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Title: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: panhouska on March 08, 2014, 09:17:19 PM
Will Avast help me somehow in the matter that I'll still have Windows XP after the 8th April? Is it too risky to not upgrade it or is Avast going to patch some most serious flaws in order to the PC be at least satisfactory safe? Because otherwise the idea of protection doesn't make much sense - like to guard all the windows to defend the house against the enemy and to boast how good I am at that but on the other hand to leave the door widely open and unnoticed.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Pondus on March 08, 2014, 09:23:19 PM
Asked several times here..... do a forum search

Avast will continue to work on XP     ;)

Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: DavidR on March 08, 2014, 09:27:18 PM
Try a forum search or browse as this subject has been discussed recently.
For some time there has been considerable FUD about the end of windows support for XP.

Whilst this one isn't directly about it, there is some general information related to it.
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=147021.0 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=147021.0)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 09, 2014, 01:12:18 AM
It depends on what you're doing. If you're doing serious business with your computer, imho you can't let yourself use an unpatched, oudated operating system, especially if you're planing to use it with network/internet access.
If you're only a casual consumer writing some mails to family/friends, play games and you don't use internet shopping/online banking on XP, then it shouldn't do much harm for yourself if you continue on using XP.
However, your computer might be used in a bot net, so if you can, please either turn internet access off or switch to Linux or get yourself for ~$55/€40 a Windows 7 license.

Supporters of "security software" might see it differently, but in case of doubt, you're always better off with a still supported operating system.
Too bad my crystal ball is missing, so I can't predict the actual future, however, if you have the option to switch, do it and let others do the "security testings".

Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Kesetyan on March 09, 2014, 10:56:11 AM
Panhouska,

Whilst it is true that the risks with XP are increased when Microsoft support finishes there is no need to panic if you take reasonable care.  Remember that a certain amount of hype over the matter is in the interest of those who want you to purchase their products so there may be a little over egging of the pudding.

The major security software developers are maintaining support at least for the time being but make sure you keep any of their products you use up to date.  Ensure you have an up to date anti-virus program such as Avast and a Firewall.  Having an on-demand anti-malware program such as Malwarebytes is also a good idea.  Scan your system regularly (say weekly) and at any time when your system appears not to behave as normal.

When on-line, be careful which sites you visit and what links you click.  Be cautious too regarding emails, particularly unexpected ones from unknown senders - again, do not click any links you are not certain about.  Even emails from from known sources can be risky as the sender's computers can be compromised so be suspicious of any links contained and check back with the sender that the email is genuinely from them.  Criminals also pretend to be banks, courriers and various official bodies and send out emails with clickable traps - always suspect emails that contain links and ask for sensitive personal information (remember banks will not ask you for passwords and and other personal details by telephone or email) - again contact the organisation by other means (telephone or the official website) to check the validity of the email.

Safer still, but continuing to use XP for your personal tasks, is to keep all on-line activity restricted to using a Linux live disc.  There are several distributions available - download the iso file and burn the image to disc.  Set the boot order of your computer so that CD/DVD is before HDD and boot your computer from the live disc when you want to go on-line.  You can disable your connection within XP so that it is never connected while your Linux disc will be able to connect when you boot it.

In addition to these precautions, ensure you do regular backups of your data and create a new image of your operating system drive after any major changes.  You will require a good backup program for this (I use Macrium Reflect which is excellent and quite user friendly) - store the backups on external media (say a USB external drive) - you will also need to create an emergency boot cd using the backup program and store it in a safe place - should the worst happen, you can boot your system from the cd, access your backup image when you connect the external storage, run the backup and restore your system.

Remember, most compromised systems are due to user error and can happen with the most up to date systems - the strategy above should minimize risks/
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Undead-Divine-Assassin on March 09, 2014, 02:20:56 PM
One thing I haven't found the answer to about support ending for WinXP is will all the existing security and other updates remain available via Windows Update?

I've been think for sometime about doing a clean reinstall of WinXP on one of my machines and there could be many other very good reasons for doing the same thing for other users. System crashes and particularly those wanting to keep a WinXP installation which, after all, users have paid for, to be able to use legacy software/hardware etc are two obvious reasons that come to mind. If these previous updates are going to disappear then what are the options? 

   
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Kesetyan on March 09, 2014, 02:57:51 PM
One thing I haven't found the answer to about support ending for WinXP is will all the existing security and other updates remain available via Windows Update?
Cluster-Lizard,
An image backup of your system drive, created immediately after the final Windows update for XP, will have all the updates.  Save the image to a secure external device and you will be able to restore it should the need arise.  If you want a clean install of XP, do it before the final update and image backup but make sure you have all your data backed up, as well as program installers and additional drivers not included on your installation disc.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Hammey on March 09, 2014, 04:06:27 PM
Hi yes all the Windows XP updates will still be available through windows update if at some point in time you have to format your PC.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: AdrianH on March 09, 2014, 04:22:12 PM
Fresh install > add Deep Freeze and Data Igloo > end of problem . Nice new system every time you boot up, no malware, no defragging, no maintenance ............ just enjoy using your system.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Undead-Divine-Assassin on March 09, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
Yes, I'd thought about creating a system backup image or even cloning the whole HDD to a spare after a fresh reinstall as options because I've been meaning to do one or the other anyway. However if the old WinXP updates are still going to be available via Windows Update as Hammey said then that is good news.

