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Title: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Musaran on April 06, 2005, 03:52:04 PM
This thread started as suggestions and comments about the avast systray menu naming and layout, and got a little deeper into interface design.
Summary so far...

General guidelines:
These may be better discussed in the avast! User Interface future... (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=11707) thread.

Suggested interface changes:

Suggested naming changes:
Quote
OriginalSuggestion
"Start avast! Antivirus"File scanner"
"Provider""Service" or "Shield"
"avast! Log Viewer""Event log..."
"Program Settings...""Settings..."
"Updating""Update"
"VRDB""File Recovery Safety" or "File Safety"
"Virus Chest""File Chest" or "Safe Storage Zone"
"iAVS""Known Viruses" (replace or append)
"iNews""Security News" (replace or append)

Common to menu suggestions:
"------------" is  a menu separator.
"->" indicates a submenu.
"(checkmark)" means the item can be checked like a checkbox.
"(radiomark)" means one item can be active in the group.

Systray menu
Quote
avast! Antivirus(optional tile, not selectable)
Open
Settings...
Upgrade to Professional...
Update->
?->or "Help & Documentation", or "Information"
------------
Shieldsaka Provider (optional tile, not selectable)
Overall (status)->(sets all shields at once)
Peer to Peer (status)->
Instant Messaging (status)->
Email (status)->(includes Outlook/Exchange)
Web (status)->
System (status)->
File (status)->
(status) shows the actual status of a Shield.
"VRDB" is controlled by File Shield sensitivity.


Service menu: (wichever)
Quote
Sensitivity(optional tile, not selectable)
Custom (radiomark)
High (radiomark)
Normal (radiomark)
Asleep (radiomark)
Off (radiomark)
--------
Settings...
Assitant...(for email only actually)
Scan...(for file only actually)
Safe Storage Zoneaka Virus Chest (for file only actually)


? menu
Quote
About...
Help
www.avast.comor "Web Site"
(iAVS) Known Viruses
(iNews) Security News
Event Log

Update menu
Quote
Anti-virus->Now
Automatically (checkmark)
(iAVS) Known Viruses->Now
Automatically (checkmark)
File Safety->Now


Please comment if something is not clear: it is probably because of wrong design.


The original content of this first message was moved to my next post.
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: lee16 on April 06, 2005, 04:16:14 PM
These suggestions would probably serve better in the suggestion thread: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=57.195

--lee
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Lisandro on April 06, 2005, 04:27:48 PM
Some things are wrong in the avast! systray context menu layout in my opinion.
These things should be kept short, compact, fast.
Otherwise the user won't bother to read, or not notice what he is looking for.

If the user even read this... well, will he/she read the help file? Will he/she even learn about any computer program?  :-\ ::)
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Musaran on April 06, 2005, 04:40:20 PM
Copied here from original previous message:
Some things are wrong in the avast! systray context menu layout in my opinion.

These things should be kept short, compact, fast.
Otherwise the user won't bother to read, or not notice what he is looking for.

"avast" is repeated 5 times.
One is enough : "About avast! 4...".
Make it bold or something, so that it is understood as the title for the whole menu.

"Start avast! Antivirus"
To "Start" avast would mean that it is was not started, and not protecting.
And this is in fact the file scanner.
I suggest "File scaner".

"avast! Log Viewer"
"Log..." would be too short.
"Event log..." should be enough.

"Program Settings..."
"Settings..." is enough.

"Pause Provider" and "Resume Provider"
These 2 could be just one "Services" menu.
A check mark would mark curently active entries.

"Stop Provider"
A check mark here too would allow to relaunch the service (if technically possible)

The last two could be regrouped in a unique "Service" menu item, with a submenu listing services, and each a submenu with "Suspend"/"Resume"/"Active", "Stop"/"Relaunch" or other action pertaining to the service.

"Updating" submenu
"Update" is repeated, this is useless.
A "Both" entry would be usefull.
"VRDB" could be mentionned also.

"Set/Change Password"
"..." lacks, because it spawns a dialog box.

"avast! Professional Edition Info..."
"Upgrade to avast! Professional Edition..."

Both leading to similar web page...
A unique "About the Professional Edition..." would be enough.

"Stop/Start On-Access protection"
This should be an "All" entry in the "Service" menu(s).


