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Title: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Nolly on February 23, 2014, 09:19:03 AM
I am a newbie. Can someone please explain what the number means that is attached to the green (circle) icon in the top right of my browser.

Am I being tracked or not?

I have avast! Free Antivirus with the latest update.

Thanks,
Norman
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Pondus on February 23, 2014, 11:10:42 AM
do you have a screenshot.....

Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Paul_D on February 23, 2014, 05:09:42 PM
Agreed. A screenshot would be very helpful. And it would help to know which browser you use.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: AdrianH on February 23, 2014, 05:16:11 PM
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avast! Online Security is a web browser protection plugin for Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Safari and Internet Explorer that combines WebRep (reputation rating system for visited websites), Site Correct (automatic correction of mistyped web URLs), Antiphishing (protection from phishing scams) and "Do not Track" features (prevention of third-party sites tracking your web browsing activity) to let you browse the web safely and securely.

What is the "Do not Track" feature in the avast! Online Security browser protection plugin and how does it work?



http://www.avast.com/en-us/faq.php?article=AVKB89#idt_14

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It helps prevent analytics, social media, and other third-party sites tracking your web browsing activity, a number is displayed under the plugin icon in the top right corner of your web browser. When you click on it, the user sees a list of all the analytics tools and tracking software on that site. The user can then choose which to allow or deny.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Firecat on February 23, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
I too am trying to make sense of this new tracking device.  Fact is I do not want it.  It is really messing things up.  The setting button does not respond.  How do I turn it off.  My Pandora has quit working right since this thing was installed.

Thanks
Firecat
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: -midnight on February 23, 2014, 10:48:29 PM
I too am trying to make sense of this new tracking device.  Fact is I do not want it.  It is really messing things up.  The setting button does not respond.  How do I turn it off.  My Pandora has quit working right since this thing was installed.

Thanks
Firecat

You can disable it in Firefox Extensions.  I still have it enabled though.  It hasn't messed anything up for me.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Pondus on February 23, 2014, 10:50:41 PM
Any avast module you dont want can be removed from ad/remove programs > uninstall/change > change.....untic what you dont want and reboot

Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: CraigB on February 23, 2014, 10:51:40 PM
I too am trying to make sense of this new tracking device.  Fact is I do not want it.  It is really messing things up.  The setting button does not respond.  How do I turn it off.  My Pandora has quit working right since this thing was installed.

Thanks
Firecat
You can go into the settings by clicking on the green icon at the top of your browser and untick tracking or other features, or you can disable the browser module by right clicking your browsers toolbar and untick, or you can remove it altogether via the change feature option that is given when you click to uninstall avast.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 23, 2014, 11:08:39 PM
Hi Nolly,

How can you mistake an avast! anti tracker tool for a tracking device is beyond me. This very part of the avast solution disables third party tracking  in your firefox browser, so it does not track itself but blocks others from tracking you. If users read the word" tracking" somewhere without really understanding the workings of the tool,  they immediately get paranoid and into arms. It always is a bad thing  to get paranoid without understanding why. This part of avast av is just disabling and blocking  third party tracking. In your case it is   just something you should want and be glad to have. Do you want to be tracked?. :o  When the answer is no, then do not disable it. The number is just the amount of tracking being blocked!

polonus
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Firecat on February 23, 2014, 11:52:29 PM
Thanks so much -midnight.  You were exactly right.  Now the Pandora works again.....YEA!  You're awesome  :-*
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: bob3160 on February 24, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
If Pandora is blocked, it isn't by avast! as the screenshot clearly shows:
(http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1393249524759-48953.png)
The music comes in loud and clear. :)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 24, 2014, 03:07:05 PM
Hi bob3160,

A good thing here is that our forum user, -midnight, never disabled it.
The more protection against tracking the better, and she is right.
So she was the only one taking the right decision i.m.h.o.  ;D
So 10 points go out to -midnight ;)

polonus
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: -midnight on February 24, 2014, 09:27:55 PM
I have everything blocked.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Nolly on February 25, 2014, 08:55:38 AM
Thanks for your replies. With some intuition and some research I have managed to answer my own question.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Alievitan on February 25, 2014, 12:12:40 PM
I have everything blocked.

