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Title: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 23, 2005, 12:02:11 AM
Hello avast webforum users,

We read about safer browsers here. There is a new star on the firmament, a new browser like FF but a special socializing, downloading kind of browser with special RSS features, bookmarking features etc, Read here:
http://www.decrem.com/bart/2005/10/flock-firefox-and-open-source/
Some say that the FF browser will be hit towards the end of the year by special spyware written for the Mozilla browser.
If you cannot wait to try out FLOCK: http://flock.com/developer/
Who has experience with FLOCK?

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: darkparrot on October 23, 2005, 04:52:38 AM
I am going to give it a few months and see how it does before I install it on my machine. Though I am very picky about what I install anyways.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Inu-Ya on October 23, 2005, 04:57:44 AM
Hello avast webforum users,

We read about safer browsers here. There is a new star on the firmament, a new browser like FF but a special socializing, downloading kind of browser with special RSS features, bookmarking features etc, Read here:
http://www.decrem.com/bart/2005/10/flock-firefox-and-open-source/
Some say that the FF browser will be hit towards the end of the year by special spyware written for the Mozilla browser.
If you cannot wait to try out FLOCK: http://flock.com/developer/
Who has experience with FLOCK?

polonus
So, this is a browser that is in testing? Cool, However I'll try it out. I see how it is. Looks pretty old and simple.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on October 23, 2005, 05:43:11 PM
Polonus,

I have installed "Flock" and have had no problems with it crashing or rendering sites. So Far it looks to be a rather interesting browser. Just thought I would let you know.  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 24, 2005, 01:12:16 AM
Hi my friend neal63,

I write this to you inside Flock Developer Preview,

I have installed the Adblock there, hope I can install the Dr Web hyperlink there soon, somebody make it for this browser, or I give it a try.

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 24, 2005, 11:27:16 PM
Hello Flockers,

We are trying to bring Dr. Web plug-in to the Flock browser for extra security. Adblock and NoScript is already ported. In the options you have good possibilities to tweak Flock 0.5pre to be safer still. Polonus is on security for Flock. Lets see what an open sociable browser needs, Flock specially for blogging and feeds needs? But for the heavy work Firefox with the preferenches toolbar.  We will see what the Flock browser will develop to?

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on October 25, 2005, 12:05:16 AM
Just want to mention that I am still using "Flock" as my primary browser in everything I am doing. Haven't had any crashes or problems as of yet with this developers version. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I believe it definitely has good possibilities.  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: crofty59 on October 26, 2005, 09:17:05 AM
Yes i have been tryting Flock off and on now for a couple of days.
I like it.

Just wondering how you would add Flock to Avast so that it worked with Web Shield.

I know I read once here how to add a browser but I have searched but cannot find it

I am not very literate with computers, but I try.

If this is off topic sorry.
Cheers.   ;)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 27, 2005, 11:10:22 PM
Hi crofty59,

It is a bit like in FF, see the instruction for this browser on the Avast page. For Flock go to options, then to general and then to connection settings and then you know what to do.

For a pick of new ported extensions go to: http://ehoffmann.blogsome.com/200

Firefox and Flock in all safety and malware free,

your anti-malware friend,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Mastertech on October 28, 2005, 04:16:53 AM
This browser is all hype. How many people really use: Flickr, Technorati and del.icio.us? The google toolbar has built-in blogging not that anyone really uses those features either. Considering it is based on Firefox, it's security is the same. Firefox Security Vulnerabilities. (http://secunia.com/product/4227/)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on October 28, 2005, 10:42:02 AM
I can't understand your vehement anti-Firefox attitude, Mastertech. Not because of security issues: I agree MS have done a good job of securing IE under XP SP2. The reason is that you have the W3C validation logo on your own excellent web pages. You must therefore believe in standards for web page code. Yet you must know that IE is not standard compliant. Write a web page in W3C HTML ot with a standards compliant program like Dreamweaver, and the page often doesn't display correctly in IE: you have to add work-arounds for the IE bugs.

I see on your own forum page you go on at length about how Firefox does not render IE pages correctly. Surely there's a conflict here. IE does not render pages correctly because they use non-standard IE features. Other standards-compliant browsers render well written, standards-compliant pages (like your own) perfectly well. It is only amateurish pages written without cross platform testing that do not display correctly.

Everybody should get at least one standards-compliant browser and use it: Firefox, Opera, Flock. See what web pages look like with a standards-compliant browser, check that your own pages render correctly. The more people that use a standards-compliant browser, the more pressure MS will come under to comply with the W3C standards.

Give Flock a go, if not Firefox or the excellent new free Opera!

Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Mastertech on October 28, 2005, 01:32:17 PM
I am telling you Frank I don't speak in riddles. I don't have a problem with Firefox, it is a decent web browser. I do have a BIG problem with Firefox evangelists who outright are deceptive and lie to get people to use Firefox. I find pages weekly that do not render right in any browser except IE or one of it's mods like Avant. I don't have time for that. I personally use Opera 50% of the time but it chokes on pages weekly. This is unacceptable and thus cannot be recommended.

I make this clear on my page:

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If you choose to use or recommend Firefox please understand and explain its limitations


You guys want to go fight Microsoft have fun. I am not here to give advice based on some personal animosity towards Microsoft. I am here to give advice that works. I understand why pages do and do not render properly. People really don't care. They only care if the page renders correctly.

FYI I write pages standards compliant so they work in all browsers including IE.

Firefox evangelists hate this page: Web Sites That Don't Work Well With Firefox (http://www.computergripes.com/firefoxsites.html)

Guess what get over it, it is the truth.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 28, 2005, 03:51:52 PM
Hello Mastertech,

- Why you always have to step in to defend IE and Microsoft against, yes against what? Everybody like to use IE, but there are certain aspects of it, that does not please some, and goes well with every "power user". That is why there are browsers like Opera, luckily now ad free, and of course Firefox and the new "hype"as you call it: Flock.

- How can you tell these things about a browser that is just a developer's release, and has very intelligent and very able coders backing it. Flock is building on the shoulders of FF,
how can FF be Okay, and Flock cannot. It is just a hype, and maybe you hope it will soon blow over. Some even say the builders were drunk most of the time while building this browser. Why they use this alandering techniques against a couple of crafty young programmers in CaliforniA.

- Oh I know RSS is a hype, podcasting is a hype, AdSense may be a hype because it is Google's, well ActiveX was a hype too, but crawled out of the sandbox all the time. Flock, they are taking aboard the best JavaScripters around. But my hairs are standing up, when I am doing my Flock developing, and look into my JS control for errors, and bending of rules.

- You know what is one of IE's coders best quality? Yes bending the rules to please as large a public as possible, webmaster, developer and end-user alike. It is as with cooks, many fingers in the pot, in this case the code.. And then it is very cheap to say that others who abide by the majority of standards, are not doing it right because this code sauce is not giving the right results. Every browser has holes. And luckily for the Redmond boys some of them were not found up as until to-day. Open Software is always more vulnerable because everybody is invited to find things in order to improve it.

- Then again Frank does not speak in riddles, and I value his knowledge of Java and scripting very much.

- We are people who have read all the Deitel and Deitel, and not only keep it on the bookshelf. We have made dictionairies of weak cgi scripting to use in browser like applications to establish for ourselves what lousy code is used around.

- Well in an ideal world your story is different, but this is not. And again I would like to see IE gives users the possibilties to do with the browser what the preference bar does for FF and Flock. Can you change color code to render a page as you like it, and not as the webmaster or adman wants it to show? No. Can you build filters to filter webbugs from pixel to nothingness. No, again. I would not like to propagate these things, if I was to follow that policy. Chained coding, surf with your hands on your back. We decide what is good for you. What is arrogance??? Look here:
http://secunia.com/search/?search=Internet+Explorer&w=0greets, and that is just a historical survey.

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on October 28, 2005, 03:53:08 PM
Pages that render [Edit: incorrectly] in Firefox are rare, and a good webdesigner should write code that works in all browsers, as you do yourself.

The Web Standard code you support on your site is not implemented correctly by IE:

http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html

My own website contains a work-around for a known bug, so I also understand why pages do and don't render correctly.

I have no problem with Microsoft.

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It's the truth.

Is there such a thing as absolute truth?



Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Mastertech on October 28, 2005, 04:37:59 PM
Polonus, try not writing everything with a propagandist twist and I will have no reason to respond.

