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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: Abraxas on January 18, 2005, 08:53:02 AM
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Have downloaded Microsoft's Anti Spyware program, an attempt by them to tackle the huge mal/spyware market of programs out there. I thought I'd give it a go. Available at their downloads page. It's a Beta program, so no support as such, but personally I'm feeling good about this. ;D
It actually is looking promising, but it's early days .
I like the interface and it's easy to navigate.
A feature is linking all users , if you permit, to connect and collect information and spread to the network of users new mal/spy-ware instances and collect and share that info. I'll see how it goes, but this program looks very promising.
I'm keeping Ad-Aware , and just using the XP sp2 Firewall. Sygate firewall is a consideration , if XP SP2's isn't adequate.
If others have any feedback from their use of MS Anti Spyware I'd love to hear from you.
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There is already a thread about this. Use the search option on this board to find it.
And it isn't all that good (the application), as I have explained there.
edit: to the moderators: Move this thread to the other one?
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Eddy Search results didn't bring up the thread, but I looked through your posts; and for others the URL is :
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=10386.msg88470#msg88470
I see no data posted to suggest there's any obvious problems although ?
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I think this is the one he was talking about.
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=10288.0
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Or maybe this one? ;D
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=10163.0
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You know I started to try it, but after reading some of the reviews from users at www.download.com, and discovering that there is no UNINSTALL OPTION I decieded not to bother, I'll stick with Ad-Aware and Spybot!
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You know I started to try it, but after reading some of the reviews from users at www.download.com, and discovering that there is no UNINSTALL OPTION I decieded not to bother, I'll stick with Ad-Aware and Spybot!
Keep in mind that the free versions of Ad-Aware and Spybot find alware after the fact. MS AntiSpyware is resident.
It may not be the greatest but right now it's free. ;D I have all 3.
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:o No uninstall ! oops........ ;D
bob3160 :
Keep in mind that the free versions of Ad-Aware and Spybot find alware after the fact. MS AntiSpyware is resident.
It may not be the greatest but right now it's free. I have all 3.
I also was attracted by the resident protection Bob, as children are using the computer. Plus I also have all 3 program's. ( so I can clean up after the little rascal's ) ;)
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Abraxas
My kids are all grown so now whenever I visit, I always come prepared
to clean up their computers. ;D
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bob3160 :
Abraxas
My kids are all grown so now whenever I visit, I always come prepared
to clean up their computers.
My 11 year old thinks he's Einstein. Emulators, Game Roms, Dos boxes ; I've learn't so much "tidying up" after his intuitive & not so intelligent meanderings on the Web. No harm done really ; :P ... somehow the kids of today really have a knack of doing the most adventurous things, which I'd never consider doing myself.
Thank God for AdAware, Avast! , Spybot , and all the essential remedy Utilities !
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My 11 year old thinks he's Einstein. Emulators, Game Roms, Dos boxes
kids of today really have a knack of doing the most adventurous things, which I'd never consider doing myself.
I still use Roms, Emulators, Dos boxes now at 16 years old (still a kid inside i suppose ::))
But im at college learning things like programming, advanced database and spreedsheets (if you can call them advanced), business in ICT, systems and configeration etc, which i find interesting. (All part of my A level)
But i can't wait untill next year when i get onto graphical design and Website design.
--lee
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I ended up uninstalling it. False positives and menu options that either didn't do what they said they would or just wouldn't work.
PigDog
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Another thing i noticed about the Microsoft Anti-Spyware, if you configer the anti-hijack page option, then change user accounts, it gives you a nice warning 'Warning, homepage has been changed' , Nah, you think so, its a different user account ::)
--lee
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You know I started to try it, but after reading some of the reviews from users at www.download.com, and discovering that there is no UNINSTALL OPTION I decieded not to bother, I'll stick with Ad-Aware and Spybot!
I downloaded Microsoft antispyware from the microsoft site and it came with a uninstaller.