Offtopic but you have every security extension known to man in Firefox it seems to me.  Bitdefender, Avast, Mcafee are just a few I recognized. 
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: -midnight on February 25, 2014, 01:04:57 PM
I have everything blocked.

Offtopic but you have every security extension known to man in Firefox it seems to me.  Bitdefender, Avast, Mcafee are just a few I recognized.

I have Bitdefender"s Traffic Light, McAfee secure search bar, wot, ghostery, Dr. Web, Webutation amd a couple more security extensions.  How would you know what security extensions I have?  ???
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: bob3160 on February 25, 2014, 03:36:52 PM

I have everything blocked.
I have everything blocked.

Offtopic but you have every security extension known to man in Firefox it seems to me.  Bitdefender, Avast, Mcafee are just a few I recognized.

I have Bitdefender"s Traffic Light, McAfee secure search bar, wot, ghostery, Dr. Web, Webutation amd a couple more security extensions.  How would you know what security extensions I have?  ???
He's observant and simply looked at the screenshot you posted. It isn't magic or anything else. :)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 25, 2014, 03:58:17 PM
Hi -midnight,

Funny and striking, I share the following browser extensions with you, -midnight: BitDefender TrafficLight, ghostery, WOT and webutation.
I would change McAfee (probably came installed with the comp, my wife has it too) for DrWeb's extension.

BitDefender is really detecting an awful lot of baddies, but you have to discriminate and sieve out the detected uri's from  those are no longer actual.
Ghostery tracking is not delivering all trackers, that is why I added Do Not Track Me.
Do this test to check if they know where you came from - that page before this one- : http://www.zeigen.com/refer/
For Blue E test here: http://ie.microsoft.com/Testdrive/Browser/DoNotTrack/Default.html
Then you can adjust your browser of choice,

polonus
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: -midnight on February 25, 2014, 05:16:02 PM
Hi -midnight,

Funny and striking, I share the following browser extensions with you, -midnight: BitDefender TrafficLight, ghostery, WOT and webutation.
I would change McAfee (probably came installed with the comp, my wife has it too) for DrWeb's extension.

BitDefender is really detecting an awful lot of baddies, but you have to discriminate and sieve out the detected uri's from  those are no longer actual.
Ghostery tracking is not delivering all trackers, that is why I added Do Not Track Me.
Do this test to check if they know where you came from - that page before this one- : http://www.zeigen.com/refer/
For Blue E test here: http://ie.microsoft.com/Testdrive/Browser/DoNotTrack/Default.html
Then you can adjust your browser of choice,

polonus

I have Adblock Plus, Bitdefender Quick Scan, Do Not Track Me Online Privacy Protection, Dr. Web Anti-Virus Checker,  Facebook Phishing Protector, Ghostery, Google Disconnect, McAfee Site Advisor, No Google Analytics, Track Me Not, Webutation and Wot.  Should I disable some of these extensions?  ???
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 25, 2014, 05:30:09 PM
Seems a good mix. If they do not slow down the browser. Why uninstall?

Oh. one there I do not like.
Bitdefender Quick Scan is an adware lurer, that is trying to lure users to go and install Bitdefender's av.
Take that off and install Bitdefender TrafficLight extension instead.
That is the one you should have in the browser.

DrWeb's is fine because it detects on avast!'s blind spots.
The rest are legit tracking blockers a good combination actually.

