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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: Avast Eagle on September 13, 2012, 02:20:37 AM
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Sounds like they dont seem to fix the issue of not analyzing 2TB Hard Drives,
more the rare issue of Laptops coming with 2 HDD of 500gb and sometimes gives error when clickin on 2nd HDD.
Forgot alternatives for this one so thanks in advance.
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You're using Windows 7 so your operating system is already defragging your hard drive automatically.
Why do you need an alternative ???
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3rd party defraggers do a faster job then Windows 7 default defrag. Auslogics is the best free defragger out there. Just disable Windows 7 defrag scheduler. Ultra Defrag is also very good.
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3rd party defraggers do a faster job then Windows 7 default defrag. Auslogics is the best free defragger out there. Just disable Windows 7 defrag scheduler. Ultra Defrag is also very good.
Faster ??? would you care to state by how much ???
I hear the same comments about speeding up your computer by cleaning up your registry but they also never mention by how much. ;D
Since the defragging happens in the background in Win 7 and 8, I don't really need to run anything.
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It will only happen mainly when your pc is at idle. Cleaning the Windows registry is a different topic. Yes Windows 7 defrag is better then XP's but its still a snail and does not provide a nice GUI progress indicator. I tried every free 3rd party defragger out there. Windows 7 took 30 minutes with a 5% fragmentation. Smart Defrag took about 20 min. Both Ultra and Auslogics took about 12 min. Google around for best 3rd party defraggers and you will see that Auslogics is the top pick. I would rather have an on demand defrag then a scheduled one. Yes Windows 7 defrag can be disabled. If 3rd party defraggers we not so necessary then why are they so popular? Also Bob.................The OP HDD is only getting defragmented automatically if the scheduler is on. Windows 7 Defrag CMD switches can be beneficial.
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Auslogics is the best free defragger out there.
You obviously haven't tried all defraggers out there otherwise there would have been some mention of Puran or Defraggler which are both more highly rated by user's and not net marketing, both of these also include boot time defragging and also use the windows file placement ( as long as you dont use Puran's - piozr )
http://www.puransoftware.com/Puran-Defrag.html
http://www.piriform.com/defraggler
Otaku Ichise iv never had any problems with Defraggler not scanning the second harddrive of either of my systems which both include twin 500Gb drives plus a 1.5Tb and 3Tb external drives, is there some link you can provide to this if a known problem or does it only happen on your system.
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There is a good reason I did not recommend Puran. Yes I have tried it. Its very good. But once you perform a boot defrag its will delete ALL your system restore points. Its a bug that has been there for years which never gets fixed. Dont wanna recommend something then have someone complain that it deleted there restore points.
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http://alternativeto.net/software/defraggler/
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This is a good site to find alternative software :)
Have fun
Anthony ::)
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There is a good reason I did not recommend Puran. Yes I have tried it. Its very good. But once you perform a boot defrag its will delete ALL your system restore points. Its a bug that has been there for years which never gets fixed. Dont wanna recommend something then have someone complain that it deleted there restore points.
I cant say iv noticed it removing my restore points before ( been a year since iv used it ) but i only use system images these days and have restore disabled, there is also a new version of Puran released recently.
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The new version does the same. ALL system restore points will be removed upon using a boot defrag. I also keep a system image with Paragon handy but most pc users don't and only know of system restore.
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The new version does the same. ALL system restore points will be removed upon using a boot defrag. I also keep a system image with Paragon handy but most pc users don't and only know of system restore.
Sorry to again rock the boat but Windows 7 and 8 have a built in function for doing Image backups.
It's reliable, works while your sleeping and doesn't require additional software.
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Lol. Bob please refrain from posting unless you have the same degree as me. Paragon is great but I also use Windows 7 disk image. Windows 7 disk image had failed several time where as Paragon never has. Also Bob where you are wrong is that evey disk imaging program has a scheduler. But that means you MUST leave your external HDD plugged in at all times. That's a bad move cause you can image your drive which has a malware infection. I always do a full scan before any on demand disk images. Also leaving your external HDD plugged in 24/7 puts more wear on it. Need to backup.......Plug it in and do it. Also Bob some people prefer to backup to DVD's. So how can that run in back round. Never saw a computer insert a DVD by itself and start to burn.
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I wish I had your skill sets ;D
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Go to college and earn a degree as a systems engineer and you can. We can all benefit from each other. I watched your video Bob. It's time to join the real world and not be stuck in the past. Issues with Norton sucking the life out of your machine were addressed back on 2009. Norton products are now veryight. Using a mere 15-20MB.