I'll definitely be looking into AdrianH's suggestion too.

Thanks all for the info, very helpful.   
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Alievitan on March 09, 2014, 07:36:44 PM
MS also said they will issue Malicious Removal Tool patches through July 2015, which are patches that remove specific malwares.  I think the thought process is that even if they no longer issue new OS patches, it is in everyone interest to prevent known mass infections aka botnets. 
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 10, 2014, 01:03:28 PM
Quote from: Kesetyan
Whilst it is true that the risks with XP are increased when Microsoft support finishes there is no need to panic if you take reasonable care.  Remember that a certain amount of hype over the matter is in the interest of those who want you to purchase their products so there may be a little over egging of the pudding.
"reasonable care" alone can't do anything against security holes. However, you're right in the last statement of this part: especially AV companies and supporters of them tend to posh things up, trying to ensure you, that their "internet security" and other "security software" will protect you from any malware.

Fresh install > add Deep Freeze and Data Igloo > end of problem . Nice new system every time you boot up, no malware, no defragging, no maintenance ............ just enjoy using your system.
On which basis can you ensure that the machine isn't already infected when you set it up or when you would use it with network access after end of support? Just because your Antivirus and any other security software you're using for system check doesn't find anything and you don't see irregularities in network traffic or CPU/GPU load or any other weird behavior, it doesn't mean that you are "virus free".
Heck, even an outdated network printer firmware (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-57333013-17/could-your-printer-be-a-trojan-horse-researchers-say-yes/) could be used for exploits even for taping your VOIP-phone (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fmeldung%2FVia-Drucker-ins-Netz-PDF-Trojaner-verwandelt-IP-Telefone-in-Wanzen-2136578.html) (if you want to watch the video without logging in, you can do it here (http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Via-Drucker-ins-Netz-PDF-Trojaner-verwandelt-IP-Telefone-in-Wanzen-2136578.html), the video itself on the bottom of the page is in English).
Also, Windows does the defragging and other maintenance tasks automatically.

Quote from: Alievitan
I think the thought process is that even if they no longer issue new OS patches, it is in everyone interest to prevent known mass infections aka botnets.
Right, but it should be regarded as the final grace period to migrate to another OS. If someone has something like a 10 year old computer on which even Windows 7 doesn't run, with about 350-400 dollars or 250-300 euros, he or she could either get a much faster office computer with SSD included or a good tablet which would still be faster with way better energy efficiency than the "museum" hardware he or she is currently using.
There have been many warnings already that the support for Windows XP will end eventually, so if those years haven't been enough to gain at least around 410-460 dollars or 290-340 euros for a newer computer with Windows 7/8.1 OS or less for a tablet, you could at least afford a 4gb usb flash media or a blank CD/DVD to get a still supported (live-)Linux for internet access.

Quote from: Cluster-Lizard
If these previous updates are going to disappear then what are the options?
For the sake of minimizing the risk of being part of a botnet and thus an inconvenience for most users: please either plug it off from the network or switch at least to Linux as a secondary (live) operating system if you need internet access. Even an exploited website or part of it loaded by other websites (for example pictures/ads) could target exploits and it's most likely that the number will increase the longer a system will stay unpatched.

Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: AdrianH on March 10, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
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On which basis can you ensure that the machine isn't already infected when you set it up or when you would use it with network access after end of support? Just because your Antivirus and any other security software you're using for system check doesn't find anything and you don't see irregularities in network traffic or CPU/GPU load or any other weird behavior, it doesn't mean that you are "virus free".
Heck, even an outdated network printer firmware could be used for exploits.
Also, Windows does the defragging and other maintenance tasks automatically.


Simple......... FRESH INSTALL of XP > Install Deep Freeze > Install other apps  ........... or are you now insinuating that all Windows XP discs are infected as supplied from the fatory?

( On this basis, no machine should ever be turned on after delivery, no matter what the OS. )

Then using Deep Freeze the system is always returned to a perfect state at each reboot, no matter what you meet, or what anyone tries to do.

Defragging is NEVER automated on my systems ,  I choose what runs, and when.

Reading all this, and your other posts here it would appear that the only course of action for every PC user in the world, is to give up and stop using any IT product ever again.

Being careful is only right and proper , paranoia is a problem.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Undead-Divine-Assassin on March 10, 2014, 02:01:22 PM
Randissimo

If you haven't got any AV or anti-malware on your PC then you're vulnerable whatever OS you're using. If you really think that when MS drop support for WinXP that overnight it suddenly becomes super vulernable to the threats out there that is just ludicrous scare mongering.

I know people who up until a couple of years ago were running a business still using Win98 PCs for some purposes without any more securirty issues than anyone else.