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We read about safer browsers here.

What does that comment have to do with asking people to try Flock? It has nothing but to try and tell people that Flock is "safer" then other browsers = Propaganda.

AvantBrowser has RSS support but I don't see everyone begging for it. People care about a few things. Pop-up Blocking, Tabbed Browsing and integrated search. The features in Flock no one outside the evangelists really care about.

Seriously,
Do you see millions of people complaining web browsers do not have: Flickr, Technorati, del.icio.us, podcasting, blogging support or even RSS? No.

The niche people that care about podcasts use iTunes or another third party podcasting app.

Another stupid thing about Flock is it renames Bookmarks to Favorites? That makes no sense.

Both of your comments about everything come from an idealist's perspective. I'm a realist.

Here is a tip: End users don't care about how or why a page was coded. They only care how it renders and functions. Spreading propaganda to get users to use a certain browser to make YOUR life easier is dishonest.

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Is there such a thing as absolute truth?
What are you Socrates now? Read the link (http://www.computergripes.com/firefoxsites.html).

Why do you guys go into long offtopic rants and always redirect the conversation?
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Inu-Ya on October 28, 2005, 04:47:51 PM
I'm back! I like Flock more then I do FireFox. However, I still use FireFox for the mean time cause I'm awaiting on more skins to be supported. I'm a Maxthon users but I like messing around with other browsers.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on October 28, 2005, 06:40:59 PM
Well I will add my opinion of things being discussed here. I chose, was not forced to try the new browser "flock". I personally like it. It does render pages for me just fine. Also it recognizes a codec that allows a user to listen to streaming music etc. I chose not to use Apple Quick Time plugin for Firefox, Mozilla etc for reasons of my own. Now with this choice located at http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alternative.htm
I found that "Flock" likes it, no problems using this codec.
   The main discussion started in this thread was "Here is a new browser called "flock", has anyone else tried it. That's what the topic started off as. All this other pro and con stuff concerning "flock" vs. I.E. or Microsoft is useless IMO. Most Internet users out of Ignorance (lack of knowledge), do not care about W3C standards, don't even know what they are. They just want to be able to view web pages with the least amount of problems. Lack of problems viewing things with MOST people is what sells a product. They are not technically inclined, most will state they don't want to be that way. So if anyone in this thread is employed/has been employed by Microsoft that doesn't impress anyone if this should be the case?
    For an individual to "imply", suggest they are all knowing compared to the norm of the forum here is senseless. Once again this topic was all about "flock", it's availability to the general public and if anyone else other than the author of this thread had used it or not.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on October 28, 2005, 06:59:42 PM
[Edit: Re thread before last one:] Trying to lock people into using IE by talking nonsense about 15% of web pages not rendering properly is equally propaganda, and a contradictory attitude from somebody who has taken care to make their own web page non-browser dependent.

Propaganda against alternative browsers is as bad as any propaganda for them.

I've been using an alternative browser for a year or so, and can count the pages that don't render on the fingers of, well, two fingers.

I'm being honest about it: IE doesn't support web standards, the standards which you support by having the W3C logo on your pages. You can't have it both ways, either you support the standards or you don't. IE's bugs make my life harder, but that's not why I recommend an alternative browser. I recommend an alternative browser because I want to see all browsers render all pages correctly.

I'm not interested in your link. There is no absolute truth, except in your world Mastertech. The truth according to Mastertech. Here endeth the lesson.

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Why do you guys go into long offtopic rants and always redirect the conversation?

You came to this thread to redirect it to one of your personal hobby-horses, i.e. Firefox.

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This browser is all hype. How many people really use: Flickr, Technorati and del.icio.us? The google toolbar has built-in blogging not that anyone really uses those features either. Considering it is based on Firefox, it's security is the same. Firefox Security Vulnerabilities.

Neal, I apologise for the diversion. I brought up W3C as an argument to support the use of a browser like Flock.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 28, 2005, 10:09:04 PM
Hi neal63,

I agree with you that most common users of browsers are not interested in what kind of browser they use. Habitual users just want a click a hyperlink and this must function. What is the story behind IE coming to its present position, does not interest most.
How the browser war was won against Netscape.
A more basic thing is that I appreciate it I have the possibility to do with a browser what I like. That is also a reason. Only these kind of programs (this kind of free open code open source software) you can "reverse engineer", build into the browser what you like, develop new things for. I like for instance in Flock that there is a program FF to Flock where you can transfer add-ons for Firefox to Flock. I did it with CookieCuller that is now working in Flock.
I want a browser that I can code in such a way that I can keep out of my browser who and what I want to keep out, cookie, ad, webbug, tunneling, tracking etc. And I like to invite in my (http://my) browser what I want: RSS, streaming media, blogging, socializing, StumbleUpon, the scanning I allow (scanner add-ons and plug-ins). If you give all that up, because of functionality and over-bloatedness, that is the freedom of those that do not want to think further. I will feel very sorry if the free open software will disappear, because of fixed code.

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on October 28, 2005, 10:28:40 PM
F.W. Frank and others,

Thank You. No apology needed. My comments were intended for other than you folks. I am sure you understand.  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Mastertech on October 29, 2005, 01:45:29 AM
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Trying to lock people into using IE by talking nonsense about 15% of web pages not rendering properly is equally propaganda, and a contradictory attitude from somebody who has taken care to make their own web page non-browser dependent.
No it is a fact. Lots of pages do not render correctly. How my page is coded does not change this fact.

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Propaganda against alternative browsers is as bad as any propaganda for them.
Propaganda is bad either way. Informing people is not.

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I've been using an alternative browser for a year or so, and can count the pages that don't render on the fingers of, well, two fingers.
Then you don't go to many pages. Here are some examples that don't work with Firefox v1.0.7:

Images do not show:
http://www.aaceupwardbound.org/ (http://www.aaceupwardbound.org/)

Menus do not work right:
http://www.dfi.com.tw/index_us_noflash.jsp?SITE=NA (http://www.dfi.com.tw/index_us_noflash.jsp?SITE=NA)

This page completely crashes Firefox:
http://www.jordans-online.co.uk/usedcars.aspx (http://www.jordans-online.co.uk/usedcars.aspx)

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I'm not interested in your link.
Ignore facts, it is the only way you can continue the argument.

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You came to this thread to redirect it to one of your personal hobby-horses, i.e. Firefox.
I came to this thread because Polonus insists upon spreading misinformation. Again what does "We read about safer browsers here" have to do with Flock?
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Mastertech on October 29, 2005, 01:52:48 AM
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The main discussion started in this thread was "Here is a new browser called "flock", has anyone else tried it. That's what the topic started off as.
I am begining to think I am the only one noticing how Polonus injects BS into all his posts to push his anti-Microsoft stance.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on October 29, 2005, 02:57:19 AM
"Ignore facts, it is the only way you can continue the argument."?. Is this what you seem to relish on is arguments? Your so called facts are not necessarily true facts to others, just from your perspective. You come into the forum this month like "gang busters", seem to get into as you call them "arguments" and imply that you and only your opinion (not facts) are the only "politically correct" ones. You talk about another member spreading BS here in the forum, to me thats on the verge of flaming if not flaming. I believe you need to take a long look at some of what your saying when you post and really realize that your statements while possibly being true to you are not necessarily the only option of others here.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Mastertech on October 29, 2005, 03:16:17 AM
No Neal I backup what I say with links and proof. There is nothing politically correct about computers, computers a pure logic.

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talk about another member spreading BS here in the forum, to me thats on the verge of flaming if not flaming.
No comments like this are BS: "We read about safer browsers here" <-Why is this comment in a topic about Flock or "I want a browser that I can code in such a way that I can keep out of my browser who and what I want to keep out, cookie, ad, webbug, tunneling, tracking etc" <-You can do this with any browser. Misinforming end users is propaganda and BS. It is one thing not liking Microsoft or IE, it is another thing making things up to promote your point of view.

