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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: SUSZANNAH on June 16, 2005, 01:28:02 AM
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Next silly question.......how do I know which type of Java I have? and if I have the wrong one, how do I change it.... ???
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open your Programs folder...
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yes, but how can I tell which one I should have...and which one I have...if you know what I mean....sun java or the other one ???
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The Java in the image below is the Sun Java Applet
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yes, found that but mine says 2re1.4.2.03...make any sense to you??
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Yes, is the old version. You can update it.
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mmmm problem is can't speak Italian either.... ;D
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so I have sun java???
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I have modified the image below... see, please (I hope you'll learn Italian: I will be happy to help you!) ;D
ADDED: you can also surf to the sun microsystems website and download the last version.
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so I have sun java???
yes, found that but mine says 2re1.4.2.03...make any sense to you??
Well, it does not seem to be the out-of-box Microsoft Java VM at least (Technically, there is only Sun java but I think this makes the story rather longish). So, I guess you have Sun Java 2 Standard Edition somehow. Considering that you enjoy "net entertainment" often, I think the update is necessity. Please do as the Italian says.
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You can always go to http://www.java.com and get the latest version by clicking on the button
(http://www.java.com/en/img/download/button_javasoft_download.gif) (http://jdl.sun.com/webapps/getjava/BrowserRedirect?locale=en&host=www.java.com)
On a slightly different note, does anyone know if http://joeq.sourceforge.net is in anyway similar to Sun's JAVA VM and can I use joeq instead of the Sun offerring?
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Kamulko,
You have an old version of Java installed (1.5.0_2) which has a security vulnerability. You need to download the latest version (1.5.0_3) here:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
See my posting here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=9671.msg121050#msg121050
Suszannah,
j2re1.4.2.03 has a BIG security hole and you need to update NOW.
http://www.pcflank.com/news251104.htm
Download the latest version from the link above and install.
Due to a problem with previous versions of Java, you must go to Start>
control Panel>Add/Remove Programs and uninstall any older versions of Java. IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, MALWARE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO RUN UNDER THE OLDER VERSIONS AND YOU WILL STILL BE VULNERABLE TO ATTACK!
Regards,
FF
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Kamulko,
You have an old version of Java installed (1.5.0_2) which has a security vulnerability. You need to download the latest version (1.5.0_3) here:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
See my posting here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=9671.msg121050#msg121050
Suszannah,
j2re1.4.2.03 has a BIG security hole and you need to update NOW.
http://www.pcflank.com/news251104.htm
Download the latest version from the link above and install.
Due to a problem with previous versions of Java, you must go to Start>
control Panel>Add/Remove Programs and uninstall any older versions of Java. IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, MALWARE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO RUN UNDER THE OLDER VERSIONS AND YOU WILL STILL BE VULNERABLE TO ATTACK!
Regards,
FF
:o I think…that version is only available in English at the moment. :(
O.K. Frank, I have a question this time around, then. Do I need to uninstall Microsoft JVM as well?
I have already done my homework and I know how to uninstall it.
1.Start>Run>cmd
RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection java.inf,UnInstall
Say yes to the question and restart the computer.
2.Delete the Folder and Files below
WINDOWS\java
WINDOWS\inf\java.pnf
WINDOWS\system32\jview.exe
WINDOWS\system32\wjview.exe
3.Start Regedit and Delete the keys below.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Java VM
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\AdvancedOptions\JAVA_VM
My question is, do we need to do this?
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Hi Umath,
There is an automated tool to remove all traces of MS JVM, available from the link below.
To test if you have JVM, go to Start>Run>Cmd and type jview.
(If it says not recognised, then you haven't.)
If you have it, the important thing is to make sure that it is build 3810, because previous versions have major security holes.
As to whether to remove it completely... On the one hand, if you have any applications on your computer that depend on JVM, they might stop working. On the other hand, JVM is only being supported up to 2007, so after that time any security problems won't be fixed and having it around will be a liability.
The choice is yours...
http://www.mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/java.php
Oh, and by the way, watch out for JVM coming back to your system if you install older programs because they might require JVM and install an older, insecure version, putting your security at risk!
This happened to Johnny223 recently:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=14241.msg120483#msg120483
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Thank you for the quick reply, Frank. I've got the info above from this site (http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=38206&DisplayTab=Article) but your links are more informative.
Now that I uninstalled the old JVMs thanx to your help, I'd wait for the latest version of Sun JVM suites my OS' language. I use many English apps including Avast! (different from Kamulko! ;)) but JVM is way too integrated to the system.
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Hi guys! :) I think you are talking about the latest Development Kit.
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Kamulko!
I think 1.5.0_02 must be the latest version in your language as Umath mentioned because there is definitely a 1.5.0_03 version of JRE available, in English at least.
(http://donaldbroatch.users.btopenworld.com/java5ver3.jpg)
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Hi, Frank! Happy to find you again :)
Maybe you are right but I tested it on the English site, as you can see ??? . If I open my console, I can also choose the interface language of the panel... is a mistery... 8)
ADDED: please, can you check if your java is the beta version? The official current version is installed by default when you check for updates.
