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Title: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 01:56:46 PM
Was it possible to install Avast 7 on a Windows 7 OS?

Is it now possible to install Avast 8 on a Windows 7 OS?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: Asyn on May 31, 2013, 01:57:52 PM
1. Was it possible to install Avast 7 on a Windows 7 OS?
2. Is it now possible to install Avast 8 on a Windows 7 OS?

1. Sure.
2. Yes.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: bob3160 on May 31, 2013, 02:51:46 PM
Was it possible to install Avast 7 on a Windows 7 OS?

Is it now possible to install Avast 8 on a Windows 7 OS?

Thank you.
You can even install it on XP
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 02:58:27 PM
Thank you for the response, but it is specifically Windows 7 that I am interested in.

Might you know whether Avast 6 could have been installed on Windows 7?  Again, my line of questioning is specific to Windows 7.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: Asyn on May 31, 2013, 03:01:33 PM
1. Thank you for the response...
2. Might you know whether Avast 6 could have been installed on Windows 7?

1. You're welcome.
2. Yes. May I ask why you would be interested in V6..!?
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: bob3160 on May 31, 2013, 03:08:49 PM
Thank you for the response, but it is specifically Windows 7 that I am interested in.

Might you know whether Avast 6 could have been installed on Windows 7?  Again, my line of questioning is specific to Windows 7.

Thank you.
What conspiracy theory are you fishing for now ???  :( >:(
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 03:22:36 PM
Right now I am interested in any version that can be installed on Windows 7 and as my research continues I will probably be interested in any version installed on Vista.  But my research can only, at present, be specific to Windows 7, and that is because it is only Windows 7 for which I have of the confirmation at this time.  Confirmation on Vista is pending.

I suspect you will not care to know why I am conducting this research, but you can thank Aventador's persistent posting in that other thread.

You see, Windows Defender is a realtime protection system, yet, according to posts here on this support forum, Avast can run on an operating system where Windows Defender is only inactive, not uninstalled.  The reason for that is obvious -- we cannot uninstall Windows Defender.

The obvious question is why do so many here maintain a realtime protection product must be uninstalled instead of just deactivated so that Avast can run without conflict?  Has Avast written a special code for their products so their products will run with Windows Defender only inactivated, not uninstalled?  And that special code would have been written into Avast 6, as well?

And I just saw that post Mr. Bob and that is very unkind of you and does no credit to this company.  In fact, it is also a slight to that special group you are a member of.  Unfortunately, it isn't a suprise to me.  It might be a surprise to a new member, though.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 04:02:10 PM
Windows Defender on Vista and Win7 is only "AntiSpyware" and will run alongside Avast, we suggest to turn Defender off because it's rubbish.

MSE ( Microsoft Security Essentials ) needs to be removed ( not disabled ) before installing avast on XP - Vista - Win7.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: Gopher John on May 31, 2013, 04:10:56 PM
Windows Defender on Windows 7 and Vista has no parts of it resident when disabled.  Most antivirus programs have drivers resident even when they are disabled; thus there can be conflicts between two antivirus programs.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 04:16:16 PM
Before you posted, Gopher John, I had already grabbed the following:

From this Windows 7 page:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-za/windows7/using-windows-defender

Real-time protection.‍‍ Windows Defender alerts you when spyware attempts to install itself or to run on your computer. It also alerts you when programs attempt to change important Windows settings.

* * * * * * * * *
Now I would like to ask Gopher John what you mean by no parts of it resident?  I don't want to misunderstand you.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: Para-Noid on May 31, 2013, 04:25:47 PM
This might help http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/260844/two-anti-virus/#entry1441638  :)
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 04:39:27 PM
I apologize, but I have read that opinion there and and quite similar posted here and many places, but I am now trying to find out why that opinion doesn't apply to Windows Defender, which we cannot uninstall.

