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Title: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Fred S on March 09, 2013, 08:59:19 PM
I am not happy that Avast has chosen to package another software product within the installer (Chrome). If and when I want Chrome, then I WILL install it.

It disturbs me even more that there is no option to NOT accept Chrome as a part of the installation and it even sets itself as the default browser. This is what "bad" freeware products do all the time and Avast, which is a high quality product, should NOT be doing this stuff.

Did I miss something? ... or is there a way to stop the install of Chrome and the software updater during the setup of Avast 8? This option as well as others should be a part of a Manual vs Automatic installation.

I'm really worried about this because I handle issues for many friends/users who are not literate and if there is no way to stop this stuff during the install, I will have to move them over to MS Security Essentials.

I would appreciate any ideas on stopping installation of Chrome without me having to do it for all my users.

Fred
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: schmidthouse on March 09, 2013, 09:13:48 PM
Hi and Welcome: I believe when/if you choose "Custom" install the option to install or not is shown.
I personally never advise the "default" installation of any software. Always take a look at the Custom install option. ;) :)
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Fred S on March 09, 2013, 09:22:12 PM
Thanks for your comment, but I chose to update the program from within Avast 7 - it went ahead and did its own thing, never got an option to choose Custom install.

If that works, then I'll advise my users to REMOVE the previous install and start from scratch but that will be a pain and likely require a couple re-boots and more time wasted.

Thanks for the info and thank God they have an option in a new install, at least,
Fred
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: schmidthouse on March 09, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Thanks for your comment, but I chose to update the program from within Avast 7 - it went ahead and did its own thing, never got an option to choose Custom install.

If that works, then I'll advise my users to REMOVE the previous install and start from scratch but that will be a pain and likely require a couple re-boots and more time wasted.

Thanks for the info and thank God they have an option in a new install, at least,
Fred

You are welcome.
If I remember correctly,when ever I have update/upgraded and have installed the program (via installer) directly over the existing version I have then been given the option to choose Chrome installation.
Recently however, I have upgraded via GUI and have not worried about Chrome installation as it is one of the Browsers I use. :)
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Gopher John on March 09, 2013, 10:24:23 PM
When I updated the 2 machines in my signature via the AvastUI from Avast 7.0.1474 to 8.0.1482, on the WinXP desktop I was presented with the Chrome install which was selected by default.  I deselected both options on that page.  On my Win7 laptop, I wasn't given the option page during upgrade.  In neither case was Google Chrome installed.  When Toshiba built the laptop, Chrome was installed when I got it and I removed it immediately, never using it.  Perhaps Avast update picks up on that also.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: schmidthouse on March 10, 2013, 04:46:08 PM
When I updated the 2 machines in my signature via the AvastUI from Avast 7.0.1474 to 8.0.1482, on the WinXP desktop I was presented with the Chrome install which was selected by default.  I deselected both options on that page.  On my Win7 laptop, I wasn't given the option page during upgrade.  In neither case was Google Chrome installed.  When Toshiba built the laptop, Chrome was installed when I got it and I removed it immediately, never using it.  Perhaps Avast update picks up on that also.

Good point. I believe now my XP did offer option to de-select and my Win 8 didn't. Sometimes it hard to recall just which system responded it what way :P ;)
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: supergills on March 15, 2013, 01:39:11 AM
I have to say I am absolutely livid about this.  I also upgraded from within the product and, despite what others may or may not claim, I was not offered any option to decide whether to install Chrome or not, nor was there any indication that Chrome would be installed.
As a software developer of over 20 years I find this kind of practice completely unpalatable and unprofessional.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: iroc9555 on March 15, 2013, 02:28:49 AM
Default or custom installation. Win XP, Vista, W7, or 8. Clean install or upgrade (within the program). Avast! always shows the window where it offers Google Toolbar and Chrome. If it is a clean install, it shows it at the beggining. See screenshot ( It is in Spanish because I am in S.A. ). If it is an upgrade, after reboot (Sorry don't have an image for it).