The only people continuing to argue against my points are those who either are A. Proven Wrong or B. Refuse to test or provide proof of their claims.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on October 29, 2005, 03:52:33 AM
You seem to miss my point or are you just evading my previous question:
"Is this what you seem to relish on is arguments"? Now, would you like to answer that or go into your evasion mode? I am not going to waste any more of my time discussing what my opinion of this senseless fillibustering your enjoying.
     You obviously think that your opinions are the only correct ones, no one is going to question them, and "I wonder" if your so conceited that you can't see the forest for the trees? You continue on at your little hearts desire and see what it will accomplish for you. End of my discussion concerning you as your now put into my Delete mode.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Mastertech on October 29, 2005, 04:15:25 AM
Neal, I like to give people correct, honest information that can be tested or backed up with sources. They are not opinions. The FACT that you keep trying to say they are is propaganda. What I see you guys do is be unable to separate your personal feelings for Microsoft or whatever else is on your agenda from the facts. You don't analyze - you assume, misinterpret, jump to conclusions and misinform.

As for arguments, they are necessary when people do not understand something.

Lets get some other FACTS straight that Frank has tried to manipulate;

My Opinion:
Firefox is a decent Web Browser but I cannot stand the evangelists and those who recommend it as a spyware solution.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on October 29, 2005, 05:17:09 AM
Neal,
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"Ignore facts, it is the only way you can continue the argument."?. Is this what you seem to relish on is arguments?
Mastertech at least has facts. Most of your stuff is fiction or old info. As far as argument's go, I can't point out many that you've started especially when you think you've got some help.
I don't understand why all this talent is being wasted on arguments instead of using all this knowledge helping those that are in need of help ???
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on October 29, 2005, 05:21:58 AM
This is the only response you will get from me. I have written you off as I would a "sugar ant". I know they exist, that they must have some sort of purposefull reason for existence. In your case I haven't figured out why your around. Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Inu-Ya on October 29, 2005, 06:16:26 AM
Stop fighting over such a stupid topic. Gzzz.... Just stop it you two. Go on in life and forget about it  :-\
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: galooma on October 29, 2005, 06:20:38 AM
tryin to get another forum shut down bob?
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on October 29, 2005, 06:29:08 AM
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tryin to get another forum shut down bob?
Before opening your mouth, please get your facts straight.  Thanks :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: galooma on October 29, 2005, 06:32:24 AM
I might not say much but I see all the daggers your`e throwing.  ;)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on October 29, 2005, 06:34:36 AM
No daggers, just facts. ;D
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Mastertech on October 29, 2005, 06:45:26 AM
 :) ;)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: galooma on October 29, 2005, 06:46:47 AM
makings of a good moderator there :D
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Inu-Ya on October 29, 2005, 06:56:08 AM
Bob has been here for awhile so my guess is that he would not by any means to try to get the site put down. Hes to nice anyway  ::) I can't blame him for what he does. I and everyone else lives a good life and those two who were fighting well... thats just stupid fighting over such a thing  :-\
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 29, 2005, 01:41:15 PM
Hello Inu-Ya,

What I cannot seem to grasp is why people like Mastertech, who must know, and bob3160, who must have heard this too, always beat about the bush when the opposition open software closed software is concerned. Can one do the same with the one as with the other? In that case there would not be any reason for Flock.
Maybe Neal, FwF, and I do not know what we are talking about. Or because we like to have the code to work upon makes us sort of heretics. Why is there for instance AJAX developed, a language that is very basic for Flock site application, webmail and such, and MS has to launch their own version coming fall?
The reasons for this Mastertech and bob3160 never even touch, they just like to use it without further ado.

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: DavidR on October 29, 2005, 03:30:36 PM
Providing links to pages that don't display as intended in firefox or opera or any other alternative browser doesn't mean that it is the fault of the browser.

That is too simplistic an answer, you have to identify the cause, if it non-compliance with standards (using proprietary html tags, etc.) in the coding of pages then browser that conform to standards will obviously not display it in the same way as the browser that doesn't comply with standards yet understands the proprietary coding. If that is not the issue then yes it is the fault of the browser, but first you have to identify that.

So simply saying the browser is at fault because it doesn't display the page as the designer intended. I designed a number of web sites and one of the biggest hassles was cross browser support and the minor differences in display to the major failures in display.

IE is tolerant to errors and sloppy coding such as failing to put in a closure tag, especially when this is in a table, IE assumes a closure prior to the next opening tag. So there are ties when IE helps with poor coding and displays it as the designer expected and sometimes it makes a right hash of it in trying to guess what was intended.

However, standards compliant browsers don't make this adjustment and attempt to display the page exactly as coded, so tables, columns, etc. would break if incorrectly coded until the designer found the error.

The use of a standards compliant validation program should point out these errors and hopefully give a better cross browser support. But it does mean extra time in development. When IE had in the high 9x% share of the browser market, this seemed to be a waste of time and effort. Now with that share dropping it is in the interests of companies not to restrict access to their web sites and insist on standards compliance from their developer/s. This would ensure better cross browser support.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: szc on October 29, 2005, 03:53:44 PM
tryin to get another forum shut down bob?

No he is not trying anything and stop telling that... you need to know everything to be able to judge.

Mastertech is trying to "open" some eyes and it's not going to work in this forum... as long as we have all those "all-knowing" brains that even don't wanna listen and try to admit when they are wrong... people, why is so hard to notice that Mastertech is a walking encyclopedia ? Is it so hard to understand few things ?

I am sick and tired of all those Pro-Firefox and anti-Microsoft and anti-IE stories... try to tweak some things inside your OS, rather than bashing everything that's Microsoft related. I also believe that these forums are not meant for those topics at all.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 29, 2005, 04:31:24 PM
Hello S.Z. Craftec,

We have listened here very carefully to what Mastertech has to tell us, and we are the first ones to implement some of the things he says. The discussion on obsolete paradigm and myths is refreshing, and that is of course taken over in our attitudes. But I will never spell my required  insights as the gospel. I like to hear argument pro and contra and then make up my own mind. We have to unite and not divide.
If everybody agrees in a discussion, you cannot get any further. When at the end of the line everybody agrees on some lessons learned, then we have achieved far more. I like to learn new insights, also those of Mastertech, and I want to help security further. So I will always treat other people with due respect  ;). Try Flock and see for yourself.

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: szc on October 29, 2005, 04:49:29 PM
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 I like to hear argument pro and contra and then make up my own mind. We have to unite and not divide.
If everybody agrees in a discussion, you cannot get any further. When at the end of the line everybody agrees on some lessons learned, then we have achieved far more. I like to learn new insights, also those of Mastertech, and I want to help security further. So I will always treat other people with due respect  ;). Try Flock and see for yourself.

greets,

polonus

Hi Polonus,

Exactly, and that is my point to. We need to work as a team, and not trying to prove one to another who is right and who is wrong. It's not a good picture for new members at all. What will they think of us ? If they see a group of forum regulars, evangelists or call us whatever you want, is arguing and constantly "pinching" each other, especially arguing about those "touchy" computer security related things, they could easily get an impression that we have no clue what we are talking about... will they ask for our opinion next time when they come in here asking for a help ? I don't think so... all they could think is that we alone have no clue what we are talking about. There are much nicer ways of discussing things than throwing the ball in each other's yard... and worst of all, throwing the ball right into other side's face. That's not a solution IMHO...

All I'm saying, it's obvious that Mastertech knows his business. Let's not throw his talents away... ok, maybe he needs to bring that stuff up some other way, somehow so people won't take it as "I know and you people have no clue", but I see exactly the same arguments from the other side as well... let's try to communicate like adults, I am sure we all can lear a lot from each other. NO ONE knows everything, and if we stick together, we all will learn much more than we know right now.

Cheers !

EDIT: Btw, that picture in your attachment... it looks much more like racoon than like fox  ;D  ;D  ;D
(http://www.excitementsportfishing.com/images/gallery/ricardo-racoon-450.jpg)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on October 29, 2005, 05:51:57 PM
Quote
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I'm not interested in your link.
Ignore facts, it is the only way you can continue the argument.

My apologies for not reading your link: I thought you were sending me to learn about Socrates.

Actually the link just says exactly what DavidR has said above and I said before:

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By design, Firefox does not display web pages exactly the way Internet Explorer does. On the one hand, there are W3C standards and on the other hand, the way IE works. They are different. Firefox and Mozilla and Opera have opted to obey the W3C standards so page rendering differences between all these browsers and IE are to be expected. I run a few web sites and stumbled across some of my own HTML coding sloppiness that IE let slip by but Firefox did not.

