Avast WEBforum

Consumer Products => Avast Free Antivirus / Premium Security (legacy Pro Antivirus, Internet Security, Premier) => Topic started by: RejZoR on August 22, 2005, 10:39:22 AM

Title: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: RejZoR on August 22, 2005, 10:39:22 AM
Anyone annoyed by the size of providers in the On-Access panel? You wan't to see them all but you have to scroll the list up or down? Here is something that would look nice as before,but could list around 7 providers at a time (compared to only 4 that can be shown now).

DEFAULT:
(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/4932/aswonacsd7il.png)

REDESIGNED:
(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1205/aswonacs9ui.png)

What do you think? I was thinking for this to be as an extra setting (so you can switch between large and this minimalistic providers field). But i'd be happy with minimalistic only too. Unless there is any other design problem (maybe longer words in other languages or something). Any chance we could see this someday in avast! ?

I'd post this into Wishlist section,but it's so full and i want to hear some more opinion from other users and from Alwil if this is possible :)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: darth.mikey on August 22, 2005, 11:16:47 AM
I think it's a great idea  ;D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: crofty59 on August 22, 2005, 11:42:12 AM
I also think it is a great idea

Cheers
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: DukeNukem on August 22, 2005, 12:57:55 PM
That is a nice idea  :)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 22, 2005, 01:29:07 PM
Much better and 98% optimized usage of the unbelievable non-used space in original version. Much better !

I just started to use a BitDefender Freeware (no resident shield, just on demand scanner) as my backup scanner. I was sooooo amazed by the clear, sharp lines, unbelievable easy to follow interface... hollidays for the sore eyes my friends...

I also suggest complete redesign of avast! on-demand scanner GUI (especially those "crunchy" icons..). It looks nice, but after you see BitDefender, avast! on-demand scanner reminds me on AVG's (unbelievable ugly btw) GUI.

Here is a screenie of BitDefender:

(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/8561/untitled11xi.jpg)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: XMAS on August 22, 2005, 01:54:33 PM
I really like the new design 
It's much better than the old one  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: igor on August 22, 2005, 02:17:36 PM
Well, I wouldn't really call it "old" and "new" design; there's only one design right now and I'm not sure if it's really a priority to change it ;)

Even though it looks nice on the screenshot, I can see one problem - in some of the language versions, the names of the providers are quite long, sometimes even longer than the current width of the column. Should the icon be displayed next to the text, it wouldn't fit at all (unless the whole window is significantly enlarged).
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: Eddy on August 22, 2005, 02:36:24 PM
Just a thought....

Could let the user choose if he wants to se the icon, text or both
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 22, 2005, 02:43:15 PM
Igor is right and Eddy's suggestion would be wonderful... also it would give some additional space for longer words in other languages...

Anyway, maybe icons like these ? I just came up with this little example... Of course, I can easily make all other icons (other providers which are not visible on this screenshot)

(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1315/untitled22py.jpg)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: Lisandro on August 22, 2005, 02:46:06 PM
RejZor, nice idea. Very good improvement on English language.
But, for others, maybe Igor has a good memory...

I can see one problem - in some of the language versions, the names of the providers are quite long, sometimes even longer than the current width of the column. Should the icon be displayed next to the text, it wouldn't fit at all (unless the whole window is significantly enlarged).
Igor, maybe just the font size could be reduced a little, or the icon size...  8)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: XMAS on August 22, 2005, 02:47:50 PM
Just a thought....
Could let the user choose if he wants to se the icon, text or both
Well that could do the work. :)

These new icons which Sasha suggested  are very good  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 22, 2005, 02:56:39 PM
Or somethign like this... that would give you a plenty of room for long words...  ;)

(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1007/untitled19xy.jpg)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: RejZoR on August 22, 2005, 02:57:40 PM
 :o Forget it. Leave it as it is and just add Sashas icons!!!!!! :o :D
Current Standard Shield icon is ugly (sorry Martin,but i really don't like it,especially weird font for "a" letter inside it).
These from Sasha really look incredible. Omg omg i wanna have them weeeeeee ;D
We just need one for P2P,IM and Internet Mail/MS Outlook :)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: DavidR on August 22, 2005, 03:10:45 PM
I think there is merit in being able to see all your installed providers, some posts on the forums have even said they can't see things, when in fact all they had to do was scroll down.