If it does not show it, something was not right with the install and it is better to either reinstall Avast! or run an Avast! Repair.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: cooby on March 15, 2013, 02:50:34 AM
Default or custom installation. Win XP, Vista, W7, or 8. Clean install or upgrade (within the program). Avast! always shows the window where it offers Google Toolbar and Chrome. If it is a clean install, it show it at the beggining. See screenshot ( It is in Spanish because I am in S.A. ). If it is an upgrade, after reboot (Sorry don't have an image for it).
Correct. Same here. The option is always shown after a reboot which is always required on new version. Just uncheck as shown in the screenshot above and it will not install Chrome.

And yes, I, too, wish Avast would remove the Chrome suggestion.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: mjt on March 15, 2013, 01:34:42 PM
I also upgraded from within the product and, despite what others may or may not claim, I was not offered any option to decide whether to install Chrome or not, nor was there any indication that Chrome would be installed.
As a software developer of over 20 years I find this kind of practice completely unpalatable and unprofessional.
I totally agree. I had exactly the same experience. Running Win7 Proff. When the update window presented there was no option NOT to install Chrome nor any indication that it was being installed, other than that the update took a very long time.

It is totally unacceptable to silently install unwanted software. I presume Avast have some tie-up with Google that makes them money each time Chrome is installed. Personally I will never purchase software from any company that operates in this way.

I've also been getting very hacked off with Avast Software Updater, another piece of unwanted software that was similarly silently included in the update. I have now uninstalled it as I already have my software set up to notify me of updates.

It's not that long ago that there was a lot of criticism about Avast updating to the full trial version without offering an obvious choice (there was one but you had to jump through a few hoops to find it). One would have thought they would have learnt lessons from that. I really don't know why they still think doing these kinds of things is a good idea. I'm seriously considering junking Avast in favour of MSE, which I'm already trialling on another computer.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: schmidthouse on March 15, 2013, 04:56:54 PM
Unpalatable, Unprofessional, Unacceptable????
Well it seems to me to be such a 'small thing' to get so bent out of shape about. ::)
In my over 20 years on computers, I have had tool bars and crap etc. installed without my noticing (no often, but occasionally) and I simply go to programs and "uninstall them"
Geeez whatever!
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: mjt on March 15, 2013, 05:20:49 PM
Yes, unpalatable, unprofessional and unacceptable!

I've no quibble with Avast pushing this software in order to make some money out of their free product but I strongly object to them putting it on my machine without my knowledge and consent. It's a question of trust. If Avast breaks that trust I'll simply stop using their product and move elsewhere.

As for your 'toolbars and other crap' I would wager that there was always a checkbox to enable you to refuse if you had stopped to look for it. I can't think of any other software supplier I've used where unwanted additions have been installed without my knowledge. Reputable companies don't generally behave in such an underhand way.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: schmidthouse on March 15, 2013, 05:25:15 PM
Yes, unpalatable, unprofessional and unacceptable!

I've no quibble with Avast pushing this software in order to make some money out of their free product but I strongly object to them putting it on my machine without my knowledge and consent. It's a question of trust. If Avast breaks that trust I'll simply stop using their product and move elsewhere.

As for your 'toolbars and other crap' I would wager that there was always a checkbox to enable you to refuse if you had stopped to look for it. I can't think of any other software supplier I've used where unwanted additions have been installed without my knowledge. Reputable companies don't generally behave in such an underhand way.

Post #7
Chrome isn't installed without anyone's knowledge.
Never Has been for me!
Who's not paying attention ;)
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: mjt on March 15, 2013, 07:30:15 PM
Ok. So where is the option in this screen which comes up when updates are notified from within the application? If you click the Update button for the Essential update it just goes ahead and installs the update plus Chrome and Avast Software Updater with no further user intervention.

Trust me - I do pay attention!
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Gopher John on March 15, 2013, 07:47:51 PM
I've never had it install Chrome for me.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: jbaumann on March 17, 2013, 05:27:23 PM
Chrome isn't installed without anyone's knowledge.
Never Has been for me!
Who's not paying attention ;)

I actually came here to the forum for the first time right now just to complain about the Chrome installation and found this thread.

I had Avast prof. 7 inform me about an available update, so I clicked the "OK, update it" button in the application - then Avast went ahead, did a very lenghty update (without asking any questions) and afterwards I was greeted by a freshly installed Google Chrome (and I did not have Chrome installed until then). So yes, it IS installed without asking the user, at least if you use the update functionality from within Avast.

