scheduled task, but it shouldn't run that frequently (a couple of times a day I think), I know it runs shortly after boot on my system.

Avast! Emergency Update - see Vlk's brief explanation, http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=99540.msg794105#msg794105 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=99540.msg794105#msg794105).


@DavidR:
Thanks you. The Avast (7) install is polling/requesting, via http 'GET', to download 'emupdate' --it is not, as we understand it, 'emupdate' itself --unless, after reading VLK's explanation of the "Emergency Update (push) feature"--, 'emupdate' is a server-side process. If 'emupdate' is a server-side process (pushing), the user should very well have the option to turn the receiver off/on as they see fit; as is currently our case.

In this instance, it is not about protection, it is a network (traffic) concern. The short version of this entire topic is, without using a firewall, we need to stop all polling to/from the Avast (7) application and its associated processes.  How can we do this at the application level?
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: DavidR on August 18, 2012, 03:26:00 AM
No it isn't an update as such but a check to see if there is an emergency update available. If so as an avast user I don't know if it would be push or pull by the AvastEmUpdate.exe process. But it isn't envisaged that an emergency update would be a regular occurrence.

Whilst currently there is no UI setting to disable it - The second quote that I gave is from a topic which talked extensively about it.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: End_User on August 19, 2012, 01:18:58 AM
No it isn't an update as such but a check to see if there is an emergency update available. If so as an avast user I don't know if it would be push or pull by the AvastEmUpdate.exe process. But it isn't envisaged that an emergency update would be a regular occurrence.

Whilst currently there is no UI setting to disable it - The second quote that I gave is from a topic which talked extensively about it.

@DavidR: We thank you again.  ... Depending on how close you are with the project (Avast) 'Free' or otherwise, are there any plans to address this type of concern? -- i.e. to allow the Avast product to continue and provide AV protection while allowing the end_user or administrators to kill the network noise when needed --for other unrelated issues.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: DavidR on August 19, 2012, 02:38:09 AM
I'm an avast user like yourself, so I'm not really privy to interface changes or policy. So I don't know if there is any plans to allow the feature to be disabled either in the UI or via an .ini file switch.

Vlk is an avast team member, the Chief Technical Officer.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: bob3160 on August 19, 2012, 04:42:03 AM
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allow the Avast product to continue and provide AV protection while allowing the end_user or administrators to kill the network noise when needed --for other unrelated issues.
It's the same as asking avast! to knowingly allow you to run avast! partially crippled and thereby exposing you to
increased security risks.
Doesn't make much sense to me.  It would also mean that Avast is condoning the fact that you are at risk when that same risk is preventable.
I would call such a move on their part "Security Malpractice".
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: Dch48 on August 19, 2012, 04:58:48 AM
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that the file reputation service was for just that, files, and that web site reputation was checked by the Web Shield and WebRep if you use it. If a site is known to have hosted malware, it gets blocked by the Web Shield.

I hope that the file reputation cloud service does not require WebRep to be active. I thought they were completely different things and that the file rep service applied to all files, not just ones coming from the web.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: colwarg on August 20, 2012, 08:03:32 AM
I have my updates set to happen every 16440 minutes because I know what I'm doing when browsing the internet.
Even if you know what you are doing, how does that apply to the case then a site, which you browse every day, gets hacked and infected, invisibly installing some malicious code on your computer via a 0-day exploit in the OS, browser, or any of its helpers? You can be the biggest expert in the world and it wouldn't help you much here...
Point, but that's why I use Firefox, and only permanently script permission a select few sites, Yahoo does not get permanent permissions. Not even Google.

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I don't want to cripple it, I want it to update when I tell it to update, and that's when I'm _NOT_ using the computer.
Well, I understand what you are saying, but I'm afraid it doesn't make much sense for me - what's the point of having an updated antivirus when you're not using the computer?
The moments when you are using the computer, that's when you need to have it updated.
I expect the antivirus to be updated as much as possible when I'm using the computer, so it should of been updated already the previous night. It's the difference between changing your oil before the road trip to changing the oil while on the road trip.  :o
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: bob3160 on August 20, 2012, 04:05:01 PM
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It's the difference between changing your oil before the road trip to changing the oil while on the road trip. 