While Firefox and Mozilla are to be applauded for conforming to the "standards", the unfortunate net result for the user is that pages display differently, sometimes quite differently, in alternate browsers. Then too, the popularity of Internet Explorer and the laziness of web site designers results in many web sites that are only tested against IE.  Should Firefox/Mozilla gain in popularity, perhaps webmasters will also test their sites to see how they render with these browsers.

I think Neal is right to say we should leave this thread to people wanting to post their evaluations of Flock.

But if you do have a web site, check it is cross browser compliant like Mastertech so we can all view it correctly whatever browser we use.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on October 29, 2005, 06:01:40 PM
It almost sounds like we are finally getting people to agree that it's ok to disagree. :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: darth.mikey on October 29, 2005, 06:04:22 PM
tryin to get another forum shut down bob?

Why do you mean by another?
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 29, 2005, 07:51:08 PM
Well dear posters in this thread,

Lets turn the discussion 180 degrees around, and let me start telling you what I particularly like about the Flock Developer Preview version 0.4.9. Improvements were made I think in relation to Firefox where tools options is concerned, there you will find general (for Avast Webshield, it runs there now, hug and snug),
-  Privacy: with settings for cookies, cache history, passwords, cached forms, download history,
- Content here you can block pop ups, get install warnings for extensions and themes, block or allow java and javascript.
- You have options for tabs,
- Advanced options (smooth scrolling, keyboard settings), and
- Blogging options.
I particularly like like the Java Script console and the DOM_inspector.
You have a Blog editor and Shell, Flock Feeds, just when you are into that.

You can adjust text size, page style in View.
- Extensions I have are AdBlock, NoScript, CookieCuller (the last one ported from FF with a tool FF to Flock).

For me Flock is faster than FF. Irritating can be the sound it makes on loading a new page. A thing reminding me of Bazooka.

As I said the tweakability goes further than FF, and it may be the better browser in the longer run. Let us wait and see.

I just do not touch IE (In XP SP 2 it is also a very safe reliable browser, fully pateched and updated of course).

-Iif you want to give IE the character of FF you can download Foxie to give it some of Firefox characterizations at www.getfoxie.com.

For those who live in the States Flock needs new developers, if you are good scripters (JS and AJAX), they invite these people to build the first real release. I am anxious for it to come out.

I like to thank all the members of this thread that have posted here, and will post. It will certainly help security wise. Browsers are/were one of the first routes of malware to a computer.
Making browsers safe must be a first priority.

yours truly,

polonus


PS interesting to test here: http://demo.issuetrackerproduct.com/

p.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: darkparrot on October 30, 2005, 04:34:19 AM
Why does this stuff always happen, bah I am tired of it.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Inu-Ya on October 30, 2005, 05:20:07 AM
I know right  ::)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on October 30, 2005, 05:35:06 AM
I think what Microsoft consider as a threat is Google not directly Mozilla.  IE 7 will be more user-friendly but users unlikely expect Google friendly functions.  I haven't installed Flock but I presume that it is intended to be freer from the politics between commercial companies.  As a user, I'm rather happy with having alternatives and keep an eye to what the huge companies are doing.  However, fighting against a certain company or organization is not in my support for my favorite browsers.  My support for them is just to use them and thank people who are involved in developing them.

PS
Why does this stuff always happen, bah I am tired of it.
Employment of skimming technique would be quite handy. ;)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on October 30, 2005, 09:28:19 AM
Polonus,

I am not sure if your aware of additional Extensions for "Flock". There are quite of few of them  HERE  (http://ehoffmann.blogsome.com/2005/10/23/the-ultimate-flock-extensions-list/) if you would like to check them out. The weather extension also works fine as does CookieCuller.  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 30, 2005, 02:06:53 PM
Hi neal63,

Thank you, I have the CookieCuller installed my friend. I only am suspicious of tracking cookies, especially third party cookies are blocked, and a privacy cookie policy is needed, because cookies govern webbugs and webbug tracking. Malicious sites are blocked (anti-spyware programs and other means), the browser does not even contact those. As you and I  are the ones that use this browser, here are some technical data of the Flock pre 0.5: - this  browser has all the University of Florida standard qualifications a modern browser should have. FGU technology is good, it is a  win32 netscape 4.0 Window en-US type, localhost with the avast-webshield pops up as "your IP 127.0.0.1." which  is safe. color depth is 16 bit, best appreciated in thousand color + , colors 65536, res. 800 x 600 max 800 x 572, java en, anti-aliasing fonts no, displaying frames all-right, Java Applets if allowed OK, XMLHttpRequest supported for feed.xml. Browser is general password protected, all other passwords are guarded by this. These things you remember for friendly webmasters. This browser is not as vulnerable for holes as mentioned in parasite.js see: http://www.computersecuritytools.com/

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on October 30, 2005, 03:38:32 PM
Polonus,

I am not sure if your aware of additional Extensions for "Flock". There are quite of few of them  HERE  (http://ehoffmann.blogsome.com/2005/10/23/the-ultimate-flock-extensions-list/) if you would like to check them out. The weather extension also works fine as does CookieCuller.  :)
Actually, the site has been already quoted by polonus himself.  He seems to have made a quite lot of research on the browser.
For a pick of new ported extensions go to: http://ehoffmann.blogsome.com/200

However, to be honest, I am yet convinced to install Flock on my system.  One thing I don't like about Mozilla apps is that they leave rubbishes in registry, which I am not proficient with.  Only exception I found so far is my primary browser.  Unfortunately, though, it is available only with a minor language.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 30, 2005, 05:13:23 PM
Hi Umath,

In Flock you can go to tools, options, to general, to cache and set the max cache size there. in Flock you can empty your cache there with one click. Easy peasy. Enjoy Flock, my friend, give it feedback and make it even safer. If you decide to use it get the Adblock and NoScript extensions installed, this definitely makes Flock safer to use. And if you have IE as second browser have this always fully updated and patched of course just  in  case of cross-vulnerabilities. But this goes for every alternate browser- ergo see to it that IE is safe first. For reg rubbish use RegSeeker 1.45, free for personal use, get it at:
http://www.hoverdesk.net/freeware.htm

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on October 31, 2005, 04:32:57 AM
In Flock you can go to tools, options, to general, to cache and set the max cache size there. in Flock you can empty your cache there with one click. Easy peasy. Enjoy Flock, my friend, give it feedback and make it even safer. If you decide to use it get the Adblock and NoScript extensions installed, this definitely makes Flock safer to use.

Oh, my current browser is quite competent and similar functions already through scripts and some more features such as group tabs.  Also, it starts much faster than Firefox by not using XUL for the interface.  Ad as one of promising projects, I'll keep an eye on Flock as well, though (GPL is an interesting attempt).  At least, it is not officially released yet.

And if you have IE as second browser have this always fully updated and patched of course just  in  case of cross-vulnerabilities. But this goes for every alternate browser- ergo see to it that IE is safe first.  For reg rubbish use RegSeeker 1.45, free for personal use, get it at:
http://www.hoverdesk.net/freeware.htm

???  Which OS are you using?  WindowsXPSP2 has default automatic update function (although I turned it off and check the update once a week or so) and any decent IE alternative has quick access to security setting.  In fact, this forum has users of Greenbrowser and Maxthon.  IMO, the major appeal of Mozilla alternatives are their customizability trough scripts and/or extensions.