Buying a new machine and paying for yet another MS OS licence no matter how 'small'  the cost (a highly debatable 'solution' ) is what this is actually all about, not security. Over thirty percent of computers world wide are still using WinXP. Very obviously MS don't like that so even though we have paid our money we all have to dance to their tune and 'upgrade' whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 10, 2014, 02:42:32 PM
Simple......... FRESH INSTALL of XP > Install Deep Freeze > Install other apps  ........... or are you now insinuating that all Windows XP discs are infected as supplied from the fatory?
No, but it could be infected the moment you turn internet access on to visit websites. Even if you get a "clean state" image which you can revert back anytime, it doesn't mean that you can't get infected the moment you're visiting a website.

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Then using Deep Freeze the system is always returned to a perfect state at each reboot, no matter what you meet, or what anyone tries to do.
"a perfect state" - until you get exploited and have to reboot again. The main problem is, most serious malware nowadays don't make signs like shutting down your computer or make some popups saying that you either need protection or to speed up your computer or fix registry/dll/etc. errors. You could be (temporarily) in a botnet and you would have no way of knowing, because your AV solutions will tell you that "everything's ok" and/or you will revert to a "clean state".

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Reading all this, and your other posts here it would appear that the only course of action for every PC user in the world, is to give up and stop using any IT product ever again.
No, the only course of action is to update software/firmware/OS in case there is a security risk.

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Being careful is only right and proper , paranoia is a problem.
Refusing to update a security hole is another problem.

Quote from: Cluster-Lizard
If you haven't got any AV or anti-malware on your PC then you're vulnerable whatever OS you're using. If you really think that when MS drop support for WinXP that overnight it suddenly becomes super vulernable to the threats out there that is just ludicrous scare mongering.
I didn't wrote anything about not using AV, it's just reckless imho to keep on using XP with network access after end of support.
Also, it doesn't have to be overnight, but over time the chances are high likely that even script kiddies could exploit them based on some manuals available on the internet.

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Buying a new machine and paying for yet another MS OS licence no matter how 'small'  the cost (a highly debatable 'solution' ) is what this is actually all about, not security. Over thirty percent of computers world wide are still using WinXP. Very obviously MS don't like that so even though we have paid our money we all have to dance to their tune and 'upgrade' whether we like it or not.
You should be glad that Microsoft even extended support or can you tell me about another (commercial) operating system which has that long support cycles? Also, there's a limit to how much patching can minimize the risk of exploits and there is a chance that some of the fixes might break your machine. From time to time, you need to upgrade to a more modern system, which has more and better self-protection measures.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: AdrianH on March 10, 2014, 03:58:22 PM
Randissimo,

You are talking yourself down a very deep hole, will you ever reach the bottom?

You have already stated that no machine is truly safe, no antivirus or antimalware app is perfect, and any machine can be compromised.

Ergo any machine whether XP or Win8.1 could be part of a botnet until the problem is noticed/found/removed.

Look at the Worm/Virus section of this forum to see the well protected machines that fall down.

So again your reasoning and argument against using XP falls on its face.

Using Deep Freeze , the entire system is reverted to a clean state on each and every reboot, the Windows system cannot be infected and any problem is removed.

Better still is to use measures to reduce the risks of landing at bad sites. My systems have been clean and safe since 2006 .....  ;)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 10, 2014, 04:26:21 PM
AdrianH,

It's all about minimizing risks.

If someone has the option to upgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1 or to go without network access or to use a Linux distribution for internet access, it's still better than promoting software for protecting a long overdue operating system.

You wouldn't recommend using Avast4, would you?

Even if a Windows 7 or 8.1 could be part of a botnet, there is a much smaller chance for that, because the security is much higher and the holes are still being fixed.

With ads and cross-site-scriptings like a simple image from a comprimised hoster, every single website could be a "bad site".

But well, I don't expect to reasonable argue with someone who claims to be "virus free". ;)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 10, 2014, 04:42:20 PM
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But well, I don't expect to reasonable argue with someone who claims to be "virus free".
By your premise, every computer is infected including yours. Which is total nonsense.
At our senior center, I have 2 computers that have Windows 8.1 installed and then had Deep Freeze installed.
They reboot each day to a clean state without the aid of any protection aside from Deep Freeze despite being online
and without restrictions as to which websites are visited.



Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 10, 2014, 04:59:44 PM
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But well, I don't expect to reasonable argue with someone who claims to be "virus free".
By your premise, every computer is infected including yours. Which is total nonsense.
I didn't write that. The only thing that is "nonsense" here is to claim to be "virus free" which is both an arrogant and ignorant statement.

Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 10, 2014, 05:06:33 PM
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But well, I don't expect to reasonable argue with someone who claims to be "virus free".
By your premise, every computer is infected including yours. Which is total nonsense.
I didn't write that. The only thing that is "nonsense" here is to claim to be "virus free" which is both an arrogant and ignorant statement.
No sense arguing with someone who has their mind made up. Enjoy your assumption. :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 10, 2014, 05:09:05 PM
I don't assume anything. I'm just not that arrogant and/or ignorant to think that some programs can keep me 100 percent "virus free".
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: schmidthouse on March 10, 2014, 05:39:34 PM
I was hoping for some new and useable information in this "discussion".
With all the personal attacks I Can see that's not gonna happen. ;D
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 10, 2014, 05:49:29 PM
I was hoping for some new and useable information in this "discussion".
With all the personal attacks I Can see that's not gonna happen. ;D
The information was already posted:
Create an image backup right after the last update of XP from MS. and keep it in a safe place.
Make sure that all your programs and your AV are kept as up to date as possible and keep your fingers crossed.
If your system does start acting strangely, restore the image you created. :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: schmidthouse on March 10, 2014, 06:01:39 PM
I was hoping for some new and useable information in this "discussion".
With all the personal attacks I Can see that's not gonna happen. ;D
The information was already posted:
Create an image backup right after the last update of XP from MS. and keep it in a safe place.
Make sure that all your programs and your AV are kept as up to date as possible and keep your fingers crossed.
If your system does start acting strangely, restore the image you created. :)

Yes, I've  been following.
As I my W8.1 is my production OS, I still do use xpSP3 for some office work with compatible equipment.
Any discussion regarding XP attracts my attention.
Thanks Bob. ;)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 10, 2014, 06:06:15 PM
I was hoping for some new and useable information in this "discussion".
With all the personal attacks I Can see that's not gonna happen. ;D
The information was already posted:
Create an image backup right after the last update of XP from MS. and keep it in a safe place.
Make sure that all your programs and your AV are kept as up to date as possible and keep your fingers crossed.
If your system does start acting strangely, restore the image you created. :)

Yes, I've  been following.
As I my W8.1 is my production OS, I still do use xpSP3 for some office work with compatible equipment.
Any discussion regarding XP attracts my attention.
Thanks Bob. ;)
The compatibility mode in Windows 8.1 happens to be excellent and you can probably run your old programs on 8.1 as good as
you currently do on XP.
Why not try one of those old programs on 8.1 ???

Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: schmidthouse on March 10, 2014, 06:20:40 PM
Yes, that is very true Bob.
I have been taking note, but as you probably are aware, W8.1 is my OS of choice and as I have become more and more acquainted with this new OS I personally wouldn't go back to XP for so many reasons; and one can only spend so much time playing around, one does have to get work done...Securely.
Having said that, I don't have any immediate plans to ditch my XP laptop and as a result follow any discussion that offers reasonable and useful information. :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Charyb on March 10, 2014, 06:31:23 PM
I don't see any reason to trust using Windows XP once it is no longer supported. With an operating system and 3rd party apps that are no longer being updated, I would never sign on to any site that requires a password or have any trust in using the computer.

I have been thinking of what I would do and have decided the XP notebook is going in the round file and the battery is going to recycle.


Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Hammey on March 10, 2014, 06:55:48 PM
Hi well I think you are all being ridiculous. XP of course no one would use the last MS supported browser on XP ie 8 so if you are going to worry about XP and have been using ie 8 you have been compromised for a long time. As long as you use a updated browser of your choice and a good av program it will not get any more infected than any other os. I used XP for years with no windows updates ever being installed and had no problems. What does get you infected is your browsing habits  looking for cracked software downloading files from a file share program porn sites. As far as I am concerned XP will be just fine and I can guarantee you huge businesses will not race to change from XP just because MS has stopped support. As for creating a image why all the updates will be on Windows update for a long time. So going to the wrong site that is infected will infect win 7 or 8 just as fast as it will XP
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 10, 2014, 07:52:20 PM
I don't see any reason to trust using Windows XP once it is no longer supported. With an operating system and 3rd party apps that are no longer being updated, I would never sign on to any site that requires a password or have any trust in using the computer.

I have been thinking of what I would do and have decided the XP notebook is going in the round file and the battery is going to recycle.
I'd be happy to take that laptop off your hands, Simply wipe the hard drive and send it to me. One of my seniors would be glad to receive it.
I'll install windows 8.1 on that laptop. :P 
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 10, 2014, 07:55:45 PM
@Hammey,
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As for creating a image why
I guess you've never had your Hard drive crash ???
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Kesetyan on March 10, 2014, 08:11:29 PM
As for creating a image why all the updates will be on Windows update for a long time.
Hammey,
There are several reasons why it makes sense to have an image backup of your system whatever operating system you use but with the loss of Microsoft support for XP, there is one more reason why the XP user should consider it. 

An XP system image created immediately after the final Windows update, should the need arise, will provide a more convenient method of restoration than reinstalling XP and then searching for all the relevant Windows updates, downloading them, installing them and reinstalling drivers etc.  Admittedly, the latter will give you a cleaner, smoother system and may be preferable for those who have the time but the option of having both strategies available must be worthwhile.