Original message:
These suggestions would probably serve better in the suggestion thread: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=57.195

--lee
Sorry, I overlooked that.
(I wasn't thinking of it as a feature)
I copied the message over there (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=57.msg106394#msg106394), this thread may be closed.
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: igor on April 06, 2005, 04:45:53 PM
Honestly, I really don't see much reason for the suggested changes.
There is one correct note: the ellipsis is missing in the "Set/Change password" item; I have just fixed that. Maybe the "Start avast! Antivirus" should be replaced by something better, we might change it in future.
But that's probably all... I really don't think the rest would help that much to the understanding, in some cases it may even lead to some confision (such as when "Program settings" replaced by "Settings", it's not clear whether it's Program, or Resident protection settings).

Btw, "Program update" always updates the virus database as well, so there's no need to have the "both" option. Also, VRDB doesn't have anything to do with it...
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: neiby on April 06, 2005, 07:01:10 PM
Igor, as a relative newcomer to avast (I've only been using it for a few months) I would like to say that I agree with almost all of musaran's suggestions. With just a few minor tweaks, that menu could be much more clear and concise.
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Musaran on April 06, 2005, 07:04:22 PM
such as when "Program settings" replaced by "Settings", it's not clear whether it's Program, or Resident protection settings).
How clear is it that "Program settings..." relates to "Start avast! antivirus" ?

"Start program" & "Program settings..."
"Start avast! antivirus" & "avast! antivirus settings..."
"Start" & "Settings..."
"avast! antivirus"->("Start","Settings")
Use what you want, but use the same.

By the Way, distinction between program and resident protection is a concept for programmers or system administrators, not for the average user.
Who wants an anti-virus not active ?


Quote
Btw, "Program update" always updates the virus database as well, so there's no need to have the "both" option.
"Program and virus database update"
It is not just being precise, it is also not letting the user believe avast does something stupid (update only the program).
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Lisandro on April 06, 2005, 07:41:19 PM
Musaran, I respect your opinion...
But, you stay here writing and writing about avast and you could take a short time to read something about it.
avast is on more than 20 languages... A little change in English will bring a lot of work to all of us, translators.
Ok, we can improve, thanks for the comments but, as any other newbie, please, don't take it so strong to say you must do that, you should change, this needs to be changed, etc..

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By the Way, distinction between program and resident protection is a concept for programmers or system administrators, not for the average user. Who wants an anti-virus not active ?
In fact not. There are users that want a second (backup) antivirus, non-active.
The two kinds of updates - program and definitions - is well spread in Internet. Tons of applications do that, specially, antivirus, antispywares, etc.

Quote
Btw, "Program update" always updates the virus database as well, so there's no need to have the "both" option.
"Program and virus database update"
It is not just being precise, it is also not letting the user believe avast does something stupid (update only the program).
You can't. Please, be resonable... there are many reasons to do so... The number of letters used there, the non-accented characters in other languages besides English... Well, believe in your team  8)
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Musaran on April 07, 2005, 03:56:33 PM
avast is on more than 20 languages... A little change in English will bring a lot of work to all of us, translators.
If a change is necessary, the work has to be done anyway.
If a change is useless, no need for excuses.
And besides, an anti-virus faces much greater challenges than translation.


Quote
Ok, we can improve, thanks for the comments but, as any other newbie, please, don't take it so strong to say you must do that, you should change, this needs to be changed, etc..
I know been told "you are doing it wrong" by a someone who does nothing of the like is unpleasant.
But when I feel something is wrong enough to go and tell, I just do so straight.
Trying to disguise my thoughts would be obscure, or even lying.

Likewise, I prefer being proved wrong than left in mistake.

Positivate : I wouldn't bother to comment on a bad program. ;)


Quote
The two kinds of updates - program and definitions - is well spread in Internet. Tons of applications do that, specially, antivirus, antispywares, etc.
That means users are more likely to be used to it.
Sadly, it doesn't mean it is a good idea. :( ("program" meaning both)

"Update/Anti-virus" would naturally include both.

It just struck me that "viral database" is obscure. (edit: "iAVS" in fact, even worse)
"virus knowledge", "virus identification" or "virus profiles" are more accessible terms.


Quote
In fact not. There are users that want a second (backup) antivirus, non-active.
Right, I didn't think of that.

Nevertheless, resident protection is part of avast!, not a separate feature.
Reversely, "avast anti-virus" includes all features, not just file scanning.
This should be reflected in the interface layout (not only systray menu).