Thanx for RegSeeker, though.   I was using free version of JVPowertools and EasyCleaner.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on October 31, 2005, 04:45:42 PM
Well Umath,

At work I have XP Pro SP2 fully patched. I see FF and later when it is further developed Flock too as browsers for people that are left in the cold when older platforms are not officially supported (since 2002 and later also Win2xxx). That is not good for all the small businesses around in the world that still run older platforms. A lot of programmers don't even write with older Win platforms in mind. After IE 6.0 a lot of people in the (third) world are left with no alternative. Flock is faster and more secure as FF.
Yesterday I adopted Nukeanything from a FF extension to a Flock one with a special program FF to Flock, it is already up and running in the browser. The browser Flock is not for the faint hearted because it is a developer version, but I cannot say I have met any hick-up as to now. Gave some feedback on a couple of objects that were not rendered properly on one site, and I see a lot of JS misspellings on sites. That is all,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Abraxas on November 01, 2005, 05:45:55 PM
I find all the innovations in browsing very appealing. I've been using IE ( 6.0.2900.2180 ) on XPpro sp2  recently and found that it's a lot more secure than even 6 months ago. Healthy competition is good  for us all though , so having new browsers being developed can only be good. Software isn't my forte`, so reading other's experiences here very educational. A good debate is cool too,  8) ! Get's pretty passionate at times though   ???
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on November 01, 2005, 08:12:46 PM
Hi Abraxas and Neal63,

I have found that without further ado you can transport searchplugins in Firefox to Flock. No problems all work like with ConQuery. I run 24 searchplugins in Flock now. Just to let you know. Flock not for the fainthearted, because it is still only a developer's release, but I cannot say a bad word about it. To me better than FF, faster, and more secure. Now testing the rendering of pages at the WannaBrowser site.

greets,

polonus

Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Abraxas on November 01, 2005, 08:40:42 PM
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"...Software isn't my forte`..."
polonus:
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"...Just to let you know. Flock not for the fainthearted, because it is still only a developer's release, but I cannot say a bad word about it..."
I've only just finished cleaning every remnant of" Mozilla" /" Firefox" from my system . It took me 6 hours  ;D :o
Plus figuring the Administrative rights for Win XP pro  :P , and I'm so pleased to have Firefox installed and running again !  ;D ;D ;D I'm feeling a bit  " fainthearted " , but Flock really seems to be going ahead in leaps & bounds polonus.  ;) It's on my "To Do " list in the distant future. Your really enjoying tweaking it up I can tell !  ;D

A happy camper  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on November 01, 2005, 08:57:06 PM
Hi Abraxas,

Yes, I am glad you are feeling that way. I have not experienced a lot of problems with FF (not after 1.07) and none with Flock lately. There are still hoards of bugs in the new Vista and IE look here for a sneak peak of what the beta testers found: http://www.thehotfix.net/bugs.html.
So while waiting to see the dust cleared up there, and the new SP3 for XP Pro, with the other platforms, I give Flock a chance.
Well of course browser security is also a form of being aware. Install Adblocking, Cookie Management (CookieCuller), NoScript (inviting script only at times you feel it is welcome). Use SpywareGuide.com as search engine to find malware.
Do not invite toolbars, only Preference bar, which is a very good tool to make all sort of security settings.

greetings,

polonus

Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on November 02, 2005, 03:03:07 AM
Abraxas, I think you made a wise choice by waiting and letting polonus and other experienced users polish up things.  According to what polonus wrote so far, non-beta version is not so distant future, I think.

I have read of your experience with mess left from Mozilla in another thread.  If only the browser I mentioned (a kind of registry free Mozilla alternative) had English version I could recommend it.  I wonder if there is a way to improve un-installation of Mozilla apps.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Lisandro on November 02, 2005, 03:11:35 AM
Adblocking
Which one do you use?

Cookie Management (CookieCuller)
Anything for IE (or Maxthon) that you recommend?

NoScript
And for IE?

Thanks...
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on November 02, 2005, 03:20:08 AM
NoScript
And for IE?

Out of curiosity, doesn't Maxthon have quick security configuration for script?
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Lisandro on November 02, 2005, 03:26:11 AM
Out of curiosity, doesn't Maxthon have quick security configuration for script?
You can uncheck scripts to run as you can prevent images, ActiveX, etc.
But, this way, you won't even be able to use the smiles, for instance  :'(
They'll be blocked too  :-\ :(
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on November 02, 2005, 03:42:16 AM
Out of curiosity, doesn't Maxthon have quick security configuration for script?
You can uncheck scripts to run as you can prevent images, ActiveX, etc.
But, this way, you won't even be able to use the smiles, for instance  :'(
They'll be blocked too  :-\ :(

(chuckles)  I assume no quick access, then.  How about GreenBrowser?   With Sleipnir (http://sleipnir.pos.to/cgi-bin/d/download.cgi?dl=sleipnir166z), you can change the security setting in flash.

Also, I have never turned java script on in these fora, either.  If you type a certain characters, it turns to be expression icons, which can be confirmed trough preview function.  For example,
Code: [Select]
8) 8)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on November 02, 2005, 09:56:28 AM
Hello Umath,

You have two ways of addressing security settings for Flash: the global security settings for the Flash player (3 global settings). In FF and Flock you can stifle Flash with NoScript temporarily. I personally run NukeAnything in Flock (this add-on is available for FF as well), with remove object you can take anything out that you want to take out.
To refresh the whole page just refresh and the nuked objects return.

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on November 02, 2005, 10:47:59 AM
Thanx for the info, polonus, but I meant "in a flash." :-[

However, I read of Maxthon on the net and found out that it seems to have quick access to security settings to temporally disable/enable scripts just like Sleipnir.  Also, as I wrote above, as long as we are accustomed to BBcode, we don't need scripts in these boards.  Guess I misunderstood what Tech wrote.  :P

However, you are right, polonus.  Since my Mozilla browser requires installation of other other Mozilla browsers in order to use their extensions, I am not knowledgeable of Firefox extensions.  The browser has got script-based cookie/java/image management tools, though.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on November 02, 2005, 10:18:29 PM
Hi Umath,
Here are the security settings in GreenBrowser:
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on November 03, 2005, 02:44:34 AM
Well, another report in about Flock. I am STILL using it as my primary browser and have since i believe the 23 of Oct. I haven't experienced any thing that resembled a crash. I am very pleased with it. The plug-ins that I have added are working just fine. Actually I have had less problems with just little nit picking things that I at times get using my other browsers. I haven't even had a little nit picking problem with Flock. The developers IMO are to be congratulated for developing what appears to be a very good browser. I personally am happy with it. Others may not experience what I am. Just thought I would get some feedback to you Polonus. Have a good day.  ;)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on November 03, 2005, 11:02:54 AM
Thanx, bob3160.  IMO, that's enough selection for casual users.  The advantage of FF expansion NoScript is that it can assign script settings for each domain quickly while, as polonus wrote, NukeAnything deals with other web page filtering.

In short, IE alternatives such as GreenBrowser, Maxthon and Sleipnir, has out-of-box all-in-one quick access to security settings, FF/Flock extensions have more detailed approach with NoScript and NukeAnything.

Firefox and Fock shine when they are combined with extensions.  However, while extensions definitely have charms, they have some drawbacks.  They may have conflicts and make browsing slower.  Also, like in the case above, they sometimes do not have all-in-one unified approach.  As usual, both IE and Mozilla alternatives have their strengths.

For me, web filtering function is a way to select necessary information as well as security and I'd like to see some of more development in this direction.

Adblocking
Which one do you use?

Cookie Management (CookieCuller)
Anything for IE (or Maxthon) that you recommend?

IE alternative is for me just a second browser but I think IECookiesView  (http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/iecookies.html) is popular.  bob3160 may have better recommendation for cookie management and hopefully ad-blocking.  ;)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on November 03, 2005, 11:06:40 AM
Hi neal63,

I have experienced the same, not a crash, some minor things with some objects, but that was not because of Flock. Searchengines can be transported mapwise from Firefox to Flock, no sweat. Nukeanything add-on was added after I posted it.
You can also set you important cookies in CookieCuller to protect (Avast cookie etc). I think Flock is rocking in style. The not so official extension list for Flock (scan and analyze before installing, but that goes without saying for Avast forum members I guess, link to go for add-ons for Flock browser: http://adminid.com/flock/ or here:
http://ehoffmann.blogsome.com/2005/10/23/the-ultimate-flock-extensions-list/
And for more added security search plug-ins for Flock go here:
http://localareasecurity.com/category/firefox-plugins


greets,
polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Lisandro on November 04, 2005, 03:33:34 AM
Sorry, the thread is too long now...
Will Flock replace Firefox in the future?
Will be a possibility of overinstall Flock over Firefox or they're two different, standalone applications?
Do they share cache, plugins, cookies, etc.?
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Inu-Ya on November 04, 2005, 03:42:25 AM
At the moment tech, Flock does not support many of the Plug-Ins and Themes of FireFox  :-\ in the Future we will see that happen. Heres a link of what only a few they have to offer - http://extend.flock.com/

I believe there are more as a member on the foums of Flock gave us all a link but the links towards those Plug-Ins don't work as in the link re-directed us to a page for some AD. Hopefully Flock will over come FireFox. I use Adblock at the mean time though.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on November 04, 2005, 08:39:26 AM
Hi folks,

- Just a few summarizing words to end the thread, because Tech thinks it is too long already.
- Inu-Ya, there are already a lot of extensions for Flock coming in, see the various links I gave in this thread. They are not all on their home page. . .
- For all the people here remind that Flock is still coming to its 12th build now, and is still a developers release. Wait for the official version. But it is going fast. I have contact with the team and the Flock community (some 30 people and the Palo Alto garage team) looking at the security aspects of this browser. There are still some migration problems and how they want to solve this is not clear yet. Some settings of Firefox can be taken into Flock just like that, others cannot like the add-ons or plug-ins (there are special drag and drop programs for this like FF to Flock).
Why I think Flock has a good chance for the future is: USER FRIENDLINESS.
So once in a while you will hear about this. Keep an eye out for new developments, it is going fast. Also there is a relation Flock to the  Bessemer firm where you should look for an early link to Verisign coming into the picture.