Not very professional, imo, and makes me think about whether I should really update my subscription (which coincidentally runs out in 20 days). Plainly looks as if Avast is trying to make some extra money on the side from its already paying customers.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Tetsuo on March 17, 2013, 06:28:46 PM
Chrome isn't installed without anyone's knowledge.
Never Has been for me!
Who's not paying attention ;)
I had Avast prof. 7 inform me about an available update, so I clicked the "OK, update it" button in the application - then Avast went ahead, did a very lenghty update (without asking any questions) and afterwards I was greeted by a freshly installed Google Chrome (and I did not have Chrome installed until then). So yes, it IS installed without asking the user, at least if you use the update functionality from within Avast.

Despite what other enthusiastic users might say, you're right, jbaumann. It's not your fault. Since the introduction of Google stuff (i.e. browser and toolbar) in Avast's installers, many users keep coming on the forum at each upgrade asking why they now have Chrome on their system. This is exactly the reason why third party software hidden packaged within an installer should never be pre-checked: something is bound to happen sooner or later and eventually things could go wrong... Obviously, I mean "wrong" for the users not for AVAST Software or Google Inc.

Yeah, the same thing happened to me last year.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Gopher John on March 17, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
FWIW, many of us that have been on the forums for quite a while have requested that any third party software be opt-in, not opt-out.  Thus far, nothing has changed.  Making it opt-in would/should prevent accidental installs, even if one were inattentive.  Either I've been very lucky or very attentive, but Avast installs nor update via AvastUI has ever installed Google Chrome for me.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: chris.. on March 17, 2013, 08:40:23 PM
It would be so nice for all users to choose to check undead to uncheck.
I'm sure there would never topic like this to annoy more or less people....
... but  what about avast & google ? ;)
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: mjt on March 17, 2013, 08:57:56 PM
Either I've been very lucky or very attentive, but Avast installs nor update via AvastUI has ever installed Google Chrome for me.
Well, Gopher John, there are obviously a number of users who've had this happen when allowing Avast to update from within the application and you can see from the screenshot in my post #14 that no option is provided. When the Update button is clicked there are no further prompts, it goes straight to install. I see you have systems with both XP and Win7 which rather rules out the possibility of a different response for each version so how do you explain it?
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Gopher John on March 17, 2013, 09:08:02 PM
Either I've been very lucky or very attentive, but Avast installs nor update via AvastUI has ever installed Google Chrome for me.
Well, Gopher John, there are obviously a number of users who've had this happen when allowing Avast to update from within the application and you can see from the screenshot in my post #14 that no option is provided. When the Update button is clicked there are no further prompts, it goes straight to install. I see you have systems with both XP and Win7 which rather rules out the possibility of a different response for each version so how do you explain it?

See my post in this thread. http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=117411.msg909451#msg909451 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=117411.msg909451#msg909451)  I don't have the reason why my different OS had different responses, but I did offer a speculation as to why.  I just don't know the reason.  Do you?
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: mjt on March 17, 2013, 09:35:08 PM
I've no idea. Your speculation in your other thread seems as good a guess as any.

Maybe the Avast developers are the really unattentive ones and this slipped through due to insufficient testing.

In any event I won't be updating my Avast while there is a risk of it happening again.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Gopher John on March 17, 2013, 10:01:37 PM
I've no idea. Your speculation in your other thread seems as good a guess as any.

Maybe the Avast developers are the really unattentive ones and this slipped through due to insufficient testing.

In any event I won't be updating my Avast while there is a risk of it happening again.

You could update by downloading the installer and do a custom overinstall.  That should give you the option to choose (or not) any module also.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Tetsuo on March 18, 2013, 10:22:09 AM
You could update by downloading the installer and do a custom overinstall.  That should give you the option to choose (or not) any module also.

I agree with you, Gopher John.

Apart from a clean install (which I think it's advisable for major releases, such in this case) downloading the installer and doing a custom over-install  is the best way of upgrading, in my opinion.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: mjt on March 18, 2013, 10:41:56 AM
I see my current registration expires in 58 days so I'll probably wait and do a download and clean install then.

