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Title: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 21, 2005, 04:43:10 PM
Can I use ZA free(latest version) and avast!(latest version) without any problems.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Spyros on September 21, 2005, 04:47:13 PM
Yes. I do too.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: cvsa on September 21, 2005, 05:13:20 PM
no, not necessarly ....... :-\

there may be problems of reboot or bsod between webshield and za 6 under xp.

cf : http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=16494.0

Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 21, 2005, 05:42:29 PM
:'( :'( :'(
That's bad.I really wanted to install ZA on a brand new xp.Other alternative was Sygate but symantec bought it.Kerio is too difficult for me.Outpost is good I think but i haven't used it yet.What to do now    :'( :'( ??? :-[
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Lisandro on September 21, 2005, 05:49:21 PM
no, not necessarly ....... :-\
there may be problems of reboot or bsod between webshield and za 6 under xp.
cf : http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=16494.0
As far I could see, there is not a definitive answer of that problems.
Seems that SOME USERS have it and not a general failure between avast and ZA.

Neron, as far I've tested, not a problem with avast and ZA.
Maybe installing avast! before, booting... then ZA (I've installed with avast! enabled but some others said they disabled avast to install ZA).
Sygate and Outpost will be options. But, I won't give up on ZA that quick  8)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 21, 2005, 06:04:25 PM
Maybe I'll try it and if something goes wrong I'll install Sygate.Or what about kaspersky anti-hacker
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 21, 2005, 06:05:41 PM
Or maybe just installing older version of ZA(which one  ??? )
will do the trick till there the problem is solved
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Lisandro on September 21, 2005, 07:43:20 PM
Or maybe just installing older version of ZA(which one  ??? ) will do the trick till there the problem is solved
It could be, but I see no reason to not test the last one before.
If anything goes wrong, just uninstall it at Safe Mode booting.

Maybe I'll try it and if something goes wrong I'll install Sygate. Or what about kaspersky anti-hacker
I never used or tested Kaspersky. It's a good company and their products are strong and stable.
Again, I won't change ZA (free) for other firewall  8)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: StopMe on September 21, 2005, 11:54:46 PM
The latest version of Zone Alarm has been wrecking some havoc on some user's PC, for now, I'm using the early version (6.0.631.003) on my PC and it seems to working fine for me.

Download here (http://download.zonelabs.com/bin/free/1012_zl/zlsSetup_60_631_003.exe)

Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: justin1278 on September 21, 2005, 11:56:37 PM
i use ZA 6.0.667.000 and avast with no problems
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: RNfromTN on September 22, 2005, 01:41:55 AM
i use ZA 6.0.667.000 and avast with no problems
Same here,none whatsoever.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: justin1278 on September 22, 2005, 01:55:21 AM
it is very strange how on some computers ZA latest version with avast seems fine and on others it crashes the PC.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Fast on September 22, 2005, 02:02:46 AM
Maybe I'll try it and if something goes wrong I'll install Sygate.Or what about kaspersky anti-hacker

Please do NOT use Kaspersky anti-hacker together with Avast!
It seems that Kaspersky writes something in the registry that is picked up by Avast! that makes Avast! think there's another AV program installed.
Allthough this is not the case (KAH is a firewall, not an anti-virus prog) Avast! will nag you about this.

read here : http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=13835.0

Fast
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 22, 2005, 02:19:30 AM
I use latest version of ZA without any problems. Some people have reported some issues, though... I have no ZA issues whatsoever.

Edit: I use Kerio latest version on my other PC, and that firewall is unbelievable good. I'm thinking to switch my primary PC to Kerio as well... although I am little bit too lazy for uninstalling, cleaning the registry, installing of Kerio... whoa... too much work, haha...
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: FastGame on September 22, 2005, 02:41:33 AM
I used ZA 6 with avast and all was fine, I liked Kerio 2.1.5 better so I went back to that.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: justin1278 on September 22, 2005, 02:42:47 AM
if you use Kerio personal firewall you may want to change because it is being discontinued.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: FastGame on September 22, 2005, 03:02:06 AM
if you use Kerio personal firewall you may want to change because it is being discontinued.
Not really, it'll still work as well as it does now. There just won't be any updates, of coarse I would suggest it not be bought.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 22, 2005, 08:01:37 AM
Thank you friends!I will try it today and see what will happen ;)
Hope it's okay.Few days ago I installed ZA latest version with avast already installed.Think everything is OK.Only Web shield isn't working.Don't know why.Uninstalling ZA doesn't bring web shield back on.But on this PC everything will be fine I guess.
My strategy:
1.Install avast!
2.Install all my programs.
3.Install all windows updates.
4.Install ZA latest version.If there are any problems I will uninstall ZA and install 60631...
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 22, 2005, 12:05:47 PM
Thank you friends!I will try it today and see what will happen ;)
Hope it's okay.Few days ago I installed ZA latest version with avast already installed.Think everything is OK.Only Web shield isn't working.Don't know why.Uninstalling ZA doesn't bring web shield back on.But on this PC everything will be fine I guess.
My strategy:
1.Install avast!
2.Install all my programs.
3.Install all windows updates.
4.Install ZA latest version.If there are any problems I will uninstall ZA and install 60631...