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on November 05, 2005, 06:41:53 AM
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Sorry, the thread is too long now...
How about the following threads?
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=1509.0
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=4818.0
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=9671.0
I'm sure there are many more.... :)  ;D  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Lisandro on November 05, 2005, 02:18:13 PM
Quote
Sorry, the thread is too long now...
How about the following threads?
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=1509.0
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=4818.0
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=9671.0
I'm sure there are many more.... :)  ;D  :)
Exactly the same question could be done. Exactly because of this I try to point or link to an specific message.
You're messing INFO threads with DISCUSSION threads, in my opinion.
INFO are larger usually. I'm just asking a question here, nothing more. If you try to help in many threads you'll feel the same difficulty as I feel: I can't ask a question because the others think "Why are you asking? Don't you know everything? You're asked this before"... I can ask a shorter question because the users, that want help, want it immediatly, precisely, now... and I'm here, loosing my time reading tons of long posts and, after all, touching this reality... I'm really disapointed...
Why am I here after all... Bob, you've got it again, you have the power to make me useless  :(
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on November 05, 2005, 04:27:49 PM
Technical
Why are you taking this personal?
A thread, any thread is only read and responded to if your interested in the subject matter.
If you aren't interested in the subject matter, simply don't open it. That's what I do.
If it does interst you, then the more information a thread contains, the better.
That's why some threads only warrent one entry while others receive a large amount of replies.

P.S.
This used to be a friendly place.
Why lately is everything some one posts taken as personal attack?
Why can't it just simply be taken for what it is, a comment or an opinion offered by the
person making the post.
Why are so many trying to read something into a post that simply isn't there???


Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on November 05, 2005, 08:34:20 PM
Hi boys,

Just stay on topic. The thread took a lot of comment and I am glad. When I did a deep survey of the upcoming new Flock browser, a promishing new offspring of the FF line, and a lot better in my opinion, mainly stability wise, I am glad with all the response from people that use it, like Neal, and others that are interested what it will be when officially launched. I learned more about browser security since Oct. 23rd when I downloaded the code then I would expect. Why they want their own way of add-ons, why they are different from FF.  Security discussions on migrating things into Flock. Because it is an open socializing blog browser, the security therefore must be much more strict. Tracking OK but only when you allow it.
The bookmarking scenario is completely different, but the information it gives back to you is much more according your personal needs, and still not invading. If a PrefBar would come into Flock I would not easily go away. You will hear from me folks, and Bob and Tech be good to  each other,

greets,

polonus

PS Look inside Flock you can now download the 0.5 10 build
neatly over your existing version, no changes to all your previous settings, seamless.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on November 06, 2005, 08:39:28 AM
This new build working well for me.  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on November 06, 2005, 04:02:31 PM
Hi Flock preview 2005 1021 testers,

It is a good thing for any browser user  to get a root certificate. For Flock get it here: https://getca.verisign.com/update.html
It is from Verisign and is fingerprinted.  Fine new add-on is ChromeEdit to add User Files, and "Linkification" to convert text links into genuine, clickable links.

greets,

polonus


Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on November 10, 2005, 07:54:48 PM
Hi Flocker developers,

Extensions ported for Flock are growing in numbet. One of them is Alt-Text for Links: see
http://roachfiend.com/archives/2005/03/03/alt-text-for-links/

Flock has appeared to be a very stable browser,

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on November 13, 2005, 03:42:11 PM
Hi Flock preview 0.5 users,

If you want to spoofcheck on loaded pages go here for the bookmarklet, drag it to a second browser bar.
You can find it here:
http://blog.kevindonahue.com/archives/2003/12/help_prevent_spoofed.php#001346

Your browser is again a bit safer. In FF you can get spoofstick as an add-on. Always carry a spoofstick around.

Furthermore I have put Flock on the grid with Chris Pederick Web Developer Extension. Just installs this toolbar as for Firefox, installs into Flock without further ado. This is also great security wise for the Disable functions  there. So no more referrer logging.

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: mikedallos on November 13, 2005, 10:08:56 PM
Hi Flock preview 0.5 users,

If you want to spoofcheck on loaded pages go here for the bookmarklet, drag it to a second browser bar.
You can find it here:
http://blog.kevindonahue.com/archives/2003/12/help_prevent_spoofed.php#001346

Your browser is again a bit safer. In FF you can get spoofstick as an add-on. Always carry a spoofstick around.

Furthermore I have put Flock on the grid with Chris Pederick Web Developer Extension. Just installs this toolbar as for Firefox, installs into Flock without further ado. This is also great security wise for the Disable functions  there. So no more referrer logging.

greets,

polonus



Thanks........I just got it!!

I will flock every day!!



Be well........
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on November 15, 2005, 12:02:21 AM
Hi mikedallos,

Hope you like this user friendly browser.
It did not fail me once since I installed the preview 0.5, and now I am running the 11th build. I test it thoroughly.

The  forum for developers and team members resides here: http://www.flockbrowser.com/Forums

For those that join their mailing list there is a private beta version.
So I think the first beta will come out soon for ye all.
Wait what is coming out of that garage room in California.

greets,

polonus

Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on December 12, 2005, 07:52:39 PM
For some oddballs like myself who are curious of Flock but don't like Mozilla products to mess with registry, and of course, people like Flock enough to go out with it, Pocket Flock (http://www.outraged-artists.com/flock/), which is similar to Portable Firefox 1.5 (http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/browsers/portable_firefox).  The site Portable Apps.com, where you can even spot portable OS, itself may interest portable device users.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: ..::ReVaN::.. on December 12, 2005, 08:12:33 PM
I'm sick of that slow ass Firefox it sometimes feels like Photoshop opens up faster(and you know that one needs a little more time to open up)...  >:( 

Damian does Flock open up any faster than Firefox?And do you happen to know if FoxyTunes(my favorite fox extension)  can be used or ported in Flock?


thanks in advance my friend


Miha
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: DavidR on December 12, 2005, 08:15:31 PM
For some oddballs like myself who are curious of Flock but don't like Mozilla products to mess with registry, and of course, people like Flock enough to go out with it, Pocket Flock, which is similar to Portable Firefox 1.5. 
I'm not sure that I follow if you don't like the messing with registry, isn't flock based on the Mozilla Firefox code?
So Pocket Flock and Portable Firefox are probably similarly linked.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 12, 2005, 08:28:33 PM
Hi ReVaN,

Yes Flock is considerably faster than FF. Allthough built after FF 1.5 x it is completely different. Good news is that Eugin Kuzin of Dr. Web made the Dr. Web plug-in suitable for Flock now as well.
I like Flock as a browser better as any FF build. Also Neal63 always been on Flock from the mo it was out on the Net, and I have not heard a bad word about this browser from him in all my contactsl. And for cache items, you can be rigorous with it, go to history.dat or cookie dat. If you clean your cookie dat out with Notepad, just put it back nearly empty, and the next go it automattically starts anew loading the cookie. You can go to options and clean out the cache with one push of a button. Nightly built installs over previous ones  seamlessly, no sweat at all. Has not let me down so far, this browser, honest,


greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: ..::ReVaN::.. on December 12, 2005, 08:34:51 PM
OK i'm gonna give it a go but my question about FoxyTunes extension still remains(i cannot live without that...) BTW the GUI looks very nice ;)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on December 12, 2005, 08:49:59 PM
And do you happen to know if FoxyTunes(my favorite fox extension)  can be used or ported in Flock?

