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Title: Google Chrome???
Post by: WTOverdrive on April 08, 2013, 04:45:04 AM
I have been in the IT industry since before viruses were transmitted only by passing a corrupted 5.25" floppy.  Uh, I don't think there were viruses then....  hmmm.  I've watched the industry change from mainframes to the first crude PC's to the internet and now an environment where everyone is trying to get information on everyone.  In fact, when I first started writing code, the big "fear" was that information was going to be the new commodity.  How accurate those predictions became.

With the concern these days over that very topic, and because this website is dedicated to a company that promotes security, it is extremely interesting to note that one of the things you are asked to install in addition to the virus protection is Google Chrome.  Seriously?  Google Chrome is from Google.  Google is a company that is dedicated to finding out everything it can about what you do on line, what you do privately, where you go and any other thing that could possibly be sold to anyone else.  So why Chrome?  Even the Android OS for cell phones is mining data about your travels, and that is only the stuff we know for sure about.  Every time it gets 50 new GPS locations, it phones home with those, what WIFI outlets are available and texting/telephone usage.  Anyone that uses Google for anything, is only asking to give up any hope of privacy in every area that they allow to be opened.

So, Avast... why Chrome? 
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Pondus on April 08, 2013, 12:16:07 PM
you are not the first to question this.....so you find more info if you search

Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: ianmcqui on April 09, 2013, 03:54:40 PM
Nice to hear others express the same opinion that it's just spyware for Google, gets hijacked by any browser hijacker and tool bar as well!

Regards, Ian.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: abruptum on April 09, 2013, 04:35:18 PM
I don't have any product by Google.
Chrome is spyware.Google IE Toolbar is turbo spyware.
You cannot fully uninstall any Google product.I had to use
uninstaller software,1-Click Cleaner,CCleaner,1-Click Maintenance etc.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Para-Noid on April 09, 2013, 11:22:55 PM
FYI all search engines glean any information they can. Yahoo/Bing are two others than come to mind.
There is an option to opt-out of Chrome. I must admit I wish it would be opt-in "not" opt-out.

edit: I use Chrome and I don't care if they use my search activity. I don't do anything immoral or illegal.  8)
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Aventador on April 10, 2013, 12:16:36 AM
LOL..............You work in IT? Yeah right. And I am Bill Gates. Google Chrome is the safest and fastest web browser available. Do you homework before making such accusations. Any IT Guru knows that Chrome is the best browser to use and also knows how to install software CAREFULLY. Its called unchecking what you do not want. Dont blame Avast for your click happy behavior. Instead thank them for recommending Google Chrome and trying to make your whole online experience safer.

FYI............I work in IT. I also run a home pc repair business. Every customer who does not use Chrome gets it installed with a tutorial on why.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Para-Noid on April 10, 2013, 12:46:02 AM
Every customer who does not use Chrome gets it installed with a tutorial on why.
You install Chrome "without" consulting the customer?  ???
That's worse than an opt-out policy.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: -midnight on April 10, 2013, 01:19:09 AM
I don't use or like Google Chrome but I do like and use gmail.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Aventador on April 10, 2013, 02:29:14 AM
Every customer who does not use Chrome gets it installed with a tutorial on why.
You install Chrome "without" consulting the customer?  ???
That's worse than an opt-out policy.

Wow...............Please think before responding. The majority of malware cases I see come from IE users. Most of the time IE cannot be uninstalled.  When I am done removing malware I update Windows, update all Adobe and Java products. Install CCCleaner. Update the resident AV. If AV is expired or lack of an AV I install Avast. I then install Google Chrome and import all settings and bookmarks. I educate the customer on safe surfing and show them Chrome. If they do not like it the don't have to use it. No one forces anyways to use anything. The same people that complain about Chrome are the same morons who wonder how McAfee Security Scan and Norton Security Scan get installed onto there desktops. Why don't they complain to Adobe when these products get installed? How do they get installed anyways? By click happy morons. Next, next and next with even seeing what they are installing. Do you always sign paper work without reading the fine print? People love to blame others for there own ignorance.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: ScaleCraft on April 10, 2013, 03:45:24 AM
Obviously you don't have much experience with gates8. Have a friend with a new laptop with gates8, did something, and not only is IE gone, he pulled the hard drive, had a friend who works for....well, they did the forensic analysis looking for any trace of IE, and it was gone.
Probably part of the EU lawsuit.
I refuse to use chrome. Chrome went out of style after the 1958 Buick.
FireFox, yes, but google is probably THE most invasive, right up there next to MicroSlime.
Yahoo, not nearly so much. Their BIG issue is e-mail hacking.
How many hacked e-mail spams do you get from a yahoo account?
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Aventador on April 10, 2013, 04:58:16 AM
Chrome out of style.............Seriously?  IE is out of style if anything since it was the first browser. Why would I see any Win 8 problem computers? Any of those under warranty right now.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: ScaleCraft on April 10, 2013, 06:00:28 AM
Chrome out of style.............Seriously?  IE is out of style if anything since it was the first browser. Why would I see any Win 8 problem computers? Any of those under warranty right now.