Currently, a normal click on systray icon brings resident on-access scanner configuration.
Not accessible from there are :
-File scanning.
-General settings (one of them affects mail).
Title: Summary of the sugested layout
Post by: Musaran on April 07, 2005, 03:57:06 PM
Other thoughts about this menu:


Summary of the sugested layout :
Quote
(Menu)(Submenu)
(http://home.etu.unige.ch/~delamar1/icon-avast.gif)(http://somesite/image.gif)avast! 4 Antivirus(tile, not selectable)
About...
Settings...
Upgrade to Professional...
Update->Anti-virus     (or All)
Virus knowledge     (or profiles/identification)
Event Log
Quarantine Zone(Virus Chest)
------------
File Imprint (On Inactivity)->Generate Upon Inactivity (checkmark)
Generate Upon Screen Saver
Off
------------
Generate Now!
Settings...
File Scanner (Running)->Scan...
Pause/Resume
------------
Shields(Provider)(tile, not selectable)
Overall (on)->On (checkmark)
Asleep
Off
--------     (separator from above group)
Settings...
Peer2peer (asleep)->(same submenu)
Instant Messenging (on)->(same submenu)
Email (off)->(same submenu)
Assitant...
Web (on)->(same submenu)
System (on)->(same submenu)(or Machine/???)
------------
Web Site(or www.avast.com)
Help
Open(better name for this ?)


Some say titles in menu are bad.
In this case :


If this menu is too long :


Lastly, I am not sure wether "..." is for...
...spawning dialog boxes ?
...spawing any window ?
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: bob3160 on April 07, 2005, 09:51:55 PM
This almost sounds like:
"If you do it my way, I'll be happy"
"If you don't, I'll write some more."
That's my opinion. :)
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: DavidR on April 07, 2005, 10:08:51 PM
Whilst it is never a good point getting involved in discussions on style/aesthetics/layout etc. there are many differing opinions and none is totally right.

Over the time I have been on these forums there have been a number of suggestion/opinions about the context menu of the avast icon. I myself suggesting adding a link for the help file so people didn't have to open the on-demand scanning to access it.

There have been many other suggestions but for the most part these have been for the inclusion of entries, rather than the removal or re-ordering/rationalising of the context menu. All of those requests/suggestions are equally valid, in their opinion. But to assume that it is wrong just because in your opinion it is wrong.

Sorry, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: kamulko on April 07, 2005, 10:13:53 PM
I like my girlfriend but much more if:
1- eyes like nicole kidman
2- legs like sharon stone
3- lips like monica bellucci
4-bottom like britney spears... on and on and on...  ;D
Why plump for a girl you don't like as it is?
Why use a product if you don't appreciate it?  ;)
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: kamulko on April 07, 2005, 10:15:50 PM
wise words, DavidR...
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Lisandro on April 08, 2005, 12:52:17 AM
I was trying to say the same... but nobody heard me... so  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: neiby on April 08, 2005, 02:18:50 AM
So, are we no longer allowed to make suggestions on the forum? I thought the forum was an excellent place to discuss this sort of thing. I didn't realize that suggestions for improvements were so frowned upon.   ::)

Musaran was simply offering some suggestions and, as a relatively new Avast user, I agree with most of his suggestions. I believe that if his suggestions were implemented, Avast would be easier to use for new users. Obviously, opinions differ, but why be so negative?
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Musaran on April 08, 2005, 03:18:59 AM
Exactly.
Ease of use is my aim, it seems a success here.


"If you do it my way, I'll be happy"
"If you don't, I'll write some more."
It is not my way, what I would want for myself is quite different (and irrealistic).
It is not to make me happy, but most users happier using avast.

I write more to explain more, as necessary.



I like my girlfriend but much more if:
1- eyes like nicole kidman
2- legs like sharon stone
3- lips like monica bellucci
4-bottom like britney spears... on and on and on...  ;D
It is possible and easy to combine the best parts in software, enjoy. :)

Quote
Why use a product if you don't appreciate it?  ;)
Seems you didn't read me...
It is precisely because I appreciate avast that I want to perfect it.



Whilst it is never a good point getting involved in discussions on style/aesthetics/layout etc.
Style & aesthetics, I agree (that is why most controls have a neutral look).
But layout, why ? There is logic in this, not just taste.