Bitdefender TrafficLight is an extension like Dr. Webs and WOT and is a pre-url checker,
so it delivers pre-check results for  the url search results that your search engine query serves up on your search result page,
and then  it blocks you from going to bad sites just like Google Safebrowsing does.

pol
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: -midnight on February 25, 2014, 05:37:39 PM
Got rid of Bitdefender Quick Scan and installed Bitdefender TrafficLight extension.  :)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Charyb on February 25, 2014, 05:42:45 PM
I can't get onboard with all these extensions. How can the extension itself be trusted against exploits?

http://blog.trendmicro.com/mozilla-firefox-exploit-enlists-pcs-advanced-botnet/

When are attempts at more security, too much?
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Para-Noid on February 25, 2014, 06:10:54 PM
FWIW I use Bitdefender Traffic Light and PrivDog and that's all I have.
Too many extensions just creates more opportunities for conflicts.  :)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: essexboy on February 25, 2014, 06:24:56 PM
Hmm to me an overkill ... I use AIS and IE11 and that's your lot.  I wonder the browsers still run with all that :)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: -midnight on February 25, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
Hmm to me an overkill ... I use AIS and IE11 and that's your lot.  I wonder the browsers still run with all that :)

You think I have too many extensions?
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 25, 2014, 06:41:55 PM
For a lean and mean install I would keep DrWeb's and Bitdefender TrafficLight combined with DoNotTrackMe Online Privacy Protection.
Maybe just WOT, but a lot of folks do not like WOT, but I sometimes find interesting info there.

pol
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: bob3160 on February 25, 2014, 07:13:13 PM
For a lean and mean install I would keep DrWeb's and Bitdefender TrafficLight combined with DoNotTrackMe Online Privacy Protection.
Maybe just WOT, but a lot of folks do not like WOT, but I sometimes find interesting info there.

pol
Damien,
Nice tools for someone who analyses Malware.
Too many addons for someone who uses their browser to access the internet. :)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 25, 2014, 07:17:55 PM
I know, but I read "Trying to understand tracking".
How would -midnight do that then?
I am sure she has her way to get at the facts  ;)

polonus
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: bob3160 on February 25, 2014, 07:21:29 PM
I know, but I read "Trying to understand tracking".
How would -midnight do that then?
I am sure she has her way to get at the facts  ;)

polonus
She's not the person who started this thread. :)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: schmidthouse on February 25, 2014, 07:28:20 PM
I know, but I read "Trying to understand tracking".
How would -midnight do that then?
I am sure she has her way to get at the facts  ;)

polonus
She's not the person who started this thread. :)

Ah, just reading along. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: digmor crusher on February 25, 2014, 11:37:43 PM
I use Trafficlight, Ghostery, AdBlock Plus and LastPass in Chrome with no browser slowdowns.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: -midnight on February 26, 2014, 12:41:07 AM
The FF extensions I use don't make my browser run slow.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 26, 2014, 01:14:46 AM
Hi -midnight,

It is OK, use the extensions as they are kind of road signs - red means do not click further - not safe and secure, if in doubt go to virus and worms sector on our forums and ask polonus for an analysis. He is glad to comply. One red from for instance Bitdefender TrafficLight and all other extensions green. Not worth the risk to venture out there and/or click that link. I rather take Bitdefender's advice, and in most cases they block for a good reason. Better safe than sorry, don't you think so? You are learning fast now, let us proceed.

All greens and then you may go on on Interwebs highway. Green means proceed with what you planned to click. Or cut and paste and scan first when it feels phishy or you are not quite quite sure. ! When you found all is OK you can click through and feel sure sure.

So you use the results of these extensions as a sort of indicators/ road signs to go by and know whether to click on or not.

Got all this so far? The main news has already arrived then.  ;)

Your extensions in FF are automatically updated and insecure extensions are thrown out by FF developers. So feel safe, despite what other say.  :P

Now some advice on DrWeb's url checker's versatility. Green is OK - Red is danger - Violet/Purple means suspicion!
Now read carefully and look for this step by step and take your time to learn.
I take you by the hand now and will lead you through the extension's possibilities. Awesome really.

