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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: szc on January 20, 2005, 04:18:08 PM
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OK, people to make this explanation much more simple, just go here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=10322.msg87831#msg87831
That's one of posts made by my friend a61... With that sugesstion brought to life, I was inrigued and I started to play with bringing his idea to life... well, I succeeded I must say ! I'm so happy, hehe 8)
Some of you will ask, why all those changes ? Well... avast! is upgrading their code as we all know when we take into consideration that we have program updates quite offten. That's great, wonderful... so, I also upgraded one of my skins, and made it little bit more useful...
Now, those little blue drop down buttons (down-arrows) on the right hand side of the interface, are completely alive and they have same function as those standard buttons (icons on the left side of the skin) Resident Scanner, Local Disks and Removable Media. Who needs double commands ? Well, as we all know there are some other programs, even some made by Microsoft, that uses double commands... why not we ? Anyway, if someone find him/herself annoyed by those arrows, they still can use icons... so everybody happy, right ! IMHO, this way everything looks much more real and everything on the screen has it's function... by design, but also very useful...
Thanks everybody for reading this, I appreciate it... I just wanted to show that I care about avast! user's opinion. I made it happen !
I already sent this skin version to Ondrej (Vlk), and we just have to wait untill he uploads it to download section. It would be great, just to put small note next to skin preview, that this is brushed skin version 2.
Cheers !
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You will notice following things, but believe me, nothing is wrong and everything works exactly as it should work. It works exactly the same way as it used to work with all other skins and all other buttons/icons. Well, I better start with that little explanation... huuuuh...
First of all, When you click at LOCAL DISKS arrow (blue dropdown), you dropdown menu will slide down. When you click it again, normal behaviour is that menu will slide up, in other words, close itself... OK...
When you click at REMOVABLE MEDIA arrow, both dropdown menues will slide down. When you click it again, both menues will close itself. That's normal, because both menue are talking about removable media, right ?
OK, all panels are closed now... Let's mention another situation - if you press LOCAL DISK arrow, dropdown menu will slide down. Do NOT close it, leave it open... now press, REMOVABLE MEDIA again. Removable Media dropdown menu will slide down too. Now we have both menues open and visible on the screen, right ? If you try just to close first one (top one) LOCAL DISKS, you won't be able to do that... actually, you can change the status of what you want to be scanned (take a look at display area, Scan Local Drives is changing from ON to OFF), but you won't be able to close that dropdown menu... why ? It's completely normal. Because REMOVABLE MEDIA is last one that was activated.
If you press REMOVABLE MEDIA arrow, you'll close both dropdown menues, unless you pressed LOCAL DISKS in the mean time and set Scan Local Drives to ON (take a look at display area again). If that is set to ON, then only REMOVABLE MEDIA dropdown menu will close itself. Again, why ? Because you activated LOCAL DISKS scanning. Logicaly.
OK, I covered those two dropdown menues. What about third one, RESIDENT SCANNER ? OK, that one works pretty much independetly from those two I explained up there... you can make that dropdown menu show itself if you press on that little blue dropdown button (Mac styled arrow), but you can not close the menu same way. Why ? I don't know, but it's been always like that... since avast! was born, hehe ;D Anyway... that menue reacts to user actions in a little bit different way. Menu will be open as long as you hover with your mouse pointer over that menu. As soon as you move your mouse little bit further from the menu, that will invike closing of RESIDENT SCANNER drop down menu.
So, nothing is wrong, everything works perfectly, I just felt I should give a little (haha, this one is good... a little ::) ) explanation why and how everything works. Remember people, this is not just when it comes to this skin. It's with all skins no matter who made them, and it's been always like that, even with default icon commands which can be found in every and each skin.
Thanks for reading this, I just hope it will be useful and helpful to some.
Regards!
Sasha
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Why isn't there a drop down bar and arrow for Folder Selection Sasha? ???
--lee
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Simply, because it never was there. What would we do with that dropdown button, when there is no dropdown menu or panel or window. When you press FOLDER SELECTION button, we all know that you get a huge window on the screen. It's not possible to make it as simple drop down menu, just because of it's enormous size...
