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Title: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 02:21:04 AM
 ??? Which firewall is more recommended?
Sygate Personal Firewall or
ZoneAlarm Firewall

Thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Eddy on July 29, 2005, 02:26:18 AM
A router with build in hardware firewall is the best.
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 02:41:13 AM
i dont quite get it ???
 ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: MFB on July 29, 2005, 03:02:27 AM
Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 02:41:13 AM
i dont quite get it ???
 ;D

Some routers have a built in Firewall.  Normally it's recommend you have both hardware (in your router) and software firewall (in your pc) to bring you multiple layer of protection.  :)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: techie101 on July 29, 2005, 03:10:53 AM
A simple answer to your question:

Sygate has more flexibility since you can set up your own rules but works well out of the box.

Zone Alarm is the easiest to use and requires little attention.

Both are stable with most OS platforms.

I use both.  Sygate works best on XP and ME while Zone Alarm seems to get along better on Windows 2000 and XP Professional.

Good luck.

 :)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: MFB on July 29, 2005, 03:15:24 AM
I'm using Zone Alarm and it's somewhat perfect for my PC; if you're a novice to firewalls configurations, use Zone Alarm.  Sygate is still a great firewall but configurations are a bit advance. 
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 03:33:00 AM
thanks all

yea I still have a lot to learn about computers
it's much harder to learn when I'm near people
because I have a paranoia problem it's pretty difficult for me
especially when I'm afraid to touch my own bookbag and think it's poisoned
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: polonus on July 29, 2005, 02:37:37 PM
Hello Yinyang4evry1,

They are more or less equal. It is what suits you best. With an additional program (free) you can log whatever ZA does. Eddy is right in this respect that software firewalls can be taken out by certain malware. Libpcap traffic goes right underneath the software firewall, it cannot be seen by the software firewalls. A hardware software solution is better in this respect.
Want to turn your comp into Fort Knox. Follow this recipee take an old small Win comp strip it and install a Open Source firewall there on Linux as a first line of defense, there is very good Swiss software for this. Yyou can twweak and tune this portal  to your likings, even with sunrouting installs, a clever hacker who could put a finger through there, when you are sitting behind this.


greets,

polonus
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 04:56:13 PM
I'm just testing which software is best for me now. Though I don't know how to get hands on a router. My family poor and I'm only 14.

There's something that bothers me.
On the Sygate Firewall, where the application rules are, I right-click and see options like: block, allow, terminate.
What does it mean by terminate?
I mean, does it only remove the program rule or does it "terminate" and destroy the program?

Thanks :)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Lisandro on July 29, 2005, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 04:56:13 PM
On the Sygate Firewall, where the application rules are, I right-click and see options like: block, allow, terminate.
What does it mean by terminate?
I mean, does it only remove the program rule or does it "terminate" and destroy the program?
Not destroy or delete the program but, maybe, close it  8)

Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 02:21:04 AM
??? Which firewall is more recommended?
Sygate Personal Firewall or ZoneAlarm Firewall
Sygate is more 'stable' and if you're not using a proxy annonimizer application you can use it with safe.
ZA is more 'strong' but also could bring troubles and conflicts. Frequent updates and software improvements.
If you're affraid, use Sygate. If you like a software with continuous improvements, ZA.
I've used both. ZA is better in my opinion.
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 29, 2005, 05:47:37 PM
If you use p2p  don't go with ZA  ;)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: YLAP on July 29, 2005, 05:49:05 PM
hey guys, you are forgetting KERIO!

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=14894.0
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 29, 2005, 06:19:22 PM
Quote from: =YLAP= on July 29, 2005, 05:49:05 PM
hey guys, you are forgetting KERIO!

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=14894.0
Hehe i use kerio also  ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 06:21:13 PM
lol ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Lisandro on July 29, 2005, 07:50:31 PM
Quote from: =YLAP= on July 29, 2005, 05:49:05 PM
hey guys, you are forgetting KERIO!
Well, we're forgeting lots of others... just answering the first question: Which firewall is more recommended? Sygate Personal Firewall or ZoneAlarm Firewall

Outpost is a very good one too. The free version is not as updated as the Pro one but works very well.
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: MFB on July 29, 2005, 08:12:34 PM
Quote from: =YLAP= on July 29, 2005, 05:49:05 PM
hey guys, you are forgetting KERIO!

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=14894.0

Kerio seems pretty enjoyable, I gotta try that firewall someday.   8)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: polonus on July 29, 2005, 09:07:59 PM
Hi folks,

Please tell the young master YinYang4evry1 that a firewall and AV program are not longer sufficient as a security line of defense, it has to be multilayered: good AV (=AVAST), online scanning, good firewall, good anti-malware (adware, scumware, anti-trojan etc),
an ID monitor and System monitor, checksum program and we start talking.

polonus
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 10:43:26 PM
that just brings up a memory of mine( i didn't say question because I ask too many of them ;D  ;D )
some free versions are crippled of the updates
I don't really mind about auto update but I just fear that the free versions have less signatures ( not on all products ) :'(
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: MFB on July 29, 2005, 10:46:12 PM
Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 10:43:26 PM
that just brings up a memory of mine( i didn't say question because I ask too many of them ;D  ;D )
some free versions are crippled of the updates
I don't really mind about auto update but I just fear that the free versions have less signatures ( not on all products ) :'(