Sasha's new Icons look great (much prettier than BitDefender), but they are also larger than the existing ones, which would leave less room for text. Edit: seeing the movement of the avast branding on the left to an alternate location would give extra space.

Personally I don't find the BitDefender screen shot attractive, simple, clean lines, yes, attractive sorry No. But there is no accounting for my taste (poor or otherwise) ;D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: RejZoR on August 22, 2005, 03:20:45 PM
Those new icons could be resized a bit if requred. But they look miles ahead current ones. Ok,i like Network Shield and Web Shield ones because they look like they're made from glass,i also liked former Standard Shield,but not current one.
These from Sasha are simplistic,but on the other hand they give very professional look.
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 22, 2005, 05:07:15 PM
Here is another example with all icons this time:

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3826/untitled19rq.jpg)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 22, 2005, 05:11:05 PM
To explain it a little bit...

I resized those icons believe me or not... if you don't believe me, you are free to make screenshots of both versions (one from the earlier reply I made and now this one).

Also I marked few spots inside the on-demand scanner's window. Those points are the ones I had to change (redesign) slightly... I had to reorganize text above those two buttons at the bottom. Also, I had to resize few areas (white area under the icons), and move avast! banner little bit lower on the stage...

Now we have enough room for all 8 providers... is there any other I am not aware of  ;D ?

Cheers !

Screenshot with pointers:

(http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/6213/untitled24gb.jpg)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: RejZoR on August 22, 2005, 05:11:26 PM
Sasha,Alwil should hire you just because of graphics. This is exactly what i meant.
They give the same message as current ones,but they look s damn nice ;D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 22, 2005, 05:18:15 PM
Thank you RejZoR for you opinion and it makes me very very happy...

Yes, it's not like I ever asked to be paid for this, althoug it would be great if I could find some steady designing job... that would be soooo nice...

I just wanted our wonderful antivirus to look a bit more professional if possible. I didn't say Martin's work isn't good because you all know what I think of Martin. Wonderful guy, friend you can just wish for, and very, very talented designer. My hat always down to that guy.

It's just those icons were looking kinda old fashioned, almost like AVG's design... why not use smoothing feature when we can, so our icons could look much smoother on the edges, not like those old ones...

Cheers !
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: YLAP on August 22, 2005, 05:34:14 PM
A lot of screenshots here...  :o I think now it's alwil team turn to decide is it worth to change something...  ;)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: XMAS on August 22, 2005, 05:38:53 PM
I think that they have to change it, it look very professional and nice  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: Lisandro on August 22, 2005, 05:42:05 PM
Sasha, I love your new icons, seems professional (like some newbies complain about avast! graphics from time to time  :P).
The idea of smaller icons are good, showing all of them  8)
Maybe, the best, will be when the user can choose how that could be displayed (Eddy's suggestion) or choose which group of icons will be used  8) (I can imagine that this is not so simple do iimplement...  ;D)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 22, 2005, 10:28:04 PM
Well, all PNG files are here, ready for use. If Alwil prefer .ICO files I can provide them with those as well.

It's all up to them... nothing strange in using someone else's (other than Alwil) icons, so I'm offering these icons as my present to Alwil. Now it's their turn, to say wheter they like them or not...

Regards !
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: YLAP on August 22, 2005, 10:32:16 PM
New icons are really great and I hope we'll see them in avast! soon! ALWIL team, where are you?....
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: StopMe on August 22, 2005, 10:35:33 PM
They look soo professional, I hope I'll see them in the next update soon!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: connie on August 22, 2005, 11:26:18 PM
I think they look super.. I hope that they give them serious consideration

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/connieaz/haveaniceday.gif)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: SUSZANNAH on August 23, 2005, 01:07:06 AM
Totally agree.......very professional and impressive.....would love to have them...... :)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: Jorasik on August 23, 2005, 10:35:42 AM
The best icons i've ever seen! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Please please please i want them in the next version!!!!!! ::) :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 23, 2005, 09:33:02 PM
Any comment from Alwil crew or as usual no changes from outside ?
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: FastGame on August 23, 2005, 10:41:18 PM
Quote
Sasha,Alwil should hire you just because of graphics. This is exactly what i meant.
They give the same message as current ones,but they look s damn nice Grin

Quote
The best icons i've ever seen!
Please please please i want them in the next version!!!!!!

