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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: TAP on July 12, 2005, 12:05:45 PM
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It's so sad to see that it was relesed really quick. I think I really don't understand why some stupid people try to steal avast! Pro while they have the right to use the best free antivirus package avast! Home for free. Do they think that Pro can detect viruses better than home edition? Do they really take advantage from Pro edition or just simply feel good to know that they use Pro over inferior Home editon? ::)
It's really not fair, Alwil works so hard to develop avast! and even so kindly to give us the best free antivirus such as avast! Home for free, simply compared to AVG Free or AntiVir Classic and you'll know what's the differences and what I mean. So why some stupid people don't understand this. :-[
I think Alwil should change the way to handle avast! Pro license policy (e.g. NOD32's username/password) or develop some kind of feature that can check and block an illegal license key so frequently than do on the major program updates.
That's just my opinion, I'm very appreciated and thanks for avast! Home - best free antivirus. :)
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If I am not mistaken, Alwil already blocks illegal keys when people trying to update.
Anyway there is more information about this in another thread on this board.
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NOD32 also has problems with passwords. Serial is unique identifier even if it's not used as in NOD32 (username and password vs just serial in avast!).
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I think Alwil should change the way to handle avast! Pro license policy (e.g. NOD32's username/password) or develop some kind of feature that can check and block an illegal license key so frequently than do on the major program updates.
If I am not mistaken, Alwil already blocks illegal keys when people trying to update.
Anyway there is more information about this in another thread on this board.
That's how it works... Illegal license keys, as soon as they're detected, can't update on-line, only with the vpsupd.exe file.
I've tried to suggest other ways but they say me there is not a secure way to assure that illegal licenses were blocked in off-line computers.
Activation is not the solution (as can prove Microsoft and Symantec).
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If I'm not mistaken, an illegal license key will be blocked when the program updates (e.g. 4.6.665 > 4.6.691) released but as you know it takes for a quite long time, so during that time an illegal license key can be used to updating VPS via auto iAVS update as a legal key.
So it would be a lot better if an illegal license key will be blocked as soon as possible by doing something such as updating a small part of program to avast! for checking license key from time to time (e.g. every week).
When the small, fast, true incremental update is one of the best thing of avast! so if people illegally use avast! Pro but can't perform the auto incremental update via the internet so they may change their mind and do the right thing instead.
The true but sad story is that, I've introduced avast! Home to the people I know but I've found that most of them always change to avast! Pro and try to use illegal license key.
As I said before, those people don't really take advantage from avast! Pro, they don't even know how to use enhanced interface, don't know how to use PUSH update, they simply think that Pro can detect viruses better than home edition. ???
It's sad to see....
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If I'm not mistaken, an illegal license key will be blocked when the program updates (e.g. 4.6.665 > 4.6.691) released but as you know it takes for a quite long time, so during that time an illegal license key can be used to updating VPS via auto iAVS update as a legal key.
So it would be a lot better if an illegal license key will be blocked as soon as possible by doing something such as updating a small part of program to avast! for checking license key from time to time (e.g. every week).
I think this is how it works... on a VPS update and not on only at a program one...
Anyway, I've never tested a keygen ;D :P
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OK, now it's my time to talk about illegal avast keys. Guys, I've done small experiment with keygen as I am (maybe was, as rolled back to Home) on Pro trial. After not long search I've found keygen. First two keys were bad, but the last generated key - 4-years license key. I've updated my program now - the key wasn't blocked :-\ And it's not good. But know about good things. I like "Change" feature, as I've easily rolled back my program to Home Edition with just removing tick by the "professional Edition". But I have noticed two small "bugs" on rolling back to Home: at first, illegal 4year key still was there, even in Home Ed. And Last scan date is showing "not performed yet". That's it. I know, what all I've done was illegal, but by my faith, I'm using legal Home, even I had chance to use illegal pro. ;D
In my opinion as soon as illegal key is detected the program should be TERMINATED at all!
Just wondering, if avast scan settings now is on default, as I have made some changes with Ench UI.... :-\
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But I have noticed two small "bugs" on rolling back to Home: at first, illegal 4year key still was there, even in Home Ed.
Bad, bad...