Brief mention has been made of Linux on this thread and disabling the network connection within XP.  That is probably the safest option for XP users who can still use their XP software and peripherals but use Linux for all internet activity.  Not quite as safe is to still keep XP internet connections but only to use XP for non-sensitive internet activity while using Linux for banking and other activities where the utmost security is required.  Linux distributions, as previously mentioned, can be run as live discs or they could be set up as a dual boot system with XP.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 10, 2014, 09:21:39 PM
A drastic change to linux just to use the internet is probably not needed provided,
you stop using Internet Explorer 8 - it's not safe regardless of the windows version you're using.
Pick another browser as your default browser - Chrome, Firefox, Opera, etc and keep which ever
browser you choose up to date.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 10, 2014, 09:28:46 PM
I have been thinking of what I would do and have decided the XP notebook is going in the round file and the battery is going to recycle.
Try Linux, it will run more smoothly on low-end hardware than Windows XP. Or sell it and buy a tablet/small office computer.

Quote from: Hammey
What does get you infected is your browsing habits  looking for cracked software downloading files from a file share program porn sites.
That's so like 90' or 00'. Nowadays, even a cute kitty-picture in a blog or a compromised ad could get you infected and you wouldn't even be aware of it, because unlike those old fashioned viruses, today's malware won't just try to destroy your computer, but rather spy on your computer or misuse it in DDoS or spam attacks against others. 

Quote from: Kesetyan
Brief mention has been made of Linux on this thread and disabling the network connection within XP.  That is probably the safest option for XP users who can still use their XP software and peripherals but use Linux for all internet activity.
It's not only the safest, but the best option XP users could do to prevent having massive botnets. An unsupported, widespread system is the best possible target you could wish for.
For the sake of others, I wouldn't recommend on using XP with internet access.

Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: david2014 on March 10, 2014, 09:44:02 PM
Now they are talking about avast on windows xp I decided to search a little about the network problem that seems to be generated.

and so says:

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an update of avast creates problems with windows xp operating system.
It happens that when scanning the computer, the antivirus detects the malware as a system file TCPIP.SYS charge of running the network .

By doing this, the pc is isolated from a network, you will see that there is no movement or data sent or received . When you ping the modem , it gives this error: " " Unable to find the IP driver , error code 2 "

The solution is to remove the antivirus , then download this file (obviously from a location q if have connection)

download :

http://infomundo.org/software/solucion-avast-con-windows-xp/ (http://infomundo.org/software/solucion-avast-con-windows-xp/)

It is a small executable q restores the system configuration in this regard. When doing pc reconnects to the network.

see you.

I hope it will be helpful!

Greetings! : D
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 10, 2014, 09:50:45 PM
El forum Espanol es aqui: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=25.0 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=25.0)
Por favor, utiliza Linux por el internet o utiliza Windows 7/8.1 a la final de supporte de Windows XP.


best solution would be to stop using XP with online access. You could still use all your programs and (offline) games with XP, while surfing with a live linux system or switch to Windows 7 or 8.1 to get better support.


Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 10, 2014, 10:05:10 PM
El forum Espanol es aqui: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=25.0 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=25.0)
Por favor, utiliza Linux por el internet o utiliza Windows 7/8.1 a la final de supporte de Windows XP.


best solution would be to stop using XP with online access. You could still use all your programs and (offline) games with XP, while surfing with a live linux system or switch to Windows 7 or 8.1 to get better support.
You've already mentioned that more than once. :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Hammey on March 10, 2014, 11:11:45 PM
Hi @bob3160 yes of course in the last 25 years of being in the business I have had hard drives fail but only one or 2 times as I change out my drives when they get older both where Seagate drives. I of course keep a backup of all my stuff that I want but I have 4 pc's at home here with many drives so it is very easy just to copy your data to a few of those drive's. And no there is nothing like a fresh install with all  new drivers that have not been over written 5 times with updates. It takes like what 5 min to install windows 7 from a flash drive. Believe it or not there are some people still using windows 2000 and windows 98. It seems like you are all taking this end of support thing like Windows XP will die that will not happen. Anyway I will now step out of this what has turned into a argument post.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 10, 2014, 11:32:28 PM
Windows XP died for me a long time ago.
These replies are directed at those who refuse or are financially unable to leave XP. :)
I don't know of any arguments in this thread unless you think that different opinions constitute an argument.
It would be a sad world if everyone was of the same opinion. :)

Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 11, 2014, 12:59:53 AM
You've already mentioned that more than once. :)
That's because at that time of the posting, the user above me was still using Spanish and I didn't want to leave only Spanish text there. :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: HawaiianHope on March 11, 2014, 11:04:31 AM
Fresh install > add Deep Freeze and Data Igloo > end of problem . Nice new system every time you boot up, no malware, no defragging, no maintenance ............ just enjoy using your system.
Agreeed.. or Windows Steady State, free, works on XP and is from Microsoft.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Undead-Divine-Assassin on March 11, 2014, 02:02:17 PM
Windows XP died for me a long time ago.
These replies are directed at those who refuse or are financially unable to leave XP. :)
I don't know of any arguments in this thread unless you think that different opinions constitute an argument.
It would be a sad world if everyone was of the same opinion. :)

Not the main reason but one of the reasons I want to keep a true WinXP OS on my machine is not for online activities. The OS is mostly irrelevant as long as your browser of choice is still working well with the older Windows OSs but my interest is still being able to use 'legacy' software, particularly specific games.

