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Title: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on September 24, 2005, 07:31:14 PM
I searched on Download.com in this morning and found that both AVG Free Edition and AVG Pro were reviewed by Download.com

http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.html?tag=srch&qt=avg&tg=dl-20&search.x=0&search.y=0&search=+Go%21

I just wondered why both avast! Home Edition and avast! Pro have been there for much longer than AVG but have not been reviewed by Download.com?

Also, in many software websites, AVG Free Edition is rewarded as the best free antivirus program. Most of them do not even mention avast! Even though avast! is shown in some websites, it is not as popular as AVG.

avast! has a better detection rate, more protection providers, more friendly interfrace and much more.

What makes such a big difference???
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: XMAS on September 24, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
In my opinion MERCHANDISE/ADVERTISEMENT do all the work  :)
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: DavidR on September 24, 2005, 08:29:53 PM
As far as I can see from your link these arent reviews by download.com, but a very short CNet Editors write up and the ranking comes from user reviews from people who have downloaded the program.

If that is the case I suppose there is nothing to stop you or anyone else writing your own short review and ranking avast!.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: bob3160 on September 24, 2005, 10:23:09 PM
http://www.download.com/Avast-Home-Edition/3640-2239_4-10375520.html
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Lisandro on September 24, 2005, 10:55:28 PM
In my opinion MERCHANDISE/ADVERTISEMENT do all the work  :)
I follow this...
Only independent and NON COMMERCIAL reviews get my atention now. I'm tired to read paid material.
But, after all, AVG has all the time a better press that avast!
It's a pity, it's a shame. But, who does believe in everything that reads?  ;D
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on September 25, 2005, 12:44:52 AM
I am avast!'s fans!!! I love every aspect of avast! I just hope that more people will recognize that avast! is better than AVG in the future. But there is only one thing I want to know; how can I schedule a boot scan or scan?
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: DavidR on September 25, 2005, 12:46:57 AM
If you have XP or Win2k, you could enable a boot time scan.
Try the, schedule boot-time scan in avast's menu (or try the 'Schedule Boot-Time Scan' using RejZoR's AEC avast! External Control Tool (http://www.excessive-software.eu.tt/)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/for-dwr/boottime.jpg)
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on September 25, 2005, 01:17:03 AM
Thanks. With the help from avast! External Control, avast! is much more configurable than AVG. But it also makes me moe disappointed...why such a good program cannot beat down AVG, at least the Free Edition...
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: TAP on September 25, 2005, 06:22:36 AM
I think most reviewers are not antivirus specialist so sometimes they don't really know what they're talk about. For example, they say AVG Free has auto update feature but in fact, AVG Free has no real auto update feature at all.

In my opinion, at the first glance, AVG Free looks good & promising than avast! Home Edition, AVG Free has plain interface that looks more professional than default skin of avast! Home Edition. Otherwise, I think AVG is more popular, more recognized brand than avast! (or even more recognized than NOD32, Kaspersky, Panda, Sophos), when people think about free antivirus so AVG comes first.

If I'm not wrong, I think AVG Free is the first free antivirus available for home users and AVAST32, AntiVir or CA InoculateIT came second.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: szc on September 25, 2005, 02:45:17 PM
...AVG Free has plain interface that looks more professional than default skin of avast! Home Edition...

AVG has everything but professional GUI. It is unbelievable ugly, with such a ugly icons, like some child drew them... it reminds me of all those ancient applications for Windows 3.11. That can not be called professional in any way.

However, if you want to name one really professional looking application, then you have to think of BitDefender. I also think, I offered few professional, clean looking skins. I still think that avast! should have something like that as it's default skin. I am not saying it has to be, or I want it to be, one of those skins I made... no way.. it has to come from Alwil's designer, but I believe they have to clear with themselves once for all, that antivirus can not, and should not have a "sound-player" looking skin as it's default one if they want people to take avast! as more serious antivirus program.

I don't know what needs to be done to change that, because I see so many people complain out there...  :-\ Something needs to be done asap.