I would change that strategy and proceed like this:

1.) Install ZA latest version
2.) install avast!

3.) then install all Windows updates...
4.) and then install your programs...

Why ? Because many of your programs will require updates, and that means, connecting to to the internet. You don't wanna connect to the net without your firewall installed...

Especially, you said you're going to install all Windows updates... even if you are on high-speed internet connection, it will take you a while untill it's finished. All that time connected to the net without your firewall installed... I wouldn't do that... that's for sure...  ;)

if you use Kerio personal firewall you may want to change because it is being discontinued.

Being discontinued doesn't mean firewall will not be any good any more... not at all. Kerio is one of the strongest/best firewalls out there, everyone knows that. It's just there will be no updates anymore. How often we see those firewall program updates anyway ? Once in a year... This firewall will do it's job, and it will do it best it can for a long time, believe me.

Anyway, such a great product can't stay in this phase forever... someone will do something regarding that product I am sure, maybe some other company will buy those copyrights or something. If nothing, I also believe it may go under GNU licence... who knows...

Cheers !
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Lisandro on September 22, 2005, 01:42:18 PM
My strategy will be:

0. Install Windows SP2  ;D
1. Install avast!
2. Install Zone Alarm.
3. Install all Windows Updates.
4. Install programs.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 22, 2005, 02:30:26 PM
Tech, see here (Neron's signature):

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Celeron 633Mhz;256Mb RAM;40Gb HDD;Windows XP Pro SP2;Avast4.6;Ad-aware;Mozilla firefox;

He already has WinXP SP2, so I skipped that one...  ;D
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 22, 2005, 03:16:15 PM
My strategy will be:

0. Install Windows SP2  ;D
1. Install avast!
2. Install Zone Alarm.
3. Install all Windows Updates.
4. Install programs.

Quote
1.) Install ZA latest version
2.) install avast!
3.) then install all Windows updates...
4.) and then install your programs...

Now I'm confused.Which strategy to follow ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 22, 2005, 03:36:49 PM
Trust me Neron, install Firewall first... that's the first line of defense, and of course immediatelly install antivirus program.  ;)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Lisandro on September 22, 2005, 03:41:26 PM
Trust me Neron, install Firewall first... that's the first line of defense, and of course immediatelly install antivirus program.  ;)
Trust me Noron  ;D, install the antivirus first... that will bring less incompatibility problems, of course, immediatelly install firewall program  ;)
Well, at last, won't be so different  :P
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 22, 2005, 03:55:42 PM
Why Microsoft didn't go with some temporary antivirus solution then, but they chose firewall ? Not quite effective, but it's there.

You need to have Firewall installed and then proceed with installing antivirus solution. That will cut the chance for incompatibility. Because once ZA is installed, you install avast! and it will recognize ZA immediatelly...

You remember that virus, whatever that used to count down until your Windows shuts down ? No antivirus would prevent it, unless you had firewall installed  ;)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 22, 2005, 05:17:22 PM
I will not connect the computer to the internet without having antivirus program installed.The question is to install the firewall (without internet connection) and then avast or to install avast then ZA and connect to the Internet.
You're not helping me this way ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ???
And the pc will be protected even without ZA installed because of avast network shield and mainly because of windows firewall.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 22, 2005, 05:34:24 PM
...
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And the pc will be protected even without ZA installed because of avast network shield and mainly because of windows firewall.


No, not at all... WebShield can not replace a good firewall and even Alwil will tell you that. That's just additional precaution, additional (very good btw) avast! feature. Windwos firewall will not protect you as you expect, it's just a half of a firewall.

