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Title: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: TAP on March 26, 2005, 08:42:47 AM: AVG Personal Security Beta

The AVG Personal Security Edition offers the standard AVG Professional functionality plus a brand new personal firewall. The firewall was designed with focus on easy of use and configuration. Even an unexperienced user should be able to configure the firewall to provide reliable protection against external threats. At the same time, the firewall should not present an obstacle in everyday computer usage, forcing the end user to answer questions that he or she can't understand and answer properly. Yet even advanced user will find most of the "bells and whistles" that they know from other firewall products.

This is a first beta version that is intended primarily for preview. We DO NOT recommend to install this version on a mission critical or production machines! Moreover, this version is intended for Windows 2000 and Windows XP operating systems ONLY! Future versions will support Windows 98 and Windows Me, too - but this version DOES NOT. Before installing this beta version, please, read the installation instructions! We also strongly recommend that you download and go through the manual.

You can download both the installation package and installation instructions from the Downloads section. The appropriate license number is included in the installation package.

http://gappa2.grisoft.cz/freebugs/
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Lisandro on March 26, 2005, 11:47:43 AM: Seem the guys from Grisoft started before ;D ;D
Will we run faster now? ;)

Will this suite be for free (home user)?
Can the user continue to use standalone (antivirus and firewall) products?
Won't it be a bloatware? :P
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: TAP on March 26, 2005, 12:37:02 PM: I tested it and I totally didn't like it. :(

I think AVG's interface is more cumbersome than it should be and I don't
know if those cumbersome configurations would help AVG gets more robustness.
But I don't think AVG is a bad product as some people always say, it's good enough to protect its users anyway.

On my machine avast! is light and doesn't slow down as AVG but avast! has many more strong features that really help avast! gets more efficiency so I have no reasons to look back to AVG anymore. :)
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Lisandro on March 26, 2005, 12:55:38 PM: Quote from: TAP on March 26, 2005, 12:37:02 PM
But avast! has many more strong features that really help avast! gets more efficiency so I have no reasons to look back to AVG anymore. :)

I think exactly the same 8)
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: techie101 on March 27, 2005, 07:13:15 PM: Quote
Seem the guys from Grisoft started before ;D ;D
Will we run faster now? ;)
Yes, Grisoft and AVG believe in "future development". I had sent something to the Avast guys on a promising firewall that had the code for purchase. I thought that it might be a great addition to Avast but have heard nothing further on it. I am not in favor of an all inclusive module (AV and FW) but a combo pack from the same vendor is always a good idea.

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Will this suite be for free (home user)?
First release of the Beta version AVG Personal Security Edition is available for download and tests. Beta version of the AVG Personal Security Edition works only with Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
If AVG is true to form, the final will be a suite with some advanced features disabled, very similar to what we have with Avast Home and Pro.

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user continue to use standalone (antivirus and firewall) products?
This is most likey, but if the suite works out, then "support" of the older configurations may cease in lieu of the newer package.

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t be a bloatware? :P
Only use will tell. ::)
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Staind on March 28, 2005, 04:52:56 AM: I have an odd feeling that since I don't trust AVG AV, I won't trust their Firewall either. :)
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: xistenz on March 28, 2005, 10:13:30 AM: They claim that the new firewall is easy to use for new users. Hah! I still havn't figured out how it works yet.

I'll stick with Sygate and avast!
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Culpeper on April 03, 2005, 05:07:27 PM: Computer Associates has the only decent firewall and AV combination in the form of Etrust. Never used the firewall but I have used their AV quite a bit and like its simplicity and protection. If I had to purchase a firewall as well as AV program it would be Etrust.

As an aside:

If you know where to look Etrust always offers a one year subscription for their AV program for free too. You just need to know where it is located this year. Just do a Google search on "ez antivirus microsoft"

Both EZ AV and Avast are both great programs. One is basic and dependable and the other very aggressive and not for the beginner. I always recommend one or the other depending on the person.
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: xistenz on April 03, 2005, 05:38:38 PM: I have used an old version of their firewall, and it was exactly the same as ZoneAlarm. So why pay for something when you can get the exact same thing for free? >:(
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Culpeper on April 04, 2005, 12:07:02 AM: Different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Culpeper on April 04, 2005, 05:46:09 AM: Quote from: xistenz on April 03, 2005, 05:38:38 PM
I have used an old version of their firewall, and it was exactly the same as ZoneAlarm. So why pay for something when you can get the exact same thing for free? >:(

I added a little tidbit in my post above concerning the "free" thing.
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Staind on April 06, 2005, 02:23:32 AM: The firewall is also free (there is also a pay version), similar to Zone Alarm. Basically, I think it's Zone Alarm with a few extra style changes.
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: pk on April 06, 2005, 02:37:27 AM: avg firewall is a big joke - you'd have to be a fool to trust it !!
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Lisandro on April 06, 2005, 05:46:43 PM: Quote from: pk on April 06, 2005, 02:37:27 AM
avg firewall is a big joke - you'd have to be a fool to trust it !!

Why?
As a member of Alwil, we expect a 'technical' description ;)
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: StyleWarz on April 06, 2005, 05:56:51 PM: Quote from: Technical on April 06, 2005, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: pk on April 06, 2005, 02:37:27 AM
avg firewall is a big joke - you'd have to be a fool to trust it !!

