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Title: New skin is coming (Silhouette_4in1)...
Post by: szc on May 02, 2005, 09:53:49 PM
RejZor started this professional skins fever, and since it looks like good idea, I decided to try with something new...

This one should follow avast! web site design. Any comments are very much appreciated.

Thanks !

Cheers !

(http://img153.echo.cx/img153/4301/newskin0di.jpg)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: bri on May 02, 2005, 10:02:22 PM
i like it(looks professional,matches with avast very well)when will it be available?bri
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Lisandro on May 02, 2005, 10:05:14 PM
Wow... oh, my opinion is suspect here as I always like Sasha's skins.
My suggestion? Well, what they think it is a professional skin?
If we can get it we won't listen this anymore  :P
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 02, 2005, 10:14:35 PM
Omg omg omg :o :o :o Now this design kicks ass ^2
Make the buttons same flat design and you're winner :)
I just always wondered if it's possible to hide those Local Disks/Removal media/Folders,before they are acually needed. You'd have button named On-Demand and when you'd press it you'd get these buttons and not before.
But for now i haven't got that far...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 02, 2005, 10:26:27 PM
Thanks people... don't think that I don't wanna hear constructive criticism. I need everything you can give, so I can turn this process into desired direction. You all know that I really care what avast! users think, so it is very important to me that I hear from you people... like always.

@ RejZor - what do you mean by "flat design" buttons ? Just plain square buttons or something else ? With this particular skin, I just tried to 100% follow the official web site design... see here under QUICK LINKS section ( Desktop solutions, Small Business solutions, Corporate solutions ):

http://www.avast.com/index.html

I tried to make same buttons as those from the web site, but if you people think those should be changed into something else... let's hear those opinions. I can work on it, and make something different if you want...

RejZor - your idea about ON-DEMAND button, and hidden Local Disks/Removal media/Folders buttons is wonderful, but I am not aware how to do that at this point. I think, we should talk to Alwil guys and see is it possible to do that only from inside the code, or we can do something from the skin... which I highly doubt just because you know how much our work in SkinBuilder is limited... all we can control are those animations and graphics...  :-\
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 02, 2005, 10:28:45 PM
i like it(looks professional,matches with avast very well)when will it be available?bri

Thanks bri. I can't say much right now, since I have few other projects running at this point, but I'm working on it and it's just a matter of days... I still want to hear your opinions people, and I don't want to start compiling it before I hear suggestions and comments.

Thanks again !
Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 02, 2005, 10:33:09 PM
No,i meant that buttons should be flat,not with some 3D effect.
But as you said,you'll follow website design,so buttons will be as they should.

I was thinking about that On-Demand button to act similar to On-Access sensitivity level button on Simple interface. But so far it's only in my head. I still have to install ActiveSkin again...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 02, 2005, 10:43:04 PM
I understand you regarding buttons, but one thing is not quite clear... I really don't see any sign of 3D in those buttons except that diagonal cut-off on one corner. I thought, you want to have sharp square instead ot those on the screenshot. Buttons are single coloured with just one additional color and that's orange, from the web site.

On-Demand and On-Access buttons would be nice to have, but unfortunately, if you try to "dig" little bit in SkinBuilder, you'll find that there is nothing that will point us what are those functions for specific buttons. We can't see where is the link between buttons and that particular function inside the code... if there is something like that, sure we could use those information and try to make something like that, but until then... I don't know...

Another thing, keeps bugging me... if we add those buttons, and then by pressing let's say On-Demand button, we invoke showing of those additional 3 buttons (Local Disks/Removal media/Folders) it doesn't sound like shortcut... so I'm sure we'll have many people complaining about that. Before they had those 3 buttons in front of them, ready for action, but this way, they would be forced to press On-Demand button first, and then one of those 3 buttons...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 02, 2005, 10:51:51 PM
Actually you're right.
About buttons i meant compared to your previous skins where you usually used 3D effect on buttons. Don't listen to me or i'll just confuse you even more ;D
Just follow the website design as you first intended :)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 02, 2005, 10:57:11 PM
I'll try to see what else can be removed or maybe added (not much though, but as you can see, there are still missing those minimize, close and help buttons on this screenshot EDIT: I just added them ).

I would really like to hear from (as many as it's possible) avast! users. Everyone's opinion counts, just like yours... if you have better idea for buttons, just shoot  ;D I like to experiment with those things, as you already know...

Btw, your new skin (the one that's still in progress) is really good. I really like it... except maybe one small thing, if I may say... that font color seems little bit too dark comparing to background, or is it just me I don't know... maybe just a half tone down, just a color lighter... just a suggestion. Keep up great work !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 02, 2005, 11:03:40 PM
Yeah i was also thinking about that. Checkboxes were so dark that you hardly see checkmark inside. I'll probably go with lighter gray instead of dark one.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 02, 2005, 11:13:57 PM
The other thing that rips me is... I know that Vlk will not be too happy with idea of completely removing icons from this skin. I really wanted so bad to make one skin without those icons. When you think about everything, those icons are helping skins looking "music-player" like, which is the first thing we want to avoid, right ?

I remember Vlk said we should try not to go with English words inside those buttons, just because those can not be translated (of course, they are not text files, just plain bitmaps), so it may look strange when other languages are in use. But still, I would like to make this skin exactly as it is... without icons...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 03, 2005, 12:32:59 AM
It's seems that this skin will be amazing ;D

It have a professional design... ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 03, 2005, 12:36:23 AM
Suggestion:

Don't put all the letters in uppercase in the information section... ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: MFB on May 03, 2005, 12:47:19 AM
Wow that's really awesome!  :D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 01:08:47 AM
Suggestion:

Don't put all the letters in uppercase in the information section... ;)

No problem with that... that's another thing we can not control. It's hardcoded in avast! program code, so don't worry, it will always be in small letters. That's just how I made my screenshot... btw, to avoid future confusion, I just redesigned preview picture... (check first post in this thread again...)

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 03, 2005, 01:14:05 AM
Great work, Sasha! My little suggestion concerns the 3 button at the top right side: is it possible to make its a little more larger? What do you think about an orange border around for make its more visible? The last doubt is about the shield... is a fine object but the rounded border and the " flou" view are not exactly the better thing in this squared shape. Is only my opinion. No doubt: is a very elegant skin the same and I wait for the download!!!  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 01:22:49 AM
Those 3 buttons are also from avast official web site, so I wouldn't touch them since they are not primary buttons on the screen. Also, orange outline doesn't quite fit good considering that background contains blueish-grey shades. Those buttons will change the color when you hover over them. I don't think that I should change anything regarding colors right now, since everything looks pretty clean at this point.

Also, regarding logo... there is nothing much that can be done. See official web site and you'll notice that logo fits on that web site exactly as it fits in this skin. Everything is sharp-edged, and logo is logo... you can not redesign logo already designed by avast! official graphic designer Martin Novak. I'm just trying to make skin based on the web site...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 03, 2005, 01:32:17 AM
Yes, I understand your idea and how is difficult to work with this little margins of action. I confirm what I said first: I'm ready to download this skin even if it remains the same... but I see: yuo are nearly the PERFECTION!!!  :D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 01:42:38 AM
No problem Kamulko, I like to hear everybody's opinions before I release any of my skins. If it's something that shouldn't or can not be changed, I always try to give explanation. Many of my skins contains changes that are affected by opinions that I've got from avast! users and forum members. That's the only way, I can release skin without doubting that there is still something that avast! users won't like...

I also noticed that you suggested some color changes for RejZor's new skin in this thread:

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13178.msg111121#msg111121

Don't you think that those colors are little bit too bright (orange, yellow and blue in the background), especially considering that RejZor wants to make professional styled skin ? Maybe we should stick to nice calm colors... orange is wonderful color and it blends perfectly with brown and some shades of grey. Since it's part of the avast! official web site (but also, not too much of orange... as we all can see, there is just few very small parts coloured in orange), I've decided to make one skin exactly with those colors... I believe everything will be OK at the end when we see completely finished product...

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 03, 2005, 01:57:39 AM
Good work! I like very much your style: a mix of ultra-modern and soften effects. I see the evolution in your graphics. Also in your website I see it. It's a long way for the artist in search of the definitive inspiration. I know: you have good legs for this road. Ciao/Bye  ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 03, 2005, 03:13:26 AM
szc..    I like it..  think it looks very proffessional.. super job...

For your next project could ya come up with a new look for the simple user interface?   That iis soooooo easy for the novice user
to understand and use.  (Much easier in my humble opinion then all the other skins out there)     Would love to see it have just abit
more of that Avast look to it without losing the ease of use.      For instance,  I installed Avast on a friends system  and sat her in
front of it and had her do a scan without my telling her what to do.    She was able to do it very simply.      For those of us who
are used to where things are,  and how they work,   the skins that are available now are fine..   WE know them.  But we do also
need to realize there are many people who really fumble around and find them abit confusing.     I'll confess that I use it myself,
after using a few of yours, and one of Rejzors, and only switched back to it cuz I just found its quicker.     
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 03:23:01 AM
szc..    I like it..  think it looks very proffessional.. super job...

For your next project could ya come up with a new look for the simple user interface?

When you say Simple User Interface, I think you mean non-skinning interface, because this one that uses skins is also Simple User Interface... differs from Enhanced User interface. That Simple user interface (the one that you have in mind) is accessible only when you don't use skins, therefore there is no skinning option in Simple User Interface. All we can do with SkinBuilder is make skins for this skinable part of avast!.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 03, 2005, 03:25:08 AM
szc..    I like it..  think it looks very proffessional.. super job...

For your next project could ya come up with a new look for the simple user interface?

When you say Simple User Interface, I think you mean non-skinning interface, because this one that uses skins is also Simple User Interface... differs from Enhanced User interface. That Simple user interface (the one that you have in mind) is accessible only when you don't use skins, therefore there is no skinning option in Simple User Interface. All we can do with SkinBuilder is make skins for this skinable part of avast!.

Sasha...   oh dear   *thumps self on head*    I probably worded it badly.    Yes I do realize its not really a  "skin"      But could you make a skin that is as simple to use, organized as this one is,  but has a look something along the lines of what you are working on now..    Is this a little clearer?   lol
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 03:59:29 AM
Well, since skins are not supported by that interface, I really don't see how could I make something like that for that particular interface... except... maybe, make it not for that interface, but for skinning interface. Then we have another problem... options in non-skining interface are completely different, actually they are exactly the same, but the way they are presented is completely different. I can make a skin, for existing scheme of options and commands, but I can not rearange options. As we all can see, simple interface (non-skinable one) has different scheme of options. In SkinBuilder, I can make just buttons for those that we see in skinable interfaces. I can not put Scan CD/DVD option direct on skin. Alwil guys are those who have "keys" for code, not skin designers. Sorry...  :-\
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 03, 2005, 04:04:38 AM
yep I meant for skinning interface and awhhhhhhh well..   You explained that well and I now understand why the skins all are setup as they are..
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 03, 2005, 12:06:30 PM
Sasha,will you make sensitivity sliders teh same width as Menu bar?
Something like this:
(http://img115.echo.cx/img115/5643/asw12356my.png)

Try to make them same width,so they will look like it's integrated there and not floating.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 12:36:08 PM
No, actually, this is what I had in mind RejZor...

(http://img22.echo.cx/img22/6687/newskin24zy.jpg)

I know that area reserved for those sliding panels is little bit wider than those panels, but I didn't want to make everything look stiffed or to crowded... I don't know.. I can try to make that area smaller and that way to fit those panels (little bit wider actually).

However, I can make those sliders wider like on your screenshoot, but IMHO they don't look too pretty that way, and also our goal is always to make skin as small as possible just because all those users that still use low resolutions like 800x600 pixels. Also Folder Selection (see your screenshoot) doesn't have (and never had) sliding panel or slider.

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 03, 2005, 01:15:39 PM
Hm,i'd still go with same width of these slider boxes as Menu bar above. And also remove the frame(outisede edge,make it transparent) from these slider boxes and make that dotted rectangle isnide slider boxes transprent too (or remove it).

But on the other hand i'd make the Menu bar a bit shorter and do the same design trick as mentioned few lines above (same width as this new shortened Menu bar).