EDIT: Sorry, my mistake. I put that red-yellow arrow (first screenshot) next to FOLDER SELECTION just by mistake... so that probably confused you... Folder selection button never had drop down menu as a result of pressing it. It was always like this, you press Folder Selection button, and you get a completely new window on the screen.
As far as screenshot goes, I fixed it now... see screenshot again. Only those three arrows should be there pointing to default buttons.
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Ahh, i see, thanks for clearing that up for me Sasha ;)
--lee
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Skin is nice,but i would make seperate About button for credits. They just don't look good on main panel (with other words,it looks ugly :P )
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What Credit words ? You mean those where "dedicated to CoJo" is placed ? Well, It woudln't be dedication if it's not visible. Anyway, this skin will never be part of avast! default package, so it's just one of many additional skins.
I dedicated it to CoJo, so I want it to be highly visible...
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Then trywith less words. It's way too much text.
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Well, that's by design... anyway, skin is already in Vlk's mailbox, so I don't want to bug him with non-life-important things like this. Skin is clean, working without even one single problem, graphic is polished as much as it could be... even those "dedication" wordings are nicely blended into background with transparency value set to 60%
I, personaly, don't see where is the problem.
EDIT: I am really interested now to see what other forum members think... let's go people, I wanna hear your opinions...
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Sasha, out of curiosity, would it be possible to make a skin with changeable attributes, so people could change their skin within reason.
--lee
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Watch what you ask for :)
Here goes:
My thoughts when looking at it are that with as much wording as there is on the bottom its making the left center part look very plain... hopefully you know where I mean. It kinda makes it abit busy down there... so everythings down the right side, and along the bottom. I think he may be right, and maybe you could lose a little of the wording... or find a way to fit it in elsewhere. I realize you want this dedication, and understand it ... and agree with you that it should be there and where its SEEN... but somethings just a little amiss... sorry :( you asked :)
edit: see attached example of what Im talking about.. where it looks plain
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Well no, i think it looks fine as it is, not looking plain or over worded at all, i just like to ask questions. ;D
--lee
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Personally I don't see a problem with the dedication wording, I think that if the length is abreviated too much it will lose its meaning.
However, I can see RejZor's point that with the line for the creater, followed by the dedication to CoJo might seem large. However, there is no way I would consider it ugly.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, people who like it will download it and try it, those that don't like it will either not download it or change it if they don't like it.
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David.. I agree.. to a point.. what you say makes sense :)
Sasha.. did this quickly so its not perfect :) Maybe something like this?
edit: could add the "forum members will always love you"" under the dedication.. I read Davids post AFTER doing this and have to agree with him on that
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Well, I don't know Connie... the screenshot of display area you took from is the display area in that specific state. If you take a look at this screenshot, you'll see that dosplay area contains much more information on the screen, and it doesn't look that plain.
After all, I made some very complicated skins before, and all I've got from users, was: "...can't you make something more simple, something more plain... this looks so gamey and like joke..."
Well, the problem is, can't please everybody... I am alone, and there are at least 10000 other avast! users, at least those registered... it could be very difficult...
I can try to make that dedication note little bit shorter, but then, it means I have to send this skin to Vlk again. I know he is not going to be very happy about that, but also, I would like to hear directly from him, what he thinks about everything. If he says: "...there will be no problems, you can send new version...", I'll do that right away...
Can someone point his direction to this thread and this question please ?
Cheers !
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Sasha :) David and Lee say its fine :) Leave it be.. not to worry pal :)
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adding this thought Sasha... forgot to quote and Im not going back to do so LOL You are right (duh silly me) When looking at it without all the windows open and the other stuff there it all looks fine. Yeah, my humble opinion is that its abit wordy, but thats only one opinion out of gazillions out there... :) :) :) <===== lotsa smileys.. no problemo lol
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The new ones up :) Little blue drop down thingy works.. I just downloaded it
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Thats a program skin,not a commercial for someone from avast! forums. Even if CoJo is our good friend,other 98% of people won't know who that is.
Created by Sasha Zivanovic - Craftec
Skin dedicated to our good friend CoJo
Short enough?