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Hi Kamulko!
Seems to be a full version:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
Java JRE is notorious for not recognising that an update is available: maybe that's the source of the mystery!
Regards,
FF
(http://donaldbroatch.users.btopenworld.com/javatest.jpg)
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Maybe we have the same version but the last 2 numbers after the "_" are the symbols of the different locations... :P... I say this because at this moment I checked the java package on my laptop (OS in en/us language). I surrender! ;D
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That number's definitely the update number. Have you tried downloading the latest version and installing it over the old one?
Download the full package as the online install will perhaps not recognise that you need to update at all.
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
This is what I normally do to force JRE to update.
Don't forget to check for the old version in Add/Remove because if it isn't removed it will still be a security vulnerability.
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Thanks. I will try... ;)
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Hi Kamulko,
I have the same version as FreewheelinFrank, Version 1.5.0 (build 1.5.0_03-b07). I've also heard the update checking from within Sun Java isn't always completely reliable, so I watch for updates and do it manually.
Maybe I'm going to more trouble than is necessary, but I also uninstall the old java, reboot, and then install the new.
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Nothing to do: uninstalled and re-installed: "You have the latest..." ::)... I'm curious to know something about from the Sun guys!!! ;D (we are posting at the same time and I see now your post. Thanks Inconnu). You are from France? Inconnu is the same as Unknown/Sconosciuto :)
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OK. I can't understand a thing now! >:( Today updated my Java. But about screen is showing this as I understand old version, but update says "Up to date". ??? I think I'll need to download it directly from website.
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Hi Kamulko,
I have the same version as FreewheelinFrank, Version 1.5.0 (build 1.5.0_03-b07). I've also heard the update checking from within Sun Java isn't always completely reliable, so I watch for updates and do it manually.
Maybe I'm going to more trouble than is necessary, but I also uninstall the old java, reboot, and then install the new.
Me, too. Finally, I've got a multi-language version, which shows the version as 1.5.0 (build 1.5.0_03-b07) in my OS' language.
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Yep, manual update helps. ;) But because of my stupid brain I've installed development kit, not runtime enviroment. So I had to remove sometrhing after that! ;D Thanks god kit had runtime enviroment as standalone installation. ;D
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Thank you all for the advice.....and also to FF for giving me an easy explanation of how to do it, I now have the new version and am back online so I must have done something right...... :)
Sometimes my silly questions turn out to be not so silly........ ;D
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Hello SUSZANNAH,
He is only silly, that never asks a question. And all of us on birth knew absolutely nothing. It is going to be very, very warm on this side of the North Sea. :P
greetings,
polonus
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I have read and read all of the above. I wish I had been here when it was being hashed out.......but...
I am pretty sure I don't have the latest version. Just intuition + things just happen to me.
I went to the download page FF referred to, but I saw several places of things to download and I didn't see the version # that he mentioned.
Could someone please point out not only what but where I should be clicking to get the lastest version.
Plus do I understand before installing the new one that I should uninstall the old one through the install/uninstall page?
Thanks
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Emma, remove the old version after installing the new one, if you have a problem with the email I sent you let me know...... :)
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I've updated to the new 1.5.2 -b09 version, (apparently the latest one I can get when I run the update) but what's the scoop on removing older versions?
I remember reading somewhere (I think it may have been on Java's website) that you should keep the old versions unless you're low on disk space because they might contain pieces that the new version will draw on to use. Others say it's best to remove the old versions (Freewheelin Frank in an earlier post said they might even be a security issue).
I still have 1.4.2-03 and 1.4.2-06 showing up in my program files and in my Add/Remove. Is it best to get rid of them?
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It's essential!
The older versions have security holes and leave you computer open to attack, even if you have the latest version installed, because the writer of a Java applet (program) can specify which version to use to run the program.
For example, the writer writes a line of code which says:
"Use version 1.4.2 if present on computer"
The applet will then ignore 1.5.x and use 1.4.2 to infect your machine.
No new version of Java depends on an older version, so you can safely remove them.
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I downloaded the new version as per instructions sent to me by Susz (from FF)
I installed.
In the Intall/Uninstall section I noticed I had 3 different Javas. I successfully deleted 2 of them. When I tried to delete the 3rd, I got the below message.
I tried to look for it but just found all sorts of Java stuff. (The download for the l.4 is sitting in a folder on my desktop from previous times)
Help in deleted the old java is appreciated.
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Hi Emma,
You probably have a version conflict. Try uninstalling the latest version of Java, and see if you can then uninstall the earlier version. Normally it is possible to remove the earlier version after installing the new one, but it seems there is a problem with Windows Installer Service jamming up when multiple versions of a program are installed.
http://www.tech-recipes.com/windows_tips450.html
I found a 'Windows Installer CleanUp Utility' on the MS web site, so if the advice above doesn't work, we can try that and it should fix it.