DrWeb's link checker will tell you on a page what trackers are being blocked -
what social network plug-ins were being blocked -
Flash in plugs can be allowed by default or blocked by you.
Same goes for Ads on the page and last but not least it has a manual blocking mode.

I have that all sitting in my Googler Chrome browser,
sitting there  in the browser bar -right over the browser page -
quite nearby when I am on a specific site-page and for that site I can use the features of it. 

So a bit of exercise and midnight's browser will stay as clean as a whistle.

Enjoy,

polonus
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: -midnight on February 26, 2014, 01:55:04 AM
Hi -midnight,

It is OK, use the extensions as they are kind of road signs - red means do not click further - not safe and secure, if in doubt go to virus and worms sector on our forums and ask polonus for an analysis. He is glad to comply. One red from for instance Bitdefender TrafficLight and all other extensions green. Not worth the risk to venture out there and/or click that link. I rather take Bitdefender's advice, and in most cases they block for a good reason. Better safe than sorry, don't you think so? You are learning fast now, let us proceed.

All greens and then you may go on on Interwebs highway. Green means proceed with what you planned to click. Or cut and paste and scan first when it feels phishy or you are not quite quite sure. ! When you found all is OK you can click through and feel sure sure.

So you use the results of these extensions as a sort of indicators/ road signs to go by and know whether to click on or not.

Got all this so far? The main news has already arrived then.  ;)

Your extensions in FF are automatically updated and insecure extensions are thrown out by FF developers. So feel safe, despite what other say.  :P

Now some advice on DrWeb's url checker's versatility. Green is OK - Red is danger - Violet/Purple means suspicion!
Now read carefully and look for this step by step and take your time to learn.
I take you by the hand now and will lead you through the extension's possibilities. Awesome really.

DrWeb's link checker will tell you on a page what trackers are being blocked -
what social network plug-ins were being blocked -
Flash in plugs can be allowed by default or blocked by you.
Same goes for Ads on the page and last but not least it has a manual blocking mode.

I have that all sitting in my Googler Chrome browser,
sitting there  in the browser bar -right over the browser page -
quite nearby when I am on a specific site-page and for that site I can use the features of it. 

So a bit of exercise and midnight's browser will stay as clean as a whistle.

Enjoy,

polonus

polonus,

Thanks for the info about the different extensions.
 

-midnight
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Charyb on February 26, 2014, 04:58:29 AM

Your extensions in FF are automatically updated and insecure extensions are thrown out by FF developers. So feel safe, despite what other say.  :P

What do you mean by this? Specifically, "despite what other say."??

We should let the users decide by research and gaining knowledge and not relying on the opinions of the few.

This is lengthy and mentions avast SafeZone, LastPass extension, etc.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/security/3470806/malicious-browser-extensions-pose-a-serious-threat-and-defenses-are-lacking/
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: schmidthouse on February 26, 2014, 05:10:34 AM

Your extensions in FF are automatically updated and insecure extensions are thrown out by FF developers. So feel safe, despite what other say.  :P

What do you mean by this? Specifically, "despite what other say."??

We should let the users decide by research and gaining knowledge and not relying on the opinions of the few.

This is lengthy and mentions avast SafeZone, LastPass extension, etc.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/security/3470806/malicious-browser-extensions-pose-a-serious-threat-and-defenses-are-lacking/

Yup, that's a good read.
Thnx for the link ;)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 26, 2014, 03:53:04 PM
Hi schmidthouse,

I already went through -midnight's extension-list in FF and the ones she mentioned were all legit ones. The only one I frowned upon was the Bitdefender Quick Scan, because it is like McAfee's Security Scan Plus foist-scare-ware and trying to lure users into trying/buying their av solutions. Click & Clean also pushes Bitdefender's Quick Scan, so we can frown on that extension too. I hate this fashion really, but avast! is pushing and recommending Google Chrome downloads also. I hope midnight will not install obscure extensions and always ask us first. That is why we are having this here forums to inform each other and stand on each other's shoulder - infowise. So yesterday's victim can help out tomorrow's victim in a sense.