I agree, man-0-man thats some dam nice work ! :D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: StopMe on August 24, 2005, 12:28:16 AM
I would stare at those resident providers for weeks..... 8)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 24, 2005, 12:34:00 AM
Haha, you are silly my friend... but sure it would make many of us very, very happy (as far as I can see at least from this thread and all those replies) if Alwil consider these icons for some of avast!'s upcoming program updates... still... no one contacted me yet, and I believe it will stay that way... as it seems...  :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: StopMe on August 24, 2005, 12:38:07 AM
We'll just have to wait, they must be pretty busy at the moment.   :) 
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 24, 2005, 12:46:54 AM
No, I don't believe in that my friend... it's happening little bit too often now... >:( It looks like outside graphical related suggestions aren't welcome...  ::) And all I wanted is to see this wonderful antivirus even prettier... it si possible, we have a proof now...  ;)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: Atomic_Ed on August 24, 2005, 03:58:46 AM
Wow those are terrific ideas and great icons! I sure hope Alwil uses them.
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: hbkh on August 24, 2005, 04:45:07 AM
Thats amazing work, Great Job! Heres another vote from me to put in the next version!  ;D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: Jorasik on August 24, 2005, 09:10:18 AM
Why don't you make a VOTE topic ???
Maybe alwil will see if there is 100% activity for -I want these icons  :D :D :D :D ::) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 24, 2005, 12:38:22 PM
Believe me Neron... Voting will not change anything, even if you have 800% of votes. It's just not how it works in this case. Alwil is the only one who can decide will they use these icons or not. Even if you guys vote with only 5% of votes to have those icons in next program update, and Alwil decide to use them anyway, their word will be finall... same thing if you have 100% of votes for new icons... nothing will change their mind, until they decide what to do...

I personally don't see anything wrong in using some "outside" source (other than Alwil) icons. I just wanted to help a bit...
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: darth.mikey on August 24, 2005, 12:39:55 PM
I think Alwil should hire you Sasha  ;D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: DavidR on August 24, 2005, 12:48:43 PM
We have healthy support in this topic for the icons and an active thread, not getting attention from the people who matter Alwil (I doubt that would change with a poll). I have always believed in function over aesthetics any day, so if this is a low priority for the Alwil team I can appreciate that and all they have to do is say that is the case.
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: Ricky on August 24, 2005, 12:59:21 PM
and pay you sasha lol
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 24, 2005, 01:22:29 PM
We have healthy support in this topic for the icons and an active thread, not getting attention from the people who matter Alwil (I doubt that would change with a poll). I have always believed in function over aesthetics any day, so if this is a low priority for the Alwil team I can appreciate that and all they have to do is say that is the case.


Well, I posted a picture of BitDefender... nothing to "crowdy" over there. Aesthetics IMHO is perfect when it comes to that antivirus. Unbelievable clean interface with easy to follow options, and most important thing, that antivirus works like a charm.

Aesthetics is important and it will always be. Look sells and we all know that. Billions of dollars are spent each year on designing products, and the only two reasons are because products becomes more attractive to the human's eye, and second one even more important, it sells products. No one can say design is less important than something else. It's normal part of every serious business. All I can see here is that soooo many people said they would like to see those icons. I am just no budy, and to tell the truth, I don't even care any more are those icons are considered or not... I just made them, and if they like them, they are free to use them... if not, that will not be my only work that will be thrown away... not the first, not the last. Life goes on...

Again, aesthetics is very important in every aspect of our life. Let's make completely "naked" DOS looking GUI for avast! and make it default and even the only one skin for our antivirus. I'm sure many people would like that, but I am also sure much more would be very unhappy with GUI like that... so, graphic is important. Suit doesn't make a man... another thing that's not true. Try to go and find some job, apply with your resume and appear dressed as a homeless. No one will even look at you, and that's the truth... painful but true. I don't like that, but that's the way this damn World works...
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: FastGame on August 24, 2005, 03:31:57 PM
 sasha ? why don't you just make the skin and we can use it on our own choosing ?

You can have your independent skin collection, RejZoR could host them on his site :D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 24, 2005, 03:53:58 PM
The biggest problem my friend is... I can not control or "skin" the On-Access Scanner's interface, and all those icons are for On-Access Scanner  :-\ That's the main problem...
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: joaopr on August 24, 2005, 07:27:24 PM
A suggestion. 
It also changes the icon in the bar of tasks. 
He would be very pretty if the icon was as the in-access, with a better appearance. 
I have an idea:  If the icon to be with blue a transparent one, and the a was turning as it is, would be legal.
 Please, they say what they find.
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 25, 2005, 01:32:04 PM
Alwil ? Can we at least hear your opinion on this one ? That would be sooooooo nice.  :)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: Vlk on August 25, 2005, 06:12:42 PM
Sasha, I like what I see but I'm afraid we won't have time to make any larger GUI changes before avast 5...