Some of these are difficult enough to get running even using WinXP with its earlier Windows versions compatiblity mode, often requiring specialist patches created by enthusiasts long after the developers stopped support. So having WinXP still available is surely the best way of keeping retro gaming as simple as possible because either you're using the OS the games where designed for or the necessary WinXP compatible patches and fixes have long been available.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 11, 2014, 04:30:42 PM
Windows XP died for me a long time ago.
These replies are directed at those who refuse or are financially unable to leave XP. :)
I don't know of any arguments in this thread unless you think that different opinions constitute an argument.
It would be a sad world if everyone was of the same opinion. :)

Not the main reason but one of the reasons I want to keep a true WinXP OS on my machine is not for online activities. The OS is mostly irrelevant as long as your browser of choice is still working well with the older Windows OSs but my interest is still being able to use 'legacy' software, particularly specific games.

Some of these are difficult enough to get running even using WinXP with its earlier Windows versions compatiblity mode, often requiring specialist patches created by enthusiasts long after the developers stopped support. So having WinXP still available is surely the best way of keeping retro gaming as simple as possible because either you're using the OS the games where designed for or the necessary WinXP compatible patches and fixes have long been available.
For your information, some of the old 16 bit games actually work on Windows 8.1
They never worked on Vista or Windows 7.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 12, 2014, 12:20:31 PM
I wonder if you could get charged for purposely acting grossly negligent by using Windows XP after the end of support with internet access and thus having a high chance of becoming a victim to a botnet which would be used against others even if the state is only temporarily due to kiosk software or image backups.

Would banks or insurances still pay and/or refund you for the damage you caused or has been caused to you if you have that much layers of additional protection on an outdated operating system or would they rather pay if you only have the basic protection (Windows Firewall + up-to date router, Windows updates, browser, flash player, adobe reader and java if you're using them) on a still supported OS?
I tend to think it would be the latter case. That's why I would advice everyone to stop listening to "security experts" who claim to be able to make XP unexploitable even after the end of support. While I can't see the future, I wouldn't risk it.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Undead-Divine-Assassin on March 12, 2014, 01:50:38 PM
Windows XP died for me a long time ago.
These replies are directed at those who refuse or are financially unable to leave XP. :)
I don't know of any arguments in this thread unless you think that different opinions constitute an argument.
It would be a sad world if everyone was of the same opinion. :)

Not the main reason but one of the reasons I want to keep a true WinXP OS on my machine is not for online activities. The OS is mostly irrelevant as long as your browser of choice is still working well with the older Windows OSs but my interest is still being able to use 'legacy' software, particularly specific games.

Some of these are difficult enough to get running even using WinXP with its earlier Windows versions compatiblity mode, often requiring specialist patches created by enthusiasts long after the developers stopped support. So having WinXP still available is surely the best way of keeping retro gaming as simple as possible because either you're using the OS the games where designed for or the necessary WinXP compatible patches and fixes have long been available.
For your information, some of the old 16 bit games actually work on Windows 8.1
They never worked on Vista or Windows 7.

You can get some games and, of course, emulators working on any Windows OS but I was talking about specific games. Anyone into PC gaming knows that even when designed for a particular OS system many PC games are often released with significant problems. There can be a lot of trouble involved getting stuff to work and it often relies on patches and fixes, as I said, created by enthusiasts which may not, for instance, work on 64 bit OSs. That is why maintaining WinXP 32 bit OS, if not as your main OS, but in a dual boot or virtual environment is a very sensible idea if these sorts of concerns are relevant to your interests.   
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Charyb on March 12, 2014, 09:10:42 PM
Avast Blog regarding end of support.

http://blog.avast.com/2014/03/12/avast-will-continue-to-support-windows-xp-for-home-and-business-users/

"AVAST will continue to support Windows XP users by creating protection modules and detections to cover vulnerabilities and other security problems for at least the next three years."

"IE users: Switch to a new, secure browser"
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: -midnight on March 12, 2014, 09:21:43 PM
Do you or someone you know still use ‪#‎WindowsXP‬? Microsoft will cease support on April 8, but never fear, AVAST will continue to protect you against security threats for at least 3 years.

To increase your protection, we suggest using Google Chrome as your browser. Chrome will also continue to support XP users.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 12, 2014, 10:04:48 PM
If we're going to quote, let's quote some other parts too:
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It was released in August 2001, and in less than one month, on April 8, 2014, Microsoft will cease to provide support and security updates. The security updates patch vulnerabilities that could be exploited by malware and help to keep users and their data safe. Because of the continued use of XP in homes, businesses, schools, hospitals, and ATMs around the world, this has the potential to create massive security issues.