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No, no Connie... I like to hear other people's opinions... you know me... you think I would take this huge responsibility to make it possible to get those Mac styled blue buttons (arrows) working on the skin, even we never had something like that before, when it comes to avast! ? I care about a61's opinion... that's why I gave my best to make it happen.
This is great discussion and I want to see more people talk about this in this thread. It will make this skin more beautiful, and it will make me easier make my decision.
I really want to hear from Vlk, and if I get his aproval, I'll send him new version... but, one thing, have to be clear to everyone. CoJo deserved to have one skin dedicated to her, and I'm not gonna remove that dedication for anything in the world. I would rather not to see that skin in avast! download section, than to see it without it. Since the very first pixel I started to draw when I started to make that skin, I had that idea in my head. I want to contribute somehow, and help other members not forget our girl CoJo...
Come on people, I want to hear more opinions...
Cheers !
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RejZor's wording sounds good.
Question for you Sasha. The new improved one is on the site now... I just played with it abit. Im not sure if this is normal or not so thought I would ask. The removeable media part. If you deselect CD/DVDs and Floppies is it normal for them to then become selected again the next time you load it up? I was using skinless before and never had to keep deselecting them. Not a complaint.. just wondering if there is a way to keep how you set it.
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Thats a program skin,not a commercial for someone from avast! forums. Even if CoJo is our good friend,other 98% of people won't know who that is.
Created by Sasha Zivanovic - Craftec
Skin dedicated to our good friend CoJo
Short enough?
And believe me, that's their problem RejZor, not mine, not Alwil's, not anyone's. This is nice act of remembering someone, not some commercial crap. I'm not forcing anyone to use this skin. Those which likes it, are free to use it, those who doesn't like it, are also free, but this time, not to use it... there is plenty of other skins in download section...
Can't think like that at all... we also have 9-11 skin made by me... so you're telling me we should remove it, 'cause some people from Muslim countries don't like it ? Skin was made as remembering act, not as political stupidity. I don't care who's guilty, who's not. I am just skin designer and I do what I like and what I know...
Cheers !
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RejZor's wording sounds good.
Question for you Sasha. The new improved one is on the site now... I just played with it abit. Im not sure if this is normal or not so thought I would ask. The removeable media part. If you deselect CD/DVDs and Floppies is it normal for them to then become selected again the next time you load it up? I was using skinless before and never had to keep deselecting them. Not a complaint.. just wondering if there is a way to keep how you set it.
EDIT: Yes, try checking other skins and you'll see that I'm telling you the truth Connie :) I wouldn't lie to you girl, now would I ? ;D
Edit, edit: Sorry Connie, my mistake... At first I thought it was RejZor's question... my bad (slaps cheeks)
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haha.. that was my question Sasha.. not RejZors lol
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And believe me, that's their problem RejZor, not mine, not Alwil's, not anyone's. This is nice act of remembering someone, not some commercial crap. I'm not forcing anyone to use this skin. Those which likes it, are free to use it, those who doesn't like it, are also free, but this time, not to use it... there is plenty of other skins in download section...
Can't think like that at all... we also have 9-11 skin made by me... so you're telling me we should remove it, 'cause some people from Muslim countries don't like it ? Skin was made as remembering act, not as political stupidity. I don't care who's guilty, who's not. I am just skin designer and I do what I like and what I know...
Well said Sasha
BTW, i don't know if this is possible, but could you expand the skin to the menu (see below).
P.S. sorry about the crudley edited image below, only got paint here!!
--lee
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I'd say the skin is OK just how it is (with the Dedicated stuff)
When you see a statue somewhere, you read the name of the person depicted by it on the pedestal, and find yourself not recognizing the name, you also don't feel offended, do you? ;)
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Yes, you're completely right Vlk, but just in case... I don't want to be crucified by avast! forum members and accused for not listening avast! users ;D
So just in case, if you think it would be appropriate, I'll send you latest, last-last-final-totally-last, absolutely FINAL version... whoooooaaa... (taking some breath) ;D
Here it is how it looks now...
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Well said Sasha
BTW, i don't know if this is possible, but could you expand the skin to the menu (see below).
P.S. sorry about the crudley edited image below, only got paint here!!
--lee
Sorry Lee, but I didn't catch that one... can you explain it a little bit closer. I'm not sure I understood you well... and yes, I see the picture, but it doesn't tell me much. I don't know what do you mean by expand the skin to the menu.