Both paid and free versions should have an equal amount of virus signatures in their database no matter what antivirus or antispyware it is.   
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 11:29:04 PM
whew i feel better and more assured now
it just doesn't feel right IF I were to have a crippled version, excluding features. I worry about how many definitions a program has. Both of the following are trials:

I use trend micro anti-spyware and thought it had a lot 47,172
but when I downloaded trial webroot antispyware it had 99,168
but trend micro antispyware detects more on mine
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 29, 2005, 11:33:48 PM
Dude use more antispyware products(alot of them are free)  ;)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: MFB on July 29, 2005, 11:37:31 PM
If you want unlimited antispyware protection (non-free trials) try these:

Spybot Search & Destroy (http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html)

Ad-aware SE (http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html?part=69274&subj=dlpage&tag=button)

Spyware Blaster (http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html) (This program is protecting your browser from downloading malware, it does not have a manuel scan engine)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 29, 2005, 11:46:30 PM
I just want to add before installing spywareblaster make sure you have a clean pc cause if there is any spyware on it when you install it it's gonna stay there! ;)


good luck!

Mikey
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 11:48:19 PM
what do you mean by it's gonna stay there
I mean , I know that it won't remove and prevent them
But I can still remove it with another spyware remover right?

tim ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 11:50:14 PM
*when i said won't remove and prevent them
i meant won't remove

but prevent them
tim ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: MFB on July 29, 2005, 11:51:38 PM
Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 11:50:14 PM
*when i said won't remove and prevent them
i meant won't remove

but prevent them
tim ;D

Spyware Blaster will prevent any malware in it's database from downloading from your browser.  It's only use for IE and Firefox
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 11:55:19 PM
cool this is becoming a hot topic
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

tim
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 29, 2005, 11:55:33 PM
Just make sure to run every cleaner you have before installing spywareblaster cause it also prevents cleaning some of the badies if you have them already before installing.It's a great program though i use it myself also and am very pleased with it.Also run an online scanner like this one: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/


Have fun

Mikey
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 29, 2005, 11:57:37 PM
oh my gosh you serious?

where did you get this bit of information? :'(


tim ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: MFB on July 29, 2005, 11:58:12 PM
Uhh Google?   ;)  ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 12:00:07 AM
no I meant what Mikey said, is it true? the following:

Just make sure to run every cleaner you have before installing spywareblaster cause it also prevents cleaning some of the badies if you have them already before installing.It's a great program though i use it myself also and am very pleased with it.Also run an online scanner like this one: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/


Have fun

Mikey
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 12:00:47 AM
Quote from: FIXER on July 29, 2005, 11:58:12 PM
Uhh Google?   ;)  ;D
Absolutely right :)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: MFB on July 30, 2005, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 12:00:07 AM
no I meant what Mikey said, is it true? the following:

Just make sure to run every cleaner you have before installing spywareblaster cause it also prevents cleaning some of the badies if you have them already before installing.It's a great program though i use it myself also and am very pleased with it.Also run an online scanner like this one: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/


Have fun

Mikey

Well when you want to find information, Google is your best friend to seek advice. 
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 12:04:29 AM
Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 12:00:07 AM
no I meant what Mikey said, is it true? the following:

Just make sure to run every cleaner you have before installing spywareblaster cause it also prevents cleaning some of the badies if you have them already before installing.It's a great program though i use it myself also and am very pleased with it.Also run an online scanner like this one: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/


Have fun

Mikey
check here:http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13794.0
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 12:12:39 AM
Yinyang4evry1 please start using the search function in the forum(it's on top of this page) and for christ's sake USE GOOGLE(it's your best friend trust me)!

Bye

Mikey
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 12:47:17 AM
yea ok thanks ;D

cheers,

tim ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: polonus on July 30, 2005, 12:58:15 AM
Hi darth.mikey,

Is it true what you tell here of this Dark Vader side of SpywareBlaster, that it keeps the baddies on your comp.
Where is this information, where can we check this.
So this means when you want to clean a trojan or a backdoor, you have to take SpywareBlaster out before the cleaning process can be successful. Is this the implication of what you telling us.
Wow, and if this is a fact, why so little security people know this. This is the first time I have heard this info.

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 01:27:53 AM
Polonus well sorry if you don't get my post BTW it's Darth Vader not Dark Vader.It's true that if you already have spyware on your comp and then install spywareblaster you won't be able to remove the spyware(just uninstall spywareblaster remove the spyware and reinstall in this case) don't ask me why but that's how it is(i know from personal experiance).There is it clear enough now for you?Ok if you don't believe me then read here OK?  http://www.javacoolsoftware.info/kb/idx/7/075/article/

P.S:I  think my first post was clear enough though sorry for the misunderstanding ;)

Mikey
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: bob3160 on July 30, 2005, 04:46:44 AM
Quote from: darth.mikey on July 29, 2005, 05:47:37 PM
If you use p2p  don't go with ZA  ;)
I use MSN  AIM Yahoo ICQ and ZA  without any problems.
With ZA, you don't have to learn or make rules.
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 09:23:06 AM
Bob i was talking about P2P programs (Kazaa,Shareaza,eMule,Bittorrent....) ZA generates so many false intrusions(for me it was 500 at least a day  :-\ ) and slows down your p2p download(at least version 5 did i don't know about version 6).