What you're not realizing is that avast! has the ability to remove the impurities that are added to your oil while you're driving
and you're preventing that from happening there by allowing the viscosity of that oil to break down faster than it should. :)
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: Dch48 on August 21, 2012, 01:00:01 AM
Simply put, any antivirus product should be allowed to automatically receive definition updates as soon as they become available. Otherwise, it's being crippled in it's effectiveness.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: avast@@dvantage77.com on August 21, 2012, 01:17:58 AM
"I have my updates set to happen every 16440 minutes because I know what I'm doing when browsing the internet."

WOW!  Approximately 23,500 infected webpages are discovered every day! Every 3.6 seconds another website is infected!

http://www.scmagazine.com/every-36-seconds-a-website-is-infected/article/140414/
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: FerisH on August 25, 2012, 02:11:12 PM
I am honestly enraptured with crossing this topic here, as "Non consenting Home Phoning ", for whatever "reason" it might be, is an eternal Internet annoyance. I am delighted that my "Brothers in Arms" - End_User and colwarg, perfectly pointed on Avast excessive activity, certain "misbehavior", one of common policies within software programming hidden world.

"Free" users actually have no right to reprimand Avast, in spite of its arbitrary, somehow invasive home-chatting behavior. I do like abundance of customizable functions, where the best one is handy and quick shields control. The worst one, nonexistent function is that you can't make it quiet. Here I miss old good practice, when pack of AV definitions we used to download manually, without "nasty punks" calling home, who knows why and for what exactly.

Good security can be maintained, as in a WWII Atlantic theater, with total radio silence. I wish my Windows PC would be silent to "Internet Ocean" as a submarine in a war zone. AV software should work more like sonar, which only announces potential threat to me and all decisions are left to captain - me again.

A rule of thumb for any good software is that it should offer full customization for advanced users, with no auto-deviations from "orders". For that I would be willing to pay in gold. Whether AV Companies like it or not, your/their software is secondary defense line. Primary defense are strict NTFS security settings with recommended work in Limited User Windows environment, supported by extra configured Firefox add-ons NoScript and AdBlock+, running in sandbox eventually. For email client use Thunderbird and that's it.

In the world and Internet particularly, where no one can trust anyone, including own governments, persistent AV software dubious umbilical and hidden traffic with home servers are suitable tools for all kind of "extra activities".
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: bob3160 on August 25, 2012, 03:22:33 PM
@FerisH
The best thing you can do is go back to using an old fashioned typewriter and adding machine.
Internet access and connecting you to it to keep you fully updated as to the latest threats is imperative
for all security programs.
If you're looking for anonymity, then the internet is the wrong place. There is no privacy in this modern world.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: FerisH on August 26, 2012, 09:31:31 PM
@bob3160
It seems as you can't or don't want to understand what me and other two guys are talking about. If Avast, aside of other excellent customizable settings, offers manual update, I do expect this literally, no arbitrary auto connections at all, total "radio silence".   

Let me emphasize again what is here irritating in general, not about Avast only - it is programmer's intentional malignant unwillingness, to let off hidden umbilical with their software, once it settles on other people machines.

And no, I am not looking for anonymity; I despise stalking like tracking of any kind. Programmers are addicted as kind of junkies to these extremely aggravating policies, simply because they can.  Microsoft is one of world leaders and not even the worst. 
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: Dch48 on August 27, 2012, 02:00:15 AM
Let me emphasize again what is here irritating in general, not about Avast only - it is programmer's intentional malignant unwillingness, to let off hidden umbilical with their software, once it settles on other people machines. 
First off, there is nothing "malignant " in a security application receiving automatic updates. In fact is is very much to be desired.  Only having manual updating of an anti-malware application is , to put it plainly, foolish.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: FerisH on August 27, 2012, 08:59:43 AM
@RE to Dch48
It is interesting how undoubtedly intelligent people do not understand certain concept. Nowhere I mentioned or marked automatic updates malignant. Once again Avast has excellent UI with lot of custom options, where shields control is superb. Subject is on manual update control, which is not exactly as declared and expected.