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I'd say the skin is OK just how it is (with the Dedicated stuff)
When you see a statue somewhere, you read the name of the person depicted by it on the pedestal, and find yourself not recognizing the name, you also don't feel offended, do you? ;)
:) :) Excellent point (http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/ac30.gif)
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Well said Sasha
BTW, i don't know if this is possible, but could you expand the skin to the menu (see below).
P.S. sorry about the crudley edited image below, only got paint here!!
--lee
Sorry Lee, but I didn't catch that one... can you explain it a little bit closer. I'm not sure I understood you well... and yes, I see the picture, but it doesn't tell me much. I don't know what do you mean by expand the skin to the menu.
I think he would like the menu brushed as well :)
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Connie, take a look what I meant... you see now ? It is aligned properly, it's just the shadow of the sliding menus makes that illusion...
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Sasha.. yeah.. as I said in the PM its just my eyes :) Wasnt sure and shoulda zoomed it myself .. :P
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I think he would like the menu brushed as well :)
I'm sorry, but that's not possible. Maybe Vlk should say something about that. I'm sure he knows much better than me, why is it that way... same situation in all skins...
Actually, there is no option in SkinBuilder where we can control or skin that value...
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OK, people, what do you think about new version with shrinked dedication part ? Everyone was asking, and now, no one wants to say anything... is it uglier than before, hahaha ;D
Vlk, please dady, make these kids happy... ;D
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I like the change . Think its much better :)
Give it a day and see how others feel. "Patience Grasshopper"
edit: Im outa here for now.. if I don't leave a man's gonna be standing at an airport scratching his head :)
laterz folks.. good luck Sasha
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Now thats much better Sasha ;D
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Looking Cool Sasha, When will the new version be out?
(its my favourite skin so far ;) )
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The update version look good too, whilst still retaining the dedication.
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OK, I just finished redesigning avast! Brushed. I just sent it to Vlk (oh boy, he will go nuts with me)
The main screen looks exactly like the one from the last screenshot I posted at previous page... also, last three buttons (Local Disks, Removable Media and Folder Selection) have nice light bluish color when highlighted (in highlight state), not grey as before. Grey color is in original states of those three buttons, so when you hover with your mouse pointer over those buttons, they'll slightly change button color from grey to nice light blue. Minor thing, but it sure makes difference.
Alll we have to do is to wait untill Vlk upload it (for the 20th time :o ;D )i n download section.
Ondrej, can you alarm us please when you do that ? Please ? We'll be very good... at least next few minutes... and then, those kids will start to make rules again, haha ;D
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I want it more than ever now :P
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Looks like some nice improvements ;) Looking forward to getting it when it available. I like the wording on the skin even though I didn't know Cojo.
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OK, people Vlk just alarmed me, he uploaded latest version of the avast! Brushed skin in avast! download section, so everybody is welcome to download it.
I redesigned dedication note, it's still visible, but looks much better and also blends into skin much, much better. Also, those 3 buttons on the right side (Local Disks, Removable Media and Folder Selection) now have nice light bluish color when you hover over them with your pointer.
Impressions ?
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Just got it this morning and I like the clean look of it. Went through all the buttons and everything seems to work fine. Good work Sasha ;D
There are some skins I don't use, can I just delete them from the skins folder without causing any problems?
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Yes, of course you can. Just open your default skins folder and delete all those files with .asws extension that you don't want to use.
Cheers !
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Good just didn't know if they were referenced to some other files. I got rid of 3 that I wouldn't ever use.
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yawn.. puppies sure do get up early :P ::)
Good work Sasha :)
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When is the updates skin due to be released?
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You missed this reply by me I guess:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=10487.msg89526#msg89526
...just one page ahead of this one ;D ;)
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Yay!! But I went to the Skins download and it didnt say it was updated
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Yes, that's the problem we still have... I guess our busy friend Vlk was too busy to take care of that too... we have to understand him, he has so many responsibilities, it's natural that some minor things must be forgoten in these circumstances... doesn't really matter, everybody can find out through these posts anyway...
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Yup,Thanks for updating it, :D ;)