(http://img222.echo.cx/img222/7671/newskin25zy6lq.png)

I don't know,i never really liked that stuff floats around. It's better that it looks like its on tracks or that it's attached to some area.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 01:37:20 PM
I'm not sure, but when I see how it looks now (resized to the edges), it doesn't look too good. Too much useless space on both sides of the sliders... On my previous screenshot it looks a bit cleaner. I think, I'll just go with shrinking that area where panels should show. As I said before, I don't wanna make everything look too crowded. Dotted line will be removed, but brown outline in those sliding panels must stay. EDIT: or, maybe I'll remove that one too, I have to check few things first...

Animation of those sliders will be simple in this one... or something like avast! Brushed, or completely without animation (or as less movement as possible)...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 03, 2005, 01:48:59 PM
Tray fade in/fade out effect.

I hope you understood that part where i said that you should make Menu bar shorter (the one above these slider boxes) and make slider boxes below same width.
Sou the slider boxes would still be from one side to another,but with less empty space on each side. If you still don't know what i'm talking about,tell me and i'll take some time and paint it :)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 01:56:57 PM
I know, I know... I'm using my spare time right now, and I'm playing with this. I'll make exactly as you showed in your screenshot, but I'll completely resize panel area (not panels) to she size of actual panels. Also, I already removed dotted line, and I have to say that it looks much better and simplier. If you have enough time, I'll post screenshoot in next, let's say 15 minutes...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 03, 2005, 02:00:59 PM
Hehe ;D I'm a great designer,but when it comes to actually throw all the bitmaps together i'm "finished". Not that i wouldn't be able,but it just takes too long to make anything that can be actually used as skin.
You have some serious graphics editing knowledge,so it's like playing with toy for you (i guess) ;) Anyway i'm glad you listened to my advices.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 02:31:19 PM
I always listen to good advices, and you know that, but still if I see something is "fighting" with certain things on the screen, I have to "kill" that idea in the roots  ;D

Here is how it suppose to look... I left 2 pixels on each side of the panels (left and right), because it looked really strange if I strech it all the way from left edge to the right one... I think it looks neat now, anyway, much better than before I believe...

(http://img117.echo.cx/img117/2342/newskin8ee.jpg)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 02:39:20 PM
Just one more question... do you think... oh... first I have to explain what I mean... take a look at those fonts. Actually, those fonts are exactly the same (only one font - Verdana), but those wordings that actually presents buttons are non-anti-aliased, and those on sliding panels are anti-aliased (smooth edges).

Do you think we should keep them all sharp and non-anti-aliased like those at the top (Program MENU etc.) or should I make them smooth like those you can see on the sliding panels ? I kinda like those sharp for a change... I tried to make difference between those that are in use (clickable) and those that just shows us the names of the panel...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 03, 2005, 02:42:47 PM
Slider panels look perfect now :) Is that text above them "Program Menu" finished? Coz somehow it looks weird. Also make avast! Antivirus main text title a bit bigger.
And try to make that text to be outlined with orange. Just to see if it looks nice.

If not,just make this title text a bit bigger (around 50% bigger) and place it in the middle vertically.

Oh and the Question,minimize and close buttons. Do they need those extra two lines inside? Looks a bit funny on static picture. Maybe it's different when all states are enabled,but i'm still not sure. I'd just keep the middle part and remove the thick places on left and right side of the buttons.

EDIT:
Yup,i agree with you. Sharp text looks better.
Just move the Program Menu text in the middle of the bar :)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 02:48:47 PM
Haha, I'm just in process of changing those buttons, although I tried to make them same as those arrows on the web site... we think same... I had good idea yesterday and now I'm using my spare time to make it reality. Regarding which text are you talking about that is not finished ? PROGRAM MENU or something third ?

Edit: Program menu is instead of MENU. It's a button and it's a clickable... same as MENU from previous skins...

Also, I have to find a good place for START and STOP buttons... any idea before I start ? Because it's much easier than redesign everything later...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 03, 2005, 03:00:46 PM
Program menu text looks different than the one on other buttons on right side panel buttons. Also place it in the moddle like on other buttons.

avast! antivirus text should be a bit larger and placed in the middle of that area vertically as i mentioned above.

I'd add scan/stop buttons under www.avast.com URL.
But i'd make them to appear only when removable media/local disks are selected.
I belive you could link up those buttons to appear only when scan sensitivity slider is opened (the one for On-Demand). Animation activation and linking is independend of skinning engine if i can remember correctly from my MacLoverOS X project...
Othewise i have no clue on where to place those buttons. Skin looks so good without them ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 03:11:19 PM
Yes that's true... but we have discussed this before I believe. It's very "touchy" to play with placing those buttons inside display area... but what I can try is, to shrink that display area a bit and then place those buttons below www.avast.com

Program MENU is centered right now, but I don't see where you see the difference from the rest of buttons on the right side panel (Resident Scanner, iAVS etc.). It's exactly the same font and non-anti-aliased.

I decided to use all non-anti-aliased fonts. It gives more professional look and it's much more readable and sharper.

avast! antivirus sign is enlarged by 48% now, and I tried with orange outline... uuuuuggghhhhhh... yuck, yuck, yuck... something like "ampren supa" if you remember those soups, haha...

(http://img90.echo.cx/img90/6772/newskin5sl.jpg)

EDIT: also those small buttons in the top right corner are changed now, and they will turn into orange when you hover over them...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 03:17:19 PM
As far as START STOP buttons goes... I would put them in that corner above the orange part of the LOCAL DISKS button, but in the line below www.avast.com... if you know what I mean. That's the only logical solution. If I place them exactly centered according to www.avast.com, then it doesn't look good. START and STOP are not the part of the display are, so there is no need to center them... and, they have to be visible and "close to the hand"... I tried to put them below www.avast.com, but you can barely notice them... they look like they are part of that http link...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 03, 2005, 03:29:16 PM
Yeah i was thinking about that corner above Local disks too. All other locations are out of reach,or at least too far "away".
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 03:50:10 PM
Yes, I'll do that way... I just have to come up with something simple for those buttons. I really like those sharp edged arrows we can see at avast web site, so I guess I'll use one of those as PLAY button (of course, I'll have to resize it a little bit)... I think everything should be fine from there...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: a61_a61 on May 03, 2005, 04:45:21 PM
Nice work Sasha!  I have one question about the skins and the different windows Avast has.  There's not any consistency in the windows.  If you look at any skin and then the On Access Control Panel or the Settings window nothing looks as if it's the same program.  Style or colors are all different in most of the windows.  Can only part of Avast be skinned?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 03, 2005, 04:48:13 PM
Only Simple interface is skinable.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: a61_a61 on May 03, 2005, 05:02:58 PM
Ok, then how about a skin that has some consistency with the On Access Control Panel, even though I like the new skin that's being worked on.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 05:18:10 PM
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Ok, then how about a skin that has some consistency with the On Access Control Panel

That's not hard to do... although there is already skin like that... RejZor Sharp is based on "normal" Windows appearance. There is not much that can be done regarding that I'm affraid... except maybe to make those buttons exactly as those used in Windows OS... but again... I couldn't possibly know which Visual Style every particular person is using, so always, those two things will be different...

EDIT: skins are fixed, so once you make them, everytime you use them, they will look exactly the same... on the other hand, On-Access Scanner follows Windows theme, actually Visual Style that you are using right now, and it's not fixed... you can change appearance of On-Access Scanner Window every single time you change Visual Style of Windows...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 03, 2005, 05:28:36 PM
pssst Sasha...    typo alert  :)     Change Curent to Current   :)

I like how it is coming along ...    Rejzor was correct.. it looks so much better as it is now.    Keep up the good work .. this ones great
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: DavidR on May 03, 2005, 05:32:10 PM
I like the look, nice clean lines, reducing the width of the Program MENU column has given extra width to the details area.

I'm not convinced on the text balance of MENU being in Upper Case perhaps being in InitCaps 'Program Menu' would be better balanced?

I know the iAVS is an avast term but for many totally unknown, we have used VPS a lot in the forums, should we use this or try to find something more understandable?

The ordering of the three buttons at the bottom, perhaps, Local Disks, Folder Selection and Removable Media. This is in order Greater to lessor (or fixed and removable) HDDs, Folders (still on the HDD) and finally removable media.
I did like the previous suggestion of a single button On Demand Scan with the three options (this would probably be more difficult) but it woud allow room to the right for the Stop/Resume button when the scan has been started.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 05:44:49 PM
pssst Sasha...    typo alert  :)     Change Curent to Current   :)

I like how it is coming along ...    Rejzor was correct.. it looks so much better as it is now.    Keep up the good work .. this ones great

Thanks Connie for the heads up... don't worry, it's just on screenshoot preview, I can not control those information or how they will be presented, except of course the font and the size of the font. Those information are hardcoded into avast! code...

EDIT: I just fixed that typo on screenshot as well... thanks again !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 03, 2005, 05:48:12 PM
oh I realize its only a screenshot  :)    but didn't realize that part of it is hardcoded so my pssst was not needed.. oops   lol     

Looks super..    I do agree with David that  MENU looks abit out of place being all caps,   and also I have always thought that iAVS is abit confusing for some  people,  but you do need to keep with the Avast terminology
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 05:56:09 PM
I like the look, nice clean lines, reducing the width of the Program MENU column has given extra width to the details area.

Thanks David.

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I'm not convinced on the text balance of MENU being in Upper Case perhaps being in InitCaps 'Program Menu' would be better balanced?

I'm changing it right now... thanks for pointing that... it's just I thought, if I write just like this: Program Menu, it could look like that area where sliding panels are suppose to show, will be reserved for some kind of menu or something... by writting those letters in caps, I though I could point that it's actual MENU button... I don't know, but anyway, I'll change that...

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I know the iAVS is an avast term but for many totally unknown, we have used VPS a lot in the forums, should we use this or try to find something more understandable?

I agree, and what should we put instead of that one ? Perhaps Update Virus DB ? That could look nice...

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The ordering of the three buttons at the bottom, perhaps, Local Disks, Folder Selection and Removable Media. This is in order Greater to lessor (or fixed and removable) HDDs, Folders (still on the HDD) and finally removable media.

Sorry David, I think I lost you here... can you tell what order do you think would be good to use ? From the left to the right, please... thanks !
 
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I did like the previous suggestion of a single button On Demand Scan with the three options (this would probably be more difficult) but it woud allow room to the right for the Stop/Resume button when the scan has been started.

Too bad, too much work to do, and I'm not even sure can we control that from SkinBuilder... need to talk to someone from Alwil first...

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 03, 2005, 05:59:14 PM
Update Virus DB would be sooooooo much clearer...       

er can Program Menu be changed to Settings?       That might stop the confusion you mentioned and make it absolutely clear why its there?   
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 03, 2005, 06:15:07 PM
Yes, I also though this could work Connie, but there is one small problem... when you press MENU button, there is already another SETTINGS submenu. I don't know, but maybe it would be better if we can keep it separate... what do you think ? Thanks !

Sasha

Still, don't get it... what David meant, what would be better order for those buttons at the bottom (Local disks, Removable Media and Folder selection) ? Maybe someone else understood him better than I did... please help !!!  ;D  ;D  ;D I want to work on this one, and I can not do much untill I find out what order should I use...

EDIT: No problems I just figured it out... stupid me... he already wrote that order in his reply... heh, I just need to read a bit more careful I guess...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 03, 2005, 06:17:35 PM
I think he meant left to right and in this order:  Local Disks, Folder Selection and Removable Media  and that makes good sense

edit:  oops forgot to respond to your other question ..   about the Menu option..  yeah keep it as it is
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: DavidR on May 03, 2005, 08:23:25 PM
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EDIT: No problems I just figured it out... stupid me... he already wrote that order in his reply... heh, I just need to read a bit more careful I guess...
I didn't explain it well, I should have shown the existing order (left to right) them my proposed order, rather than only showing my proposed order.

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Yes, I also though this could work Connie, but there is one small problem... when you press MENU button, there is already another SETTINGS submenu. I don't know, but maybe it would be better if we can keep it separate... what do you think ? Thanks !
I think your right about not calling it Program Settings as this is an entirely different listing and one that is available from the right click menu of the avast icon. So this could cause confusion.

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Too bad, too much work to do, and I'm not even sure can we control that from SkinBuilder... need to talk to someone from Alwil first...
I bow to your greater knowledge of what can or can't be achieved with the skinning elements and even if the skin remains as it is at the moment, it will be much better.
But if it is at all possible, 'On Demand Scan' or something similar may be more meaningful to an inexperienced user than, 'Local Disk', 'Folder Selection' or 'Removable Media' as none of those are immediately apparent that you want to scan them.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 03, 2005, 08:52:42 PM

But if it is at all possible, 'On Demand Scan' or something similar may be more meaningful to an inexperienced user than, 'Local Disk', 'Folder Selection' or 'Removable Media' as none of those are immediately apparent that you want to scan them.