Install your firewall by your choice, it doesn't have to be ZA. You chose whatever suits you best. It will take you just few minutes. Then install avast! and that's it... very simple. Do not visit any other web sites or browse the internet at all untill you are 100% protected, until those essential programs are up and running...  ;)

Cheers !
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 22, 2005, 05:44:07 PM
I know very very very well what network shield is doing and what windows firewall is.On this PC(not the new one) I'm using windows firewall for months.No problems.Runs and protects perfect.If I stop it network shield begins showing attacks.I'm not using ZA because my parents don't know what to do when a message appears and don't want to deal with such things.Hope everything will be OK.
I think the antivirus program is the 1-st thing you should install.The firewall is just some extra protection(since I have Windows firewall)
But if you say so maybe I'll have to install ZA first.Just take a look here.
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Neron, as far I've tested, not a problem with avast and ZA.
Maybe installing avast! before, booting... then ZA (I've installed with avast! enabled but some others said they disabled avast to install ZA).
Sygate and Outpost will be options. But, I won't give up on ZA that quick
He says he tested it this way and no problems.Very strange situation.Maybe the both ways there will be no problems but....just wanted to be sure.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 22, 2005, 05:51:36 PM
Well I am telling you do some searching on this matter and you'll see. Windows firewall is protection you just a half way. It has no outbound protection, just inbound. If any program is trying to send some information outside your computer it will send them without even asking you, and you will not be aware of any single thing that left your PC  ;)

I'm telling you, and you trust whoever you want. First of all, he installed it his way and he had no problems. That's fine and I do not wanna argue on this... I have some more important things to finish right now...

Second, I installed it the way I told you, and I didn't do that just on my PC, but on more than 100 PCs during the last year. No one ever complained, so I guess they are happy campers...  ;)

Again, you do whatever you want, but as I see, you asked, so we are just trying to help you... your pc, your choice...
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 22, 2005, 05:52:48 PM
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Install your firewall by your choice, it doesn't have to be ZA. You chose whatever suits you best. It will take you just few minutes. Then install avast! and that's it... very simple. Do not visit any other web sites or browse the internet at all until you are 100% protected, until those essential programs are up and running...  ;)

Cheers !
I wanted to install ZA because i think it;s the easiest firewall to configure.Sygate was another alternative but now it is part of symantec.Don't know what to say ::)  .Kerio is very good but it's using mainly rules and i want application related firewall.Hard to configure.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 22, 2005, 05:58:05 PM
Well I am telling you do some searching on this matter and you'll see. Windows firewall is protection you just a half way. It has no outbound protection, just inbound. If any program is trying to send some information outside your computer it will send them without even asking you, and you will not be aware of any single thing that left your PC  ;)

I'm telling you, and you trust whoever you want. First of all, he installed it his way and he had no problems. That's fine and I do not wanna argue on this... I have some more important things to finish right now...

Second, I installed it the way I told you, and I didn't do that just on my PC, but on more than 100 PCs during the last year. No one ever complained, so I guess they are happy campers...  ;)

Again, you do whatever you want, but as I see, you asked, so we are just trying to help you... your pc, your choice...
Ok thank you!Maybe you strategy(or even the both) are ok.About windows firewall-yes I do know it is protecting only the inbound traffic.But that's ok if you don't have Trojan horse virus or worm already installed.
And yes.I trust you.I trust tech too. ;)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 22, 2005, 05:58:48 PM
The fact that Sygate is a part of the Symantec doesn't tell anything at all. Symantec is a great company and we all just have ugly experiences because of the Norton. So we all tend to speak bad things about Symantec without really having a good reason. Norton is bad product, Symantec is not that bad company.

I mean, in my work as a computer technician, there is no better tool for backing up your system's partitions, or cloning HD, than NORTON Ghost. There are many, but none of them works as good as Ghost. Also, another example. There is pcAnywhere, program for remote connections. You can fix someone else's PC even if he lives in Australia, of course if it's not some kind of hardware related malfunction... I do that every second day with my father's PC in Croatia. I connect from Canada and in just few seconds I am inside his computer like it's right is in front of me...

Cheers !
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Jorasik on September 22, 2005, 06:01:34 PM
The fact that Sygate is a part of the Symantec doesn't tell anything at all. Symantec is a great company and we all just have ugly experiences because of the Norton. So we all tend to speak bad things about Symantec without really having a good reason. Norton is bad product, Symantec is not that bad company.