FF
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I uninstalled all the #5 and tried to get rid of the 1.4. Some other messages appeared.
I downloaded the MS uninstaller but have done nothing with it.(expect put it in a corner of the desktop where I won't lose it)
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Hi Emma,
Did you get the MS program from here?
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;290301
I just downloaded and installed it on my computer. No problem. You have to go to Start>All Programs because it doesn't put an icon on the desktop.
Upon opening the program (Windows Install Claen Up) you get a very simple program interface listing the programs in Add/Remove.
Find the Java line and right click on it. (It should be highlighted in blue.)
The remove button should become active at the bottom of the screen.
Click on the remove button.
Exit the program. (You can uninstall it from Add/Remove)
Check in add/Remove that all installations of Java have gone and reinstall the latest version.
With any luck this should fix it!
FF
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All Done! Out with the old and in with the new!
Thanks! and Thanks in advance for next time. ;)
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That was quick!
You're welcome anytime.
FF
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I'm all cleaned up too!
Thanks FF :)
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garyb
That script in your code which shows the ISP of the person reading your post is
something that really isn't used on this forum.
It's been talked about many times before. I know, I used to have it in my signature. ;D
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Oops, sorry :-[
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Thanks :) :) :)
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JAVA 2 SE RUNTIME ENVIRONMENT 5 UPDATE 4 Released
can be downloaded from
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
Susz and I just got the hang of the "JAVA JIVE." ;D Does this mean we have to learn some new dance steps? again?
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No new steps. Just the same steps over again. Cha cha cha!
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Practice makes perfect.
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Damn, took me long enough to pluck the courage up to do it last time........... :)
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phew....a few panicky moments there, but I am back so far so good.......after installing update 4, rebooted and firewall went off, then rebooted again and AOL didn't want to play.......seems ok at the moment....hate these damn updates........ :)
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Practice makes perfect.
I think I read someplace that there is a # 5 out. I will do a search and let you know. ;D
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Don't you dare.......... :)
just leaves me WinPatrol and MS Antispy to tackle......a few Valium needed first...... ;D
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Hi everyone
I have been following your discussion on java.
When it comes to computers i suffer from being brain dead.
Anyway i am downloading the lastest version (hopefully) .
When i install this can i remove versions jre 1.5.1 update and jre 1.5.2 update. from my add remove program.
Do i install the new version before i uninstall the older versions.
I wan't do nothing to i here back from you kind people
Please don't laugh at me too hard :-[
cheers
Late wire i decided to install the download But the version is (1.5.0 Build 1.5.0_o4_bo5)
As you can see not version (1.5.0_03-b07) is this a problem.
Do i still need to uninstall update versions 1 and 2.
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Hello again
one more question concerning build 1.5.0_04-b05
does this contain updates 1 2 3 updates, for java
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I believe this last version of Java your talking about is for computers with the 64 bit processor technology. If your pc is a 32 bit type processor you wouldn't want to download the 1.5.0_04 b05. I may be wrong but I would be careful before downloading that one. I un-installed my 2 older versions of Java before downloading the 32 bit version which I believe is the 1.5.0_03 version. This I understand is the safest way to try and make the change of Java versions from Sun. Upon looking at the #4 update again it may be that the version for a Windows platform is NOT for the 64 bit systems but is instead for a Windows 32 bit system, it's really confusing. Just be careful before downloading. Also I don't know if this latest build contains the updates for 1,2, and 3.
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Hello folks,
JRE 5 Update 4 supports 64-bit Windows but does not require it: it also works on 32-bit Windows.
Updates are cumulative: if you get the latest one, it includes all the old ones.
These updates consist of a lot of bug fixes, occasionally including some which affect security.
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/ReleaseNotes.html
It's ok to install the new version over the old.
The old version will remain in Add/Remove Programs. It's important to remove the old version if is one that has a security vulnerability because the writer of a Java applet can specify which version of Java to use if there are more than one on a computer. Even if you have the latest version, malicious Java code can still run if you have not unistalled the old version.
All older versions can safely be removed after installing a new version. I think they just hang around so that anybody who writes Java code can test their code on the different versions to see how they run.
I have JRE 5 update 4 alone on Win-32 and it works just fine.
Of course, all of this is meant to be an automatic process:
http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000020700.xml
I wish somebody would explain to me why Java automatic updates doesn't work? ???
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Hi neal63
Yea i'm not sure either but i tried to find version version (1.5.0_03-b07) but could find references to it but not to where i could download it.
Shows how stupid i am.
Thanks neal63
Hi FreewheelinFrank
You have solved my problem .
I have now installed version (1.5.0_04 b05. ) and have removed updates 1 and 2 from the add remove programs.
Thanks a million FreewheelinFrank.
cheers
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Thanks Frank for clarifying this. :)
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For more easy install, download and install Sun Java Unattented installation here:
http://ryanvm.msfn.org/
(Make sure you uninstall your old version first...)