I like DrWeb's extension because it gives you a possibility to allow or block per site. Now the problem for new users is what to block and what not to block.
Shakespeare did not have that problem in his days, but we might have. Learn what to steer clear from and that is half of the job.

Good browser developers got that wise that they block java now as by default and let users only use it when there is an absolute need for it.
But sometimes users do not know what extensions they really need.

I like to check on SSL security so in Google Chrome I can use Recx Security Analyzer and Netcraft Extension. In firefox I use Calomel SSL validation extension and checking a https-site I saw they had really weak security and an extended certificate and no forward security installed. So you see even a lot of banks are not using best security procedures. A lot of website security and server security if analyzed will really bring plenty of tears to your eyes - where ignorance, unprofessionalism, lack of common knowledge, arrogance and sloppiness go hand in hand to create a vulnerable insecure brew and of-course attackers and malcreants then come to feast on that, like vultures come to their prey.

So yes the Interwebs are pn*w*d and all, including some mal-extensions that are broken, but not everything is insecure. Let us not preach panic or paranoia. As with the java plug-in I hope browser developers will block insecure extensions and not only block adblocker-settings because they interfere with their ad-earning-schemes (Google's monopoly on Mobile banned ABP-downloads for instance).

polonus
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: -midnight on February 26, 2014, 05:15:04 PM

Your extensions in FF are automatically updated and insecure extensions are thrown out by FF developers. So feel safe, despite what other say.  :P

What do you mean by this? Specifically, "despite what other say."??

We should let the users decide by research and gaining knowledge and not relying on the opinions of the few.

This is lengthy and mentions avast SafeZone, LastPass extension, etc.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/security/3470806/malicious-browser-extensions-pose-a-serious-threat-and-defenses-are-lacking/

If polonus tells me an extension is safe I'll keep it, if he says it's not safe I'll remove it, just as I did with Bitdefender's Quick Scan yesterday.  Should he tell me I should remove another extension I will. 
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Para-Noid on February 26, 2014, 05:28:10 PM

Your extensions in FF are automatically updated and insecure extensions are thrown out by FF developers. So feel safe, despite what other say.  :P

What do you mean by this? Specifically, "despite what other say."??

We should let the users decide by research and gaining knowledge and not relying on the opinions of the few.

This is lengthy and mentions avast SafeZone, LastPass extension, etc.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/security/3470806/malicious-browser-extensions-pose-a-serious-threat-and-defenses-are-lacking/

If polonus tells me an extension is safe I'll keep it, if he says it's not safe I'll remove it, just as I did with Bitdefender's Quick Scan yesterday.  Should he tell me I should remove another extension I will.

Good for you! Take good advice then put it into action.  8)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 26, 2014, 05:42:23 PM
Hi Para-Noid,

Well it was not for nothing that Google had announced that they were going to block installation of apps in Chrome from outside the Chrome Web Store.
There were also plenty of security reasons for this move. See all the issues with LastPass to comply with Google rules  :D

polonus
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Charyb on February 26, 2014, 05:50:47 PM
If polonus tells me an extension is safe I'll keep it, if he says it's not safe I'll remove it, just as I did with Bitdefender's Quick Scan yesterday.  Should he tell me I should remove another extension I will.
I believe polonus gives great advice. Do I believe that one advice is a perfect fit for another? Does one shoe fit all? No.

Have you ever wondered why avast created the SafeZone for browsing which excludes extensions?