I hope Avast fixes the embedded update for Win7 users though, for the sake of other unsuspecting users.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Tetsuo on March 18, 2013, 10:49:09 AM
By the way, don't forget to do a "custom install" in any case.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: mjt on March 18, 2013, 10:54:10 AM
That's my default position  :)
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Grifter02 on March 18, 2013, 02:24:01 PM
I just made an account to add to this thread. Avast update installed Chrome on my machine without giving me an option as well. After clicking on the update button I was not presented with any other options and after rebooting to finish the installation I had Google Chrome installed and set as my default browser.

There was absolutely no option for whether to install Chrome or not for me. I'm not some computer illiterate who doesn't know how to use the custom install options, I was not given an option at all.

In reply to schmidthouse, as far as it being a "small thing" to get bent out of shape over, I have installed this software on over 20 machines for people who don't know how to use computers and now I will have to visit every one of them to uninstall Chrome when they call me asking why their browser doesn't have their bookmarks or their normal homepage anymore.

Thanks a lot Avast!  >:(

EDITED to seem less like an attack on schmidthouse, that was not my intention but it read that way initially.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: bob3160 on March 18, 2013, 02:41:43 PM

@Grifter02
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now I will have to visit every one of them to uninstall Chrome when they call me asking why their browser doesn't have their bookmarks or their normal homepage anymore!
You could simply change the default browser setting back to the original default browser. Once done, things will be back to normal and,
If you want to still get rid of Chrome, so be it.
I don't get the option to uncheck chrome because Chrome is installed on my system.
I did get the option when I installed avast! on a system that never had Chrome installed.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Grifter02 on March 18, 2013, 02:59:43 PM

@Grifter02
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now I will have to visit every one of them to uninstall Chrome when they call me asking why their browser doesn't have their bookmarks or their normal homepage anymore!
You could simply change the default browser setting back to the original default browser. Once done, things will be back to normal and,
If you want to still get rid of Chrome, so be it.
I don't get the option to uncheck chrome because Chrome is installed on my system.
I did get the option when I installed avast! on a system that never had Chrome installed.

With some people, even something as simple as changing the default browser is a chore over the phone ;)

I don't see how having had Chrome installed in the past, but not currently, gives Avast the right to re-install it on my machine without asking.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: bob3160 on March 18, 2013, 03:06:23 PM

@Grifter02
Quote
now I will have to visit every one of them to uninstall Chrome when they call me asking why their browser doesn't have their bookmarks or their normal homepage anymore!
You could simply change the default browser setting back to the original default browser. Once done, things will be back to normal and,
If you want to still get rid of Chrome, so be it.
I don't get the option to uncheck chrome because Chrome is installed on my system.
I did get the option when I installed avast! on a system that never had Chrome installed.

With some people, even something as simple as changing the default browser is a chore over the phone ;)

I don't see how having had Chrome installed in the past, but not currently, gives Avast the right to re-install it on my machine without asking.
I can't answer for avast. I don't work for them. I'm only offering an explanation as to why it happens.
If the registry still indicates that Chrome is installed, then there isn't really any need to ask about Chrome since it's already being used.
That's only my personal opinion.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: RejZoR on March 18, 2013, 03:51:51 PM
Well, you don't really have to go to that user, just use Remote Assistance and you can do that task remotely...
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Grifter02 on March 18, 2013, 04:55:41 PM
Well, you don't really have to go to that user, just use Remote Assistance and you can do that task remotely...

Thanks, but I wasn't really here to get advice on how to fix people's computers. I was just venting about the fact that it needs to be done at all, with a little hyperbole thrown in to make a point.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: schmidthouse on March 18, 2013, 04:57:28 PM
In reply to schmidthouse, as far as it being a "small thing" to get bent out of shape over, I have installed this software on over 20 machines for people who don't know how to use computers and now I will have to visit every one of them to uninstall Chrome when they call me asking why their browser doesn't have their bookmarks or their normal homepage anymore.

Thanks a lot Avast!  >:(

EDITED to seem less like an attack on schmidthouse, that was not my intention but it read that way initially.