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The end of Microsoft support means you will no longer get security updates or new support information updates for Windows – for free.  Very large customers will have an option to subscribe to a program called “Custom Support,” an after-retirement support contract, but this is not available for SMBs or individual home users.

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“I think the users do not sufficiently understand the cessation of support for XP,” said Mladen Dumitraskovic from StudioNexT in Serbia. “They need to consider the possible consequences and seek appropriate solutions.[...]"

Of course, it's in the interest of most people to prevent massive bot infections, however I don't like the encouragement for using an unsupported operating system. I doubt that Avast would be willing to pay even a paying XP customer in case he or she would get infected even if that state would be only temporarily due to kiosk software or image backups reverting to a fresh state every morning and the infections would either lead to legal actions against the user or to financial damage due to online banking or to data stealing.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: cooby on March 12, 2014, 10:13:27 PM
Avast Blog regarding end of support.

http://blog.avast.com/2014/03/12/avast-will-continue-to-support-windows-xp-for-home-and-business-users/

"AVAST will continue to support Windows XP users by creating protection modules and detections to cover vulnerabilities and other security problems for at least the next three years."

"IE users: Switch to a new, secure browser"
Great news, thank you and thanks to Avast.
I do wonder though how they could patch the OS or build some mitigations.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: cooby on March 12, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
... however I don't like the encouragement for using an unsupported operating system. I doubt that Avast would be willing to pay even a paying XP customer in case he or she would get infected...
All software we use is "at risk". EULA even says so, as in 'not warrented for any use' :)
I don't think Avast is encouraging us to stay on XP, just being realistic instead.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 12, 2014, 10:24:53 PM
All software we use is "at risk". EULA even says so, as in 'not warrented for any use' :)
I don't think Avast is encouraging us to stay on XP, just being realistic instead.
Problems created due to the software (bluescreens of death, freezings, etc.) are not equal to problems not prevented by the software, but promised to prevent.
However, the most quoted part from the blog so far, might imply that Avast would be able to cover for all vulnerabilities:

"AVAST will continue to support Windows XP users by creating protection modules and detections to cover vulnerabilities and other security problems for at least the next three years."

Some people here actually believe that by installing Avast and using Chrome (or any other still supported browser), they would fix every security issue in Windows XP after the end of support. That's the frightening part.
Another is that there are so many people here who would rather recommend some "security software" than to plea for prudence to at least switch to a live Linux system for online access and playing all those retro-games offline.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: cooby on March 12, 2014, 11:00:40 PM
Some people here actually believe that by installing Avast and using Chrome (or any other still supported browser), they would fix every security issue in Windows XP after the end of support.
But that's impossible :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Charyb on March 12, 2014, 11:17:02 PM
But that's impossible :)
I agree.

Some people here actually believe that by installing Avast and using Chrome (or any other still supported browser), they would fix every security issue in Windows XP after the end of support.
Kindly show where this is the case.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 12, 2014, 11:25:27 PM
Since using XP also means that you can only run IE 8, the suggestion is to runa browser that's more secure and
still being updated. Chrome is one suggestion but, any other browser that still supports XP and is still a browser that's continuously
being updated would certainly be safer than using IE 8.

Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Undead-Divine-Assassin on March 13, 2014, 12:33:39 AM
Does anyone except those who know no better choose to use EI except when they're forced too?

Having said that I'd use it in preference to Chrome unless I was paid huge sums of money and had written, witnessed confirmation from Google that I hadn't signed away my life and soul in the process. :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 13, 2014, 11:51:02 AM
Does anyone except those who know no better choose to use EI except when they're forced too?

Having said that I'd use it in preference to Chrome unless I was paid huge sums of money and had written, witnessed confirmation from Google that I hadn't signed away my life and soul in the process. :)
And you actually think that you give away any less when you use IE ??? Boy are you in for a shock.  :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Undead-Divine-Assassin on March 13, 2014, 01:10:56 PM
All I meant was that it was, arguably,  the lesser of two evils. :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: ken_turbine on March 16, 2014, 10:22:09 AM
I am fortunate enough as to have relative who is extremely computer-savvy. Also I am completely happy with my XP programs for use 'internally'.
So I bought a (legit) copy of Win 7; and for a supply of beer while working, he split the drive into two partitions and reduced the XP partiton to half the size, installed Win7 on the other and diasbled the XP modem. Apparently this removed it from outside contact to the world and leaves me using a system (Win7) which is close enough to XP as to be an easy move for all outside contact.
It may not be the purist's solution; but, in my opinion Linux is too fiddly for a personal machine, and it avoids having to have anything to do with the appalling mess that is Win 8/8.1. If the current project Win9 creates a sensible environment, then if my machine could handle it that may be a next step.