I mean, in my work as a computer technician, there is no better tool for backing up your system's partitions, or cloning HD, than NORTON Ghost. There are many, but none of them works as good as Ghost. Also, another example. There is pcAnywhere, program for remote connections. You can fix someone else's PC even if he lives in Australia, of course if it's not some kind of hardware related malfunction... I do that every second day with my father's PC in Croatia. I connect from Canada and in just few seconds I am inside his computer like it's right is in front of me...

Cheers !
Think you are right
I'm using vnc for this.Guess pcAnywhere is better.I don't know
If ZA fails sygate is alternative
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 22, 2005, 06:32:49 PM
Think you are right
I'm using vnc for this.Guess pcAnywhere is better.I don't know
If ZA fails sygate is alternative

It's not that pcAnywhere is better, but the fact that all our customers already have a pcAnywhere as a part of their package installed on their systems. So, because they already have pcAnywhere installed and host files preconfigured, it's easier for us to connect to their computers using pcAnywhere, than to ask them to install UltraVnc server on their computers.

I personally use both, and before I used to use WinVNC, but since the new version of UltraVNC came out I am more that happy... see attachment:

(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3996/untitled19fw1.jpg)

I have to say that UltraVNC is pretty much faster than pcAnywhere 11.0.1 and also file transfer works much better as well... I have them both installed on my dad's PC, so if sometimes something goes wrong with pcAnywhere, I always have a backup option... UltraVNC. More and more I'm strating to use UltraVNC more often than pcAnywhere.

Btw, did you know that there is a new version out there... unbelievable fast and some nice additional features... and all that totally free of charge. 100% freeware and it's distributed under GNU General Public licence... nice, very nice...

Link: http://ultravnc.sourceforge.net
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: internetworld7 on September 23, 2005, 12:31:02 AM
THIS REQUIRES YOUR ATTENTION!

Unless you can show me something in print that says Kerio Personal Firewall is being discontinued I would higly recommend you all take another look at Kerio.com! What is being discontinued according to their website is Kerio Firewall Server. These are two different products and not the same. To assume that the personal firewall is being discontinued is only an assumption.

Now I might be the one who is wrong and correcting me is welcomed but I have seen nothing in writing that states Kerio Personal Firewall is being discontined or that the company is going out of business. If anybody has the 'specifics' please show me where I can look at it. Thanks. ;)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: StopMe on September 23, 2005, 12:33:10 AM
Click here (http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=7040&start=0&S=5d26a1794ace0ec84774cafcc7e61865)  :)

Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 23, 2005, 12:41:05 AM
Exactly straight from the Kerio developers... they don't lie...  ;)

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Hello all,

Kerio Technologies has grown into a significant player in both security and messaging markets. We have achieved many accolades, and we have many satisfied customers all over the world.

Kerio now employs over one hundred people in our three offices worldwide. We want to continue to deliver products that you enjoy to use. We made a promise to give our customers the best products in their category. And that means implementing some changes in our product strategy.

During the second half of this year, Kerio will be discontinuing two host-based security products from our portfolio – Kerio ServerFirewall and Kerio Personal Firewall.


Kerio Personal Firewall will be discontinued as of December 31, 2005. It will not be available for purchase after this date. Subscriptions will not be renewed. Technical support will be provided to all customers with valid subscriptions until the end of 2006.

Thank you for your support of Kerio.

Cheers,
Joshua Thomas
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: DavidR on September 23, 2005, 12:48:51 AM
A google search for "Kerio Personal Firewall" is being discontinued (http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&q=%22Kerio+Personal+Firewall%22+is+being+discontinued) returns hundreds of hits, take your pick.

However Turkey's link is direct from the horses mouth so to speak (Technical Support Manager) at the Kerio forums. So I guess its true.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: internetworld7 on September 23, 2005, 01:14:59 AM
Well, I'm not too interested in a lot of rumors posted at forums. I'd prefer to hear it from the horses mouth. When I go to www.kerio.com I don't see that at all. If you have a link from a Kerio representative or Technician that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 23, 2005, 01:23:09 AM
OK here it goes:

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Hello all,

Kerio Technologies has grown into a significant player in both security and messaging markets. We have achieved many accolades, and we have many satisfied customers all over the world.

Kerio now employs over one hundred people in our three offices worldwide. We want to continue to deliver products that you enjoy to use. We made a promise to give our customers the best products in their category. And that means implementing some changes in our product strategy.