Fair enough. But I would hazzard a guess that most Avast users 'don't' have 20 machines to deal with.
In any case as far as your situation is concerned I can understand the unfortunate hassle this could cause.
Possibly the 'Remote Assistance' suggested in previous post could be an alternate option to physically visiting each machine/person. :)
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: timbirr on May 19, 2013, 01:07:58 AM
1) Have used FREE Avast for about 10 years

2) Know how to "custom install."

3) Neither of my boxes have ever had Chrome installed. Both are less than six months old.

4) Updated when prompted by AVAST 7.  Returned to find Chrome installed and default on both boxes.

5) Have several relatives who have no computer skills that I installed AVAST on their boxes.  I will have to go and UNINSTALL Chrome for them.

Yeah, thanks, AVAST! NOT!
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Aventador on May 19, 2013, 02:04:13 AM
1) Have used FREE Avast for about 10 years

2) Know how to "custom install."

3) Neither of my boxes have ever had Chrome installed. Both are less than six months old.

4) Updated when prompted by AVAST 7.  Returned to find Chrome installed and default on both boxes.

5) Have several relatives who have no computer skills that I installed AVAST on their boxes.  I will have to go and UNINSTALL Chrome for them.

Yeah, thanks, AVAST! NOT!

Wow............... Didn't realize that Chrome (being the best and safest browser) was such so hard to uninstall. By "boxes" do you mean virtual boxes? Or are you referring to your pc tower as a box?
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Para-Noid on May 19, 2013, 03:32:16 AM
I might be missing something here. Chrome is extremely light, fast and very secure.
To me, so what if you have to spend 3-5 minutes uninstalling Chrome.

I do agree and have voiced my opinion that Chrome/Google Toolbar/Google Drive should be opt-in and not opt-out.
However the people who make those decisions are higher up the food chain than any of us here.  :)
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Aventador on May 19, 2013, 05:26:39 AM
I might be missing something here. Chrome is extremely light, fast and very secure.
To me, so what if you have to spend 3-5 minutes uninstalling Chrome.

I do agree and have voiced my opinion that Chrome/Google Toolbar/Google Drive should be opt-in and not opt-out.
However the people who make those decisions are higher up the food chain than any of us here.  :)

Takes a mere 3-5 seconds to uninstall Chrome. I already have Google Drive and I use it daily to sink files to my iPhone.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: abruptum on May 19, 2013, 08:55:49 AM
Google Chrome is very light,very fast and very secure turbo spyware.
There are many leftovers after uninstallation of Chrome and Google toolbar.
Main reason why I hate Chrome is lack of permanent bookmarks sidebar.
Browser without bookmarks sidebar is not browser at all in my opinion.
Google Toolbar is even worse spyware.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Aventador on May 19, 2013, 01:33:34 PM
Google Chrome is very light,very fast and very secure turbo spyware.
There are many leftovers after uninstallation of Chrome and Google toolbar.
Main reason why I hate Chrome is lack of permanent bookmarks sidebar.
Browser without bookmarks sidebar is not browser at all in my opinion.
Google Toolbar is even worse spyware.
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Lol. Google is spyware. And I'm the Pope. Chrome does have bookmarks on the side. They also have it as on option to show as a bar. There are also tons of add ons  for bookmarks. I have my bar hidden. Open a new tab and presto. There's all my bookmarks. It's that easy. Clearly you never used Chrome.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: abruptum on May 19, 2013, 01:43:53 PM
OK, you are the Pope then.
Do you even know what is PERMANENT bookmarks sidebar?
I wasn't talking about toolbar,but about SIDEBAR.
Chrome users are waiting bookmarks sidebar for years.
I am proud to say that I'm Google free last 6 months.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Aventador on May 19, 2013, 02:00:00 PM
Lol. Even Firefox did away with sidebar bookmarks by default. Why? More Real estate. You must be an IE lover stuck in the past.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: abruptum on May 19, 2013, 02:05:57 PM
What are you talking about?
My default browser is Pale Moon.Second is Firefox,then Opera.
IE10 is last resort.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: bob3160 on May 19, 2013, 02:09:31 PM
Lol. Even Firefox did away with sidebar bookmarks by default. Why? More Real estate. You must be an IE lover stuck in the past.
@Aventador,
Please stop trying to antagonize the person who started this topic.
Like you Chrome is my default and chosen browser that however isn't everyone's choice.
It has for a long time been the practice of Avast to offer the Chrome browser, toolbar and more recently Chrome drive during
the install process. Using the custom method of installing avast! affords you the opportunity to uncheck the installation of the Chrome products.
If you inadvertantly missed the options, your only option is to uninstall what you didn't want.





Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Aventador on May 19, 2013, 02:19:47 PM
Bob please. But this constant whining and complaining about Chrome and the Assumption that Google is spying on you is getting pathetic. I am supporting Avast. Like I said a million times Adobe packs things like Norton Secuurty Scan and McAfee Security Scan into there installers. So why don't people complain to them? People complain when it's there own Demise that got then Chrome to begin with.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: abruptum on May 19, 2013, 02:49:19 PM
I was not complaining about option to install Google products with Avast installer.
I was complaining about glorification of worst spying browser ever.Chrome (Chromium)
is just horrible,over-simplified,dumb browser without bookmarks sidebar.Fonts are awful,
pale and tiny.I am waiting for Opera with Blink engine.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: bob3160 on May 19, 2013, 02:58:58 PM
Bob please. But this constant whining and complaining about Chrome and the Assumption that Google is spying on you is getting pathetic. I am supporting Avast. Like I said a million times Adobe packs things like Norton Secuurty Scan and McAfee Security Scan into there installers. So why don't people complain to them? People complain when it's there own Demise that got then Chrome to begin with.
Simple, antagonizing someone doesn't solve their problem. This is a help forum therefore most of those posting in here have a problem.
If you can't help with a problem, simply learn from those that solve the problem.  Ignore the post when you can't help.

Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: timbirr on May 27, 2013, 01:38:12 AM
Let me add another "WHINE."

When CHROME was installed by AVAST (against my wishes), it screwed up my hyperlinks in my word documents.

So, when I clicked on hyperlinks in my word documents, I received an error....

As far as I can figure, Chrome set itself up as the default program for this during the install. When I uninstalled CHROME, there was no longer an association on my computers for this.

It took me a good 10-15 minutes to figure out the problem and reset FireFox as the default.

Thanks again, Avast! :o
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Hiballer on May 27, 2013, 04:17:05 PM
I also got Chrome installed without my having an option to NOT install it.  The checkbox window appeared for about a half-second and then went away while the installer whipped Chrome onto my machine.  I am very unhappy that Avast has made the decision to bundle other software with their own and am thinking seriously about moving on to another A/V product.

Additionally, after the upgrade I am no longer offered the opportunity to renew my registration.  I have no renewal button, only an Upgrade button that doesn't allow the registration of the normal (free) version.  What's up with that?

Bill
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: lukas.hasik on May 27, 2013, 05:15:22 PM
Would it be possible to get Support package or at least setup.log to investigate what and why happened?

thank you
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Hiballer on May 27, 2013, 05:37:55 PM
How about install.log?  I've cut out everything prior to the 26th of May.

Bill
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: mjt on May 27, 2013, 11:27:51 PM
I'm finished with Avast. On advice elsewhere on this forum I have tried downloading and executing a new install rather than an update but in spite of selecting Custom install and Minimal installation the b####y thing still started installing Chrome. Note my next sentence : IT WASN'T IN THE LIST!!!

It wouldn't let me cancel the installation and I couldn't stop it with Task Manager so in desperation I hit the power button. Then when I booted up I had to wait for Windows to repair the installation.  >:(

For those of you who think that Chrome is the best thing since sliced bread let me make it quite clear - I DECIDE WHAT I WANT ON MY COMPUTER!! If Avast can't accept that simple principle then they can go hang. I'm going to switch to MSE.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Aventador on May 27, 2013, 11:35:23 PM
I'm finished with Avast. On advice elsewhere on this forum I have tried downloading and executing a new install rather than an update but in spite of selecting Custom install and Minimal installation the b####y thing still started installing Chrome. Note my next sentence : IT WASN'T IN THE LIST!!!