David,    not to quibble  :)   but I do wonder if even On Demand Scan is not immediately apparent to inexperienced users as well.   WE know what it means,  ya know?    But I dont (and I could be wrong)  think those not used to Avast know what it means.    Im thinking something like "Scanning Options"   (and thats not even quite right)  would be helpful.    At the moment I cannot come up with the exact wording for what Im thinking.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 03, 2005, 08:55:19 PM
Maybe "scan mode"?... I'm not sure...  :) I'm seeing with great interest your conversation about this important aspect of interface. Very very important.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 03, 2005, 08:59:58 PM
Most of people don't understand really how much is important the choose of the words and there's a lot of applications less clear than arab!
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 03, 2005, 09:05:20 PM
very true Kalmuko...    I help out a few friends around my town with their computers,  and they lead me to friends of theirs.  Many times Ive come across people who don't even USE an antivirus program at all.    I explain the importance to them and they tell me that they want to put something on their systems but they want it SIMPLE and easy to understand.   Very clear, and to the point.    If they do not know what something means,   they most often are afraid to click on it.     Im not.    I'll click on anything in a program to see what it does, how it works, and want to understand it all.    Not everyone does that however.     I just think its important to be careful how things are worded so its easy for all to use.     For me..  I want simple and quick and do not need all the bells and whistles.   I dont want to have to click in 3 places before I can even run a scan.    I suppose that is why I went back to useing the Simple User Interface.    For those who like bells and whistles and all the other stuff...  cool for them..    and being able to change skins gives them that.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: DavidR on May 03, 2005, 09:19:57 PM
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David,    not to quibble but I do wonder if even On Demand Scan is not immediately apparent to inexperienced users as well.   WE know what it means,  ya know?    But I dont (and I could be wrong)  think those not used to Avast know what it means.    Im thinking something like "Scanning Options"   (and thats not even quite right)  would be helpful.    At the moment I cannot come up with the exact wording for what Im thinking.

I totally agree that is why I put the qualification 'or something similar' I like 'Scanning Options' but remember the context I was using it, "if we were able to replace the three buttons with one button and three options then being given." I suppose we could have the Scanning Options (or whatever text was deemed appropriate) as text centred above the three buttons.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 03, 2005, 09:21:08 PM
After a short period when the technologies was in the way of simply using... now the complexity is rising again because nothing in the world is really simple... and internet less of all! Sometime is impossible to control a machine like a computer with one touch of fingers, unfortunately. There are too many dangers online (and outline  :P). I see how our beloved designers specialists (SZC & RejZor) try and try to add user-friendly skins with simple language. So, this is the great importance of your and  DavidR philology and significance discussion about the programs skin.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 12:49:44 AM
OK people, this is UPDATE...

Skin is finished and ready for distribution  ;D

I checked everything, every possible situation and it looks like it's working perfectly... Still, I won't send it to Alwil untill we (you guys/girls and me) check every possible situation. Please report everything (of course, it has to be reasonable) weird that you see, or suggest anything that you would like to see different...

For now, skin is fully working, no problems at all... I really like those sharp edged fonts used on this skin (no anti-aliasing feature used this time).

Note: unfortunately, blueish slider on second screenshoot can not be controled from within SkinBuilder...  :-\ It's a part of current Windows Visual Style that you are using.

First screenshoot:

(http://img13.echo.cx/img13/2474/scr012vv.jpg)

Second one...

(http://img159.echo.cx/img159/4007/scr023of.jpg)

Third one...

(http://img154.echo.cx/img154/6739/scr031az.jpg)

Fourth one...

(http://img87.echo.cx/img87/6351/scr043vw.jpg)

Fifth one...

(http://img82.echo.cx/img82/347/scr059un.jpg)

and finally sixth one...

(http://img209.echo.cx/img209/1291/scr068wp.jpg)

I hope you'll find it interesting...

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Lisandro on May 04, 2005, 12:54:20 AM
Sasha, can't you upload to avast ftp server and we beta test it?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 12:55:52 AM
I personally think that the version of this skin that contains animations (sliding panels only) looks much better than the one with no animation at all. Those 3 sliding panels slides from right point (grey vertical line that separates display area and sliding panels area) to the left and it looks pretty nice.

If you would like to see this skin without animation (panels just appears on the screen when appropriate button is pressed), please tell me... I wanna hear as much opinions as possible... I don't wanna make decisions myself...

Thanks in advance !
Sasha
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 12:58:32 AM
Sasha, can't you upload to avast ftp server and we beta test it?

Probably I could do that, but I don't know if I can get permission from Alwil to do that... I don't wanna waste their bandwith.  :o
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 04, 2005, 12:59:11 AM
Whooo hooo  looks great!     I like the sliding panels myself...   Good job
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 04, 2005, 01:09:04 AM
Chef d'oeuvre = capolavoro = masterpieceeeeeeeeeeeee!!! the name of this skin?  ;D

orange (my preferred color), sliding panels (my desire), cleanest design (sweet for eyes)... I haven't words... BRAVO!!!  :o
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Jill on May 04, 2005, 01:15:46 AM
sZc  Norton does not come with skins, AVG does not come with skins, Trend Micro does not come with skins.  No, these professional looking softwares come with the default interface and no skin options. So should Avast.  Don't want skins.  Just Want a nice, professional looking , default  interface , with non-cluttered settings , and soft pleasing colors.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 01:17:59 AM
Thanks Kamulko and Connie... your opinion means a lot to me, especially before I send those files to Alwil.

This skin will be called CoolWEB... it's 99% made under influence of avast! official web site, and that's why it will have WEB inside the name... Cool ? Because, alongside the wonderful orange color, there are some cool blueish-greyish colors... and it sounds nice, easy to remember.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: MFB on May 04, 2005, 01:19:50 AM
sZc  Norton does not come with skins, AVG does not come with skins, Trend Micro does not come with skins.  No, these professional looking softwares come with the default interface and no skin options. So should Avast.  Don't want skins.  Just Want a nice, professional looking interface , with non-cluttered settings , and soft pleasing colors.

If you don't like avast! skin, why don't you just disable it?  A program that has colorful skin doesn't mean it isn't professional.  Avast! is always beautiful on the outside and professional and serious (for your computer that is) on the inside.

to /szc\:  I love the new skin you made, that will be my new favorite skin on my avast! program.   ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 01:21:15 AM
sZc  Norton does not come with skins, AVG does not come with skins, Trend Micro does not come with skins.  No, these professional looking softwares come with the default interface and no skin options. So should Avast.  Don't want skins.  Just Want a nice, professional looking , default  interface , with non-cluttered settings , and soft pleasing colors.

Well you will have to complain to Vlk since he is the guy who made avast! and he speciafically said he wants avast! to be different than any other antivirus out there... and it IS ! He speciafically said he wants his antivirus to be skinned... I'm just helping here  ::)

Anyway, none of those antiviruses can compete with avast! when it comes to catching viruses which is most important thing when it comes to antivirus software...

As I told you before, go and buy Professional version of avast! and you will have oportunity to have non-skinned interface... are you avare of the fact that avast! can have skins disabled ?  ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 04, 2005, 01:31:40 AM
Here I want say loud "Thank you very much!" also to RejZor 'cause the first ideas about to realize the skin-projects came from the Sasha<->RejZor dialogue. I'm sure Sasha will agree with me.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 04, 2005, 01:33:37 AM
/szc\,

can you put the Pause and Stop buttons, like this image?

(http://img160.echo.cx/img160/29/avastskin2hk.jpg)

Thanks
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 01:38:35 AM
Read this post I made in this same thread... it's regarding those buttons:

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13208.msg111513#msg111513

And, again it's not possible just because of www.avast.com is there... if you try to hover over www.avast.com, you'll see that whole area (left and right from that link), whole display area line is like clickable button...

Anyway, I really think that those two buttons looks pretty neat in left corner... it looks like levels of buttons, and it gives this skin non-symetric look, which I really can't stand by the way... believe me, I tried everything, and this looks best in this case...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 01:38:52 AM
Reply by mistake... sorry.. double post and we can not erase our posts...  :-\
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 04, 2005, 01:54:39 AM
It's really difficult for you to make something because your are very restricted by that kind of things...

The avast developers should improve this for the 5.0...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 02:03:33 AM
But still, I think that it looks pretty clean this way. It shouldn't be the problem just because those 2 buttons are not centered.. This way they are "close" to the hand.

I just want to hear as much opinions as possible regarding the animation of those 3 sliding panels... do you people want to see animation or just normal panel pop-up (when you press the button, panle just appears without sliding animation) ?

Thanks in advance for your answers !

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 04, 2005, 02:55:07 AM
I just want to hear as much opinions as possible regarding the animation of those 3 sliding panels... do you people want to see animation or just normal panel pop-up (when you press the button, panle just appears without sliding animation) ?

It's difficult to choose.

What of existing skins are examples for that?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 03:10:20 AM
Corporate skin has exactly the same animation (sliding panels), except those panels are sliding out of skin boundaries, and in this new CoolWEB skin, sliding panels are inside skin boundaries... but in general, animations is completely same.

For non-animated CoolWEB skin version, I don't have any example, since all those skins in skin section have those sliding panels animated. Anyway, panels just appears on the screen when you push the button, no animation at all... I hope this can help a bit...

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 04, 2005, 03:11:08 AM
Maybe something like the "avast! Brushed" skin...

But, why not have them always on top? I think that is more clear...

And put them by this order:
1. Resident scanner
2. Local disks
3. Removable disks
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 04, 2005, 03:19:07 AM
But, why not have them always on top? I think that is more clear...

Like we have on the skinless ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 04, 2005, 03:37:37 AM
But, why not have them always on top? I think that is more clear...

Like we have on the skinless ;)

Or like MacLoverOS X Skin.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 04:06:33 AM

Or like MacLoverOS X Skin.

They are not always on... those panels are disabled on MacLoverOS X skin at first... then, when you want to enable them, you also have to press the button. I know that because I was working on those panels when RejZor had some difficulties with compiling it, and then I worked on them. I don't know if it would be good idea to have all those sliders and buttons on the screen. It could just confuse new users. I though people in this thread are trying to simplify GUI, not to add few more things... DavidR and RejZor were talking about possibility of removing those 3 bottom buttons and installing On-Demand button instead which would invoke those 3 buttons when pressed... I don't know, too much ideas, and not enough people to realize all of them...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 04, 2005, 04:13:13 AM
DavidR and RejZor were talking about possibility of removing those 3 bottom buttons and installing On-Demand button instead which would invoke those 3 buttons when pressed...

Could be a great solution ;D  Why not...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 04, 2005, 07:00:51 AM
Slider panels in MacLoverOS X are just a visual trick.
Those "always on top" panels are actually just a static grayed out graphics painted on main panel background. When colored panels slide over grayed out ones it looks like they chnaged their state,but in fact they just appeared like on any other skin.

EDIT:
Oh btw,very cool design. And exactly the same buttons as i wanted them :)
I just don't like the name of the skin. It's unique,but it reminds me to CoolWebSearch too much (that hard to remove CWS toolbar) :P
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 02:02:25 PM
@ VaMPIRIC_CRoW

And put them by this order:
1. Resident scanner
2. Local disks
3. Removable disks

You're completely right... I just finished changing the order of sliding panels. Thanks for the heads-up... See screenshoot:

(http://img155.echo.cx/img155/8678/previewsilhouette9ne.jpg)


@ RejZor

EDIT:
Oh btw,very cool design. And exactly the same buttons as i wanted them :)
I just don't like the name of the skin. It's unique,but it reminds me to CoolWebSearch too much (that hard to remove CWS toolbar) :P

You're 100% right... I didn't think about that when I named it... good point, especially in antivirus world. Sorry people, I have so much stuff to do, so many graphic pieces to draw, design and retouch... I am also in the middle of few very large web/flash projects... so many things is going on right now, so some things must pass unnoticeable. But, as always I have you people, so if something manage to go through my "filters", you are there to warn me, right ?

Thanks again !