And I am now waiting for Gopher John's answer.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 04:56:35 PM
Do you simply not listen to what has been explained  ::) Windows Defender is Anti-Spyware therefore it does not conflict and as you know it can't be uninstalled on Vista or Win7 but can be disabled.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 05:05:01 PM
I believe that places you in disagreement with Lincoln Spector at PCWorld who wrote the following on April 20th, 2011.

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Norton AntiVirus and Windows Defender are both real-time antivirus programs. You should remove one of them.

You'll find that here:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/225240/too_many_AV.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/225240/too_many_AV.html)
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 05:12:10 PM
I believe that places you in disagreement with Lincoln Spector at PCWorld who wrote the following on April 20th, 2011.

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Norton AntiVirus and Windows Defender are both real-time antivirus programs. You should remove one of them.

You'll find that here:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/225240/too_many_AV.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/225240/too_many_AV.html)
You can go searching for all the quotes you want but that isn't going to change the fact that Defender on Vista and Win7 is only Anti-Spyware, the author of that post you quoted " miss quote " was wrong.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 05:16:41 PM
I did not misquote that man. 


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Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 05:23:44 PM

From this Windows 7 page:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-za/windows7/using-windows-defender

Real-time protection.‍‍ Windows Defender alerts you when spyware attempts to install itself or to run on your computer. It also alerts you when programs attempt to change important Windows settings.

Anti-spyware also provides alerts when programs attempt to change important Windows settings?
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
It's the author's miss quote so I'd suggest you take the issue up with him because he was the one that was wrong.

I'd also suggest you google for your answers a bit more thoroughly and cross reference the answers you receive as you would have solved this dilemma by yourself if you researched better.

"Note" that Defender never included an Anti-virus until it was released on Windows 8.

 
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 05:29:13 PM

From this Windows 7 page:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-za/windows7/using-windows-defender

Real-time protection.‍‍ Windows Defender alerts you when spyware attempts to install itself or to run on your computer. It also alerts you when programs attempt to change important Windows settings.

Anti-spyware also provides alerts when programs attempt to change important Windows settings?
Yes and ?
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 05:41:45 PM
When you have time I'd be interested to know, craigb, what you think the "other potentially unwanted software" could be in this explanation given below:

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Monitors security-related settings in Windows. Spyware and other potentially unwanted software can change hardware and software security settings, and then collect information that can be used to further undermine your computer's security.

Thank you.

From Microsoft here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-in/windows-vista/understanding-windows-defender-real-time-protection (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-in/windows-vista/understanding-windows-defender-real-time-protection)
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 05:55:00 PM
other potentially unwanted software
Programs that install without your knowledge.

Everything your discussing is already included within avast, Defender has an appalling detection rate and is why we suggest to disable and if wanting extra protection install Malwarebytes or SuperAntiSpyware.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 06:01:34 PM
I apologize for not being clear with the question.

The use of "other" by some engineer(s) at Microsoft, and it is used frequently on that page, means Windows Defender is not just blocking spyware.  Agreed?  So I was wondering, in your opinion, what other malware might they be referring to?
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 06:13:40 PM
You said it yourself "malware" but it's crap at it's job so best off disabled and install something of merit.

I don't believe anything further needs to be discussed here, all your questions have been answered (even if your not willing to believe what is being told to you) and further queries should be directed to your google knowledge base. 
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 06:47:26 PM
I am still waiting for Gopher John's answer.

And I hope that statement doesn't mean you intend to lock this thread.  Was that a statement in your capacity as a moderator?  Or your personal opinion?
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
You said it yourself "malware" but it's crap at it's job so best off disabled and install something of merit.

And I think you are trying to dodge my point, which I am sure you saw.

Windows Defender is doing something other than being an anti-spyware product.  You've just admitted that yourself.

Now when we start to define "malware" we are expanding the field considerably.

So the question stands -- what other malware is Windows Defender blocking?

By the way, your personal opinion as to the merit of a security product is off-topic here.  I am not asking anyone for their views on which anti-virus, anti-spyware, and/or anti-malware product is better than another.

Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 07:01:53 PM
Moderators are Avast staff and it was my personal opinion that you need to move on.