Check it here (http://adminid.com/flock/).  Still not official but there is.  Also, you will find some useful links in this thread.

I'm not sure that I follow if you don't like the messing with registry, isn't flock based on the Mozilla Firefox code?
So Pocket Flock and Portable Firefox are probably similarly linked.

Yes, Pocket Flock still relies on Portable Firefox, which tries not to make traces including registry on the host machines as little as possible.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: ..::ReVaN::.. on December 12, 2005, 08:55:08 PM
Check it here (http://adminid.com/flock/).  Still not official but there is.  Also, you will find some useful links in this thread.

Thanks Umath this is just what i needed, i'll report back here to give my opinion on Flock once i got it installed and play with it a little..


thanks again

Revan
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: .: Mac :. on December 13, 2005, 03:08:37 AM
Well to add info on the mac side of flock:

It runs, about the same as IE for Mac. It is Obviously not Optimized for Altivec (aka velocity engine) and I see no universal binary to work on botth PPC and intel macs

I have sent them some links to apple's Altivec developers page and hopefuly they will improve on that
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 17, 2005, 03:37:44 PM
Hello .:Mac:.,

If you use Flock, you can easily port extensions from FF to Flock, with this tool:
http://frobba.com/main.asp?article=230, also for you a Mac version there available. Use the Flocker.

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: rdsu on December 17, 2005, 04:30:11 PM
The Flock use less resources than Firefox?

Firefox have some bugs that aren't fixed to avoid these issues, and since Flock also use Gecko engine, I would like to know that...
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: szc on December 17, 2005, 04:46:20 PM
I strongly believe (and somehow feel inside, taking the fact that someone gave them a million bucks, into consideration) that this Flock browser will be one of the greatest browsers out there. Biggest competition to IE7 in my humble opinion (even IE7 is still under heavy development, but so far it looks really promising). Firefox will have to step back (well not that simply, because we all can witness how many those "Firefox yellers" are out there... nothing that comes out is better than Firefox in their opinion, but they never mention it's their humble opinion  ;) ). Of course, we all remember Netscape and its everlasting fight with IE and Microsoft...

With that said, I really think Flock will become a wonderful browser. Wonderful bunch of young developers, fresh minds, ready to do something good, and maybe most important, with unbelievable deep pockets (now when they got all that money). This will be a simple BOOM.

The fact is, use what makes you happy and do not force anyone to think like you think... there is nothing like ultimate browser, nor ultimate knowledge. People are individuals and they need to act and feel like that, otherwise we all will became insensitive robots... oh well, maybe sometimes we would feel a need to change our oil from time to time  ;D

Cheers !
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on December 17, 2005, 04:53:17 PM
The Flock use less resources than Firefox?

Firefox have some bugs that aren't fixed to avoid these issues, and since Flock also use Gecko engine, I would like to know that...

My current main Mozilla alternaitve browser is as quick as notepad and doesn't affect on my system but its language is terribly minor.  :(

How about trying Pocket Flock (http://www.outraged-artists.com/flock/) or Portable Fifefox (http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/browsers/portable_firefox), instead?
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: rdsu on December 17, 2005, 05:01:44 PM
I'm waiting for the next version of Maxthon and IE, but until that I'm trying other browsers...

Thanks
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: ..::ReVaN::.. on December 17, 2005, 05:07:08 PM
But Flock really is on the right way i have to say i am impressed with it :) I am on Maxthon currently as it fits my needs perfectly but Flock is staying on my system defintely and i'll be watching it's development closely :) Go Flock!
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 17, 2005, 06:27:13 PM
Hi ReVaN,

But you will be a portable apps man too in the foreseeable future. I see it here before me, Miha with a portable Flock browser on his Flash Disk, together with his portable Avast AV product and special Gamer's portable Firewall. Press: enter my friend,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on December 17, 2005, 07:16:48 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Avast%20Forum/PocketFlock02.jpg)
As you can see it works like a charm   and I've added it to the rest of the things I've set up
on my keychain drive:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Avast%20Forum/PocketFlock.jpg)

By the way, this was posted using PocketFlock.... ;D
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on December 17, 2005, 07:33:32 PM
In case you're interested in the other 17 apps, I have them available at MySharedFiles (http://home.comcast.net/~mysharedfiles/)
Direct download link:http://bob3160.no-ip.org:4445/AIO%5F17USB%20Appz.exe
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on December 17, 2005, 08:40:36 PM
Just a little update about "flock" that I am using. Started using it on Oct 23, 2005. Using it as my MAIN browser. Un-installed firefox version 1.5 as it was slower than their version 1.07 which I now have gone back to. Flock has never crashed or let me down yet. I use it first, then Firefox version 1.07 and then if I have to one of the I.E. engine clones. Thanks again Polonus for letting me know of this browser when you did.  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 18, 2005, 12:00:04 AM
Hi Bob3160 and Neal63,

Well I have PocketFlock now too, and ported all my add-ons.
It is great to be able to take Flock wherever I find a USB port.

Thanks you folks,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Umath on December 18, 2005, 01:08:00 AM
I see it here before me, Miha with a portable Flock browser on his Flash Disk, together with his portable Avast AV product and special Gamer's portable Firewall.

I'd like you to let us know when you are writing about future next time even if you can envision future in front of you.  :D

Bob seems to have his office in flash meida...  Don't let your office stolen or lose it, bob.  ;)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 18, 2005, 01:30:04 AM
Hello Umath,

Well you see, and Bob showed it to us. The future is already here. Well with PocketFlock in my memory stick, it is waiting for PocketAvast. Say you arrive at a comp, you certainly know your Avast is pristine. It opens up a lot of extra possibilities: the best bootscan you can ask for. So don't laugh at Bob and me, we feel where the antivirus and firewalling is going...portable partition.
And it is not strange. In the old days Bob and I had a pencil behind the ear and know we have a flash drive round our neck.

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: ..::ReVaN::.. on December 18, 2005, 02:25:37 AM
Hi ReVaN,

But you will be a portable apps man too in the foreseeable future. I see it here before me, Miha with a portable Flock browser on his Flash Disk, together with his portable Avast AV product and special Gamer's portable Firewall. Press: enter my friend,

polonus

Damian you're right it's just i have to go out and buy myself a usb drive(believe it or not i still don't have it).I see how a
portable AV program could be usefull yes and a portable firewall sounds great also but come to think of it i wouldn't mind putting all my programs on there(portable Photoshop so i could work on any machine).
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 18, 2005, 02:53:21 PM
Hi ReVaN,

It is not the cost to have this extra partition, my friend. I use USB 2.0 My Flash, it is for Data and it is for Security. Ask your boss to subscribe for a computer magazine, and he will get one for you "za darmo" or gratis, for free.  ;D I have got mine from St. Nicolaas (Dec. 5th). Gonna have a look if this ghostwall fw can be ported as a portable apps. Look here for your Bitorrents apps:
http://www.theinfobox.com/index.php/Portable_USB_Apps

Have a nice day,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Lisandro on December 22, 2005, 12:27:27 PM
Just to post the advantages of Flock over Firefox 1.5.
Here you can see a report of Firefox 1.5 instabilities: http://internetweek.cmp.com/175007058

Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: DavidR on December 22, 2005, 02:28:48 PM
Yes this is happening, but as the report/s clearly state, it isn't happening to everyone. I have experienced some high memory use up to 114MB but none of the others reported. I have also done the suggested about:config tweak to see if that reduces memory usage.

Unfortunately the bullet points don't tell the whole story.

I would also like to know, since the Flock browser is based on the firefox core, perhaps this is happening also but because it is not so widely distributed (and the issues raised, not effecting every firefox user), then it is quite possible that it hasn't been noticed.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 22, 2005, 03:52:06 PM
Hi DavidR.

I have beta tested the Flock developer's preview now from day 1. And I test security on Flock. Never crashed on me even once, FF dozens of times, especially when you open it to view an update page (ClamWin version, from ZoneAlarm), slow when you use the full format.
The add-on Fasterfox helps considerably, but Flock is the more stable. leaner, faster browser with the better user-friendliness. And that what it is all about. I think the consistency of the coding bunch of Flock is greater, the noses stood one way, and the results proof it. Both browsers would not bring the difference, nor FF nor Flock, was n't it for the add-ons like developer toolbar, NoScript, Adblock extra, Dr. Web hyperlink scanner etc. These things really make these browsers shine.
FF does strange things now and again, and not in all cases these things are reproducible. For the not so fainthearted have Flock next to it, and give it a try, or wait one month and a half or two for the official launch of the full version.