Oh, btw, new name is very simple - Silhouette ... and it stays...  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 04, 2005, 02:09:07 PM
It's seems fine :)

Can you put here a list of all the options that you can put on the skin?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Spyros on May 04, 2005, 02:12:48 PM
If I may add something:
I like it very much, exept one thing: the slogan. Slogans are good for web-sites, but are not good for professional skins. No antivirus has it's slogan in it's skin. And the labyrinth on the skin is so small, that no-one will understand that the slogan is reffering to it. So, please consider removing the "let us protect you..." line. Other than that, perfect  8)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 04, 2005, 02:35:10 PM
I agree with Spyros. The slogan doesn't fit there best...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 05:39:32 PM
If I may add something:
I like it very much, exept one thing: the slogan. Slogans are good for web-sites, but are not good for professional skins. No antivirus has it's slogan in it's skin. And the labyrinth on the skin is so small, that no-one will understand that the slogan is reffering to it. So, please consider removing the "let us protect you..." line. Other than that, perfect  8)

Good point Spyros !

Better now ?

(http://img217.echo.cx/img217/3448/previewsilhouette2ra.jpg)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 04, 2005, 05:46:01 PM
One thing that still bothers me...
"Update Virus D.Base" text on button.

First,that button updates both,program components and VPS.
So maybe text "Updater" should do the trick. Also shortened words don't look that good anyway...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 05:51:38 PM
Well I'll change that, but I'm not 100% sure that button invokes program update... it's just for VPS and it doesn't even mention program update on pop-up window after trying to update. See attach:

(http://img156.echo.cx/img156/9448/untitled13oi.jpg)

What should I put then ? Update VPS maybe ?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 10:49:30 PM
I just always wondered if it's possible to hide those Local Disks/Removal media/Folders,before they are acually needed. You'd have button named On-Demand and when you'd press it you'd get these buttons and not before.
But for now i haven't got that far...

Sorry people, but I just had to write this in large letters... I just had...

Oh my God, oh my God !!! I am sooooooo excited people... I just managed to make this idea reality !!! And actually it's working flawlesly !!! This is incredible, I actually managed to do this...

This is just my suggestion... and if you people are interested, just post your replies in here, so I'll see what do you really want. If you want standard skin with all those buttons up there, no problem, skin is ready for distribution... if on the other hand you want this skin with On-Demand (I'm sooooo proud I can say this, yeepee !!!) button, and only when you hover over it, or press it, you'll get those 3 buttons visible on the screen (Local Disks/Removal media/Folders). Please be part of this discussion because it will help me a lot when I have to decide which version should I release.

Thanks in advance !
Regards !
Sasha
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 04, 2005, 11:01:40 PM
I think its an excellent idea...   

BUT...   just my opinion...   I don't like  "On demand" as the name for the button...
I feel unexperienced people will have NO idea what that means/is nor that it is
something they should access.

Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 04, 2005, 11:11:24 PM
Rejzor is right...   Update Virus D.base just doesn't look right..      Update VPS would be good I think.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 11:22:08 PM
OK, but c'mon people, let's hear suggestions... I really wanna finish this project !  ;D This is unbelievable, and I'm so happy I managed to solve this one... huh!

On-Demand button - what should be the best and most appropriate name we can choose for this button ?

Second thing... due to the limitation of these tools that I'm using right now, at this point, I feel free to say that hidding of START nad STOP buttons same way as I did with those 3 buttons, is impossible. Just because I would have to nest those 2 buttons inside one movie (animation), and that movie is already nested inside another movie (animation sequence). It would be too much for SkinBuilder, so I'm not going to go into that, that's for sure... Anyway, START and STOP buttons were always there, and I don't see any problem keeping them on main panel.

Connie wrote:
Rejzor is right...   Update Virus D.base just doesn't look right..      Update VPS would be good I think.

That's already fixed... I just didn't want to post new screenshot because of that little issue...

EDIT: Ok, to avoid confusion, I updated that screenshot... see here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13208.msg111818#msg111818
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: DavidR on May 04, 2005, 11:25:42 PM
Congratulations on finding a way to incorporate the three into one button.

How about 'Select avast! Scan' or 'Select avast! Scan Settings' or 'Select Scan Type' or add 'Scan' to the 'On Demand Scan'

There are many permutations but I think it has to be short and obviously give a clear indication of the function of the button.

Personally I think Update virus D.base is more or equally as meaningful as Update VPS (perhaps Database as there hasn't been that much shortening by the D.base abbreviation), as has been previously mentioned who knows what VPS is?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 04, 2005, 11:29:05 PM
Sasha.. memory refresher for ya  about a name for the "On Demand SCan"  button (we had discussed this earlier in this very thread)   :)   

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13208.msg111594#msg111594
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 04, 2005, 11:30:29 PM
David..   Select Scan Settings  OR Select Scan type  sounds perfect to me... 
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 11:32:50 PM
Yes David, you're completely right about VPS... that's why I put Update Virus D.Base first time, but it really looked too long... I personally liked it more than Update VPS...

I'm still open for suggestions... let's go people !

1.) UPDATE VPS - should it be changed into something else and WHAT ?
2.) On-Demand Scanner - what would be best possible name for that button ?

Edit:

David..   Select Scan Settings  OR Select Scan type  sounds perfect to me... 

Connie, that's too long in my opinion... there is not much space inside those tiny buttons, so take that into consideration
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 04, 2005, 11:34:56 PM


Personally I think Update virus D.base is more or equally as meaningful as Update VPS (perhaps Database as there hasn't been that much shortening by the D.base abbreviation), as has been previously mentioned who knows what VPS is?

yeah.. duh ... you are probably right about this...     and database and d.base are only 2 characters different so why not name it what it is and totally negate confusion

edit:     Update Virus Database
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Hopismum on May 04, 2005, 11:36:01 PM
Sasha... well then...          Scan Settings?            Scan Options?


edit:    Ive got to go pack for our trip..   leaving you and DavidR and others to hash this one out..    :)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 11:40:46 PM
Those two sounds nice Connie, but unfortunatelly, they sound to general... we need something to point out that we are talking about On-Demand scanning options...

David ? Any suggestions ? Does it sound good if we call it On-Demand Scann ?

Also, regarding Update button, I'm counting on your experience David... what would be the best name for this button ?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 04, 2005, 11:45:03 PM
As I already said, the On-Demand button will be an excelent ideia instead of having the 3 buttons... ;)

If you can make that ideia...  ;D

I prefer to have a "Update Virus Databases" button because is more clear to the users, but is bigger than the available button size :(
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 04, 2005, 11:49:06 PM
As I already said, the On-Demand button will be an excelent ideia instead of having the 3 buttons... ;)

If you can make that ideia...  ;D

I prefer to have a "Update Virus Databases" button because is more clear to the users, but is bigger than the available button size :(

As I already stated above... idea is not just idea anymore. I managed to make it real, and it's working perfect. Now, the question remains, how to call those two buttons... I personally would go with Update Virus Database, if you ask me... second one I'll call On-Demand Scanner or maybe Manual scanner. I don't see anything strange in that name, it's sharp, and it tells you right away what that button does...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 04, 2005, 11:55:45 PM
Great!!!  ;D

Manual scanner is more clear to a normal user, and On-Demand scanner is the normal name used for that option...

You have my vote to: "Update Virus Database" ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Lisandro on May 05, 2005, 12:42:30 AM
Sasha, you've asked my opinion here.
Sorry to have, on contrary of all other ones, a sensation of dificulty in all of this.
Changing anything in avast demands 20 languages.
Translation, homogeneity with tool tips, help files, etc.
So, I don't want personaly no one change in the name of the things.
It took me a lot of time, for sure more than to make only one skin (it's not criticism Sasha, I recognize your hard work, you know), to translate avast. A lot of other translators will be on this hot waters too.
I can manage few changes, for better, but not a 'whole' change on avast! buttons, names, processes...  :-\
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: DavidR on May 05, 2005, 12:59:12 AM
Surely if we have reduced the three buttons into one button that could be wider to cater for a slightly longer text. I think that it was myself that suggected 'On Demand Scan' or very similar only for a very reasoned comment, that we know what that means but new avast users wont have a clue what On-Demand is.

I prefer the Update Virus Database, I think it is very clear, but if it proves to be too wide (which I would doubt as there is room to adjust the width of the Virus Chest button), perhaps line break or wrap it?

Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Lisandro on May 05, 2005, 01:01:36 AM
Just to use one example: Update Virus Database
It won't be possible in the menu, specially in other languages as we can't use acented words and long text there.
You'll have a 'better' English version but avast! speaks other 19...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 05, 2005, 01:04:47 AM
I agree that could be very hard to the translators when the program is changed (I'm also a translator of a lot of programs)
But a program should be improved and not stay like it is just because of the hard work that the translators will go to have...

This is my opinion...

Sasha, you've asked my opinion here.
Sorry to have, on contrary of all other ones, a sensation of dificulty in all of this.
Changing anything in avast demands 20 languages.
Translation, homogeneity with tool tips, help files, etc.
So, I don't want personaly no one change in the name of the things.
It took me a lot of time, for sure more than to make only one skin (it's not criticism Sasha, I recognize your hard work, you know), to translate avast. A lot of other translators will be on this hot waters too.
I can manage few changes, for better, but not a 'whole' change on avast! buttons, names, processes... :-\
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: DavidR on May 05, 2005, 01:26:30 AM
Sasha, you've asked my opinion here.
Sorry to have, on contrary of all other ones, a sensation of dificulty in all of this.
Changing anything in avast demands 20 languages.
Translation, homogeneity with tool tips, help files, etc.
So, I don't want personaly no one change in the name of the things.
It took me a lot of time, for sure more than to make only one skin (it's not criticism Sasha, I recognize your hard work, you know), to translate avast. A lot of other translators will be on this hot waters too.
I can manage few changes, for better, but not a 'whole' change on avast! buttons, names, processes... :-\

I do appreciate the problems you have mentioned, but surely you wouldn't be Translating the Button names only the Tool Tips and they for the most part can remain the same.

How do you explain/translate the meaning of an icon with no name (the lightning flash for instance), you rely on the user hovering the mouse over the button and getting the translated tool tip. A button is technically no different to an icon, just that this icon has a name.

Yes we should try to keep the overhead down for the translators by getting it right first time.

There have been numerous skins developed and I'm sure that they all didn't get translated as they would have to have a common translation which couldn't change for a given skin in use. In the image there are a number of elements that I don't believe have been translated, such as, Real Time Data Protection, Update Virus Database (which has been talked about as a button title), Virus Quarantine and Sensitivity.

This is not trying to dismiss your opinion, just to show that there are already points that aren't translated, in the skins just the tool tips (so they have remained in the language they were created, English for the most part). Perhaps the skin makers also need to know exactly what is translated in a skin. That way we can try to keep the translation load down (one by not changing the tool tips).

I have looked at the Simple User Interface section of the help file and there are already anomalies, perhaps this is an opportunity to have an overhaul.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 02:26:28 AM
I agree that could be very hard to the translators when the program is changed (I'm also a translator of a lot of programs)
But a program should be improved and not stay like it is just because of the hard work that the translators will go to have...

This is my opinion...

Sasha, you've asked my opinion here.
Sorry to have, on contrary of all other ones, a sensation of dificulty in all of this.
Changing anything in avast demands 20 languages.
Translation, homogeneity with tool tips, help files, etc.
So, I don't want personaly no one change in the name of the things.
It took me a lot of time, for sure more than to make only one skin (it's not criticism Sasha, I recognize your hard work, you know), to translate avast. A lot of other translators will be on this hot waters too.
I can manage few changes, for better, but not a 'whole' change on avast! buttons, names, processes... :-\

Yes, but after all, you people started to complain about wordings... it was great until now. No one ever had any single problem understanding those words, but now everybody has something to add... try to put yourselves into my shoes. Hundreds of users with different opinions and wishes.. and I am only one person. I can not please everybody and change my skins as soon as someone reports some stupid minor thing, that actually worked great before and no one ever had any problems with it...

@ Technical - Regarding translations... what this for the God's sake have to do with translators ? You guys can not translate bitmaps. Those are not text files and they can not be translated. That's why Vlk always wanted to have icons instead of English words... but what can I do ? I make English versions... someone else needs to jump in and start to make Spanish or French versions... I can not do that...

Also, Technical... are you 100% sure this line is 100% ok ?

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It took me a lot of time, for sure more than to make only one skin

It's not only one skin, and only people that at least once tried to fight with SkinBuilder can know how much work it requires...