Please read here regarding critical thinking. http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 26, 2014, 06:06:54 PM
Hi good friends Para-Noid and Charyb,

Everything can be abused or be another attack point for hackers. Life is dangerous period, the final outcome is the only certainty we all have.  :-X
Life is only a little more secure when you have your feet hidden under the table and do not move out or around. Bit boring to me.
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Modify a legitimate add-on to perform unauthorized actions. FFSpy is a proof of concept that illustrates how this can be accomplished. This involves editing NoScript’s XUL overlay file and the altered add-on can be made to intercept HTTP requests and to report data posted through HTML forms, such as a user credentials, to a remote server.
  -> http://www.mcafee.com/threat-intelligence/malware/default.aspx?id=218725
Quote taken from Siva Ram.
But I again haven't heard such a scenario for the run of the mill security add-ons, that a hacker was able to replace the legitimate add-on files with modified ones that contained malware. They soon would have found out, wouldn't they?
Do you have an example? So I strongly feel DrWeb's link checker, WOT and Bitdefender's TrafficLight to be secure extensions. Well in the sense as I put it to -midnight there.
I always download the add-on onto my computer download file first via another browser, scan it good and then reopen the xpi file into the firefox browser from there to install.
Again trust no-one and check everything, once bitten twice shy!

polonus
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Charyb on February 26, 2014, 06:21:30 PM
My point is a blanket statement regarding extensions.

For example (posted earlier):
From Trend Micro which was posted January 7, 2014.

http://blog.trendmicro.com/mozilla-firefox-exploit-enlists-pcs-advanced-botnet/

"An exploit in Mozilla Firefox may be enlisting thousands of PCs into a botnet that scours the Web for vulnerable pages that can be targeted later on by automated SQL injection attacks. The issue is a malicious Firefox extension that masquerades as a legitimate add-on. Although discovered only recently, the botnet may have been active since May 2013."

According to Trend Micro, this exploit may have been active for over 6 months.

Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Para-Noid on February 26, 2014, 06:25:34 PM
@ Charyb I agree "one size does not fit all", however the tools/extensions polonus suggested are
safe. Personally I don't think much of either WOT or Webutation. To me they are more or less based
on popularity and are not security based. I put trust in the online scanners which have proven to be
more security minded. The scanners I use dig a lot deeper than anything like WOT and Webutation
could ever dream of.

But as to -midnight and her present needs the ones polonus suggested are plenty safe for her.  8)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Para-Noid on February 26, 2014, 06:27:08 PM
My point is a blanket statement regarding extensions.

For example (posted earlier):
From Trend Micro which was posted January 7, 2014.

http://blog.trendmicro.com/mozilla-firefox-exploit-enlists-pcs-advanced-botnet/

"An exploit in Mozilla Firefox may be enlisting thousands of PCs into a botnet that scours the Web for vulnerable pages that can be targeted later on by automated SQL injection attacks. The issue is a malicious Firefox extension that masquerades as a legitimate add-on. Although discovered only recently, the botnet may have been active since May 2013."

According to Trend Micro, this exploit may have been active for over 6 months.

Could this not be said for "any" open source software?
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 26, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
Hi Charyb,

That goes for extensions but also for plug-ins and the browser as a whole.
This means you propagate to use a browser as by default.
You have the avast shields on? Do you use a sandbox?

Reminds me of youngsters to day.
Give your computer a happy go licky swirl, click and browse around to your heart's content,
when it does not function anymore take the back-ups and restore.

pol
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: abruptum on February 26, 2014, 06:37:53 PM
Well it was not for nothing that Google had announced that they were going to block installation of apps in Chrome from outside the Chrome Web Store.
There were also plenty of security reasons for this move. See all the issues with LastPass to comply with Google rules  :D
Google is hypocritical.There are already many bad extensions in the Chrome Web Store.

  https://www.extensiondefender.com/database-chrome.php

That is one of the reasons why I don't use Chrome.Also I can see problems in the future with installation of browser integration extensions for different download managers.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Charyb on February 26, 2014, 06:45:13 PM
My point is a blanket statement regarding extensions.