And Last scan date is showing "not performed yet".
I think this is by default as you've 'changed' avast and the 'new one' has not fully scanned your system.
Just wondering, if avast scan settings now is on default, as I have made some changes with Ench UI.... :-\
Downgrading brings trouble from time to time. Better would be uninstalling and installing Home version again.
Can't you send the link for the illegal keygen to Alwil?
Won't Alwil answer this thread?
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I'll reinstall my avast! About keygen: if I'll find it again I'll send link, but I've cleared all my tracks so I don't know if I'll be able to find it again. ;D but I'll try. :) Where I have to send link? (If I'll find it..)
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Where I have to send link? (If I'll find it..)
Maybe Alwil should answer this...
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Damn! The best thing I can do is to send the whole keygen! >:( All virus blocking in each site is killing me. Besides, I think this keygen is really old as it's rated for v. 4.0.220 :-\ Sorry, guys I can't find this one...it seems to be hundreds on keys and keygens for avast all over the NET. :-\ Eh, going to install XP critical updates and reinstall my avast home. ;)
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OK, now it's my time to talk about illegal avast keys. Guys, I've done small experiment with keygen as I am (maybe was, as rolled back to Home) on Pro trial. After not long search I've found keygen. First two keys were bad, but the last generated key - 4-years license key. I've updated my program now - the key wasn't blocked :-\ And it's not good. But know about good things. I like "Change" feature, as I've easily rolled back my program to Home Edition with just removing tick by the "professional Edition". But I have noticed two small "bugs" on rolling back to Home: at first, illegal 4year key still was there, even in Home Ed. And Last scan date is showing "not performed yet". That's it. I know, what all I've done was illegal, but by my faith, I'm using legal Home, even I had chance to use illegal pro. ;D
In my opinion as soon as illegal key is detected the program should be TERMINATED at all!
Just wondering, if avast scan settings now is on default, as I have made some changes with Ench UI.... :-\
Seems you're using old keygen by TSRh... The newer keygens are made by ACME and won't have the problems you stated above... And keys created by keygens will only get blocked by program updates and not by iAVS updates...
Therefore I like to say I'm not an illegal user since I got a legal 3year license for avast! that doesn't mean I like to experiment...
As for protection for piracy, the method used by Panda and Kaspersky (Norman too) seems to work best for now... Maybe the Awill guys will change their registration method...
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The newer keygens are made by ACME and won't have the problems you stated above... And keys created by keygens will only get blocked by program updates and not by iAVS updates...
It's a pity... Can you inform Alwil the link for downloading this keygen?
As for protection for piracy, the method used by Panda and Kaspersky (Norman too) seems to work best for now... Maybe the Awill guys will change their registration method...
Which one?
Again, when the subject is piracy, no words from the team ::) :'(
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It's a pity... Can you inform Alwil the link for downloading this keygen?
If they give me a e-mail adress where to mail them ;)
Which one?
Well all three of them have good piracy protection.
Panda -> Using username/password
Norman -> Using just a serial but they're very fast blacklisting, keys and keygens never work longer then a couple hours after release
Kaspersky -> Using license files, wich gets validated every update
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It's a pity... Can you inform Alwil the link for downloading this keygen?
Many keygens may be found at ***Link Removed***.
I do NOT use a keygenerated licence key for the pro ed. I use the home ed.
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It's a pity... Can you inform Alwil the link for downloading this keygen?
Many keygens may be found at http://*****.
I do NOT use a keygenerated licence key for the pro ed. I use the home ed.
Better remove this link, we're no warez board... Thanks :)
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As I like avast!, all people here, so I'm not going to be a thief. Yes, I have opportunity to use avast! Pro with illegal key, as it worked for me, and yes - avast Pro lic is too expensive for me (I'm high school student at the moment) but it's the reason I'm using Home Edition. ALWIL guys are great, especially that they have made Home available for all. So people, there is no need to be a pigs! just use Home as I and many others do. ;) The experiment I made just shows, that the problem exists and will be existing because there are a kind of people which will never understand the things mentioned before... And it's sad... :-\
And I think it's time to end this discussion soon, as this topic would be endless. ;)
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Well all three of them have good piracy protection.