Obviously, and I mean really obviously, you didn't read that. Use your favourite google, and look up a 1958 Buick. Find out what I said about chrome being out of style.
Just wait on gates8.
It is a fiasco.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Para-Noid on April 10, 2013, 03:43:02 PM
Every customer who does not use Chrome gets it installed with a tutorial on why.
You install Chrome "without" consulting the customer?  ???
That's worse than an opt-out policy.
1) I then install Google Chrome and import all settings and bookmarks.
2) I educate the customer on safe surfing and show them Chrome.
3) If they do not like it the don't have to use it.
4)No one forces anyways to use anything.
1)The point being is that you install Chrome before consulting your customers.
2) You then "instruct" your customers on safe browsing.
3) If they do not like/want it...why install Chrome in the first place?
4) Are you not forcing "your" Chrome install on them?

With that attitude I would refuse to take my machine to you.
No one installs anything "without" my permission. Period
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Nagan on April 10, 2013, 04:27:01 PM
Avast recommends Chrome cause its SAFE? C'mon who's kidding whom? It is a truth that none  wants to antagonize GOOGLE because of the search empire it monopolizes.
Most recommend chrome out of no choice?
 Funny , Gates and Oracle are bringing a suit against Google in EU on unfair trade practices charge. Finally Gates is beaten at his own game.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: tonialb on April 10, 2013, 04:54:01 PM
Hi.

Regarding to Google Empire :D. I've noticed AvastUI.exe stay connected with www.google-analytics.com. I tried to terminate the connection with it, but after a while it appears again in Avast Network Shield without opening any Internet browser. It happens only in one PC where AvastIS 8 is installed.
On other computers, with Comodo IS 6 installed, this is not happening.

Is this normal?! ::)
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: jwa on April 10, 2013, 05:33:38 PM
Quote
Yeah right. And I am Bill Gates. Google Chrome is the safest and fastest web browser available.

Avast includes Chrome because It's secure in regards to Malware etc and more importantly because they get paid to do it.

I think what is being complained about is not the security of Chrome but the data mining performed by Google itself.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: zenzor on April 10, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
Hi.

Regarding to Google Empire :D. I've noticed AvastUI.exe stay connected with www.google-analytics.com. I tried to terminate the connection with it, but after a while it appears again in Avast Network Shield without opening any Internet browser. It happens only in one PC where AvastIS 8 is installed.
On other computers, with Comodo IS 6 installed, this is not happening.

Is this normal?! ::)

I'd like to know that too...
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: abruptum on April 10, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
Google Analytics spying us through Avast?
How to stop it? I cannot reproduce that,maybe because
I have adblockers for all browsers.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Aventador on April 10, 2013, 10:55:06 PM
Pathetic responses from paranoid people. What do you have to hide? I do not have any Google Analytics calling home.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Aventador on April 10, 2013, 10:59:59 PM
Every customer who does not use Chrome gets it installed with a tutorial on why.
You install Chrome "without" consulting the customer?  ???
That's worse than an opt-out policy.

LOL............Your replies are too funny. What are you gonna do call every single customer. Its a simple browser that can very easily uninstalled. You act like its a permanent thing. Are you forgetting that I also set it up from to try? If they don't like it they don't have to use it. Gezzz.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: abruptum on April 10, 2013, 11:10:35 PM
You are right...I am paranoid,but that still
doesn't mean Google is "good".
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: polonus on April 10, 2013, 11:59:54 PM
Google Chrome's core business is data mining and while a majority of users came to "google" Google sits on an enormous data-mountain and is selling this information to the highest bidder.
All others do likewise and they interlink and they sell user profiles and earn on clicks. This is all going on in a stealthy way through obfuscated javascripts with multi-user hacks to get a better performance, sneaky web beacons, hidden iFrames and a lot of other techniques helped by technologies like browser and other fingerprinting and geo-location so "every" user on the interwebs is utterly and completely transparent nowadays.