Ken
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 16, 2014, 10:27:24 AM
I am fortunate enough as to have relative who is extremely computer-savvy. Also I am completely happy with my XP programs for use 'internally'.
So I bought a (legit) copy of Win 7; and for a supply of beer while working, he split the drive into two partitions and reduced the XP partiton to half the size, installed Win7 on the other and diasbled the XP modem. Apparently this removed it from outside contact to the world and leaves me using a system (Win7) which is close enough to XP as to be an easy move for all outside contact.
It may not be the purist's solution; but, in my opinion Linux is too fiddly for a personal machine, and it avoids having to have anything to do with the appalling mess that is Win 8/8.1. If the current project Win9 creates a sensible environment, then if my machine could handle it that may be a next step.

Ken
I guess you haven't followed: [size=78%]http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=85094.0 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=85094.0)[/size] to realize that with very little
adjustment, the latest version of Windows can be just the same as Windows 7 but, quite a bit improved in many fronts. :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: ken_turbine on March 16, 2014, 10:34:48 AM
Thanks Bob, but I really just want to use my operating system, not poke it until it works.
It appears that MS techies forgot that not everyone is a smartphone/touch screen user, until the howls went up; and as 'bodging' is rarely a good thing in any field of Design, I prefer to wait until a re-think is carried out.

Ken
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 16, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
Thanks Bob, but I really just want to use my operating system, not poke it until it works.
It appears that MS techies forgot that not everyone is a smartphone/touch screen user, until the howls went up; and as 'bodging' is rarely a good thing in any field of Design, I prefer to wait until a re-think is carried out.

Ken
Installing one small program (ClassicShell (http://www.classicshell.net/)) doesn't suggest poking till it works to me. It's your computer and your choice. :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: hake on March 16, 2014, 11:53:48 AM
There are very effective ways of hardening XP security which I have been devising and honing since about 2008.  Some involve user behaviour, some involve software and the rest involve configuration.  For the ordinary consumer user, the trouble with that is that a tiny modicum of expertise, mostly owing to experience and observation, is required to achieve that state of grace.  I'm not particularly bright so I will say that evolving a robust XP is not rocket science.   Later Windows are horrid by comparison with XP and won't run the applications that I enjoy using or need to use.  I'm too set in my ways I guess but after having used XP for 13 years and not havng yet suffered from any effects of malware or similar attack, I must be doing something right.   

Roll on the end of May 2014, and beyond, and I will see if my hopes are shot down in flames.

Microsoft is being too hard-headed for it's own good.  Wait until network connected clinical support systems running critical custom specialised software start misbehaving and costing lives.  Don't let the interests of sick people get in the way of a profit, Microsoft.

:-X
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: bob3160 on March 16, 2014, 12:08:32 PM
We all sooner or later need to realize that everything has an "end of life".
(As some one getting up in age, I'm well aware of that fact)
Windows XP is actually way past that end of life and l is being kept alive via life support.
Technology moves in leaps and bounds and, some of the ancient technology built into XP,
simply can't be supported any more.
It make a great game machine as does my Commodore 64. :)
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Asyn on March 16, 2014, 12:11:41 PM
Guys, just FYI...

AVAST will continue to support Windows XP for home and business users
http://blog.avast.com/2014/03/12/avast-will-continue-to-support-windows-xp-for-home-and-business-users/
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Hammey on March 16, 2014, 03:41:04 PM
Hi I don't care what os you are using it can be infected. For example the USA homeland security phone number has been hacked and it is being used now by the people that Phone your house and tell you your pc is infected they want to connect to fix it and charge your credit card do not be surprised many people have fallen for this scam. There response is they don't know how it was done and have not been able to fix it how secure do you feel now. The thing that will keep you safe is in most cases is common sense.
Title: Re: End of support of Windows XP
Post by: Randissimo on March 17, 2014, 02:15:18 PM
AVAST will continue to support Windows XP for home and business users
http://blog.avast.com/2014/03/12/avast-will-continue-to-support-windows-xp-for-home-and-business-users/

You're way too late: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=147362.msg1071146#msg1071146

But that's impossible :)
I agree.
Me too, but you can't say anything about what other people believe or are made to believe.

Later Windows are horrid by comparison with XP and won't run the applications that I enjoy using or need to use.
Have you tried to run/install the applications in compatibility mode? Have you installed all VisualC++ runtime packages, DirectX9 and other stuff?

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I'm too set in my ways I guess but after having used XP for 13 years and not havng yet suffered from any effects of malware or similar attack, I must be doing something right.

You might be a part of a botnet and you wouldn't know it. You could be compromised by a cute kitty picture or an ad on your favorite's blog and you wouldn't know it. Getting malware only from downloading stuff and opening  mail attachments is way too outdated information, having only malware which actively shows itself as such and tries to destroy/sabotage your computer, too.
Again, we're living in 2014 and not in 2004 when Sasser came around.


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Wait until network connected clinical support systems running critical custom specialised software start misbehaving and costing lives.
Network connection is not equal to internet connection. Even if they would have run with Windows 8.1 or with Linux, it would be still way to risky to let them run with internet access. Those specialized machines rather run in a separated, secured network.
Aside from that, if they have Microsoft XP embedded, they would still get security updates for about 3 years.