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I thought I would give it a try too. It does have an uninstall. I don't know how good the program is. Did anyone use it and find anything with it? Mine was clean ;D
Install Microsoft AntiSpyware
Keys added: 1239
Keys deleted: 9
Values added: 1240
Values changed: 77
Folders added: 4
Files added: 58
Files changed: 12
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Uninstall Microsoft AntiSpyware
Keys added: 5
Keys deleted: 890
Values added: 5
Values deleted: 941
Values changed: 36
Folders added: 1
Files added: 3
Files deleted: 38
Files changed: 9
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Great ! Microsoft Anti-Spyware flags BitDefender as spyware ;D ;D ;D
http://www.theregister.com/2005/01/21/ms_antispyware_glitch/
::)
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I'm amazed that the article again mentions the possibility of a lawsuit against Microsoft over this false positive.
How many lawsuits have been filed agains BitDefender over false positives in their software?
I guess if this software was still owned by Giant, that subject never would have come up.
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OK Bob, imagine Rumania 2005. Do you think a telephone-call to Redmond-USA ("Hi Bill, could you do me a favor...) would be of any help ?
From BitDefenders point of view, I can imagine them thinking, the only thing that helps, is threatening with lawyers. Not that this will be of any use I guess... :(
Fast
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Great ! Microsoft Anti-Spyware flags BitDefender as spyware ;D ;D ;D
Strange, I have BitDefender (free) installed as a second scanner and Microsoft Anti-Spyware did not detect it as spyware :-\ ::)
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:P There's so many permutations involved with each system, and the software installed that it's interesting ; but annoying , to find that what works for one person doesn't always work for another. Maybe in 20 years computers will have evolved to a more 'standard' base , where you don't feel your chasing your tail in circles every couple of days. The bottom line I feel is designating a plan of what you want to do with your computer, and sticking to it. With so many 'yummy' toys being thown on the market almost daily, it's very tempting to try the ' latest ' thinking it's the best. Multitasking is a headache . ::)
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The bottom line I feel is designating a plan of what you want to do with your computer, and sticking to it. With so many 'yummy' toys being thown on the market almost daily, it's very tempting to try the ' latest ' thinking it's the best. Multitasking is a headache . ::)
Wisdom words 8)
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When I first used MS Anti Spyware program, it did find some files but lately it reports that none were found.
But if I run Adaware immediately after, like tonight, Adaware found 0 critical files and 21 negligible objects (MRU list). Not sure if this means MS SP isn't finding the negligible objects or if it just isn't programmed to find them maybe because they are negligible?
I do find that since using MS Anti Spyware (less than 2 mos ago), that Adaware isn't finding critical objects. Need to keep comparing more but I DO like the MS Anti Spyware program resident scan idea.
katy
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The MS software reports every webpage that has 'startpagina' in it as dangerous.
Another false positive by this crap.
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What is "startpagina" ???
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It's a pretty good program, but almost every anti-spyware program I've used always has a few false positives - it's bound to happen. As protection increases, the possibility of a false positive also increases. Although, my problem with MS antispyware was that it slowed down the system horribly, and it seemed to crash a lot of applications the resident scanner was attempting to scan.
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a61
In ref to your question as to what is "startpagina". I looked in a search engine and it appears that this word (if you will) is indicitive of a URL in the Nederlands only. So, if that is the case it has nothing to do with anyone other than those people interested in going to an address that originates out of the Nederlands. If this is not correct information I am sure I will be corrected. :)
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My friend downloaded the MS Anti Spyware program and has a problem.
Can anyone help?
Click Here to Help (http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/microsoft_antispyware.html)
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Can't offer much help from my end. Hope your friend has another browser they can use. After reading your link about the problem it sure does sound like more of this might happen.
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emma
Sounds like your friend needs to uninstall the MS Anti Spyware Program and then do a repair of her windows installation.
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ALmost right Neal, it is also used in Belgium, Suriname and some overseas parts of The Netherlands.
Emma, reinstalling IE should solve it.
(INFO) (http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#IEDownload)
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I wish it detected IE as a spyware on my computer. :(! Finally, a bug that actually has a positive element. :)
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I wonder if that not only knocks out the Browser element but also the OE display of html mail in the preview pane and the display of help files, because these use IE for displaying the data.
Well they did after all clean up the source of most spyware/adware/malware Internet Explorer and its security holes.
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Am I Missing Something Here?
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Am I Missing Something Here?
I don't think you are Emma, some others might be 'tho! ;D
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Thanksinthewild
Thought I was in the wrong forum for a sec ;)
BS
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:D :D :D
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Well they did after all clean up the source of most spyware/adware/malware Internet Explorer and its security holes.