So, yes, Google is a big player there, but your hoster may be doing it, a website you are visiting, your ISP, etc. etc.
I for instance work Google Chrome via Privacy Guard and a couple of extensions to diminish tracking. I tweaked the browser quite to my liking.
Cache cleaning via Click and Clean is quite effective. A pity is that there is no access to deeper layers of the browser build like as with firefox, and api's are Google's and a lot there has not been made available. It is also shown that Google Chrome is not very fond of ad-blockers (it will cost a lot of effort to let an adblocker function on a Google driven smartphone, because ad blocking is hampering Google's core business).

We can point the finger at Google but all are into it, a question of the pot calling the kettle black (see image).

Google also made the Internet a safer place with Google Safebrowing and Unmasked parasites and their active browser security technology,

polonus
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: tonialb on April 11, 2013, 01:07:13 AM
On Avast IS 7, which just installed, this "Google Analytic" issue doesn't appear! :o
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Born To Be Wild on April 11, 2013, 02:51:51 AM
I have been in the IT industry since before viruses were transmitted only by passing a corrupted 5.25" floppy.  Uh, I don't think there were viruses then....  hmmm.  I've watched the industry change from mainframes to the first crude PC's to the internet and now an environment where everyone is trying to get information on everyone.  In fact, when I first started writing code, the big "fear" was that information was going to be the new commodity.  How accurate those predictions became.

With the concern these days over that very topic, and because this website is dedicated to a company that promotes security, it is extremely interesting to note that one of the things you are asked to install in addition to the virus protection is Google Chrome.  Seriously?  Google Chrome is from Google.  Google is a company that is dedicated to finding out everything it can about what you do on line, what you do privately, where you go and any other thing that could possibly be sold to anyone else.  So why Chrome?  Even the Android OS for cell phones is mining data about your travels, and that is only the stuff we know for sure about.  Every time it gets 50 new GPS locations, it phones home with those, what WIFI outlets are available and texting/telephone usage.  Anyone that uses Google for anything, is only asking to give up any hope of privacy in every area that they allow to be opened.

So, Avast... why Chrome?

Because Google pays very well to be there.
For example Google pays millions to be default search engine in Opera and Mozilla Firefox and to have their "features" like geo location or safe browsing On.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Google This is nothing new. And if Google wants more something that gives them precious information Google buys it (for example Recapcha service).
I'm surprised that you're are surprised... today, while it's many years now.

Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Nagan on April 11, 2013, 03:22:13 AM
I have been in the IT industry since before viruses were transmitted only by passing a corrupted 5.25" floppy.  Uh, I don't think there were viruses then....  hmmm.  I've watched the industry change from mainframes to the first crude PC's to the internet and now an environment where everyone is trying to get information on everyone.  In fact, when I first started writing code, the big "fear" was that information was going to be the new commodity.  How accurate those predictions became.

With the concern these days over that very topic, and because this website is dedicated to a company that promotes security, it is extremely interesting to note that one of the things you are asked to install in addition to the virus protection is Google Chrome.  Seriously?  Google Chrome is from Google.  Google is a company that is dedicated to finding out everything it can about what you do on line, what you do privately, where you go and any other thing that could possibly be sold to anyone else.  So why Chrome?  Even the Android OS for cell phones is mining data about your travels, and that is only the stuff we know for sure about.  Every time it gets 50 new GPS locations, it phones home with those, what WIFI outlets are available and texting/telephone usage.  Anyone that uses Google for anything, is only asking to give up any hope of privacy in every area that they allow to be opened.

So, Avast... why Chrome?

Because Google pays very well to be there.
For example Google pays millions to be default search engine in Opera and Mozilla Firefox and to have their "features" like geo location or safe browsing On.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Google This is nothing new. And if Google wants more something that gives them precious information Google buys it (for example Recapcha service).
I'm surprised that you're are surprised... today, while it's many years now.
I am not too sure of Google paying, esp your info on Firefox default search engine. If you look closely there are other search engines in the dropdown and any silly software worth its name can also stealthily (example speedbit) install itself there and become the default engine. Google is at the top and hence its place in the order and it instead serves Firefox.

 Coming to the core issue , it is not between agreements between vendors. AVAST is a security software and is supposed to be above board especially with its choice of partners and cannot in any way associate with anything/anyone  which could possibly be even a remote intrusion into the user/user habits.

 Heard of AVIRA (supposed to be at one among the top antivirus few years ago). Now they are in dumps thanks to the first unwise move of promoting a known ad spyer software with their program.
Title: Re: Google Chrome???
Post by: Aventador on April 11, 2013, 12:17:29 PM
Isn't anyone aware of "Do Not Track Me" add on? Or Chromes "ingonito mode"?