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Title: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 01:05:39 AM
I have the latest free version 2014.9.0.2021.

On the software updater it shows that there is a Java Runtime Environment 8 update available, but it just seems to hang when I click to update it via the Avast free version program.

Avast shows that I am up-to-date with version 7, I tried uninstalling version 7 but it still didn't let me install version 8 (32 bit)

Do I really need version 8 and if so how do I go about this?
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: TerraX on August 25, 2014, 01:12:54 AM
Here we have quite a few topics about this theme. ;)

https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=153847.msg1118661#msg1118661
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=153849.msg1118667#msg1118667

TerraX
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 01:33:44 AM
Here we have quite a few topics about this theme. ;)

https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=153847.msg1118661#msg1118661
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=153849.msg1118667#msg1118667

TerraX

Oh thanks, I didn't realise.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: TerraX on August 25, 2014, 01:36:08 AM
No problem...you´re welcome. :)

TerraX
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Eddy on August 25, 2014, 01:42:32 AM
Version 8 is out, but when I go to Sun's website it says I have already the latest version installed (7)
And there is a article there that 8 is only mend for developers.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 01:49:43 AM
Version 8 is out, but when I go to Sun's website it says I have already the latest version installed (7)
And there is a article there that 8 is only mend for developers.

Probably why when we click on to update via Avast it just goes round and round but doesn't actually update.

Will Avast be updating their program version to fix this soon or will they be waiting till it's out fully?

I wonder if we will need to manually remove 7 before we go for 8.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Gopher John on August 25, 2014, 03:08:40 AM
Java 8 is has been officially released. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html).  It's not just for developers, and JRE 8 U20 is the latest for those on the newer Windows OSs.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 25, 2014, 03:44:23 AM
So Java 8 has been officially released so why isn't the Java updater via control panel says it's up to date and even the Java download page says Java 7 is the latest version. According to the link that you have provided Gopher John which one should we download that is suitable for home user is it JDK or JRE?
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Gopher John on August 25, 2014, 03:50:12 AM
So Java 8 has been officially released so why isn't the Java updater via control panel says it's up to date and even the Java download page says Java 7 is the latest version. According to the link that you have provided Gopher John which one should we download that is suitable for home user is it JDK or JRE?

The Java update page has had a problem for some time.  If you have version 7 (which is also a current official release) installed, and it is the latest build of version 7, it will tell you that it is up to date.  Technically, it is correct even though Java 8 is also a current official release.

Most home users only need the JRE.  It will satisfy most needs.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 03:56:29 AM
Can you supply a link to the JRE for 8 please so I know i'm using the correct one for Windows 7 laptop.

Also do I need to uninstall version 7 first? or will 8 replace it automatically?
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 03:58:29 AM
A direct link I mean.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 25, 2014, 04:02:12 AM
It's recommended to use this tool via here http://www.java.com/en/download/faq/uninstaller_toolinfo.xml after that restart your computer and install Java 8 and do another manual restart
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Gopher John on August 25, 2014, 04:09:20 AM
Can you supply a link to the JRE for 8 please so I know i'm using the correct one for Windows 7 laptop.

Also do I need to uninstall version 7 first? or will 8 replace it automatically?

You will find the links at http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre8-downloads-2133155.html (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre8-downloads-2133155.html).  Be sure that javascript is enabled and you are accepting cookies.  The actual download link is dynamically assigned, so any direct link I would have will be expired soon.  The filenames I downloaded were jre-8u20-windows-i586.exe and jre-8u20-windows-x64.exe.  The i586 install is needed for 32 bit programs that can use the JRE, while 64 bit programs obviously require the 64 install.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 25, 2014, 04:13:16 AM
So Java 8 has been officially released so why isn't the Java updater via control panel says it's up to date and even the Java download page says Java 7 is the latest version. According to the link that you have provided Gopher John which one should we download that is suitable for home user is it JDK or JRE?

The Java update page has had a problem for some time.  If you have version 7 (which is also a current official release) installed, and it is the latest build of version 7, it will tell you that it is up to date.  Technically, it is correct even though Java 8 is also a current official release.

I clicked on the Java JRE download and there are many OS list linix, Mac, Solaris, and Windows OS. Mine is Windows 7 64-bit and for Windows 7 64-bit version there are two types of download one is .exe and the other one is .tar.gz. Which one should I download? I will be doing this in 2 days because ran out of broadband speed lol

Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 25, 2014, 04:23:14 AM
Please discard my previous message because it was quoted in a wrong way.

I clicked on the Java JRE download and there are many OS list linix, Mac, Solaris, and Windows OS. Mine is Windows 7 64-bit and for Windows 7 64-bit version there are two types of download one is .exe and the other one is .tar.gz. Which one should I download? I will be doing this in 2 days because ran out of broadband speed lol
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 10:38:02 AM
It's recommended to use this tool via here http://www.java.com/en/download/faq/uninstaller_toolinfo.xml after that restart your computer and install Java 8 and do another manual restart

The trouble with using that un-install link is that it brings up a message saying Congratulations, you have no outdated versions and that version 7 update 67 is up-to-date.