Quote
there are many differing opinions and none is totally right.
Some points are better in the suggested layout, with reason :
and more...

I feel these logical improvements outweight matters of taste.

If you think otherwise, can you explain ?
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: bob3160 on April 08, 2005, 03:27:58 AM
neiby
Quote
So, are we no longer allowed to make suggestions on the forum?
That was never said. Of course you can make suggestions. That's how avast! has gotten better.
However if you've made a suggestion and then have it explained to you why some suggestions are good and some things aren't
going to happen and you insist that that's not good enough, Then I guess you can continue to fill up pages
with repeated info that's not going to be listened to.
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: neiby on April 08, 2005, 04:37:42 AM
But Bob, that wasn't what happened as I see it. Someone made some excellent suggestions and he was basically told three things:

1. Avast is just fine as it is
2. You must not appreciate the program
3. We don't like your suggestions therefore you're wrong

Musaran's suggestions are very logical and are based in a solid understanding of ergonomics and interface design, and a few of his suggestions had occurred to me in the past.

As a relatively new user, I was lightly confused by some of the design elements that musaran mentioned. As one example, why is there one interface for on-demand scanning, another style for on-access settings, and another for program settings? This is confusing and does not present a common look. Those three interface styles could be combined to present a single, common main interface from which to interact with Avast.

Another example is "Start Avast! Antivirus" on the menu. That wording makes it appear that Avast isn't running and needs to be started. This is unclear and imprecise. A better menu title would be "On-Demand Scanning" or something like that.

Let's be clear: Avast! is a *great* program! I love it and I recommend it to all my friends and anyone else who will listen.  However, it is not perfect, and interface design is one of the areas in which it could improve. It may be perfectly clear to you who to use it becase you're very familiar with it, but some aspects are a little confusing to new users and they could be improved without negatively impacting the program in other ways.

Regards,
John (who really does love Avast!)

Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Lisandro on April 08, 2005, 04:45:51 AM
All of we are talking the same...
All of we are giving the acceptance for the others opinions...
All of we are just ok: ones giving opinions, others saying they're good, others (like me) saying that they're good but could bring trouble, others don't like...
This is the way to get a long journey  ;D
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Jarmo P on April 08, 2005, 07:48:38 AM
When it comes to the program interface, it is always better to listen to the newbie users.
They know better than the old users who have grown used to the interface.

I agree that the right click menu has too many items, the word avast! is mentioned way too many times, almost all musharan and neiby's comments.

But the interface is not really that bad, I can live with it :)
Main thing is Avast gives us a solid antivirus program.
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: kamulko on April 08, 2005, 01:21:33 PM
There was another topic (closed now) where Musaran says his suggests. I myself said to Musaran: "I've a different opinion, but yours are very interesting"; I think the same as Technical and others: if Musaran have the right to propose his ideas, the same is for who don't agree these arguments. Thanks God, everyone has the right to maintain his opinion! Or not. I'm not certainly an advanced user: I'm a newbie. But I like the Avast! interfaces and I think it has friendly options.  And I'm sure Avast! Team is looking at our wishes with interest. Also maybe is not a wise way to write more and more and more the same things. It seems like the child strategy:
"Daddy, I want this toy!"
"No, son!"
"Daddyyyy...I want it!"
"Not today, son; maybe tomorrow..."
"DADDDDDDDYYYYY!!! I WANTTTTT THE TOYYYYYYY!"
"Oh my God.. ok ok but don't break my head, please!"

Grin

I'm joking, Musaran... I don't want  offend you.

Democracy is the right to say our opinions and the right to respect opposing ideas. ;)
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Musaran on April 08, 2005, 04:15:56 PM
However if you've made a suggestion and then have it explained to you why some suggestions are good and some things aren't going to happen (1) and you insist that that's not good enough, Then I guess you can continue to fill up pages with repeated info (2) that's not going to be listened to (3).
(1) Alas, little explanation so far, mostly opinions like "fine as it is" or "won't do".
(2) I claim to repeat little.
(3) Ew. Not listen to repetition, or not at all ?


if Musaran have the right to propose his ideas, the same is for who don't agree these arguments.
Same here: I have seen denigrate, but little ideas.

I may sound capricious, but if there are better reasons for the way it is actually, or to not change it, just tell me. That would suit me.