Why?
As a member of Alwil, we expect a 'technical' description ;)
Because their AV isn't preforming to good as well ;) :P
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Lisandro on April 06, 2005, 07:42:48 PM: Quote from: StyleWarz on April 06, 2005, 05:56:51 PM
Because their AV isn't preforming to good as well ;) :P
Oh, this we already know and tested... ;D
What about the new firewall?
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: lukor on April 06, 2005, 08:46:23 PM: Quote from: pk on April 06, 2005, 02:37:27 AM
avg firewall is a big joke - you'd have to be a fool to trust it !!

Hi,
apparently what we have to test is still a beta (or alpha), so we might expect some changes in future. Anyway from what we've seen with pk it seems to be entirely based on user mode filtering in LSP level. This means that Grisoft's DLL is loading itself into every process accessing the net and here it monitors Winsock function calls.

This might sufficiently stop outgoing connection attempts from regular Winsock apps but might provide only very limited low-level firewalling work. It does not protects the tcp stack and cannot stealth ports. Custom (patched) winsock.dll might be also used to prevent the LSP from loading. Also note that TCPIP can be called directly bypassing the winsock and the firewall, so this further limits it's usability. I am not sure (and uninstalled AVGFW already) but I also doubt it can block ICMP traffic.

I must admit however that with the conjunction of Win XP firewall it might provide the outgoing apps control which is missing in the XP2 FW.

Anyway, you can try it on you own and make your own judgments. I can hardly feel as an independent tester and I think we can wait for the final version.
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Lisandro on April 07, 2005, 04:17:53 AM: Quote from: pk on April 06, 2005, 02:37:27 AM
avg firewall is a big joke - you'd have to be a fool to trust it !!
Listen to pk, our firewall guru ;D 8)

Quote from: lukor on April 06, 2005, 08:46:23 PM
Anyway, you can try it on you own and make your own judgments.
No, I won't... Thanks... A lot of problems to workaround...
I've tested the antivirus and won't lose more time.
I've done my judgments by the way they behave with the free AVG version.

Quote from: lukor on April 06, 2005, 08:46:23 PM
I can hardly feel as an independent tester.
Me, less then...
We have license from Vlk to be avast fanatics ;D (haven't we, Vkl?)
I'm much less independent than you 8)
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: kamulko on April 07, 2005, 09:47:53 PM: To ALL Avast! developers:

Please, let be Avast!
ONLY THE BEST AV IN THE WORLD
, not a bundle with Firewall software!!!

Avast! Maniacs Brotherhood ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Dwarden on April 13, 2005, 01:10:06 AM: is it better than latest Kerio PF 4.2.0 beta 5 ?
is it better than latest Tiny Firewall 2005 (6.5.x) ?
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Lisandro on April 13, 2005, 03:06:48 AM: Quote from: Dwarden on April 13, 2005, 01:10:06 AM
is it better than latest Kerio PF 4.2.0 beta 5 ?
is it better than latest Tiny Firewall 2005 (6.5.x) ?

Did you read Lukas' post? Reply #16 to this thread?
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=12338.msg106451#msg106451
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Dwarden on April 15, 2005, 07:34:38 AM: that was rheoric meant ... ie as hint and comment :)) ...
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: StyleWarz on April 16, 2005, 04:36:32 PM: Quote from: Dwarden on April 13, 2005, 01:10:06 AM
is it better than latest Kerio PF 4.2.0 beta 5 ?
is it better than latest Tiny Firewall 2005 (6.5.x) ?

Better use Kerio v4.1.3... Beta 5 has huge issuses regarding peformance...
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Jill on April 30, 2005, 06:14:32 AM: StyleWartz, AVG has served me well. Always.
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: MFB on April 30, 2005, 07:29:10 AM: Quote from: Jill on April 30, 2005, 06:14:32 AM
StyleWartz, AVG has served me well. Always.

Jill your in the Big Leagues now 8)
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: Abraxas on April 30, 2005, 08:47:40 AM: I recently started using AVG free AV. I'm not changing any features of Avast!, they're happily working away in the background . I disabled the resident shield, e-mail scanner, and scheduler in AVG free ED. I only want an alternate ; on demand scanner. AVG has stopped screaming , and I manually update.
This is my first experience with AVG. The Disaster boot disks, are a good idea, no disaster crashes as yet so not sure how effective they are ?
Anyhow sorry I've wandered of topic. ;D
I've tried heaps of combinations, of AV software; and would be at this time very wary of changing to a 'Suite' of Apps. from any single company.
The old combo of Avast! ; ZA, (even though it doesn't recognise any type of AV programs ); Spybot S&D; Ad-Aware SE, Spywareguard,Spywareblaster,Winpatrol, and HJT, do the job. They are the programs I started out with; and after trying other products I've happily returned to this configuration .
Title: Re: AVG goes all-in-one to AVG Personal Security Beta
Post by: MFB on April 30, 2005, 08:54:47 AM: I use to have AVG for almost four month. It was a good AV but it couldn't delete a infected file, I can't even send the file in the quarritine chest. So I got rid of it.