Regards,
Sasha

Here are just few I made trying to move avast! away from those "gamey" skins and give it a slight professional touch:

(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7333/previewpros6kk.jpg)
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on September 25, 2005, 05:12:24 PM
^_^ Yes. The AVG interface is very ugly. It makes me hard to believe that AVG can become popular to people.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on September 25, 2005, 05:13:52 PM
Here are just few I made trying to move avast! away from those "gamey" skins and give it a slight professional touch:

(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7333/previewpros6kk.jpg)

These interfaces look very impressive. Where can I get them?
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: DavidR on September 25, 2005, 05:22:02 PM
Run the simple user interface and from the menu, select, Select Skin and then Get More Skins from our www. server.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Lisandro on September 26, 2005, 02:47:45 AM
In my opinion, at the first glance, AVG Free looks good & promising than avast! Home Edition
Only at first glance. AVG is pretty poor. You can't configure anything. It's a closed box.
Thanks God I could get free from it and discover avast.
Only at first glance. Right now I see no advantage on AVG. Maybe detectetion from time to time.

AVG Free has plain interface that looks more professional than default skin of avast! Home Edition.
Never. AVG interface is very poor, block and icons are just ridiculous simple and NOT professional at all.
Pleople who say or think that do not understand about interface or are not being fair.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on September 26, 2005, 03:16:37 AM
I just think AVG's interface is very ugly. I do not know how good its detection rate is. I just know that it has been well-known as the best free antivirus all over the world.

Before 2 years ago, I was looking for a free antivirus program on Download.com . But I did not see AVG Free Edition available on Download.com . Instead, I saw a free antivirus program called avast! Home Edition on Download.com . I was wondering if it was a program bundled with spyware and trojan. But I finally gave it a try and have been impressive with it. If AVG Free Edition had been available on Download.com that day, I would have installed it. ;D

However, I would switch to avast! later even if I had AVG installed. Because AVG's interface has been unacceptable, it keeps me away from opening and using that.  :-[
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Umath on September 26, 2005, 03:17:52 AM
The reason why I like Sasha's skins is that they don't only look good but are sorted well and functional.  I think Avast should use one of Sasha's skins as default one.

Personally, I am using the top blue one.  Thanx, Sasha.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: szc on September 26, 2005, 03:30:05 AM
Thanks my friend, I appreciate your opinion and nice words. Sure, I'm trying and giving my best to make those skins look nice and clean. Not all avast! users like skins, and I also understand those users too... some people like plain look and that's how it is. That's the main reason I also made few very simple skins like Flat'n'Simple and Corporate...

I guess something for everyone...  ;D

Cheers !
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on September 26, 2005, 04:21:07 AM
sorry if this may seem like spam but i have to express my self:
Grisoft AVG skin is really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really unprofessional looking and UGLY

tim
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on September 26, 2005, 07:36:33 AM
sorry if this may seem like spam but i have to express my self:
Grisoft AVG skin is really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really unprofessional looking and UGLY

tim

I totally agree with you. I hope that "Skinnable" can be one of avast!'s selling points  :D
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Umath on September 26, 2005, 11:12:38 PM
Thanks my friend, I appreciate your opinion and nice words. Sure, I'm trying and giving my best to make those skins look nice and clean. Not all avast! users like skins, and I also understand those users too... some people like plain look and that's how it is. That's the main reason I also made few very simple skins like Flat'n'Simple and Corporate...

I guess something for everyone...  ;D

Cheers !

Thanx.  I'll try them.  Nice to have varieties and options, which is the main reason I am using Avast!
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: StopMe on September 27, 2005, 03:28:12 AM
sorry if this may seem like spam but i have to express my self:
Grisoft AVG skin is really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really unprofessional looking and UGLY

tim

Remember you guys, the performance of the antivirus in action is the Key. ;D
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Lisandro on September 27, 2005, 03:39:12 AM
Remember you guys, the performance of the antivirus in action is the Key. ;D
Not only that... detection, configuration hability, resources, features, price  ;D
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on September 27, 2005, 04:48:04 PM
Remember you guys, the performance of the antivirus in action is the Key. ;D
Not only that... detection, configuration hability, resources, features, price  ;D

I know that avast! has better configuration, low resource usage, and more feature. But, does avast! really have a better detection rate than AVG?
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Spyros on September 27, 2005, 05:15:09 PM
I know that avast! has better configuration, low resource usage, and more feature. But, does avast! really have a better detection rate than AVG?
Yes, it does. Check here for a start (see the latest -August- results) : http://www.av-comparatives.org/
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: DavidR on September 27, 2005, 05:26:41 PM
I left AVG for avast and it found some viruses living quite happily under AVG for some time. That was obviously some time ago but even now avast's detections are better than AVG. It also provides a more configurable solution not to mention additional scanning providers.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Lisandro on September 27, 2005, 05:48:27 PM
I know that avast! has better configuration, low resource usage, and more feature. But, does avast! really have a better detection rate than AVG?
I doubt that avast! detection is really that better than AVG. All the times, in real world, that I found avast! false positives or worse, lack of detection, AVG did not fail never  :-\

Yes, it does. Check here for a start (see the latest -August- results) : http://www.av-comparatives.org/
I'm not so sure...