For avast 5, my idea was very similar of what you posted, or maybe something like this - our new upcoming product (still classified - pssst!!) :) I mean it.
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: darth.mikey on August 25, 2005, 06:14:05 PM
UUUUUU  looks very nice Vlk i just can't wait for the new version hihihi  ;D
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 25, 2005, 06:46:25 PM
Looks nice, although those icons still looks kinda unfinished (jaggy edges on some of them), and some of them looks like they are for something else... for example, updates icon looks like "connections" icon. RJ45 connector icon represents more connection than updates (downloads)... Maybe you guys still have enough time to consider those I showed earlier in this thread... if not, no big deal. I was just trying to help somehow...

Cheers !

EDIT: Although, ther is no record of "edited" message, I see you guys updated that screenshot... no jagged edges any more, but still some strange way of combining some orange-ish, and purple-ish colors in some icons... But, true... new versions of icons look much better than the old ones.  ;)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: igor on August 25, 2005, 07:18:49 PM
Well, what Vlk showed is a different product - no list of providers is there.
Otherwise, you icons are cool, of course - as always ;)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 25, 2005, 07:24:52 PM
No, no Igor... I know it's a different product, it says so on the topic line of Vlk's screenshot... it's just, I thought you guys will maybe use that kind of icons over there... I know those are not for this product, at least not for this one, haha...

Thanks for your opinion on icons... some of them use Windows Vista icons as a base, but 99% of work is totally mine... If you need them, just alarm me, and I'll send them... I have PNG or ICO files here, whatever you need. If not, no problems at all... I just tried to be of some help if possible... but sure it's nice to hear from you guys. We don't need our forum members to break their neck trying to explain how much they like these icons, I mean it's obvious judging by their responds in this thread... but, it's nice to hear from you as well...

Regards !
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: darth.mikey on August 25, 2005, 07:32:29 PM
Come on guys use sasha's icons you know they look nicer than the ones we have now i mean it's not like he wants money for them hehe(i think nobody else would do this for free)  ;D

Cheers

Mikey
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: Lisandro on August 25, 2005, 07:36:10 PM
Vlk, now we're curious...
What is Write lock and U3?
Where are the providers lists? Why Igor say it's a different product?
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 25, 2005, 07:40:19 PM
Well obviously it's a different product... Vlk also mentioned same thing... See here:

Quote by Vlk:
Quote
...maybe something like this - our new upcoming product (still classified - pssst!!)  I mean it.

It looks to me that Mac is getting an avast! antivirus... hihihi... it must be they are not so invulnerable after all...
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: YLAP on August 25, 2005, 10:20:51 PM
It looks to me that Mac is getting an avast! antivirus... hihihi... it must be they are not so invulnerable after all...

I think the same... But it looks so...  :o cool... I hope that avast HE someday will look more or less in the way  like shown in the picture...  ;)
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: neiby on August 26, 2005, 08:26:35 AM
You can add my name to the list of people voting for Sasha's icons. They look fantastic!
Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: Dwarden on August 26, 2005, 02:09:23 PM
to be fair ... i really like the "little" design change suggestion from this shot

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1007/untitled19xy.jpg

i wish some "small" update to 4.6.xxx in future do this (before we get some new big version) ...

also these icons from Slaap are very nice ...

Title: Re: Providers list too big? I have an idea :)
Post by: szc on August 26, 2005, 03:24:55 PM
Hello Dwarden my friend, it's me... Sasha...

Thanks for your opinion, I am so honoured by your generous moral support people... you have no clue how much that means to me.  :)

The only problem with that idea (the one from the screenshot I made and you posted in your previous reply), could be when user press LESS DETAILS... button. We all know what happens after that. Icons becomes hidden, non-visible, but since the avast! banner (black,dark-green,orange strip) is placed horizontally, it would be kinda difficult to shrink that window by horizontal axis. Maybe Alwil guys have some other solution that can help, but certainly this would allow us to have much more space for words (especially in other languages) right next to the icons...

Cheers !