Mikey
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 09:32:48 AM
Ok i will add some links for you guys to read about ZA and bittorrent:
http://azureus.aelitis.com/wiki/index.php/NetworkConnectionDying
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=21437
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/archive/index.php/t-18917
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: polonus on July 30, 2005, 01:41:28 PM
Hello Darth.Mikey,

Well I always call Darth Vader Darth Vader from now on (vader is the Dutch word for your English father). Thanks again for the info, not that my machine was not clean, but I could warn others.
We must share every bit of info we got, because we need this bad enough against the malcreants There is a lot of EPO backdoored stuff around added to normal downloads at the moment, the general software firewall does not alarm, as does other security software, all in the style of gen.AgroBot, gen.AimBot. Be on the look-out in what you download and from where. Have any tips in this field?

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 02:06:02 PM
Quote from: polonus on July 30, 2005, 01:41:28 PM
There is a lot of EPO backdoored stuff around added to normal downloads at the moment, the general software firewall does not alarm, as does other security software, all in the style of gen.AgroBot, gen.AimBot. Be on the look-out in what you download and from where. Have any tips in this field?

Sorry my friend but the only tip i can give you is to be really carefull what you download backup regulary and have as little sensitive stuff on your HDD as possible(i burn everything on dvd's)  ;) You can never be truly safe on the net if some crazy russian hacker(they are poor people with no money) decides to break into your comp trust me he will.And stay away from porn and warez sites and you will be just fine.
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 08:56:47 PM
I clicked your link, Darth Vader, and by the way I read it, doesn't it mean that spyware already on your computer will remain on your computer when you install it. So... I just got a feeling they mean that Spyware Blaster will only prevent the spyware but not remove it. But this piece of info you told us shocks me I uninstalled it and now I'm scanning.

Hey guys, I uninstalled avast! antivirus but it still annoys me that one of my screensavers name is avast! antivirus and I can't remove it for some reason I even used the uninstaller. So can anyone give me any tips on this one?

Cheers,

tim ::)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 09:08:17 PM
Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 08:56:47 PM
I just got a feeling they mean that Spyware Blaster will only prevent the spyware
You got it.
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 09:11:29 PM
can any1 help me with this avast! screensaver thingy it's annoying because I can't find a way to delete it. The screensaver keeps staying there. I followed the advice on the avast.com but the uninstaller couldn't remove it either
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 09:29:23 PM
Delete this file: c:\windows\sytem32\avastss.scr should work(it does for me) ;)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 09:35:01 PM
hey thanks
it works ;D
relief, I pratically fainted from all the rage at my brother talking bad about me

greets,

tim :)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 09:45:28 PM
ya know my favorite saying is that Darth Vader says,

"Luke, I am your Father" ;D

greets,

tim

I spend most of my life playing this,
http://www.runescape.com/
though I have to stay off it till February 2006
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 10:00:21 PM
Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 09:45:28 PM
ya know my favorite saying is that Darth Vader says,

"Luke, I am your Father" ;D

My favourite is : "Use the Force Luke use the Force"

BTW the thread was about Sygate and ZA so if you have a question about that ask but if not start a new thread.

Mikey
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 10:06:34 PM
so I should start a new thread, is thread a topic?, for a new subject?

cheers,

tim
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: darth.mikey on July 30, 2005, 10:10:49 PM
Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 10:06:34 PM
so I should start a new thread, is thread a topic?, for a new subject?

cheers,

tim
Yes you got it :)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: DavidR on July 30, 2005, 10:12:38 PM
Yes a thread is a New Topic, for a new or different subject not directly related to the topic being discussed.
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on July 30, 2005, 10:14:56 PM
yea ok

cheers,

tim ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on August 07, 2005, 02:27:04 AM
i don't know I love to keep this topic alive

lol,

tim

................
confused myself
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: MFB on August 07, 2005, 02:30:44 AM
Quote from: Yinyang4evry1 on August 07, 2005, 02:27:04 AM
i don't know I love to keep this topic alive

lol,

tim

................
confused myself

I suggest that you only keep the topic alive only if you have another questions or problems regarding about the same topic.   ;)
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on August 09, 2005, 01:24:40 AM
okay  ;D here I go  ;D
Which of these firewalls is recommended?
Outpost
Zonealarm
Kerio
Norton
Mcafee
AOL Privacy Wall
Microsoft Firewall
Sygate Firewall
Black Ice or whatever it is Firewall

laughing out loud,
okay I'll stop,

greetings from tim,

tim ;D
Title: Re: A Which is more recommended?
Post by: MFB on August 09, 2005, 02:00:47 AM
That topic has already been discuss.   ;)