Well, I tried to be fair asking everybody for opinion... that's because I am like that, and I really care about other people's opinions... but telling me that some words looks stupid on the skin, and they never looked stupid before... and after that I change those words, I' asked everybody to help me with decision what to put instead of those words... only few people actually suggested something, and then silence... nothing... now, even worse... now everybody thinks that we shouldn't change anything... c'mon people... how many times I have to change something... do you have any clue how much work it really requires ?

That's why other designers never ask anyone... just because one person CAN NOT please hundred other persons. They make their skins and there are two kinds of people... one which likes those skins, and another that don't. Very simple... so, I should just leave it like that I guess, because right now I really have no clue what do you want me to do...  ::)

Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 05, 2005, 02:36:43 AM
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Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 03:01:44 AM
I still need your opinions people... Technical, don't worry, no one will have to change anything inside translations... All those text parts that you see on the screenshoots are just bitmaps (graphic parts)... something like old icons, except, they are not icons now, but something that looks like text buttons...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Lisandro on May 05, 2005, 03:34:43 AM
I still need your opinions people... Technical, don't worry, no one will have to change anything inside translations... All those text parts that you see on the screenshoots are just bitmaps (graphic parts)... something like old icons, except, they are not icons now, but something that looks like text buttons...
My fault, I did not understand that you're talking about bitmaps but name of the buttoms.
My opinion is just a picture says more than a thousand words. I love icons. I have tons of icons in toolbars, menus, etc. etc.
I love avast! skins. I love them since from the early beginning when there is not more than three of them (yes, I'm old here :P).

@ Technical - Regarding translations... what this for the God's sake have to do with translators ? You guys can not translate bitmaps. Those are not text files and they can not be translated. That's why Vlk always wanted to have icons instead of English words... but what can I do ? I make English versions... someone else needs to jump in and start to make Spanish or French versions... I can not do that...
I've already explain my misunderstanding... God, sometimes I hate English  :P

Also, Technical... are you 100% sure this line is 100% ok ?
Quote
It took me a lot of time, for sure more than to make only one skin
You can judge for yourself: 150 hours
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 03:43:35 AM
You can judge for yourself: 150 hours

That's good, but do you think that I spend 5 minutes making one skin ? There is more than 150 hours if I count all those graphics and skins, believe me... I don't wanna make your job worthless, believe me I know how difficult is to translate... I am aware of all those text files that needs to be carefully translated, and sometimes you can not even find proper word to replace some words in English language... I know all that stuff... When I still was in Croatia, I used to work for IFOR (International Forces) and later SFOR. I was interpreter for US army, for almost more than one and a half year long period. I also had so much stuff to do, all those trips, all those documents, everything... so I know what do you mean... but, I'm also telling you how difficult job is making these babies... sure, they look nice and easy, but there is a lot of sweat spent on them...

Anyway, I just finished 3-missing-buttons version  ;D  ;D  ;D, and with On-Demand Scan button instead... I'll post some screenshoots in a minute...

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 03:47:17 AM
Ok, here are some latest screenshoots...

(http://img27.echo.cx/img27/913/17ec.jpg)

(http://img128.echo.cx/img128/7599/22ry.jpg)

(http://img188.echo.cx/img188/8509/38jy.jpg)

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Lisandro on May 05, 2005, 03:56:58 AM
Suggestions:
1. The borders of the 'tabs' could be rounded (not with triangles, like you use a scissor to cut the edge).
2. I don't like the arrows (showing that is a menu)
3. Narrow the top banner with the word 'avast antivirus'
4. Will the 'status bar' at the bottom be used for anything different that the copyright?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Staind on May 05, 2005, 03:57:41 AM
I know you like criticism, but I have none. This is truly an amazing skin, you've out done yourself again! Excellent work.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 04:21:44 AM
Suggestions:
1. The borders of the 'tabs' could be rounded (not with triangles, like you use a scissor to cut the edge).
2. I don't like the arrows (showing that is a menu)
3. Narrow the top banner with the word 'avast antivirus'
4. Will the 'status bar' at the bottom be used for anything different that the copyright?

1. Take a look at the web site design... those corners on the web site are exactly like I made them. As I said before, I wanted to make a skin using avast! official web site design as a guideline, and I wanted to transfer that graphic as close as possible.
2. Again, exactly as on avast! official web site
3. there is avast! antivirus wordings over there... or I don't get what you meant... sorry  :-\
4. No, like always, there must be something that points that avast! is Alwil's property... btw, that bar is draggable bar. We use them to drag skins around your screen. There is one on the top of the screen and one at the bottom... that's the one we are talking about.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 04:23:15 AM
I know you like criticism, but I have none. This is truly an amazing skin, you've out done yourself again! Excellent work.

Thanks Staind, and I promise you that it looks much much better when it's in use... screenshoots are just still pictures, but once skin becomes alive on your desktop, it looks much better...

Thanks again !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 05, 2005, 07:13:29 AM
So you managed to hide the buttons eh? ;D Hey,Sasha,could you send the compiled skin to my email? I'd like to see the On-Demand in action,so i can suggest something or even check how you realized my idea. I'm really curious :)
This could be a major breakthrough for avast! skin design :)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: xistenz on May 05, 2005, 07:22:43 AM
Wow! That's looking really good. Can't wait until it comes out!  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 12:34:50 PM
So you managed to hide the buttons eh? ;D Hey,Sasha,could you send the compiled skin to my email? I'd like to see the On-Demand in action,so i can suggest something or even check how you realized my idea. I'm really curious :)
This could be a major breakthrough for avast! skin design :)

Actually, I had that idea loooong time ago, but I never played with it so much... it was from the period when Technical asked me is it possible to make minimal skin with hidden display area, but I never spent that much time checking on it... for the display area, it's much more complicated, but for the buttons, it's a little bit easier...

Anyway, RejZor, thanks for bringing that idea to life again... sure it helped me a lot to discover how to accomplish "hidden" buttons effect.

The secret is - you have to animate buttons, and that's all. Make another button, in this case "On-Demand" button, and with it, call those 3 buttons... don't forget, you have to make animated buttons... just like animation for sliding pannels, except, now you have to have animated buttons. Button actions is not possible to see from SkinBuilder, so you have to work "blindly"... just use existing 3 buttons MEDIA, FOLDER and LOCALDISK and add some animation to them... that's all.

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 12:37:43 PM
Does anyone have some free web space, and is able to host these two versions ? So, you all would be able to check those skins ?

Thanks in advance !

Must leave now, but I'll be back soon...  ;)

Alwil ? When our guy Vlk is coming back ? Is there anyone else who can check on these two versions of skin, please ?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 05, 2005, 01:17:24 PM
I can host them if you want. I have plenty of web space.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 05, 2005, 01:21:23 PM
It looks very nice, but it's better test it... :)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 01:21:47 PM
That's very generous of you RejZor, but I'm little bit concerned about wasting your bandwidth...  :-\

If you think that I should send them to you, just let me know, then you should make a link, so people can download it from that location and try both of them...

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 01:24:26 PM
Oh, I forgot to say that I had to resize those 3 buttons at the top... because I went with UPDATE VIRUS DATABASE instead of iAVS and/or UPDATE VIRUS D.BASE etc.

(http://img128.echo.cx/img128/7599/22ry.jpg)

It was kinda long, so I had to shrink VIRUS CHEST button and enlarge UPDATE button... just like DavidR suggested earlier in this thread... I think it looks nice now...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Dwarden on May 05, 2005, 01:25:52 PM
Excelent looking design ... what's actual size ?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 05, 2005, 01:27:24 PM
Don't worry about bandwidth. I got this space with my internet connection (when i signed for my ISP). It's without any limits for bandwidth and servers are very fast and reliable.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 05, 2005, 01:27:34 PM
Much better now, Sasha ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 01:27:54 PM
Thanks Dwarden.

What do you mean by the size ? In pixels or physical size of the file ? In pixels, it's actual size you can see on those screenshoots...

File is around 1.8 Mb, and I used 8-bit BITMAPS with alpha channel (transparent) instead of 24-bit BITMAPS like before. We all know how much 24-bit bitmaps like to "eat".  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 01:31:54 PM
Don't worry about bandwidth. I got this space with my internet connection (when i signed for my ISP). It's without any limits for bandwidth and servers are very fast and reliable.

OK, thanks RejZor, then we'll do that... please, if you can wait, I'll send them to you in next few hours. Right now I have to finish some other stuff and then I'll get back to you. After that, you can post a link in this thread.

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: TedNelly on May 05, 2005, 01:34:15 PM


Sorry to appear dumb but how do you get a look at this new skin  ???

Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 05, 2005, 01:51:57 PM
See the previous posts... ;)



Sorry to appear dumb but how do you get a look at this new skin ???


Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: TedNelly on May 05, 2005, 01:57:12 PM


Thanks  :P
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: bob3160 on May 05, 2005, 02:29:19 PM
Jill
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sZc  Norton does not come with skins, AVG does not come with skins, Trend Micro does not come with skins.
Remember that a missing feature in a program isn't a PLUS.
Remember, the choice of which AV program to use is ultimately up to you.
Remember, you are not forced to you any skin.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 05, 2005, 02:48:01 PM
But look from another side. What if Norton inerface sucked big time and you wouldn't be able to change it?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: TedNelly on May 05, 2005, 02:56:22 PM


Look before you buy or could be ouch big time

What do you mean IF  Norton interface sucked

Devoted Avast convertee
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 05, 2005, 03:02:29 PM
I meant if Norton interface was terrible,you couldn't change it to a difefrent one.
With avast! you can.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: TedNelly on May 05, 2005, 03:07:56 PM
 

RejZoR   no worries I know what you mean I have had some pretty horrible times with Nortons

Being able to change Avasts interface is just one of many benifits the user should be given a choice

at what they have to look at especially when paying

Personally I like your clean modern interface designs
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: DavidR on May 05, 2005, 03:54:38 PM
I do like the latest version and can't wait to give it a test run when you have the web space sorted.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 04:39:29 PM
OK, I'm back... in a minute I'll send my skins to RejZoR, so he can upload them on his web space... soon he'll post the link...

This looks pretty neat, but still guys... my favourite skin, the best one I have ever made, in my books still is RejZoR-Sharp.

Haha, RejZoR... did you see ? I dedicated my best skin to you. Will I get something like that with your latest release ?  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 05, 2005, 05:33:13 PM
It's RejZoR. With capital "R" in the end!
I'm still trying to find the name for the skin (although it's not finished yet).
I wanted to use EDGE for the name. Hm...
SZC EDGE

Is this name Ok? Skin will be very squared without rounded edges so i think this name should be fine :)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 05:38:01 PM
It's RejZoR. With capital "R" in the end!
I'm still trying to find the name for the skin (although it's not finished yet).
I wanted to use EDGE for the name. Hm...
SZC EDGE

Is this name Ok? Skin will be very squared without rounded edges so i think this name should be fine :)

haha, that would look so nice, although I don't know if other people would like it... but sure, it would make me sooooo happy... finally someone will do that for me...

But with just one remark... put SZC in small letters and EDGE in capital if possible... like this szc EDGE

This is so nice. Thanks RejZoR  ;D  ;D  ;D

I'll send you those two skins in a minute... ok ? Best of all they are packed and size of both skins doesn't exceed 150 kb  :o... usually, all those skins in skin section, compressed are around 250kb to even huge 800kb (Pirate skin), but this is much much better... I'll send you files
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 05:40:39 PM
Skins sent... everything fine... let me know have you received them.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 05:42:57 PM
SZC EDGE
Is this name Ok? Skin will be very squared without rounded edges so i think this name should be fine :)

So, you are telling me that I am square headed ? Ok, thanks buddy... ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D (joke)

EDIT: download links removed to the page number 13, reply number 191... or you can just click here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13208.msg112191#msg112191
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 05, 2005, 06:04:09 PM
If i'm honest,i like both versions. They are the same,but different...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 06:18:22 PM
RejZoR - can you remove 3in1 just for a minute please ?

I found a little glitch and I'm changing it right now... I'll send you new version in a minute. Remove existing one for now, just not to spread that version. I want people to see finished product.

I'll be back in about 10 minutes...


Edit: problem fixed, you all can proceed with downloading... of course if you want, hehe...  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 06:27:00 PM
OK, I sent you new fixed version of Silhouette_3in1 skin . Please let me know when it's uploaded instead of the old one, so I can re-enable that link...