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http://alternativeto.net/software/defraggler/
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I just downloaded defraggler and Avast popped up with a red warning showing 2 threats detected. I immediately uninstalled it.
This is a good site to find alternative software :)
Have fun
Anthony ::)
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Where did you download Defraggler from ? if you got it from the vendors site "Piriform" there should be no problem
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Where did you download Defraggler from ? if you got it from the vendors site "Piriform" there should be no problem
http://www.piriform.com That's where I downloaded it. I would post the red popup but can't remember how to do that.
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Right click on the avast ball and click show last popup, then you can use whatever screen shot tool you have, when posting use the "Attachments and other options" below where you compose the post.
Even a discription of the detection and what shield alerted would be helpful.
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I downloaded Defraggler again but this time from CNet. It's running right now but shows that it's going to take 1 day. Does it really take that long?
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I downloaded Defraggler again but this time from CNet. It's running right now but shows that it's going to take 1 day. Does it really take that long?
Mine says that to for the first couple of minutes then it drops to hours then minutes ( also depends on how fragmented the HD is ), the first scan with defraggler might take a little longer than consecutive scans as it will be putting things in order on its first run, you can also set it to run automatically once a week if you like just to keep the hard drive frequintly defraged
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Go to college and earn a degree as a systems engineer and you can. We can all benefit from each other. I watched your video Bob. It's time to join the real world and not be stuck in the past. Issues with Norton sucking the life out of your machine were addressed back on 2009. Norton products are now veryight. Using a mere 15-20MB.
I suggest that you leave your arrogance on another forum. It has no business on this one. >:(
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I downloaded Defraggler again but this time from CNet. It's running right now but shows that it's going to take 1 day. Does it really take that long?
Mine says that to for the first couple of minutes then it drops to hours then minutes ( also depends on how fragmented the HD is ), the first scan with defraggler might take a little longer than consecutive scans as it will be putting things in order on its first run, you can also set it to run automatically once a week if you like just to keep the hard drive frequintly defraged
It just now finished. I have it set to defrag everyday but will chance that to once a week.
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Same goes Bob. If you can't hang with the Big Dogs then stay on the porch.
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It just now finished. I have it set to defrag everyday but will chance that to once a week.
Once a week is plenty enough :)
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Same goes Bob. If you can't hang with the Big Dogs then stay on the porch.
I dont know how you've come to the conclusion that you one of the big dogs as your a newby to this forum and a noob at best going by your previous posts and the manner in which you say you help others with infected systems clearly shows lack of experience and knowledge as malware removal takes alot more than redirecting people to outdated links in other forums, your a small fish in a sea of sharks here and it would be very wise for you to pay more respect to members here in future as your walking on a very thin line.
This would be your first warning
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Same goes Bob. If you can't hang with the Big Dogs then stay on the porch.
I dont know how you've come to the conclusion that you one of the big dogs as your a newby to this forum and a noob at best going by your previous posts and the manner in which you say you help others with infected systems clearly shows lack of experience and knowledge as malware removal takes alot more than redirecting people to outdated links in other forums, your a small fish in a sea of sharks here and it would be very wise for you to pay more respect to members here in future as your walking on a very thin line.
This would be your first warning
No where did I break ANY rules. No where in the forum rules does it say "essexboy is the ONLY helper of malware removal". Till it does your warning is meaningless. Thanks. Have a great day. FYI................Bleepingcomputers is a top notch malware removal forum. The advice I linked to would solve the issue sooner and faster then using OTL. That is as long as it was an FBI scareare infection which was clearly stated by the thread topic.
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The advice I linked to would solve the issue sooner and faster then using OTL. That is as long as it was an FBI scareare infection which was clearly stated by the thread topic.
I see your arrogance knows no boundries ::)
As i mentioned earlyer essexboy is not the only helper, we have several here and there all fully qualified which you are not.
As essexboy mentioned to you earlyer in that thread the malware has changed so the link you posted would not have worked anyway, this is where being a trained malware specialist has it's advantages and your knowledge of such has it's disadvantages, we only let trained specialists work on and give advice to users with issues as the wrong advice ( hence yourself ) could be seriously detrimental to there systems.
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Issues with Norton sucking the life out of your machine were addressed back on 2009.