For example (posted earlier):
From Trend Micro which was posted January 7, 2014.

http://blog.trendmicro.com/mozilla-firefox-exploit-enlists-pcs-advanced-botnet/

"An exploit in Mozilla Firefox may be enlisting thousands of PCs into a botnet that scours the Web for vulnerable pages that can be targeted later on by automated SQL injection attacks. The issue is a malicious Firefox extension that masquerades as a legitimate add-on. Although discovered only recently, the botnet may have been active since May 2013."

According to Trend Micro, this exploit may have been active for over 6 months.

Could this not be said for "any" open source software?
Not just any open source software, but all software.

You never know if and when it will happen so I quit using extensions to reduce the risk. I can still browse just fine without extensions.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Para-Noid on February 26, 2014, 06:49:04 PM
It is not a matter of "not" using extensions.
It is a matter of using the right extensions.

Choose and choose wisely.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Charyb on February 26, 2014, 06:51:34 PM
It is not a matter of "not" using extensions.
It is a matter of using the right extensions.

Choose and choose wisely.
Or, don't choose any and don't have to worry about it.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Para-Noid on February 26, 2014, 06:53:55 PM
True. But some serve useful purposes.
To each their own.

I'm done here.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: -midnight on February 26, 2014, 06:56:11 PM
If polonus tells me an extension is safe I'll keep it, if he says it's not safe I'll remove it, just as I did with Bitdefender's Quick Scan yesterday.  Should he tell me I should remove another extension I will.
I believe polonus gives great advice. Do I believe that one advice is a perfect fit for another? Does one shoe fit all? No.

Have you ever wondered why avast created the SafeZone for browsing which excludes extensions?

Please read here regarding critical thinking. http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766

I use the free version so I don't know anything about SafeZone.

I know what critical thinking means.  I don't need to find out from an article that was written 27 years ago. 

I will continue to keep the extensions I have until and if polonus tells me they aren't safe.
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: schmidthouse on February 26, 2014, 07:09:19 PM
Well it's fine to take advice, and it's fine not to take advice.
I think the point here is to learn from life, so one can make 'independent' decisions not relying on someone else's assumptions, Premises and Paradigms.
imho, We all have different beliefs and learning experiences; none more incorrect then the other :)
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 26, 2014, 07:50:33 PM
OK. Conclusions, use secure extensions and do not use those that overlap.

I think this will be some good training steps for midnight and others too. Take one extension at a time, and see what it does and try to learn to work it right.
Just like I explained about DrWeb Anti-Virus Link Checker. Right click the icon in the browser toolbar and you see Options go there and read: chrome-extension://aleggpabliehgbeagmfhnodcijcmbonb/content/options.html  what that extension was made to do.
On what drops down from the icon when you click it you see: Internet Tracker blocked 0 Social Network Plug-ins blocked 0
Flash plug-ins Allowed by default - Allow for this website - Block for this website - (I have allowed by default for our forum site)
Ads blocked by default - Manual blocking mode Select the blocks that you do not want to see on this page and then press Save
In this way you could choose to block the Google ad on forum.avast.com, but I haven't done so. Seen it so many times now, it does not bother me any longer.

The DrWeb search results you get on a google search results page: Dr.Web Link Checker allows checking links on the Internet through the Doctor Web servers without anti-virus installation on your local computer. OK we can have it next to avast! as an additional. No wrong interactions/conflicts seen.

Here is what you get when you click a link for scanning with DrWeb;s url link checker:

Example pre-scan results after you see a clickable link to be checked with DrWeb:
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Checking: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200171906-Error-522
Engine version: 7.0.7.12100
Total virus-finding records: 4977660
File size: 9606 bytes
File MD5: 155f2c93b4e8a5e358e6fc17b781e2c7

https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200171906-Error-522 - archive JS-HTML
>https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200171906-Error-522/JSTAG_1[32e][26a] - Ok
>https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200171906-Error-522/JSTAG_2[790][11d] - Ok
>https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200171906-Error-522/JSTAG_3[22ed][1ba] - Ok
https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200171906-Error-522 - Ok

this site is safe/secure to click as far as DrWeb url cheker knows.