Thanks in advance !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 05, 2005, 06:38:24 PM
Ok,i have uploaded your new version.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 06:40:07 PM
Thanks buddy, I'll re-enable that link again...  ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: DavidR on May 05, 2005, 06:51:43 PM
Great work as usual Sasha.

Just downloaded them both and Like RejZoR, I think that the both look great, my preference would be the 3in1, to me it looks a little better balanced.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 07:01:47 PM
Yes maybe because of the order of the START and STOP buttons, but to be true David... I really like when something is not 100% symmetric, so the first one looks little bit better to me... I don't know...

Anyway, I'm glad you like it... RejZor lit up that idea again, after Technical asked me million of times is it possible to hide display area until it's needed, you said you would really like to see that idea realized... and I was categorical about that one... so I said to myself, I have to do this somehow... anyhow...  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: XMAS on May 05, 2005, 07:07:59 PM
Hey Great skin  ;D
I like it a lot!!! ( and the both versions )
Thanks /szc\  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: xistenz on May 05, 2005, 07:27:34 PM
/szc\, I really like the Silhouette 3-ini-1 skin.

If I may make a suggestion, can you move the "On-Demand Scan" button down (picture 1), and when it is clicked, it will move up with the other three and stay on top (picture 2)?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Lisandro on May 05, 2005, 07:28:40 PM
Sasha, did you remove the status bar?
What about the 'big' window title (with the word avast...)?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: xistenz on May 05, 2005, 07:38:41 PM
Also, I think that the colors look a bit too washed out, if you know what I mean. What about bringing a bit more colour to the "avast! antivirus" title area and the shield?

(http://www.avast.com/eng/images/web_26.jpg)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 05, 2005, 07:39:53 PM
Great work!!! ;D

I prefer the Silhouette_3in1_by_SZCraftec.aswcs... ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 05, 2005, 07:42:56 PM
I agree with you...

Maybe if the buttons had a more darker tonality... ;)

Also, I think that the colors look a bit too washed out, if you know what I mean. What about bringing a bit more colour to the "avast! antivirus" title area and the shield?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 05, 2005, 07:51:27 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o.... Now I'm at home after the long work's day... closed the door, quickly started the pc, page after page I have "eaten" the forum posts... AND I FOUND THE 2 DOWNLOADS... what I can say? Guys, you made Avast! not only the best antivirus of the world but also the beatifulst. And It seems there's no end: the creation is continuing... how is thinkable built something better? ... neverthless, I'm sure you will know to invent something still more incredible.  I have my mouth open for the astonishment... The God of Arts bless you!!! :D

THANKS!!!
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: XMAS on May 05, 2005, 07:58:53 PM
If I may make a suggestion, can you move the "On-Demand Scan" button down (picture 1), and when it is clicked, it will move up with the other three and stay on top (picture 2)?

Yeah I think that this is very good idea ;)
But anyway the skin is great!
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 05, 2005, 08:00:49 PM
Yep, much better... ;D

If I may make a suggestion, can you move the "On-Demand Scan" button down (picture 1), and when it is clicked, it will move up with the other three and stay on top (picture 2)?

Yeah I think that this is very good idea ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 05, 2005, 09:30:52 PM
/szc\, I really like the Silhouette 3-ini-1 skin.

If I may make a suggestion, can you move the "On-Demand Scan" button down (picture 1), and when it is clicked, it will move up with the other three and stay on top (picture 2)?

I'm sorry, but as I mentioned earlier in this thread, it's not possible to nest one animation sequence inside another one... actually, it is possible, but one of those two animation sequences contains buttons, not just plain animation. Buttons also have their function, so it's not easy to control 2 animations and 4 different buttons states. If you want, I can make it even more complicated this way - each one of those 3 buttons at the bottom has 5 different button states (normal, mouse over, mouse press, pressed and in use, and pressed but not in use). Also, On-Demand button has 3 states (normal, hover and press). Try to add those animation sequences and bunch of information inside... you'll get pretty ugly picture. So, I'm affraid, we should leave it this way...  :-\

EDIT: hehe... I made it ! Take a look in here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13208.msg112128#msg112128 (after reading it, search for the post with screenshoots little bit lower on that page)


xistenz wrote:
Quote
Also, I think that the colors look a bit too washed out, if you know what I mean. What about bringing a bit more colour to the "avast! antivirus" title area and the shield?

It is possible, but believe me, it doesn't look too good. I wanted to bring the focus to what's important on the screen, not those additional adornment. That just part of the design, and I really believe it looks good this way. Buttons and functions are what is most important.

Also, If I make everything with transparency value 255 (totally visible and not "washed out", just like on your picture), what do you think would it be possible to see those infomration in Sliding Panels ? No, it wouldn't be possible at all. So, I think that most important right now is, how that skin behaves. See example here (first picture looks great, but when in action, when you see those sliding panels, it would look like... I don't wanna say that word... ;D ). Believe me, I tried everything, and I know exactly what are the limitations when you work with these things... avast! sign (logo) looks wonderful when in full color with no transparency, but unfortunatelly, that area where logo sits, is reserved for sliding panels... no room for everything  :-\

(http://img205.echo.cx/img205/432/40mb.jpg)

vAMPiRiC CRoW wrote:
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Maybe if the buttons had a more darker tonality...  ;)

Darker ? They are dark brown already, and that's exactly the color from those buttons and banners from the avast! official web site. As I said before, this skin is based on avast! official web site design, and I don't wanna go far from that... If you guys prefer light-coloured buttons, there is a plently of skins in download section... some of them are already made with light coloured buttons...

Technical wrote:
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Sasha, did you remove the status bar?
What about the 'big' window title (with the word avast...)?

Which status bar Technical ? This skin never had any status bar... Also, what about big window title ? There is already avast! antivirus logo over there.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 06, 2005, 01:21:43 AM
Sasha, I honestly applause you for your patience here.

Being far from those forums for a while, I had big interest reading the recent threads about skins in this general section (that I never checked up to today).  :)

I really have to tell you must have angelic qualities to listen to all those critics about little details and so on. I wish I had half that amount of patience. ;D

Like I said in the other thread by RejZor, simply follow your own inspiration. Don't try to please a majority, because anyway noone can please everyone in any domain.

Follow YOUR inspiration. It's not because I happen to prefer the skin "ABC" instead of the skin "XYZ" that the latter is any worse than the first. It simply means that I prefer it, and probably somebody else will think exactly the opposite.

I believe that ALL skin creators do a good job in every of their finished products. And it doesn't really matter if one skin is more popular than another. As long as the creator felt it had to be done and as long the creator felt he/she have done a good job then, the inspiration will have acheive its goal.

Follow your inspiration.  ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 01:31:11 AM
Thanks my Canadian friend ! Thanks for all kind words, I really appreciate everything you said. People like you make our job even more worth...

And best of all, take a look at this reply, my friend xistenz posted inthis thread (one page earlier):

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13208.msg112091#msg112091

I told him that it's impossible... and it's really pain in the rear end "fighting" with this SkinBuilder... but I won this game as well. Yes, haha... I solved that problem too, and now we will have sliding On-Demand button just like those 3 buttons at the bottom of the screen.

Too bad RejZoR is at deep sleep right now (he lives in Slovenia), so we have to wait till tomorrow. I will send him my new skin and he will upload it to his web space. After that, I'll add that downloading link along with other 2 links on previous page. This version is much better than those two previous versions.

In about 10 minutes I'll post screenshoots...

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 01:36:58 AM
Also, I was going to ask you how your huge skin creation process is progressing ? I remember once you mentioned that you are working on something huge, around 17 Mb or something like that.

I would really be glad to see more people making skins and making the available in skins download section. I look forward to see your work, and I have no doubts you are great artist yourself.

Thanks again for kind words !

Regards !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 01:53:17 AM
Here they are... few screenshoots... it's working flawlessly, I am free to say ! Hurray ! Once again...

I hope you'll like it people !

Cheers !

(http://img115.echo.cx/img115/7887/preview5vf.jpg)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 06, 2005, 01:57:11 AM
Sasha, you're welcome.

About your recent discovery, I'm glad you found some new way out of the very limited Skin Creator. I think I've also found some kind of different way to "approach" the working of this software too then when I finished mine. Not easy to go beyond with so many limitations.

In my case, my skin works since two months and I'm the only user of it.

I didn't post anything about it because it's kind of totally going in the opposite direction as you, totally counter-current as other skin builders, and I felt it would not receive a good welcome at all.

Here's why :

Skin includes : 88 objects + 102 images.
.ASWCS File Size : 1,980,086 bytes
.ASWS File Size : 16,800,256 bytes

It's basically very dark, the main idle screen showing tow black monoliths whose relational dimensions are 1 x 4 x 9 (reminds you of something?). ;)

But the main thing is instead of using this only static background, I preferred to go with a more "human" feel and use full-scale pictures of a model I entirely created from scratch in a 3D software. Amongst other things, the model is shown in different poses depending on mouseovers to different buttons. Another thing that is controversial is I decided that the model would look like a superheroine in a skintight suit. I don't think it is offensive at all, as my goal was to create a fiction model, but I know that certain people might find it unacceptable.

This week, though, I decided to discuss about it with Vlk by e-mail, and up to now, to my surprise, he looks interested. 8)

So that's about all I can say about it. I'll let Vlk decide if it can be discussed more. I'll be glad to post a new thread about it if he believes it can have a place on this site.

Thanks for your interest and continue your good work.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 02:07:08 AM
Listen to me and liste to all others my friend... I really appreciate Vlk's opinions, after all he is our guru, and with all due respect.... but, I have to tell you, you don't have to wait for Vlk's answer to post screenshoots in here. I am sure your creation is wonderful and kinda different. I like to see different solutions for the same problem. Yes, file size is unbelievable huge, but even with size like that, I'm sure it will be no problems for people on High-Speed internet to download it and give it a try. I'm just thinking how it will affect system resources if it's runs in the background, but anyway, who keeps his avast! main window always open on the desktop ?

Hit us with those screenshoots !  ;D

Take care !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 06, 2005, 02:17:04 AM
About the resources, speed of the PC isn't slowed down so much at all.

As I mentioned to Vlk, the worse case scenarios happens on opening and in the skin select window, where an additional four seconds is needed before we can the next window open.

And don't forget, my PC is a generation II 400 MHz one, so people with machines running at 1 GHz and faster will probably not feel any slowing down.

But I know many are picky on those little details, hence another reason why I waited so long before to try to get Vlk's opinion directly.

Heck, I saw people complaining about the size of one of your skins that's about 3 MB, as it took too much place on his 100 GB hard disk. ::)

So, be patient, maybe I'll decide to post a little more on it soon.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 02:22:19 AM

Heck, I saw people complaining about the size of one of your skins that's about 3 MB, as it took too much place on his 100 GB hard disk. ::)

Haha, I remember that... unbelievable ! Like it's taking up some space or something...

I'm looking forward to see your masterpiece !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 06, 2005, 02:23:16 AM
By the way, I have two technical questions for you :

I'm not using the Windows XP, so I didn't finish my skin dealing with the possibilities of XP's "translucent" option.

My questions are :

1 - Are all Avast skins available here exploiting this translucent thing?
2 - Do you personally think it's better to integrate what's needed in the skin in order to get those translucent effects?

If so, I might have to work more on my skin. As I said to Vlk, this is the only thing about my skin that I wonder if it's still a prototype.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 06, 2005, 02:33:11 AM
By the way, before you answer, I'm not referring to the transparence option for the objects that's available in Skin Builder, but the XP translucent thing.

 ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 02:36:14 AM
By the way, I have two technical questions for you :

I'm not using the Windows XP, so I didn't finish my skin dealing with the possibilities of XP's "translucent" option.

My questions are :

1 - Are all Avast skins available here exploiting this translucent thing?
2 - Do you personally think it's better to integrate what's needed in the skin in order to get those translucent effects?

If so, I might have to work more on my skin. As I said to Vlk, this is the only thing about my skin that I wonder if it's still a prototype.

1 - No, not all of them... just those that have TGAs with Alpha channel inside. We had some bad experiences with some people's graphic cards... they had so many problems with those skins, I still don't know what caused that problem... I know that as soon as I removed TGAs from my skins and used 24-bit BMPs, their problem disappeared... big mistery.