Well,I can counter cross that statement.In All Honesty,I had Norton 2011/2012 on this Laptop earlier and they were sucking away by CPU after a couple of weeks for no reason on the earth.Symantec still has this problem with their products.I also have some clients here who had same problems...and yeah they are not light as avast! they use about 40 to 50 MB of my ram which is unacceptable for me even with a 3GB Ram anything over 25 to 30MB is perfectly unacceptable and no light in my tastes...and yeah being a system engineer doesnt mean you are a expert at malware removal like essexboy or anybody...Malware Removal needs time for practice.Nobody learns that quickly in a day..Also needs a ton of observation of how people like essex and others use tools out and how to get the right tool for the right infection and also you need a couple of infected VM's not real machines as you may wreck a machine many a time i Have myself wrecked Many VM's when practicing..Its a ever-learning process...My grandpa himself is a system engineer but guess what he is still unaware of most of the malware removal stuff even i got interested in malware removal since college and i am in it till now and this doesnt mean i have not wrecked machines in my whole removal business..I have Wrecked a couple of machines,a ton of VM's while practicing and a lot more to tell :-X..Maybe you could visit India and head over to my place if you wanted the testimonials. ;D
Regards from Sunny India ;)
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There is a good reason I did not recommend Puran. Yes I have tried it. Its very good. But once you perform a boot defrag its will delete ALL your system restore points. Its a bug that has been there for years which never gets fixed. Dont wanna recommend something then have someone complain that it deleted there restore points.
I suppose you are talking about the VSS issue. This is an old issue really, it started with Vista... All defraggers that use heavy file/folder placement optimization have this problem(too much data movement) in Vista and 7, assuming you have shadow copies turned on and using cluster sizes smaller than 16k. That is why the majority of them(defrag programs) have a special VSS compatible mode that minimizes data movement.
As for Puran, have a look at what the help file says:
(http://shrani.si/t/3K/pg/mTBvCDo/puranvss.jpg) (http://shrani.si/?3K/pg/mTBvCDo/puranvss.jpg)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;312067
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Issues with Norton sucking the life out of your machine were addressed back on 2009.
Well,I can counter cross that statement.In All Honesty,I had Norton 2011/2012 on this Laptop earlier and they were sucking away by CPU after a couple of weeks for no reason on the earth.Symantec still has this problem with their products.I also have some clients here who had same problems...and yeah they are not light as avast! they use about 40 to 50 MB of my ram which is unacceptable for me even with a 3GB Ram anything over 25 to 30MB is perfectly unacceptable and no light in my tastes...and yeah being a system engineer doesnt mean you are a expert at malware removal like essexboy or anybody...Malware Removal needs time for practice.Nobody learns that quickly in a day..Also needs a ton of observation of how people like essex and others use tools out and how to get the right tool for the right infection and also you need a couple of infected VM's not real machines as you may wreck a machine many a time i Have myself wrecked Many VM's when practicing..Its a ever-learning process...My grandpa himself is a system engineer but guess what he is still unaware of most of the malware removal stuff even i got interested in malware removal since college and i am in it till now and this doesnt mean i have not wrecked machines in my whole removal business..I have Wrecked a couple of machines,a ton of VM's while practicing and a lot more to tell :-X..Maybe you could visit India and head over to my place if you wanted the testimonials. ;D
Regards from Sunny India ;)
Always Norton is a pain in the ass, im a junior IT technician. have you ever seen how slow your system goes when it is installed.
I have Wrecked a couple of machines,a ton of VM's while practicing and a lot more to tell
I have done that too lol 8)
If you
look after your computer
Be careful what you install, visit etc...
Update regularly
You have a chance off defeating most malware in the but.
*Users don't want a slow computer, they want a fast one.*
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... Windows 7 took 30 minutes with a 5% fragmentation. Smart Defrag took about 20 min. Both Ultra and Auslogics took about 12 min
You defrag with 5% ... ? :)
regards
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... Windows 7 took 30 minutes with a 5% fragmentation. Smart Defrag took about 20 min. Both Ultra and Auslogics took about 12 min
You defrag with 5% ... ? :)
regards
I guess that's why he's the experts and all the rest of us are still learning. :)
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Otaku Ichise iv never had any problems with Defraggler not scanning the second harddrive of either of my systems which both include twin 500Gb drives plus a 1.5Tb and 3Tb external drives, is there some link you can provide to this if a known problem or does it only happen on your system.
http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=34995
http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=33887
This seems to hapen to only 2TB Drives or higher External Hard Drives, this issue been going on for a while
and not sure if my laptop 2nd internal HDD being WD can cause read error (but like i said rarely does it)
not sure whats causing the bug, maybe cause defraggler have the sensor temperature reading that can cause the error, no longer sure lol
Hum and people i wouldnt schedule defragmentation, defraging your HDD all time will only take its life time and i find uncessary at least for me,
defrag normaly should be done 1 time or rarely, a quick defrag should be enough sometimes and then defrag the few left manualy.