Other better things in suggested layout :


I have other comments on interface, but they belong in avast! User Interface future... (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=11707)
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: bob3160 on April 08, 2005, 04:57:23 PM
I didn't get my way in one Thread so now let me try another one..... ;D
Title: Changes to suggested layout
Post by: Musaran on April 10, 2005, 03:01:57 AM
Small changes to suggested layout:

Replace "Help" with:
Quote
Documentation->Help
Web Site
Known Viruses
avast! iNews
Event Log
-Documentation/information are now grouped.
-Main menu gets shorter.

"Web Site" could easely stay in main menu is so wanted.
"About" could be moved here, but should probably stay in main menu.


Add automatic to update menu:
Quote
Update->Antivirus
Virus Knowledge
------------
Automatically     (checkmark)
This is simpler, but automatic has to decide what to update.

Quote
Update->Anti-virus->Now!
Automatically     (checkmark)
Virus Knowledge->Now!
Automatically     (checkmark)
This is more configurable, but the 3-level menu and repetition for so little choices is uneasy.
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: bob3160 on April 10, 2005, 03:15:11 AM
Musaran
What is
Quote
Virus knowledge
?
Title: Re: Changes to suggested layout
Post by: Hopismum on April 10, 2005, 03:15:55 AM

"About" could be moved here, but should probably stay in main menu.


Just a little observation.

"About" is normally, in most programs,  located under help.


I do think that  "Start avast! antivirus" should be changed to simply   "avast! antivirus"      .    I just think that "Start is a little misleading"  I know for me it was when I first installed the program months ago.

Im used to the program, and where things are located.    New people aren't.     And to some who may be a little not so computer savvy I kinda think it could use just a "little" better organization.

For me I don't think its wize to put too much on that menu.     I do think that most of it is fine as it is, and that some could be moved elsewhere to clean it up abit.    If you put TOO much there it "may" scare off some.   

just me 2 cents  :)

Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Hopismum on April 10, 2005, 03:18:44 AM
Musaran
What is
Quote
Virus knowledge
?

I'm thinking he means the iAVS update..     

and Musaran..    virus knowledge would make most people go  *what the heck is that?*     :)
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: bob3160 on April 10, 2005, 03:25:08 AM
If that's the case then it should  be:
Update-> avast! Program
              Virus database
IMHO
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Hopismum on April 10, 2005, 03:30:38 AM
Since I opened me big mouth    ;D

I was just sitting here thinking and Ill spill the beans then duck out  :)

Suggesting change isnt slamming what we have;     I think its bettering what we have.
And its afterall just suggestions..

So here goes with what I think..  in very simplistic terms  :)

I think that when you click on that a ball in the sys tray that avast! should open up to a screen that has everything laid out nicely on it that you need to get to or use.    I know this would be alot of work.    And I realize we are talking about a lot of languages here.    And it may be something that could be hashed around abit and given some thought and maybe someday way down the rroad become a reality.   

Ive seen some people mention Norton and McAfee and how graphically well they present themselves   (of course they are resource hogs and we hate them.. but will give them credit for organization and ease of use)

SOOOOOOO..   why NOT compete abit more???     

Why NOT put it all in one place?

Options could be on the left...   with icons/buttons to press to access them..     The providers  (Web Shield,  Net Shield,  Internet Mail, Standard Sheild, etc) could be located there.    With a press of the button all you need would open on the right side of the screen.

others could be across the top...  such as Help  (maybe put registration and about under there)  Settings,   Updating,  Logs, etc.

I realize Ive left some things out..    such as Scanning itself.    That could be put on the left as well..    or maybe a providers button, a scanning button,  etc etc down the left..            Yes in a way its like frames.    Options on the left.     You click on a button and what you want to do and all to go with it opens on the right.

Then leave the right click on the "a" ball for just a FEW simple things that we may want to access quickly.