2 - I'm affraid I didn't catch this one... you'll have to rephrase it please... my English is still limited. Anyway, translucent effect (transparency) can be easily achieved with TGAs with alpha channel. Martin used to use those, but I gave up on TGAs. If you are asking me about those plasma looking effects, then you don't even have to use anything... You can find those effects in SkinBuilder and they are highly configurable... something like on my Bionic-avast! skin (display area)...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 02:39:08 AM
See here:

(http://img108.echo.cx/img108/2750/preview9yt.jpg)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 06, 2005, 02:44:58 AM
Okay, so if I understand you well, you decided to make your skins not "XP translucent" by removing the TGAs and using only BMPs, right?

I also found out that the TGAs seem to create a lot of problems. So I preferred to keep BMPs.

 :)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 03:04:34 AM
You're right... actually I don't believe that TGAs are causing those problems... but some weird graphic cards with all those features and improvements, reads those TGAs in a weird way...

Anyway, your skin will not be translucent if you don't use TGAs with alpha channel in your skins. If you want to make some parts translucent (half or whatever percent visible) you have to use TGAs with alpha channel and prepare those pictures in Photoshop or whatever program supports them...

If you are affraid how everything will look, just use BMPs and and that is what you see is what you get, hehe...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: bob3160 on May 06, 2005, 03:13:53 AM
Newton
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I really have to tell you must have angelic qualities to listen to all those critics about little details and so on.
I can't resist:
He probably does but watch out for his horns. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 06, 2005, 03:16:05 AM
Anyway, thanks for your help and good words. :)

Wow, I just went to the skins page and I didn't know there were already 35 of them. So with your new one and the one coming from RejZor, there will be 37 to choose from.

:D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 03:24:31 AM
Haha Bob... neither you are a butterfly... or maybe... well I don't know...  ;D  ;D  ;D

(http://img35.echo.cx/img35/1249/butterfly9vr.png)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 06, 2005, 03:26:56 AM
Haha Bob... neither you are a butterfly... or maybe... well I don't know...  ;D  ;D  ;D

(http://img35.echo.cx/img35/1249/butterfly9vr.png)

Hihihihi... Could be a good start for your next skin design. :P
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 03:28:04 AM
Anyway, thanks for your help and good words. :)

Wow, I just went to the skins page and I didn't know there were already 35 of them. So with your new one and the one coming from RejZor, there will be 37 to choose from.

:D

Yes our download section is growing.. I made myself 18 skins out of those 37, plus 3 versions of latest Silhouette skin. I would be really happy to see more people trying to contribute to skin section...

I just sent my latest release to RejZoR and he will upload it to his web space tomorrow. Link will be available in this thread tomorrow.

Take care !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: bob3160 on May 06, 2005, 03:31:13 AM
Thanks Sasha
I see you're showing all of my best qualities. ;D ;D

Fly like an Eagle sting like a Bee
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 06, 2005, 03:35:39 AM
I just sent my latest release to RejZoR and he will upload it to his web space tomorrow. Link will be available in this thread tomorrow.

Take care !

OK but for a skin to appear here on this site, I thought you had to send it to Vlk.

Am I right?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 03:40:13 AM
Yes you are right Newton... but Vlk (Ondrej) is in USA (I think so, but I'm not 100% sure), and untill he comes back, I needed some web space to upload those skins, so people can try and test them. RejZoR generously offered his web space, and that's why I'm sending those to him...

Also, I'm just finishing e-mail to Vlk, and latest skin is "flying" towards him... weherever he is (in USA or in Czech Republic), he'll get that e-mail. When he catches some spare time to check that skin, I'm sure he'll do that. He was soooo fair towards me, whenever I had to send him something or had some requests...

Alwil is greatest bunch of people, and that's why we all are sticking here...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Lisandro on May 06, 2005, 04:59:29 AM
But Vlk (Ondrej) is in USA (I think so, but I'm not 100% sure)
He said he was at San Francisco Airport comming back to Czech but the airplane was late... I think he is in Europe again  8)
What about your new son, Vlk? Is he (or she) healthy and strong?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 06, 2005, 06:09:14 AM
The lastest screenshot's are great!

You are doing an excellent job Sasha... ;)

I hope that tomorrow, in a few hours ;D, I can test it myself... :P
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: xistenz on May 06, 2005, 11:21:16 AM
That's fantastic, Sasha! This will be your best skin yet!
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 12:17:08 PM
Thanks guys... it's not a matter is it going to be best skin I ever did or not... but the truth is, you people are really demanding  ;D That's why I had to add On-Demand Scan option, haha  ;D

Just kidding... anyway... problem is solved and I am so happy I can give you what you want. Ooooh, I'm soooo glad I proved once again that I can do that, and best of all, it's working perfect, you'll see...  ;)

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 12:23:43 PM
OK people, thanks to our great friend RejZoR, we have a link for latest one, called Silhouette_4in1 (4 buttons in one anim). Of course, that's just code name, I encourage you to download version that's gonna be placed in avast! skins download section, once Vlk upload it over there. It will be under Silhouette name, or maybe it will keep the same name if they decide to upload both versions... one with regular buttons for all those which prefer it that way, and one with hidding buttons... why not ? We already have Matri-X-kin for boys and girls...  ;D

EDIT: Links are removed by me... since I released new versions, and RejZoR is away at the moment, so I am not able to upload new skin versions on his web space. Stay tunned, Alwil guys already got my new versions, and soon, you all will be able to download them from official web site. Thanks !

Silhouette 3in1 doesn't exist any more... 4in1 replaced it since it looks and "feels" much better...  ;)

Thank you RejZoR, thank you everybody !
Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: TedNelly on May 06, 2005, 01:07:32 PM

Just installed the new Skin (Silhouette) Very clean professional interface I like it a LOT

Well done Excellent work
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 01:17:39 PM
Thanks  P3t3rb0nn.

Tell me, do you like the way I accomplished xistenz's idea to slide On-Demand button along with those 3 other buttons at the bottom of the screen. I personally like it very much... really, this looks much much better than before...

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: TedNelly on May 06, 2005, 01:41:26 PM
Tell me, do you like the way I accomplished xistenz's idea to slide On-Demand button along with those 3 other buttons at the bottom of the screen. I personally like it very much... really, this looks much much better than before...


Yes /szc\ I agree the On-Demand buttons are a great idea easy to use, straight forward,and very well done

I have repace the skin I was using Lite-On with Silhouette very classy looking indeed 

Thank you /szc\
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 01:54:43 PM
Thank you very much. I'm glad that you think this skin looks professional. I know there were few attempts to make a professional looking skin, and I'm not sure have we succeeded any, but anyway, now we've got ourselves one more horse for race, right ?

Some people complained about "too gamey" looking skins in download section... but I still believe that it is actually very good if we give multiple choices to avast! users, much better than just one default look. This way, everybody can find something for him/herself... if you like, "gamey" skins, you have few choices, if you are more into "professional" design, you have something in download section... on the other hand, if you don't like skins at all, you can have skinless interface. Alwil Software made a wonderful step forward with all these features I strongly believe.

Here is another screenshoot... "in action" - when LOCAL DISKS as scanning location are selected, and when scanning process is running. I like how those 3 buttons shows us what is selected and what's not...  ;)

Cheers !

(http://img227.echo.cx/img227/7350/previewaction1jt.jpg)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 06, 2005, 02:00:30 PM
Sasha,

can you add the "Selected Paths"  area to the skin?

And the "Background" button isn't necessary?

Regards
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: bob3160 on May 06, 2005, 02:15:41 PM
Thanks Sasha I have to agree this is the best one yet.
One Problem.... No Star Trek sounds..... ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 02:24:32 PM
Sasha,

can you add the "Selected Paths"  area to the skin?

And the "Background" button isn't necessary?

Regards

I'm sorry but that's not possible. I don't have access to those information and it has to be hardcoded in avast! code. Anyway, I already sent this skin to Vlk, and I strongly believe that if I add even one small thing to that skin, it will lose simplicity and professional look. We all tried to make something simple, so let's not complicate things even more.

What do you mean by "Background button" ? You meant on On-Demand Scan button when disabled ? Yes, it should be there, and as you can see, it's greyed out... that means that it did it's function, it brought those 3 subbutons to the screen and it didn't disappear, but went grey to show that On-Demand area is "in use". Button is greyed out just to show that On-Demand button is not accessible at that point, but also it shows us that On-Demand area is active. Also, On-Demand Scan button in the background breaks symetric form of the display area, which I like the most. I hate when something is 100% symetric. Nothing in the World is perfect, so neither our display area... Symetric = sometimes boring. I really like it this way, and even if I haven't sent that skin to Vlk, I don't believe I would change that anyway...

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 02:26:25 PM
Thanks Sasha I have to agree this is the best one yet.
One Problem.... No Star Trek sounds..... ;D

Haha... Start Trek sounds... you are telling me that someone will come and ask for those too ? Then we can just turn that skin into childs playground... add some sand pool, some plastic toys, little butterfly, and instead of MENU button - little plastic bucket for digging the sand  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 06, 2005, 02:28:03 PM
New inspiration for skin? ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 02:32:02 PM
Haha, yes maybe... perhaps... I still have many friends down in Croatia, and some of them really like those "gamey" skins... maybe I should make one for Ondrej's little beautiful baby boy... something like "avast! for precious kids".

That would be a blast... I know that. And I would really like to see what would all those avast! haters out there have to say regarding that skin. It would be something like: "HAHA, This is most professional skin they ever came up with... it sucks just like that antivirus..."

Oh boy, that makes me laugh... I am sure we would see comments like that...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 06, 2005, 02:37:29 PM
Sasha,

I'm talking about this button:

(http://img67.echo.cx/img67/3048/avastskinquestion4ew.png)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 02:44:12 PM
That button doesn't exist on skined interface. At least I never saw it there... As I said, it's hardcoded into avast! program itself. It has nothing to do with skins, so we don't have access to those information... or at least, I am not aware of them...

Anyway, you can always press MINIMIZE button up there on the skin and it will bring your scanning process in the background.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: RejZoR on May 06, 2005, 03:44:42 PM
Minimize is the same as Go to Background.
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 03:51:57 PM
Yes, I mentioned same thing in my previous post... everybody can just use MINIMIZE button and that'll do the same job.

So I guess it is possible just to add new button, go to background, but then, all we get is unnecessary two buttons with exactly the same objective.. minimizing to the task bar. And worst of all, we don't have enough space on the skin, and I didn't want to make another huge skin.

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Spyros on May 06, 2005, 04:09:25 PM
Sasha, congratulations!
I've been using the skinless version since it came out, because of the clean & simple interface. But you made me use skins again with this one. I believe it should be avast's default skin from now on.  8)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 04:42:18 PM
Thank you Spyros, but I wouldn't go that far (regarding default skin)... I mean, I am really glad you people like it, but it just don't feel right towards Martin Novak. He is the one and only designer that Alwil house pays. He does some remarkable graphic jobs for Alwil Software. I don't believe that anyone can replace his work just like that, and I don't think it would be fair to choose someone else's skin as default one. Sure I'd be very glad if one of mine skins is default one, that's a dream of every skin designer, but as I said I don't think it would be appropriate action...

I am also sure that Martin Novak can come up with something so professional that it will just "kill" my latest skin release. He proved that million of times by now, with that wonderful, easy for the eyes, web site design, wonderful skins (he is the one that actually started all this skin craziness  ;D), publicities and other stuff... also, his SIMPLE USER INTERFACE (skinless one) is wonderful and unbelievable good. Sometimes I get bored with skins myself, so I use his SUI (skinless).

I am very happy you all accepted this project and you all were part of it.
WE DID IT TOGETHER PEOPLE !!!
It's not just me, and it was always like that... it's just some people never see those things. I wanna thank you all for giving your opinions and suggestions, you all were great part of designing this project. I also wanna send some special thanks to DavidR (THANK YOU) and to RejZoR for being so kind and let me use his web space for these 3 releases (actually there are 2 versions only left, 3in1 is out of the business since 4in1 completely "killed" it).

I also wanna thank to Martin Novak for using his idea and design style of the avast! official web page. I had great time porting it to this skin project. I hope he will find this skin attractive and good looking.