But even now avast's detections are better than AVG.
I'm not so sure...
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: DavidR on September 27, 2005, 06:26:36 PM
Yes, it does. Check here for a start (see the latest -August- results) : http://www.av-comparatives.org/
I'm not so sure...
Whilst we all know what AV reviews and tests are like, in the link Spyros gave you can check over a longer period and that would seem to confirm avast is better than AVG

But even now avast's detections are better than AVG.
I'm not so sure...
Even if there close or even, then the functionality would have to sway users in favour of avast!
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Lisandro on September 27, 2005, 07:11:13 PM
Even if there close or even, then the functionality would have to sway users in favour of avast!
I wish I could write this... when you get infected you become more cautious on your affirmations.
I'm not saying that avast! is not good... but detection is far from perfect. AVG never let me with a second, completely right, opinion.
Functionality I won't discuss, avast! is far far superior.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: TAP on September 28, 2005, 06:13:20 AM
I think now Alwil should mainly focus on improving the avast! detection rates both overall detection (Zoo) and some kind of proactive detection or keep on faster response when something goes ITW, and last but not least, reduce the false positives.

Long time ago, as far as I saw NOD32 had quite low overall detection rates but it has been improved, improved and improved and now NOD32 is probably one of the best antivirus out there, so what about avast!? we don't want to see AVG beats avast! some day, lots of skins and nice features can't help us safer...   ::) ::) ::) ::)

I hope and also still believe that avast! can be better than where it is today.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: szc on September 28, 2005, 12:28:07 PM
...lots of skins and nice features can't help us safer...   ::) ::) ::) ::)...

I really don't see where are you aiming with this...  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)

Skins are not an issue here... Of course it's better if people can have a multiple choice. AVG don't offer such a thing, not even any other AV out there.

And why you keep "sticking" this to Alwil ? Alwil didn't lose their time making skins... They are working hard on their products. I myself, and few others were busy making those skins, Alwil has other responsibilities and having all those skins in the skin download section, doesn't make avast! any weaker. They can remove all those skins from download section, and avast! will be still the same... You also mentioned lots of nice features... of course there are lots of useful features. That's what makes avast! one of the best antiviruses out there. And Nod32 best antivirus ? I don't think so, read some recent reviews out there...  ;)
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: TAP on September 28, 2005, 03:33:09 PM
Hey, don't get me wrong, :) I have nothing against skins.

All I wanted to say is, avast! already features many unique/useful features that something you can't find in other AVs, so now it's time to improving the detection rates to make avast! better, better and better and avast! will truly be the unique antivirus.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: szc on September 28, 2005, 03:51:54 PM
Exactly, but I don't think skins and some other wonderful additional features should ever be mentioned as obstacle for improving avast!

I still believe Alwil works hard to make avast! even better... of course there is always room for improvement, like it's the case with every other program out there... But, I just wanted to point your attention to that issue. I didn't say you (or anyone else) are not allowed to dislike skins. Of course, you can dislike them, that's your right and I'm not arguing about that at all. I just said, skins and other additional bells and whistles are not in the Alwil's way to improve everything that can be improved. They don't bother with skins that much any more... if some of us makes something sometimes, they just test it and upload it to their server... that's all. They won't lose any significant time on uploading skins, so I believe they still have enough time to fight with other issues inside their program.

Regards !
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Lisandro on September 28, 2005, 05:14:40 PM
I just said, skins and other additional bells and whistles are not in the Alwil's way to improve everything that can be improved.
As far we could know, the users help on forums taking from them the duty of the support.
Hope, like you, they put time to improve avast! that, for sure, could be better.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: darkparrot on September 28, 2005, 11:51:25 PM
I can stand skins, so I just use the generic avast window.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on September 29, 2005, 03:58:49 AM
Does skin make the interface have more configuration? I mean, does avast! Home Edition have more configuration if its skin is changed?
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: szc on September 29, 2005, 01:21:37 PM
No, not at all. Skin are just skins and they help your avast! Graphical User Interface looks more user friendly... of course you'll find some skin easier to navigate through, and some will be more difficult, but as long as you have all those different skins offered as an option, you're covered... so you can find whatever looks best for you.