I know some are (not appearing) to appreciate "M's" suggestions.....

well.. Im a regular here and the above is just one of mine..    *smile*
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Hopismum on April 10, 2005, 03:32:19 AM
If that's the case then it should  be:
Update-> avast! Program
              Virus database
IMHO

bob..   I agree..    easier to understand
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: kamulko on April 10, 2005, 03:43:04 AM
I don't remember the name of one Alwil Team's member who said: "No great changes for the next release... concerning the version 5, I like the like-Longhorn interface"... if I have understood well, this is more than a sign... eh eh eh... probably, we shall have a "All-in-One" button (user friendly for the peace-of-minded users) and another one for deeplevel configurations. (from "The Holy Book of Avast! Prophets", 1754, VirusPress ltd - Praha) ;D
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Hopismum on April 10, 2005, 03:45:21 AM
I don't remember the name of one Alwil Team's member who said: "No great changes for the next release... concerning the version 5, I like the like-Longhorn interface"... if I have understood well, this is more than a sign... eh eh eh... probably, we shall have a "All-in-One" button (user friendly for the peace-of-minded users) and another one for deeplevel configurations. (from "The Holy Book of Avast! Prophets", 1754, VirusPress ltd - Praha) ;D

lol   Thats why I said  "way down the road"    :)     
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: kamulko on April 10, 2005, 04:01:17 AM
under the Colosseum's cellars (here, in Roma) some archaeologists found an ancient Latin book of magic. At chapter 154, there are the words: "When the black&yellow is falling (maybe, NortonAV) and the scottish loses the war (McAfee?), a  spinning blueball raises (Avast?) and smashes the worms (viruses?) by the hands"
(from "De Antiquitate Latium Magiae", maybe 235 b.C.; unknown author)

 :o
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Musaran on April 10, 2005, 12:53:17 PM
If that's the case then it should  be:
Update-> avast! Program
              Virus database
IMHO
In french the actual wording is "Update viral database".

"Database" is a rather technical term, and doesn't mean much to many a user.
"viral" is less usual than "virus".
"iAVS" has no meaning whatsoever to newcomer.

"Known Viruses" maybe ?
Bonus points for using the same name as in the suggested help menu.

Then, it could be grouped in a submenu:
Quote
Known Viruses->Update
Browse
But I think "Update" grouping is more important.


"About" is normally, in most programs,  located under help.
Usually last item under the tiny "?" menu.

I was thinking that since the program is not an open window, active with title and menu bar, the user should be given better hints as to what "this is".
I was also thinking that "About..." would be move there if the menu needed to be shorter, and the title removed.

But when agreeing with the idea of unified window interface, I realized how right you are:
Systray context menu and main window menu bar should be the same thing!

Users like unified interfaces a lot because they have only one layout/name/logic/loo&feel to learn, quicly become familiar with it, and find their way back easely, whatever the access method used.

I was concentrating here on the systray menu alone, but it turns out the main menu bar and window are involved also.

Just my 2 €cents  ;D
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: kamulko on April 10, 2005, 01:09:24 PM
eurocents!!! ;D
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Musaran on April 10, 2005, 03:27:16 PM
I edited my former posts to the actual english names where applicable.

Wich, of course, brings me to new suggestions:

Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: bob3160 on April 10, 2005, 04:08:37 PM
Musaran
I had said in an earlier post that I wasn't picking on you but you seemed to have turned this into a
one man sounding board.
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Lisandro on April 10, 2005, 04:48:06 PM
I had said in an earlier post that I wasn't picking on you but you seemed to have turned this into a one man sounding board.

 ;D
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Musaran on April 12, 2005, 05:52:31 PM
The board is open and public, make it sound to your liking if you think you have a good tune.


Shield (Provider) submenus could give access to protection level.

In one group:
Quote
Shield (High)->Custom
High     (checkmark)
Normal
Asleep
Off
--------
Settings...
Good: Short and easy.
Bad: When setting protection back, one has to remember what was active before.

As two separate groups:
Quote
Shield (High On)->On (checkmark)
Asleep
Off
--------
Custom
High (checkmark)
Normal
--------
Settings...
Good: Full control.
Bad: Longer, cumbersome.
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: bob3160 on April 12, 2005, 05:59:29 PM
I have one very basic question:
If avast! has so many faults, why are you using it. Or are you just a cronic complainer who never seems to be
satisfied unless there is something to complain about?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Hopismum on April 12, 2005, 06:20:45 PM
I have one very basic question:
If avast! has so many faults, why are you using it. Or are you just a cronic complainer who never seems to be
satisfied unless there is something to complain about?  ??? ??? ???


bob..  I think we get the point that you are not appreciating his suggestions.   Its come across loud and clear by every single post you have made in this thread.

As I said earlier..    suggestions are NOT always complaints.     I think you are reading them as such.