When my (custom configured) Windows XP load completely, there is no single ping or any other outgoing traffic to Internet and such silence remains until I start with certain activity. With Avast, even set to manual, there is constant outgoing traffic. I was experimenting with IP blocking, when blocked on one IP it switches to another one and this "game" goes on. Let me emphasize, this is not updating traffic, which is set to 1440.

Arbitrary hidden outgoing auto-traffic, benign or malignant, is what annoys me. Avast is not the only one, nowadays every piece of newer software is "noisier" from previous version. And this has nothing with eventual desire for anonymity as respectable @bob3160 commented.

To summarize, unwanted and excessive outgoing auto-traffic, whatever reason it might have, is unacceptable and understood as malignant "Unconsenting Home Phoning"   
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: Dch48 on August 27, 2012, 10:18:51 PM
I can only explain the extra traffic as Avast checking the cloud services for possible new detection signatures or file reputation. MSE has done the same things since it's inception.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: tacoma43 on August 27, 2012, 11:08:59 PM
@End_User

If you haven't found a satisfactory solution to your problem, you might inspect your Scheduled Tasks folder for EmUpdate additions.  After a fresh install of v7.0.1466.549, I was surprised — and disappointed — to find that Avast! had added several new entries.

HTH you regain control of your computer.
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: avast@@dvantage77.com on August 27, 2012, 11:13:01 PM
Dch48 is correct.  For avast! to continiue to be one of the best products, it has to use cloud services for it to work properly, streaming updates, file rep, whitelist / blacklist, autosanbox, etc. all need to communicate with avast!
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: polonus on August 27, 2012, 11:27:11 PM
Hi FerisH,

But what is always upsetting to me is the double standards that are used here. When commercial tracking of all sorts goes on behind our backs unnoticed often and unseen, look here for instance to this example : http://www.cookiechecker.nl/check-cookies.php?url=http://blogher.org/&cache=false Ispecially pay attention to third party requests given there WOT score very bad for some) or more stealth ways like very heavily obfuscated scripts to hide tracking behind or the use of pixel by pixel web beacons that I can only spot to check using an add-on like web bug detector. looking up the web beacon links.
Well , when all this is going along all of the time under the hood of a normal webbrowser, no one pays any attention nor protests. On the other hand when an av-solution does some web traffic to perform essential network services for the better protection of all users, all cry wolf here.

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You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
quote from Matthew 7:5

polonus
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: bob3160 on August 27, 2012, 11:44:19 PM
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On the other hand when an av-solution does some web traffic to perform essential network services for the better protection of all users, all cry wolf here.
Primarily one person is crying wolf. The rest of us know better. :)
Title: Re: Free Avast -- Phoning Home -- while update settings are set to manual.
Post by: avast@@dvantage77.com on August 28, 2012, 02:18:32 AM
Here is an email I send to clients to try to enlighten them as to what is going on in the background!  This is one reason we are always normally rated #1 or #2

"avast! AutoSandbox 7.3 is the most impressive advancement in antivirus in years.  The addition of the cloud services module adds a highly mature white listing / black listing database that now includes tens of millions of files. AutoSandbox learns from every user, everyday!  With 180 million users, this database is the most extensive of its type in the world. After white listing, unknown code is analyzed for other variables, including file reputation, file origin, URL source, file signature, and code analysis.  If at any stage the file is deemed safe, it is automatically executed.  Polymorphic code is many times impossible to detect in these first stages. The file packer is embedded at the end of the code. So the initial scan has nothing to go on until this point.  If the packer is known, then the Sandbox will now decrypt the file using the appropriate decompression algorithm. If the file is still not judged safe, or it uses an unknown packer (many virus writers will author their own packers) then the file is executed in the sandbox. As this code executes, it is halted at multiple intervals for structural checks, undergoing analysis for viral characteristics and behavior, i.e. "start”, “run" or writing to the registry.  At any time if the code is confirmed as malicious, it is moved directly to the virus chest.  Under full analysis, the user will see "This code is being analyzed" for a maximum of 15 seconds.  If at any time the code is deemed safe, it is allowed to fully execute.  This type of code analysis will change antivirus software as we know it!"