Thank you people !!!
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Spyros on May 06, 2005, 04:46:55 PM
(actually there are 2 versions only left, 3in1 is out of the business since 4in1 completely "killed" it).
OK, in a couple of years, I'll start selling it in the black market as a "collector's item"  ;D

I also wanna thank to Martin Novak for using his idea and design style of the avast! official web page. I had great time porting it to this skin project. I hope he will find this skin attractive and good looking.
Amen  8)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: rdsu on May 06, 2005, 04:49:18 PM
Thanks for you work, Sasha ;)  :P
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 04:54:08 PM
(actually there are 2 versions only left, 3in1 is out of the business since 4in1 completely "killed" it).
OK, in a couple of years, I'll start selling it in the black market as a "collector's item"  ;D

Haha, let me know if you manage to make even one cent on it  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: DavidR on May 06, 2005, 06:19:55 PM
I have downloaded all three versions and by far I prefer the 4in1 version, although they all have a professional look and feel to them, it comes down to personal preference.

With the latest version (4in1) it is the best version yet as it has a much cleaner line with the 4in1 rising together. It gets rid of that empty space below the On Demand Scan button of the 3in1 version.

I also like the Silhouette (vanilla version) and some may feel that this version allows for a slightly quicker access to the type of scan without first clicking the On-Demand Scan button. This however, does require some user knowledge of the types of avast scan (and a first time avast user may not have that experience), for this reason I feel that the Silhouette_4in1 (if that is to be its final not beta name) would be best for the novice user.

I think we have had a good number of people on the forums download these (perhaps RejZoR could let us know how many downloads have been made if his ISP has these stats) to confirm that they function as expected.
Is it now time to request that Aliwl have the Silhouette and Silhouette_4in1 added to the Skins download area?

If only one can be added I would suggest Silhouette_4in1 but I would also like to see the Silhouette (vanila version) added as well.

What do you all think?
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 06, 2005, 06:34:08 PM
Thanks David ! Thanks again... well put, I have nothing to add... Vanila version, haha, that's sounds so nice... I gues all we have to do now it to wait for somebody from Alwil to respond to this thread. Sure it would be great to hear from them, what they think of this little project. I already sent 4in1 to Vlk last night, and gave him link for standard version (Vanila... I really like this word), so he can download it form RejZoR's web space...

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 07, 2005, 02:22:24 PM
I also wanted to direct your attention to following thing... yesterday I've got IM from my friend asking me this:

Quote
Well, now a little technical note: I see a small problem using the 4 in 1 skin: when both the sliding panel of Local Disk and Removable Media are open, it's impossible to close the Local Disks slide clicking on the small "x" icon. Maybe is a behavior of my pc only? (I must buy a serious graphic card, 'cause my old nVidia FX 5200 is slow)

Again, it's not the bug, and nothing is wrong with anyone's graphic card ( ;D) . It's completely normal avast! behavior. You all may already noticed that when you open those two sliding panels (REMOVABLE MEDIA and LOCAL DISKS) by pressing REMOVABLE MEDIA BUTTON, it's not possible to close those two sliding panels with little X box (close) located on LOCAL DISKS sliding panel. If you take a look at display area, you'll see that SCAN LOCAL DRIVES line is changing it's value from ON to OFF and backwards. So, it means, LOCAL DISKS panel does it's function...

After all, you brought those two sliding panels to your screen by pressing REMOVABLE MEDIA BUTTON, so you can not expect to close them with some other button, in this particular case with LOCAL DISKS. If you press little X box (close button) located on the REMOVABLE MEDIA sliding panel, panels will slide back in. Of course, if the state of SCAN LOCAL DRIVES line inside display area is still set to OFF (that means those options are not active, so avast! thinks: "OK, they are disabled, so I can close that panel as well"), on the other hand if the state of SCAN LOCAL DRIVES line is set to ON, you will be able to close just REMOVABLE MEDIA sliding panel, because then avast! thinks: "OK, LOCAL DISKS options are selected, and active, DO NOT CLOSE that panel yet"... Logically... It is how it suppose to work, believe me nothing is wrong. It's how everything works in avast!

To prove that, I'll ask you to do following thing:

1.) Start your avast! program (with this particular skin or any other made by any of our skin designers), click at REMOVABLE MEDIA BUTTON. That will bring those 2 sliding panels to the screen. Now, totally ignore those sliding panels for a moment, and focus on those 3 usually hidden buttons (LOCAL DISKS, FOLDER SELECTION and REMOVABLE MEDIA). Now, while those 2 sliding panels are still active and visible on the screen (DO NOT TOUCH THEM), just go and try to press LOCAL DISKS BUTTON (note that I said button, and not the little X located on the LOCAL DISKS sliding panel). What's happening ? Nothing... panels will not disappear... exactly the same thing like when you pressed LOCAL DISKS little X (close). Panels are not going to slide back in, and the state of the SCAN LOCAL DRIVES line inside the display area, will change from OFF to ON. You see ? It's how it works...

Now try any other skin from download section (doesn't matter who made it), you can try RejZoR's, or Darren's or even Martin's skin... always exactly the same results.

I already wrote once about these things, when I released avast! Brushed skin, but unfortunately I wasn't able to find that post yesterday... actually I somehow found it, and tried to make another post, just like this one, my session expired (at least that was the message I've got  ??? ), and I've lost everything I typed (ARRRRGGGGHHH!!!  >:( ). Now, I tried everything and I wasn't able for the World to find it again...

I hope this clears this thing a little bit...

Cheers !

EDIT: I still haven't heard from Alwil guys what do they think of this skin, and what are their opinions... I know one thing, that most likely I will have to change one more thing on this Silhouette skin... When I made BACLK LIQUID skin, Vlk asked me to change LOCAL DISKS name located on it's sliding panel, to SCANNING OPTIONS... so I will wait untill he gets back to me with information, does he wants me to do the same thing with this skin as well...

Alwil, please... any info would be greatly appreciated !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: YLAP on May 07, 2005, 07:15:37 PM
(http://img153.echo.cx/img153/4301/newskin0di.jpg)

Looks fantastic. Waiting for final version in website.  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 07, 2005, 08:20:32 PM
censored by myself... but i think the most of television and other medias make more more and more than this innocent joke...  ::)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: xistenz on May 07, 2005, 08:25:12 PM
Avast Men's Edition will out-sell Norton and McAfee combined!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: kamulko on May 07, 2005, 08:28:26 PM
You are right, friend.

as the old wise man said:  "in war and love all it is possible!"
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 07, 2005, 08:29:05 PM
Looks fantastic. Waiting for final version in website.  ;D

Thanks Ylap !

But, that screenshoot is taken from very first version of this skin. Latest version you can download if you take a look at this post:

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13208.msg112191#msg112191

And here you can see few most recent screenshoots:

(http://img115.echo.cx/img115/7887/preview5vf.jpg)

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 08, 2005, 12:58:38 AM
Sorry, Sasha & RejZor but I would want to suggest some small modification.... ahahah... ;D

Not sure that the "See the naked Alwil team" button is good marketing though...  ;)

Not many girls in their team. ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: YLAP on May 08, 2005, 11:02:56 AM
And here you can see few most recent screenshoots:

Superb!!! In my opinion it will the best skin for avast ever created! Good job!  8) Who's the master? You're the MASTER!  ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: YLAP on May 08, 2005, 11:30:36 AM
I've just downloaded both skin versions, and i can say the only thing - marvelous. But I prefer standart skin version than 4in1. On the other hand both of them looks fantastic. Nice job, very nice...  ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 08, 2005, 02:43:58 PM
...but I prefer standart skin version than 4in1. On the other hand both of them looks fantastic. Nice job, very nice...  ;)

That's good Ylap, I'm glad opinions are different... that makes both versions interesting... you see ? That's why I think it would be great if we can have both versions listed in avast! download web location. That way, everybody could find something for his/her taste... I know that there will be some people, that feel much more comfortable with "standard" skin version (all 7 visible buttons --> 6 + Menu button) than switching all of a sudden to something "new"... that's why it would be great option to have them both over there.

We had similar situation with Matri-X-kin for girls and the version for boys... Actually I made only one version, but Vlk asked me to make another one, and he mentioned idea about having 2 versions... one for girls, and another one for boys. It looked like nice, innocent idea, and I listened to him, so today we have 2 versions ready for download.

Alwil, please can we hear something from your side ? At least what do you think about these 2 versions... please, your opinion counts very much, and I'm sure avast! users and forum members would like to hear from you as well...
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: YLAP on May 08, 2005, 02:56:09 PM
Wish you to see your work in avast website available for download soon!  ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 08, 2005, 03:01:29 PM
Thank you Ylap, when you say things like this, it gives me satisfaction... it makes my work worth of effort. If I see that avast! users are happy, then my job is really done well.

Thanks again !
Sasha
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: MFB on May 08, 2005, 09:02:33 PM
/szc\ , that new skin of yours is one of the best I have use since Bionic and Mac Lover
 
 ;D
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 09, 2005, 01:53:11 AM
Sasha,

Excellent work, as usual.  :D

In my case, I prefer your 4-1 design on this skin scheme, because it presents a novelty that push a little beyond the limits of the design possible for Avast.

The only downside that the Avast team might find is the use of words instead of symbols for the buttons. This could be fixed though, by creating different versions for each language possible. I know it's not because of you, but because of the limits linked to the Avast software existing code and the skin builder limitations.

That's what I meant the other day when I was saying that a creator should never create barriers for his/her inspiration. That's a nice example we have here.

Congrats!  :)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 09, 2005, 03:34:29 AM
Thanks my friend !

Yes, it would be great if we could just make a graphic part of the skin, and all those buttons just as a graphic background without the text... if we could somehow "link" coresponding text for each button to some external text file or something containing those command names such as LOCAL DISKS, REMOVABLE MEDIA, RESIDENT SCANNER etc. , that would be wonderful. No problems at all for different language versions then... Every single time skin is started, it would "read" local text file in current language, and then everybody could enjoy this skin in his own language...

Icons... yes, it would be easier, but we are here to explore new horizons and if needed to conquer new ideas. I personally made many skins with icons, and people kept complaining that skins are good, but not professional enough just because of those icon-gamey feeling they've got while using those skins... so, I tried to make something completely different this time... I know, it's not the best solution to put words instead of icons, if you have to make those words as graphic pieces instead of actual text files... this way, we can not "translate" bitmaps... so those words will always stay in English language. If I could just somehow use standard text instead of graphics, that would be great. I'm sure, Alwil guys would find a way to automatically change those text pieces into current language on each computer... this way, we are pretty much stuck with bitmaps... believe me, if I could use text instead of bitmaps, it would help me finish these skins much, much faster than ussual, and it would spare me a lot of extra drawing...

Unfortunatelly, at this point, I'm not sure is it possible to do something regarding that... Alwil guys (again) could tell us little bit more about this idea, if they just came to this thread, at least one of them... but, still no word from them... I haven't even heard from anyone anything regarding this new skin. When it will be available for download from official avast web site, and even is it going to be available ?

Alwil, please... let us know...

Thanks in advance !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 09, 2005, 03:41:48 AM
Don't worry, I perfectly understand the issue about the text versus the icons.

Anyway, a lot of countries use the English language as the "second" language, so actually I don't see any problem with the use of English text. For example, here in Québec, programmers learn to program in English, even though the official language is French. I was not criticizing you, on the contrary, I think you once again made great work. It's not up to you to change the Avast code. ;D

Even with the actual code, I believe Avast is a step beyond all other antivirus software because of the skins possibility. ;)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 09, 2005, 03:55:40 AM
Newton, I know you weren't criticizing me... no need for explanation my friend, I completely understand you... it's just, I felt like I had to explain this text over bitmap situation little bit better. I would be really happy if there is any possibility we can use some external text files or something in the future... it would make us all much happier.

Cheers !
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: Newton on May 09, 2005, 04:17:43 AM
About the famous "icon/gamey" versus "text" thing, I counted the skins for kicks and there are about 30 of them with icons and 5 with text. So I guess I am beginning more to understand now why some people are wanting something different.

But I absolutely do NOT agree with those people who think that the "icons" skins are not "professional". >:(

I simply think it's a matter of taste. All the available skins look "professional" to me.  :)
Title: Re: New skin is coming...
Post by: szc on May 13, 2005, 02:19:06 PM
I sent new versions of skins to Ondrej (changed few minor cosmetic things at Vlk's request as well as fixed small glitch when it comes to proper showing of sliding panels).

I'm sure it won't take long till they re-test everything and upload them to official download section.
Once those new versions are uploaded and ready for downloading, I encourage everyone to download new versions and replace the old ones, since there are some fixes included in new versions...

Thanks for your interest people !

Regards !
Sasha