Theres definitly no need to make a deep defrag every time lol. (lets not fuel the linux fanboys users ego, been fighting those unix fanboys for a while)
Also have pagefile set on 2nd hdd min/max set to 1gb so i dont see fragmentation here eitheir.
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Theres definitly no need to make a deep defrag every time lol.
Totally agree but, I guess it depends on which one of the "Big Dogs" you listen to. ;)
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... Windows 7 took 30 minutes with a 5% fragmentation. Smart Defrag took about 20 min. Both Ultra and Auslogics took about 12 min
You defrag with 5% ... ? :)
regards
5% is recommended to defrag at. Most 3rd party defraggers will tell you and recommend to defrag at 5% of more. Nothing wrong with it. Defrag at 5%. Once a month defrag and optimize. Keep in mind that the 5% was for testing procedures as clearly indicted in my post.
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Here is the error attached, probably gessing a bug on hardware temperature sensor.
Edit: forgot to disable windows 7 defrag schedule lol..., going to reinstall defraggler and try again lol
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That is not a defrag error. I would ignore it all honesty. If you want to really test your hard drives speed then use this. You dont need to disable it. Just unecheck the scheduler. Also thats your "D" drive. Windows is not installed on your D but installed on C. Did you partition your HDD? Also is this an SSD? If it is an SSD you don't need to defrag it. Or do you have 2 hard drives?
http://www.hdtune.com/
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That is not a defrag error. I would ignore it all honesty. If you want to really test your hard drives speed then use this. You dont need to disable it. Just unecheck the scheduler. Also thats your "D" drive. Windows is not installed on your D but installed on C. Did you partition your HDD?
http://www.hdtune.com/
Yes the OS is on "C" Drive and no i didnt partition it, it came pre installed by laptop manufactor and only removed Acer Bloatware lol.
"D" Drive only used for Backups/PageFile/ or anything else extra.
And your right nothing to worry about, i could still analyze, quick defrag and error goes away lol... small bug i gess?
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Ok so now I know. Like most newer pc's yours is equipped with a recovery partition. You have a 1TB hard drive. C is for Windows and D is for the recovery partition. Correct me if I am wrong. If I am right then the error you are seeing is false cause you cannot defrag your recovery partition. Defraggler sees it as 2 drives and not one. Use Auslogics or Windows Defrag is you want. UltraDefrag is really good and portable. Defraggler also does not optimize files where as Auslogics does. UltraDefrag has all functions and it can also defrag your MFT. It will also perform a boot defrag. Try them both out.
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Ok so now I know. Like most newer pc's yours is equipped with a recovery partition. You have a 1TB hard drive. C is for Windows and D is for the recovery partition. Correct me if I am wrong. If I am right then the error you are seeing is false cause you cannot defrag your recovery partition. Defraggler sees it as 2 drives and not one. Use Auslogics or Windows Defrag is you want. UltraDefrag is really good and portable.
No this laptop realy got 2 Hard Drives (500gb x 2), i already opened laptop bottom door,
Laptop just 9 months old now, i think they will start doing this on all recent 17,3 sized Laptops. (1HDD for OS 1HDD for Backup)
Its realy a small bug, i switch on both hdd,s in defragler and error goes away showing temp and everything properly.
Thanks for the support Aventador.
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Ok my bad...............2 HDD very cool. Are they SSD's?
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Ok my bad...............2 HDD very cool. Are they SSD's?
lol 500gb SSD? I WISH LOL just a 150gb one is freaky expensive hahaha.
If i remember a solid state drive max size so far is 300gb yet i think and hela expensive for that.
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Well I would ignore it Piriform got things right with CCleaner but I don't think Defraggler is up to par. Try Auslogics and get back to me. Not the max size of an SSD. I will look into that. Having 2 HDD's sweet. I have 1 750 on my Dell XPS. If your a true geek then you will like Ultra Defrag. Actually since your D drive is for backup and data there is no need to defrag it. Maybe once a year or so.