Again, skins doesn't cut your avast! efficiency in any way, nor they improve it in any way...
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on October 04, 2005, 11:49:44 PM
There is only thing I feel that AVG is superior than Avast. AVG has several methods used to detect known and unknown virus.

The following is quoted from http://www.grisoft.com

Quote
Detection methods:

Efficiency in detecting infected files is guaranteed by using a combination of different detection levels. Before the check itself, the file is pre-processed, which involves removing any parts unnecessary for virus analysis. A quick scanning process is achieved by this technique.

    *
      Known virus detection

      This is the simplest technique in which files are checked for the presence of virus identifiers (a sequence of bytes characteristic for an exact virus). Based on this kind of detection, detailed analysis is performed to identify the exact infection.
    *
      Generic detection

      This is a more common method for the detection of known viruses and is used to determine new variants of known viruses. If no known virus is identified, generic detection looks for sequences within the file typical for certain viruses. Such sequences usually don't change within the virus when it is modified, even if the behavior of the new variant is different. This method is effective especially in the detection of macro-viruses and script-viruses.
    *
      Heuristic analysis

      The last method for detecting viruses (where previously mentioned methods were not successful) is Heuristic analysis. Its skillfulness lies in its capacity to (in some cases) detect a virus which is not included in the internal virus database. During Heuristic Analysis, two methods are used:
          o Static Heuristic analysis - looking for suspicious data constructions
          o Dynamic Heuristic analysis - code emulation: this means the file is started inside the protected environment of a virtual computer inside AVG Anti-Virus. The file is analyzed for actions typical for viruses. An example being an application which when run looks for other executable files in order to modify them.
    *
      Integrity Check

      Besides the above mentioned detection methods, AVG Anti-Virus also stores information about changes in defined executable files on a fixed disk. This gives AVG Anti-Virus the option of detecting suspicious changes and helps to heal infected files.

I am surprised that a free product provides so much detection methods just like other commercial products do. Although AVG has several detection methods, AVG's detection rate cannot beat down avast! :P It is very ironic.  ;D

I know that avast! will not use Heuristic analysis except for Email scanning, which is not really "Heuristic analysis" in comparison to other products. Nevertheless, I hope that avast! can become one of the successful antivirus company in the future.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on October 04, 2005, 11:54:19 PM
AVG also has a feature called integrity checking, which monitors for changes to scanned files. It can enable faster scanning and improves healing of some damaged files. I think it is a really good one.  :D

I know that NOD32 and Kaspersky 6.0 also have this feature to speed up the scanning process. Has avast! considered to add it to both Home and Pro Edition in the future?

And does that mean AVG! uses lower resource, or runs faster, or scans faster than avast!?
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: bob3160 on October 05, 2005, 12:14:39 AM
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Nevertheless, I hope that avast! can become one of the successful antivirus company in the future.
Before you make statement's like that, better get all your facts straight.
If you think AVG is better, then why not use it?
Most of us have been that rout and are EX  AVG, Norton, McAfee, etc, etc users.
We got tired of having our computers taken over and slowed down by the so called Big Ones.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on October 05, 2005, 07:08:22 PM
If you think AVG is better, then why not use it?

I never think that AVG is better than avast! But, it looks better than avast!, according to other users who are currently using them and the population.
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: darth.mikey on October 05, 2005, 07:12:19 PM
I never think that AVG is better than avast! But, it looks better than avast!, according to other users who are currently using them and the population.

Looks better?When was the last time you or that other people had your eyesight checked(tha's a joke BTW)?  ;D
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Thomas123 on October 05, 2005, 11:35:23 PM
I never think that AVG is better than avast! But, it looks better than avast!, according to other users who are currently using them and the population.

Looks better?When was the last time you or that other people had your eyesight checked(tha's a joke BTW)?  ;D

Oh. I used the wrong word. I should have said, "People think that AVG is a perfect product as a free antivirus. But they never know this world has a better one out here, avast!"
Title: Re: Why Grisoft AVG?
Post by: Yinyang4evry1 on October 06, 2005, 04:30:40 AM
i was reading this side of the page and it , though it's not, seems like an argument, lol  ;D
but hmmm
i was playing a online video game and the "big" antiviruses kept giving me alerts that weren't needed
it froze up my browser and while the browser was frozen i got killed by someone else in the game
I wanted a perfect file, too! :'( 8)
but thats just an example....

tim ;)