So what is the best way of removing version 7 that will allow me to install version 8?
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 10:44:19 AM
I will just have to un-install it manually then install a fresh the version 8 and see how that goes.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 11:03:37 AM
Just to confirm I now have Java version 8 update 20 installed successfully. And it also shows on the Avast Software Updater as being up-to-date.

Thanks everyone for your help with this.  :D
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 25, 2014, 11:17:27 AM
Just to confirm I now have Java version 8 update 20 installed successfully. And it also shows on the Avast Software Updater as being up-to-date.

Thanks everyone for your help with this.  :D

Your very welcome  :) Did u download the .exe or the .tar.gz file of java?
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 11:39:07 AM
Downloaded the on-line version, not the tar.gz one.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 25, 2014, 12:02:03 PM
Thanks for letting me know and thanks to everyone for helping me out too  :). I will download that on Wednesday and let you know how it went?
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 12:40:10 PM
Good luck. and remember to un-install the older version first. Remember using that link about verifying older versions will only tell you about the 7 series, you may need to do the same as I did by removing 7 manually first then downloading the new version 8 separately.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 25, 2014, 12:45:22 PM
When a new version is available for download it would be good if Avast was able to employ a service that will attempt to un-install any older version series of JRE, then download the newer version for your system automatically.

Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 25, 2014, 12:57:31 PM
Thanks again for both of your comments nightshade. Avast team has plans for Avast Software Updater in Avast 2015 to become more better and include fixes for Avast Software Updater. About downloading the newer version automatically in system that's not available in Avast Free version (only PRO and Internet Security)
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Gopher John on August 25, 2014, 03:39:09 PM
Please discard my previous message because it was quoted in a wrong way.

I clicked on the Java JRE download and there are many OS list linix, Mac, Solaris, and Windows OS. Mine is Windows 7 64-bit and for Windows 7 64-bit version there are two types of download one is .exe and the other one is .tar.gz. Which one should I download? I will be doing this in 2 days because ran out of broadband speed lol

See https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=153882.msg1118984#msg1118984 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=153882.msg1118984#msg1118984).  These two are the offline install programs for the JRE.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 25, 2014, 11:05:25 PM
So I should download the .exe file of Java 8?
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Gopher John on August 25, 2014, 11:13:47 PM
So I should download the .exe file of Java 8?

It's all in the instructions.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 25, 2014, 11:50:52 PM
So I should download the .exe file of Java 8?

It's all in the instructions.

I was confused when you mentioned this "See https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=153882.msg1118984#msg1118984.  These two are the offline install programs for the JRE." As for Windowsx86 there are two versions of Java 8 online and offline. I have the 64-bit version of my Windows OS.

Currently Avast Software Updater says that my Java 7 is 32-bit and also it shows that an update for Java 8 is here which is also 32-bit. I will then only download the x86 (online version). Is that correct? Or should I download the Windows 64-bit (.exe file) of Java 8?

Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Gopher John on August 26, 2014, 12:26:07 AM
The X86 install is needed if you need to use Java in Firefox.  If you are running any 64 bit program that requires Java you will also need to install the X64 version.

I use the offline installers as one is less likely to get an add-on program which isn't needed.  I've never gotten anything but Java when using the offline installers.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 26, 2014, 01:17:59 AM
I went for Windows x86 Offline 32.17 MB
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 26, 2014, 01:22:03 AM
Actually I didn't, I went for Windows x86 Online 0.61 MB, and made sure I un-ticked any add-ons prior to the installation.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 26, 2014, 01:31:17 AM
The X86 install is needed if you need to use Java in Firefox.  If you are running any 64 bit program that requires Java you will also need to install the X64 version.

I use the offline installers as one is less likely to get an add-on program which isn't needed.  I've never gotten anything but Java when using the offline installers.

Well I don't use Firefox anymore. I only use Google Chrome. All of my other programs are x86 except my WINRAR which is 64-bit. So I should go for the online installation of Java 8 x86version (online). Since my current Java 7 is 32bit. I only see streaming movies and stuff like that on my google chrome.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Gopher John on August 26, 2014, 01:43:55 AM
I have Java installed for a couple of programs I use that require it.  I have it disabled in my browsers via the Java Control Panel, as I haven't found a site I need to utilize that requires it.  Doing so eliminates one more potential vector of exploitation.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 26, 2014, 02:06:40 AM
As for me should I install the 32-bit or 64-bit of Java 8 in my laptop? Currently I have the 32-bit version of Java 7.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Gopher John on August 26, 2014, 02:20:51 AM
It's to you to decide which you need. You may not have a need for Java at all.  Only by knowing what programs you have installed that may use Java, or what web sites you visit that require Java to work can you decide.  That is not a choice I can make for you.  The responsibility is all yours.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: nightshade on August 26, 2014, 02:21:31 AM
As for me should I install the 32-bit or 64-bit of Java 8 in my laptop? Currently I have the 32-bit version of Java 7.

I would tend to go with the bit version that Avast is reporting.
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: Staticguy on August 26, 2014, 02:24:43 AM
Thanks  :)
Title: Re: JRE Version 7 & version 8
Post by: REDACTED on August 26, 2014, 06:05:31 AM
FYI, I don't know if any of you run CollabNet Subversion Edge servers, but if you do, it's not yet compatible with JRE 8.

-Noel