To answer for Gopher John, resident means that there are no low level Anti-virus drivers installed or running since it is Spyware only.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: Johnny4745 on May 31, 2013, 07:02:04 PM
Windows Defender

Windows Defender, formerly known as Microsoft AntiSpyware, is a software product that helps combat malware. Windows Defender was initially an antispyware program; it is included with Windows Vista and Windows 7 and is available as a free download for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. In Windows 8, however, it is upgraded to an antivirus program.

Continued:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Defender
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 07:11:46 PM
So the question stands -- what other malware is Windows Defender blocking?

By the way, your personal opinion as to the merit of a security product is off-topic here.  I am not asking anyone for their views on which anti-virus, anti-spyware, and/or anti-malware product is better than another.
That is what I said to go and Google for yourself ( try googling what is Spyware ), no one here that I know of uses it because it's rubbish, plus this isn't your conspiracy chat site to conjure up all these theories you come up with all the time, Please move on and stop being a pest >:(

As for off topic! you are the one who changed the topic of discussion when you mentioned Defender ( not the topic title is it  ::) )
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 07:14:46 PM
Moderators are Avast staff and it was my personal opinion that you need to move on.

To answer for Gopher John, resident means that there are no low level Anti-virus drivers installed or running since it is Spyware only.

Thank you for the clarification on my question about whether the thread was being locked or not.

To move on, you wrote "since it is Spyware only" but we have established that it is not only a spyware product, before it's change in Windows 8.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 07:23:03 PM
Everything has been answered for you, use google for your research.
 
Time to move on and I'm requesting for this thread to be locked as it's going nowhere and your questions just go on and on and that is not what this forum is for.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 07:26:57 PM
So the question stands -- what other malware is Windows Defender blocking?

By the way, your personal opinion as to the merit of a security product is off-topic here.  I am not asking anyone for their views on which anti-virus, anti-spyware, and/or anti-malware product is better than another.
That is what I said to go and Google for yourself ( try googling what is Spyware ), no one here that I know of uses it because it's rubbish, plus this isn't your conspiracy chat site to conjure up all these theories you come up with all the time, Please move on and stop being a pest >:(

As for off topic! you are the one who changed the topic of discussion when you mentioned Defender ( not the topic title is it  ::) )

I assume you are now trying to taunt me in hopes I will use profanity or some other strange language so you can ask a moderator to close this thread.

To move on to your accusation about Windows Defender making this thread off-tpoic -- that is a sad statement.

The topic is about Windows 7 and as Window Defender cannot be uninstalled from Windows 7 and we are told that Avast works on Windows 7 then we assume the Avast works just fine with Windows Defender only inactive, not uninstalled.  THAT IS ON-TOPIC!

So the obvious next step is to define what exactly Windows Defender does in Windows 7.  I put forth a PC World article and you state that is wrong. 

But by a careful step-by-step process you now admit that Windows Defender does something more than just block spyware, but when pressed on that you start referring to me as a pest.  That is also a sad statement.  It is uncalled for.  I have not denigrated you.  Why do you wish to denigrate me?  Because you don't like my questions?

And we now have a very interesting situation, do we not?  Can Windows Defender be uninstalled in Windows 8?
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
Everything has been answered for you, use google for your research.
 
Time to move on and I'm requesting for this thread to be locked as it's going nowhere and your questions just go on and on and that is not what this forum is for.

Oh my goodness!  Your personal opinion is enough to have a thread locked!?  My goodness!!  That really is sad!!!

Ever thought that maybe you could just stop posting here?  You know, some sort of civil post like:  'I am sorry, but I no longer wish to participate in this discussion.  See you around.'