It wouldn't let me cancel the installation and I couldn't stop it with Task Manager so in desperation I hit the power button. Then when I booted up I had to wait for Windows to repair the installation.  >:(

For those of you who think that Chrome is the best thing since sliced bread let me make it quite clear - I DECIDE WHAT I WANT ON MY COMPUTER!! If Avast can't accept that simple principle then they can go hang. I'm going to switch to MSE.

Add/Remove programs/Uninstall Google Chrome. Its that easy.

FYI.........MSE has an extremely poor detection rate and uses a lot of ram.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Tetsuo on May 28, 2013, 10:42:47 AM
Add/Remove programs/Uninstall Google Chrome. Its that easy.

No, it's not easy at all if you understand what Windows registry is, how it works and how deeply Google installs its stuff on a system, including services and updaters. 
By the way, it'd be greatly appreciated if some users could stop posting such annoying and trolling replies in threads related to the Google stuff issues.

Thanks
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: mjt on May 28, 2013, 11:13:58 AM
It's not just Google either. Nearly all software leaves lots of junk scattered throughout the registry after an uninstall which bloats and fragments it. I used Revo uninstaller to try and remove all the Avast c$$p left over and there was quite a lot of it.

Aventador, you're still missing the point. It should not be necessary to uninstall Chrome. It should be offered as an option, not installed by default.

Whatever the shortcomings of MSE I've installed it and will give it a try. At least it hasn't tried to install a lot of unwanted software!
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Lady Fitzgerald on May 28, 2013, 02:34:36 PM
...FYI.........MSE has an extremely poor detection rate and uses a lot of ram.

I never noticed MSE using excessive RAM but I did notice its detections rates are low (I'm not the only one, it's been getting low ratings in AV reviews), possibly because it doesn't update itself very often, depending on scan on boot settings (which are worthless if one doesn't reboot often).
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: bob3160 on May 28, 2013, 02:39:07 PM
...FYI.........MSE has an extremely poor detection rate and uses a lot of ram.

I never noticed MSE using excessive RAM but I did notice its detections rates are low (I'm not the only one, it's been getting low ratings in AV reviews), possibly because it doesn't update itself very often, depending on scan on boot settings (which are worthless if one doesn't reboot often).
It doesn't use excessive ram but does use more ram and system resources than avast!. Their update rate can't compare with avast!'s streaming update feature.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Arnold72 on May 28, 2013, 10:25:30 PM
...FYI.........MSE has an extremely poor detection rate and uses a lot of ram.

I never noticed MSE using excessive RAM but I did notice its detections rates are low (I'm not the only one, it's been getting low ratings in AV reviews), possibly because it doesn't update itself very often, depending on scan on boot settings (which are worthless if one doesn't reboot often).
It doesn't use excessive ram but does use more ram and system resources than avast!. Their update rate can't compare with avast!'s streaming update feature.

The chances of a safe user coming across any "streamed" update is quite slim.
As for MSE well in the hands of a good safe surfer then detection rates are immaterial.

I have used windows computers for approximately 7 years and never been infected but that is nothing to do with any security installed but browsing habits.

Im not quite certain what sort of internet users need "spectacular" detection rates but its obviously for the wreckless.
But by far MSE is far more stable than avast will ever be.
Just perusing through this forum there are endless tales of blue screens and now chrome being sneaked in through the backdoor.

MSE or any other free av do not do that.
Have a nice day.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: bob3160 on May 28, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
Quote
that is nothing to do with any security installed but browsing habits.
Not to burst your bubble but, there is no such thing as safe surfing.
Websites get infected all the time and it's quite possible for you to go to
one of "your safe sites", get redirected and wind up infected.
That isn't blowing smoke but happens to be fact.

Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Oxa on May 29, 2013, 08:54:46 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with Fred S, mjt, jbaumann, Tetsuo, Grifter02, timbirr, and am just as livid as supergills. (Schmidthouse and others who have suggested that some users are too ignorant to use a custom install or to uncheck the install Chrome option have no idea what the heck they're talking about. There is simply just no option presented when updating via the UI.)