I thought that it was malicious code that was the cause of malware?
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:D :D :D
In the Wild.......goodnight to you.......
I'm checking out of this place for the evening. Going to go find my friend and something more fun to read. ::)
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That's a good one, Emma! You got them cold! :D :D :D
All you guys are so serious about your computers, you don't
even realize when you have been had! Come on,
EVERYBODY LAUGH! It's break time! :D :D :D
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I'm bringing this thread back to 'top' just to mention a silly test that shows Microsoft seeking harder and deeper for spywares.
For the always-blamming-against-Microsoft-users: http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&id=84&perpage=1&pagenum=3 (comparison of MS AntiSpyware vs Ad-Aware vs SpyBot).
For the ones that expect it free after the beta period, well, bad news :'(
http://malektips.com/microsoft_antispyware_0002.html
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Sheesh your kidding me, I thought there gonna keep the antispyware for free! Spybot and Ad-aware SE are still strong tools together against Spyware, that's all I can say.
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Tech
The latest that I heard also said it will remain FREE.
The website in your post doesn't indicate how old their information is??? So there really isn't any way of telling. ??? ???
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I'm bringing this thread back to 'top' just to mention a silly test that shows Microsoft seeking harder and deeper for spywares.
For the always-blamming-against-Microsoft-users: http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&id=84&perpage=1&pagenum=3 (comparison of MS AntiSpyware vs Ad-Aware vs SpyBot).
For the ones that expect it free after the beta period, well, bad news:'(
http://malektips.com/microsoft_antispyware_0002.html
I posted some days ago about this new: B.Gates said "MS Antispyware remains free" in a conference. Now I don't remember where is the post; I posted also the link to the website who reported this B.G.'s words.
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Free? M$ will 'join' it into OneCare (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13560.0) with an yearly subscription... :-\ :'(
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Tech if M$ try and charge for their antispyware product imha they will loose plenty of
supporters users of this software. The reason most user are using it today is coz it is free.
This program isn't bad but I wouldn't pay for it ;)
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The reason most user are using it today is coz it is free.
And the reason to be free could be just 'colect' samples (of spywares) from the users :(
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That is probably very true Tech you can not put anything past MS What a start to there malware
data base they would be collecting. We will all have to wait and see mine expires in 66 days
This is in the Message Center on the load up GUI
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Free? M$ will 'join' it into OneCare (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13560.0) with an yearly subscription... :-\ :'(
The article doesn't mention anything about joining the two products???
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:) I haven't been here for awhile and was surprised this thread had continued !
I suppose Microsoft security issues will always have an perpetual dynamic.
The reason most user are using it today is coz it is free.
And the reason to be free could be just 'colect' samples (of spywares) from the users :(
Just to add a bit of fuel to the collection of Data by M$ idea mentioned by P3t3rb0nn :
I've been trying to clean a friends computer, it's using XP home. Has a damn preinstall of XP (NEC) , and basically the thing is unstable. Because of the NEC factory pre-install it seems you have to basically format the computer if things go wrong, as the XP disk which came with the Comp. is just a recovery disk, which will re-install XP from a HDD partition.
Any way after talking to NEC ::) and finding this trap, I rang a technician at Microsoft to try to figure if there was an alternative. I could buy a XP cd and extract what I needed , as some applications aren't working; OR he said they'd be more than happy to help me fix what we ascertained as a SPY/malware problem. There's some entries in the Device Manager, which are not hardware , but are pretending to be ???.
I was pretty amazed how persistent he was to help with curing this nasty infection and offering the services of a 1st grade technician.I believe they are collecting info. about Spy/Malware, which is a good thing, and this comp. certainly is under the control of a sophisticated virus.
It was picked up by my friends teenager who uses P2P programs , and game emulaters.
The software for the M.A.M.E. emulator has established itself as Hardware ; and there's a "logical Disk Manager Administrative Service" & "Windows User Mode Driver Framework" entry also. These are listed with ? & ! as unknown devices :P
Any wasys, if I dont have to Format I'll be happy !
So on Monday will be analysing the system with a bigtime M$ tech. They use HiJackThis logs as their major tool. Aint that funny that a free program is the Major tool of this billion dollar company. And the logs are worth there weight in gold to them I bet ;D
Funny old world idn't it !!! :)