No, instead you threaten people.  Well, ... I don't know.  So sad is all I can think of right now.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: bob3160 on May 31, 2013, 07:33:11 PM
I've also asked that a Moderator put an end to this "Never Ending Story" starring MannyQ.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: SpeedyPC on May 31, 2013, 07:36:12 PM
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Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 07:44:49 PM
I see.  Being polite doesn't make any difference.  It only matters that one asks only the right questions.  It only matters that one does not displease the certain special group here.  We do not engage in open conversations here unless it meets with the approval of the special group that also is able to ask for certain actions by a moderator. 
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: bob3160 on May 31, 2013, 07:50:12 PM
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that also is able to ask for certain actions by a moderator.
The report to Moderator option is available to all. :)
(http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1370022589932-95064.png)
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 07:58:41 PM
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that also is able to ask for certain actions by a moderator.
The report to Moderator option is available to all. :)
(http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1370022589932-95064.png)

Might I be informed of the exact reason why you asked to have the thread locked?

And would it be safe to assume that the opinions expressed to the moderator by the members of your group carry more weight than that of the average member?

And a member of that special group engages in the discussion in this thread and when it doesn't go the way he wishes he then turns around and calls me names and reports the thread as useless.

That is behaviour which most civil folks frown upon.  We shall see if the company does too.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: SpeedyPC on May 31, 2013, 08:07:39 PM
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that also is able to ask for certain actions by a moderator.
The report to Moderator option is available to all. :)
(http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1370022589932-95064.png)

It call the magic button ManyQs option is available to all (http://freeemoticonsandsmileys.com/3D%20Smileys/3D%20Everyday%20Smileys/wink.gif)
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 08:11:52 PM
Saying your a pest is not name calling as far as I'm concerned, it's stating a fact of your behaviour as all the answers have been given to you yet you fail to see them or look over them simply to continue your posting/questioning which isn't going anywhere.

Malware probably wasn't the correct term to be used as Defender is Spyware alone.

You can direct your further interrogation style questioning to the windows forum as Windows developed Defender so who better to ask.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: ManyQs on May 31, 2013, 08:21:26 PM
I do not believe the moderator here will look kindly upon your behaviour, craigb.  It's appalling.  Now you change a key answer that you provided to me and state that calling me a pest is not name calling becuase it is a fact that I am a pest -- taking your name calling to an even higher level. 

No, I don't think the moderator for this company will put up with your type of behaviour and condone it.  That would place this company in a very bad light.

My questions are valid and just because you would rather denigrate a Microsoft product instead of enaging in civil discussion ... Well, I've already stated it before -- very sad.

And you asked two more members of your group to pile on.  Exemplary behaviour by the members of your special group.
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: -midnight on May 31, 2013, 08:24:07 PM
Reading this thread is almost as much fun as plucking a chicken.   :D ???
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: bob3160 on May 31, 2013, 08:25:36 PM
No one had to be asked. We're simply saying out loud what we've already done through the
Report to Moderator button.
End of discussion from me.  :'(
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2013, 08:41:33 PM
An on an on an on an on it goes ::)

As mentioned-you have a Windows question? go to Windows and ask your question as every answer your given leads to another whole thread length discussion and your wasting our time on your interrogation style questioning when there are people with proper issues to be dealt with.

Any other member that states there opinion here or anywhere does so on there own accord, even though you would like to think so there is no group conspiracy and I'm quite sure the Avast team already knows about your pesting style.

End of discussion from me also.



Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: =SKY= on June 01, 2013, 03:23:14 PM
You can even install it on XP

... and even on Windows 2000 (Thanks God)! ;)

One more kiss for you, Bob! :-*
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: bob3160 on June 01, 2013, 04:13:42 PM
You can even install it on XP

... and even on Windows 2000 (Thanks God)! ;)

One more kiss for you, Bob! :-*
Thank you Sky.  :-*  Gladly accepted and returned. I'm sure Alice doesn't mind. :)
Title: Re: Avast 7 or 8 Installed on Windows 7
Post by: =SKY= on June 03, 2013, 10:32:28 PM
Thank you Sky.  :-*  Gladly accepted and returned. I'm sure Alice doesn't mind. :)

Hi Bob,

I'm sure, too! :)
Otherwise I didn't write that... ;)

...and thank you for the "Return"!

PS: Nice greetings to Alice!

~SKY~