Those who say "just uninstall it" just don't get it. My computer belongs to me, not to Emsisoft Avast. Surreptitiously installing software on my computer and then expecting me to deal with the cleanup is unethical. Sadly, Emsisoft Avast has been guilty of this highly unethical practice for a long time. It was discussed in this forum over a year ago, when they were piggybacking some other Google software on the UI updater. There is absolutely no excuse for this. It would be simple to offer an opt-out with the UI updater. It would also avoid offending loyal users. Emsisoft Avast has offered no explanation why it treats loyal users (those with Avast already installed) different worse than newcomers (those downloading Avast for the first time).
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: bob3160 on May 29, 2013, 09:05:03 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with Fred S, mjt, jbaumann, Tetsuo, Grifter02, timbirr, and am just as livid as supergills. (Schmidthouse and others who have suggested that some users are too ignorant to use a custom install or to uncheck the install Chrome option have no idea what the heck they're talking about. There is simply just no option presented when updating via the UI.)


Those who say "just uninstall it" just don't get it. My computer belongs to me, not to Emsisoft. Surreptitiously installing software on my computer and then expecting me to deal with the cleanup is unethical. Sadly, Emsisoft has been guilty of this highly unethical practice for a long time. It was discussed in this forum over a year ago, when they were piggybacking some other Google software on the UI updater. There is absolutely no excuse for this. It would be simple to offer an opt-out with the UI updater. It would also avoid offending loyal users. Emsisoft has offered no explanation why it treats loyal users (those with Avast already installed) different worse than newcomers (those downloading Avast for the first time).
Where does Emsisoft enter into this equation ???
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Tetsuo on May 29, 2013, 09:15:26 PM
Where does Emsisoft enter into this equation ???

Clearly it was not intentional. The user just accidentally "mistook" Avast Software" for "Emsisoft" (or vice versa) in his post.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: bob3160 on May 29, 2013, 09:16:57 PM
Where does Emsisoft enter into this equation ???

Clearly it was not intentional. The user just accidentally "mistook" Avast Software" for "Emsisoft" (or vice versa) in his post.
That's a heck of a typing error.....
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Tetsuo on May 29, 2013, 09:18:17 PM

That's a heck of a typing error.....

C'mon, not a big deal in the general context of his post!
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: bob3160 on May 29, 2013, 09:23:12 PM
This question is usually best answered by the author. :)
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: Arnold72 on June 02, 2013, 01:37:24 AM
Yet again a perfectly legitimate thread has sunk into a battle of personal criticism.

Emsisoft is mentioned and all hell breaks loose.
This really is taking fanboyism to the extreme. :o
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: HalloweenWeed on June 05, 2013, 02:44:01 AM
I too am upset by the invasive install of Chrome and also: "ASPCA We-care reminder"!
To be fair, it is possible that the "ASPCA We-care reminder" came from the upgrade of FoxIt reader - I'm not sure.
In any case, Avast has overstepped it's bounds. I have been a paying customer of Avast for a couple of years now - on three computers, and that is coming to an end. Avast is supposed to scan for PUP, and it gave me one! That is unforgivable. I am livid that Avast would do this - even if the "ASPCA We-care reminder" was from FoxIt reader.
I will NEVER give Avast a dime of my money again. I paid them so they would not resort to adware nor nag screens, and look what I get for it. We are done Avast.
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: schmidthouse on June 05, 2013, 03:04:41 AM
SNIP> (Schmidthouse and others who have suggested that some users are too ignorant to use a custom install or to uncheck the install Chrome option have no idea what the heck they're talking about. There is simply just no option presented when updating via the UI.)
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To set the record straight, in the 6 posts/replies I've offered early in this thread, I have never suggested, implied or stated anyone to be "too ignorant to use a custom install or to uncheck the install Chrome option"  ::)
I have simply stated my experience with the "install Chrome option".
That's the fact. :)
Title: Re: WHY is Chrome a part of Avast 8 installer?
Post by: waking on June 05, 2013, 03:24:50 AM
I never noticed MSE using excessive RAM but I did notice its detections rates are low (I'm not the only one, it's been getting low ratings in AV reviews), possibly because it doesn't update itself very often, ...

My impression is that its biggest weakness is in the detection of zero-day threats, where it lags behind most other AVs. Its detection rate for "widespread and prevalent malware" - which usually is signature-based - is at or about 100%. So I don't think the frequency of its updates is a major factor in its poor showing.