Now we know what the extension does. How to use it on websites and how to check on a particular clickable link.

Get the habit for working it, do some practice until it all becomes routine whenever you need it.
And remember whenever you see other colors than green, first come here and report at virus and worms.

Remember always this DrWeb extension is an additional, sometimes you need further checking because of the limits on the  depth of the scan
and external link checks, but as a first means of pre-cheking links it is a good pre-scanner.

For a more thorough scan is to manually scan here: http://scanurl.net/?u= (funny DrWeb is not there, but is on VirusTotal scan.

Now for those that do like to check without installing the extension, you can help yourself to the pre-scan here: http://online.us.drweb.com/?url=1

Oh and having Bitdefender's TrafficLight next to DrWeb's gives you an additional detection layer, because of the awful wide detection scope of Bitdefender's.
It is renowned for this.

That is all for now.

polonus
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: bob3160 on February 27, 2014, 02:23:04 AM
@Polonus,
I have 2 computers running Windows 8.1 at our Senior Center without any AV or extensions for the Browsers.
What I do have installed on those 2 computers is a safeguard that always brings the computer back to a clean state
every time they are rebooted.

Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 27, 2014, 07:58:41 PM
Hi bob3160,

Fine good for you, but until you restore you are confronted with all sort of ads. Or do you still have an adblocker extension installed. You see how people are subtly being manipulated to believe that extensions are bad and a security risk. In the context of adblockers the opposite is true, adblockers help prevent certain adware related malware. Just recently a big false flag campaign was raised in Germany to get users to uninstall their adblocker of choice on grounds of alleged security problems. They could not be upfront and say you are interfering with my paying model, disable your adblocker for my site or you get no access, because they also fear to loose users that reject this ad-promotion flat-out and conclude then your site must not be worth the trouble of visiting.. I won't uninstall my Adblocker or tweak it because someone like to serve me ads unhindered and I also won't be manipulated by false agent reports to run the reputation of adblockers and extensions as a whole into the ground.

pol
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: Charyb on February 27, 2014, 10:57:19 PM
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I won't uninstall my Adblocker or tweak it because someone like to serve me ads unhindered and I also won't be manipulated by false agent reports to run the reputation of adblockers and extensions as a whole into the ground.

pol
Specifically, who is making these "false agent reports" that you mention?
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: polonus on February 28, 2014, 12:10:23 AM
Hi Charyb,

Translate into English and verify the misinformation there: http://www.browsersicherheit.info/ and you see what I mean.
And they tried it before: http://paidcontent.org/2013/05/14/german-online-publishers-anti-adblock-campaign-backfires/

polonus
Title: Re: Trying to understand Tracking
Post by: bob3160 on February 28, 2014, 01:29:10 AM
Hi bob3160,

Fine good for you, but until you restore you are confronted with all sort of ads. Or do you still have an adblocker extension installed. You see how people are subtly being manipulated to believe that extensions are bad and a security risk. In the context of adblockers the opposite is true, adblockers help prevent certain adware related malware. Just recently a big false flag campaign was raised in Germany to get users to uninstall their adblocker of choice on grounds of alleged security problems. They could not be upfront and say you are interfering with my paying model, disable your adblocker for my site or you get no access, because they also fear to loose users that reject this ad-promotion flat-out and conclude then your site must not be worth the trouble of visiting.. I won't uninstall my Adblocker or tweak it because someone like to serve me ads unhindered and I also won't be manipulated by false agent reports to run the reputation of adblockers and extensions as a whole into the ground.

pol
adblockers help prevent certain adware related malware
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Very true but only on a computer that can be infected which isn't the case on the 2 I described. :)