Panda -> Using username/password
Norman -> Using just a serial but they're very fast blacklisting, keys and keygens never work longer then a couple hours after release
Kaspersky -> Using license files, wich gets validated every update
About Norman I don't know, but for Panda & Kaspersky it's pretty easy to find a crack that works without problems. (That said, let me tell you I'm using avast! free on one PC & BitDefender8 on the other- got a legal free promo 1 year key for that)
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About Norman I don't know, but for Panda & Kaspersky it's pretty easy to find a crack that works without problems. (That said, let me tell you I'm using avast! free on one PC & BitDefender8 on the other- got a legal free promo 1 year key for that)
Well I don't think you can find valid illegal keys or crack for both Kaspersky or Panda wich will work longer then a day...
(anyway, does Softwin still give away free 1 year promo licenses? me interested :p)
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Well I don't think you can find valid illegal keys or crack for both Kaspersky or Panda wich will work longer then a day...
I must be insane to get a valid license of Panda... Can you imagine an illegal one? :o
No way, thanks... ;D
As we all see in this kind of thread, where are the Alwil guys? ??? ::)
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About Norman I don't know, but for Panda & Kaspersky it's pretty easy to find a crack that works without problems. (That said, let me tell you I'm using avast! free on one PC & BitDefender8 on the other- got a legal free promo 1 year key for that)
Well I don't think you can find valid illegal keys or crack for both Kaspersky or Panda wich will work longer then a day...
(anyway, does Softwin still give away free 1 year promo licenses? me interested :p)
StyleWarz, you better believe it 'cause I tried it and it worked. Kaspersky uses a registry key, Panda just a username & password. They both worked normally and updated.
BitDefender -1 year promo- is a greek "PC Magazine" offer. Been using it 2 days and let me say I'm not impressed. After an update my PC auto-rebooted without a warning & today I can't update at all!!! I think I'll be going back to avast on this PC too...
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Well this shouldn't be a surprise for anyone. Piracy has always been the dark side of software industry. And the more a program is popular, the more attention it gets from the undeground community.
So, after all, we can all be happy - it's one of the sign that avast is becoming increasingly popular... ;) ;D
BTW the first keygen for avast 4.6.691 has been released about 6 hours after we released the update (on Saturday) :)
Of course, we're monitoring the situation and have it under control (I reckon it's becoming nuisance for the users of the pirated copies to be forced to search for a new keygen after each update...).
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As we all see in this kind of thread, where are the Alwil guys? ??? ::)
Honestly, I don't know what kind of reaction do you expect ::)
License keys, keygens, or cracks will always be released - and whoever thinks otherwise is naive. That's a fact. You may try to make it harder, but the question is how much effort is worth it. Most protection measures bother legal users more than the unauthorized ones - besides, it takes time to implement (and there's always risk of bugs that will prevent even legal users from using the program). So, it's usually not worth to try to implement some "crackproof" protection.
We are "monitoring" the keygens and leaked keys for avast! to some extent, and try to blacklist them from time to time, but it doesn't have such a high priority as you may expect. After all, we are offering a free version of avast!, all our products can be installed as trials... it's better to allow more people to get familiar with avast! (without obstacles) than implement restrictions.
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Honestly, I don't know what kind of reaction do you expect ::)
Igor, I expected exactly what you and Vlk posted...
Show that you're reading the forum, trying to get a feasable solution, improving avast.
Sorry, sometimes we feel stolen when avast! is cracked... maybe just a sentimental thought that we participate with you in your work making avast!
Maybe we're stolen avast! from you ;D
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I will admit I use to be a warez whore back in the days...including pirating Avast.
Avast 4.0 and 4.1 use to be too easy to find a working keygen....the same keygen use to work for up to 5 different updates....sometimes even older ones worked better than the newer ones.
I went straight to the Avast Home side with the late-4.1/4.5/4.6 releases....so I dunno about the situation now. Looking at this thread, it looks like you got a good system in place. But yeah...the dark side will always find workarounds, unfortunately.
To be honest, the people who pirate Avast Pro probably don't even use the extra features :P The balance between Home and Pro features is very good with Avast.....I just love the author's work ^^