During the second half of this year, Kerio will be discontinuing two host-based security products from our portfolio – Kerio ServerFirewall and Kerio Personal Firewall.


Kerio Personal Firewall will be discontinued as of December 31, 2005. It will not be available for purchase after this date. Subscriptions will not be renewed. Technical support will be provided to all customers with valid subscriptions until the end of 2006.

Thank you for your support of Kerio.

Cheers,
Joshua Thomas



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joshua Thomas
Technical Support Manager
2350 Mission College Blvd, Suite 400
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: (408) 496-4500
Fax: (408) 496-6902

http://www.kerio.com/support.html
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: internetworld7 on September 23, 2005, 02:02:53 AM
Yes, I'm a bona fide sceptic ;D I just had to call that Kerio Firewall phone number to confirm that the Kerio Personal Firewall is being discontinued! And the lady that I spoke with in customer service did confirm that Kerio Personal Firewall is being discontinued. So I stand corrected and now I am satisfied because google searches and forums wasn't going to convince me at all. Too many rumors start at forums. :)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: szc on September 23, 2005, 02:05:41 AM
Yes, exactly, but that number, actually the whole quote I gave you is from that forum that Turkey gave you link for... check it again and see the first post in that thread...

Cheers !

P.S. It's actually a good attribute to be cautious as you are...  ;D
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: GhosTT on September 23, 2005, 03:17:36 AM
AVAST and Zone Alarm.

For me works great!
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: scaa on September 23, 2005, 02:38:42 PM
I am using the latest from ZA and Avast. Both working fine with no problems whatsoever
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: DavidR on September 23, 2005, 02:58:35 PM
Well, I'm not too interested in a lot of rumors posted at forums. I'd prefer to hear it from the horses mouth. When I go to www.kerio.com I don't see that at all. If you have a link from a Kerio representative or Technician that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
A healthy dose of scepticism is good when listening to claims about new software products being the best thing since sliced bread, but ignoring the words of the Kerio Technical Support Manager written in the kerio forums.

They are obviously not going to paint it across their web site as I believe they are still selling it?
As you have now found it is correct.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Lisandro on September 23, 2005, 09:35:35 PM
Well, I'm not too interested in a lot of rumors posted at forums.
Well, like David said, they're more than rumors... Not all the forums are bla-bla-bla. If you don't want to believe in any of them, believe in avast! forums  8)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: cvsa on September 24, 2005, 03:40:25 PM
to be back to the original subject of this thread, i decided to switch back to za 5.5.109.

even if i didn't experienced crashes during browsing (i'm on win 98se...)

i had troubles shutting down the computer (vsmon didn't close) and my computer was really slowing down with za6..... :-\
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: internetworld7 on September 26, 2005, 08:53:15 AM
When you install the most recent version of ZoneAlarm firewall, avast! will pop up a message that says it has detected incompatible software. avast! gives you the option to disable the web shield transparent proxy setting. Selecting this option does not leave your computer unprotected or vulnerable, neither is the webshield feature disabled. I went to eicar.org and tested the web shield and it worked just fine as usual. The avast! message also says that they are working with ZoneLabs to fix this issue. You also have the option to manually adjust your browser proxy settings to correct this as well, though I wasn't clear on how to do this. Hope this helps. :)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: polonus on September 26, 2005, 11:53:57 PM
Hello you all,

I want the word of the experts here?
After a clean install what to install first FW or AV.
Or install FW and AV first from a CD (avast and ZA)  and after that connect to the Internet? For my little cousin in Poland I took the latter option, first installed, then connected the dial-up in his case.
What is the best policy. Anyone?

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Lisandro on September 27, 2005, 12:07:49 AM
When you install the most recent version of ZoneAlarm firewall, avast! will pop up a message that says it has detected incompatible software.
In fact, only ZA Pro and specifically the privacy features have incompatibility with avast.
ZA free works perfectly with avast! (in my personal experience)  8)
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: Hipwr on September 27, 2005, 02:12:38 AM
I've been using them together for 7 or 8 months. Just be sure to allow the AV updater access to the internet.
Title: Re: ZA and avast!
Post by: nnnnnpatel on September 27, 2005, 06:29:32 AM
I had similar problems where my machine would reboot.  The cure that I found was disable avast first.  Then install latest ZA.  During installation when it asks if you are using antivirus, then answer NO.  Reboot and everything should work

nnnnnpatel