Im sorry to say this bob but why do you keep poking at him?
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: DavidR on April 12, 2005, 06:48:04 PM
To me, this thread has become the death of a thousand cuts with drip feed of little bits here and there. So much so that it loses its impact/good/potential; if people don't read it, then it is wasted.

Why not complete your research/analysis on what you feel could be improved and submit it directly to avast?

This is my last comment on this as we non-alwil staff have little say in its implementation.
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: bob3160 on April 12, 2005, 07:01:50 PM
Connie
There's nothing wrong with making suggestions but it's become a barrage.
As such, even the good suggestions he's made are going to be totally overlooked.
Overkill becomes a turnoff message to some.
However if Musaran wants to continue at his present rate of making suggestions,
it's his business. And any one interested in reading his suggestions is more than welcome to do so.
 
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: neal62 on April 12, 2005, 07:09:11 PM
Actually I'm interested in reading his posts. There are some valid points that IMHO he makes. Nothing wrong with making them as no one knows whether they will be acted upon anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: Hopismum on April 12, 2005, 07:12:20 PM
Connie
There's nothing wrong with making suggestions but it's become a barrage.
As such, even the good suggestions he's made are going to be totally overlooked.
Overkill becomes a turnoff message to some.
However if Musaran wants to continue at his present rate of making suggestions,
it's his business. And any one interested in reading his suggestions is more than welcome to do so.
 

Then why not say that to begin with instead of THIS?

<quote>
If avast! has so many faults, why are you using it. Or are you just a cronic complainer who never seems to be
satisfied unless there is something to complain about?
</quote>

for anyone who does actually want to read thru this thread....   bob, you should read back to all of your posts in it..  all you do its give him crap for "complaining"


David..    actualy I agree with you.    Unfortunately, although there is some good information and "some" good suggestions, it IS all getting lost in the wash.   
Title: Re: Systray layout opinion
Post by: kamulko on April 12, 2005, 09:04:43 PM
I have one very basic question:
If avast! has so many faults, why are you using it. Or are you just a cronic complainer who never seems to be
satisfied unless there is something to complain about? ??? ??? ???

You're right, Bob. I had the same sensation after the first 3 posts by Musaran... but some Members think this is real enthusiasm. So, I remain with my silence... and with my idea! But, what a
masochism!!! ;-)
Title: Revised
Post by: Musaran on April 13, 2005, 06:35:14 PM
I have one very basic question:
If avast! has so many faults, why are you using it. Or are you just a cronic complainer who never seems to be
satisfied unless there is something to complain about?  ??? ??? ???
I found no faults, only imperfections, and only in interface.
A true complainer doesn't suggest anything, he just complains.
I am satisfied when there is nothing to complain about.
I am aware that nothing is perfect in this world, but to me this means improvement is always possible.

Why not complete your research/analysis on what you feel could be improved and submit it directly to avast?
The forum thread is visible to other visitors, open to comments and allows updating and correction.
Most likely, the avast team keeps an eye on this forum.
We suggest, they choose and decide.

But you are right: From now on, I will keep a summary in my first post.


I neglected that this is an alternative menu, it should therefore be kept short and terse.
I also remembered that human brain can hold around 7 things at a time, so lists and groups should not exceed that size by much.

My revised suggestion:
Systray menu
Quote
avast! Antivirus(optional tile, not selectable)
Open
Settings...
Upgrade to Professional...
Update->
?->or "Help & Documentation", or "Information"
------------
Shieldsaka Provider (optional tile, not selectable)
Overall (status)->(sets all shields at once)
Peer to Peer (status)->
Instant Messaging (status)->
Email (status)->(includes Outlook/Exchange)
Web (status)->
System (status)->
File (status)->
(status) shows the actual status of a Shield.
"VRDB" is controlled by File Shield sensitivity.


Service menu: (wichever)
Quote
Sensitivity(optional tile, not selectable)
Custom (radiomark)
High (radiomark)
Normal (radiomark)
Asleep (radiomark)
Off (radiomark)
--------
Settings...
Assitant...(for email only actually)
Scan...(for file only actually)
Safe Storage Zoneaka Virus Chest (for file only actually)


? menu
Quote
About...
Help
www.avast.comor "Web Site"
(iAVS) Known Viruses
(iNews) Security News
Event Log

Update menu
Quote
Anti-virus->Now
Automatically (checkmark)
(iAVS) Known Viruses->Now
Automatically (checkmark)
File Safety->Now