Yours truly,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on December 22, 2005, 04:13:12 PM
David
When I don't use GreenBrowser, there are (IMHO) only 2 other browser choices:
1. Flock    or,
2. Opera

FF has always been slower to start than either of these 2 and since FF latest version,
there are just to many incompatabilities. It's still on my computer but isn't being used any more.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 22, 2005, 04:28:15 PM
Hi bob3160,

Is that a large community using the GreenBrowser, and what made you choose it?
How long have you used it, and what are the plusses for you?

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Inu-Ya on December 22, 2005, 04:40:34 PM
I've used GreenBrowser and I thought it was just like Avant and Maxthon really  :-\ I then was tired of all the IE based Browser's and moved to FireFox. I use IE Tab 1.0.7 "Alpha" and it works most of the time. FireFox does not seem slow to me at all. It loads Images alot faster then IE does anyday.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on December 22, 2005, 04:43:50 PM
Hi bob3160,

Is that a large community using the GreenBrowser, and what made you choose it?
How long have you used it, and what are the plusses for you?

polonus
I've used it for serveral years. The following link should answer your questions:
http://www.snapfiles.com/opinions/GreenBrowser/GreenBrowser.html
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: DavidR on December 22, 2005, 05:17:22 PM
David
When I don't use GreenBrowser, there are (IMHO) only 2 other browser choices:
1. Flock    or,
2. Opera

FF has always been slower to start than either of these 2 and since FF latest version,
there are just to many incompatabilities. It's still on my computer but isn't being used any more.
Well untill two months ago you had never heard of flock much less used it. As I have said, considering it is based on the core I will hold my judgement until 1) it is in a public release and not developers version. That way when it is installed on many more systems with different configurations perhaps we will be able to judge it in the same light as firefox.

I only start firefox once a day and it takes 9 seconds if I do shut it down the second load is quicker, if I used prefetch then perhaps this would be quicker still (sushhhh we do't want to wake the prefetch bears). So 9 seconds hardly earth shatteringly slow, but I didn't ditch avast because of the slow boot issues which are rearing their heads. I would do as you suggested some time ago switch on and get a coffee if it were that bad.

I still don't like the opera interface, no matter how fast it loads and as you keep saying everyone has their own reason for selecting their browser and is their choice.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on December 22, 2005, 06:08:07 PM
My whole post included IMHO. By now most of us know that you're a strong advocate for FF
just as I have my prefernce in GreenBrowser (http://69.241.160.79:4445/browsers/GreenBrowserSetup.exe).
That's what makes us individuals..... ;D
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 22, 2005, 08:25:24 PM
Dear DavidR,

Why don't you download the Flock release and try it on your comp. I am certain by a couple of months' try-out, that it sure won't hurt your machine, and you can give a review from personal experience with it. I think the good Lord's Besemers funds are well spent on this solid browser's development, and that also must be an appealing thought especially to a subject of Brittania's Empire  ;).

regards,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: szc on December 22, 2005, 08:31:02 PM
I installed PocketFlock on my USB. All I can say is, this browser will rule the browsing world one day. Unbelievable easy to navigate, so light, most beautiful GUI I've ever seen in my whole life... so sleek, so neat, so clean... unbelievable.

I guess I waited long enough, and I'm not gonna wait for final release... I'm installing it on both of my machines right this moment. It should be installed on every single system.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: DavidR on December 22, 2005, 09:25:18 PM
Why don't you download the Flock release and try it on your comp.
Thanks but no thanks, not until it is released to the public late beta, etc. I did consider it but having visited one of the links that you gave, found that you have to sign-up to get the developers release and I couldn't see the point of that, I'm not a developer.

Having only one system I tend not to use alpha or very early beta releases and the developers release is even earlier than alpha.

So when it gets to that stage then I may try it but like most things I would have to feel dissatisfied to need to look to an alternative. Like I did when I first sought an IE alternate, MyIE (didn't like the old interface), Avant and Maxthon (ex MyIE improved). However, all those use the IE core ad I'm trying to avoid activeX, BHOs and fully integrated into the OS, that is why I went to firefox and generally I've been happy with it. So when I'm good and ready I will seek it out.

I still have a hard time getting my head round the fact that flock uses the firefox core and if there is a problem with the firefox core that should also present itself in flock?
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: szc on December 22, 2005, 09:36:48 PM
...
...
I still have a hard time getting my head round the fact that flock uses the firefox core and if there is a problem with the firefox core that should also present itself in flock?

No, if it's re-programmed properly. There is a lot of Open sources out there, and some programmers just keeps ruining the core, while others make best out of it. I believe it's the case everywhere with everything. But, really... Flock is one hell of a stable and fast browser, even with the fact that it's still in Developer's stage.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Inu-Ya on December 22, 2005, 11:46:42 PM
Ok guys. I have a question here if you don't mind. i'm thinking about turning over to Opera one more time and I need to know is it really... worth going back to since the 8.5 release? Could somebody please tell me who's better here. Fire... or... Opera?!

when I was on Opera for awhile I got the feeling it loaded pages and kept them in memory very well. I had no problems besides on this one site but they had a fix for it. Although the Memory usage tat alot of users had still worrys me  :-\ FireFox any has a big Issue on it. So... what's up? FireFox or Opera  :o

I know I could just download Opera and test it and all that junk but I would like a vote  ::)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: bob3160 on December 22, 2005, 11:56:14 PM
You already have my answer... ;D
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Inu-Ya on December 23, 2005, 12:05:50 AM
Ehh... nock... nock... I'm not home today am I?!  ::)  i'm not thinking right today at all. Ok.. Ok.. on my way....  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: ..::ReVaN::.. on December 23, 2005, 12:37:48 PM
Wow 9 seconds to start a browser....Isn't that a little slow but that's just me i guess.I like my apps to open up as fast as possible and Flock has a start up time on my PC(that's the first time i run it) under 3 seconds.When i had Firefox installed it was 20 seconds at least(the first run that is then all the rest were considerably slower)and reinstaling it didn't fix my problem unfortunately, even Photoshop CS2 loads in 30 seconds(and we all know how resource hungry that one is) on my comp and it(Fox) got me so frustrated that i uninstalled it(that wasn't the only reason).Too bad really cause i really liked Firefox but since Polonus recommended Flock and i installed it the next day, i never looked back.The first thing i noticed about Flock are those nice shinny buttons and they looked so cool(still do of course) that they brought a smile to my face.Isn't that just great when a program brings a smile to your face? hihi  ;D Of course the simplicity of the program(Flock) and the speed make it a winner in my eyes.I'm still not gonna use it as my primary browser but when it goes "gold" it will definitely replace Maxthon on my PC as the "numero uno" browser.



P.S: Everything written above is just my humble opinion.

Cheers my forum friends,


Mikey
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 23, 2005, 01:14:00 PM
Hi ReVaN,

Yes, Miha, if you start portablle Flock from a Mem Stick it is rather slow in comparison to the normal version. This is because you have to start from DMA. There are more differences, and it is all told in the text that comes with it. When launched Flock portable is as fast loading pages as the Flock in the normal version, to my opinion even faster. But the difference is to make your Mem Stick or Flash Disk live longer, you cannot save history etc. all is flushed. But that is the same on the guest computer too, and that could be a super advantage and big benefit, my dear friend. Your settings etc. and all the add-ons can be ported to it, no sweat, and as a bonus and for security there is a good proxy built in (try a good Vietnamese proxy site is completely stealth). So different browsers versions, and just nice to have it in your pocket. Stability is the same, user friendliness too. The slightly slower start up, is just because of the way it works with the portable partition. Try the feel of the portable browser that suits your needs or the apps that works for you, and tell about it here.

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: ..::ReVaN::.. on December 23, 2005, 01:28:34 PM
Polonus i don't have a problem with Flock starting slower from a usb drive that is to be expected but i had problems with Firefox starting up slowly from my SATA HDD you see?No matter what i did i couldn't fix the problem unfortunately.OK now i'm gonna go boot into Linux and set up Flock as my primary browser there hehe ;)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Lisandro on December 23, 2005, 03:11:52 PM
When i had Firefox installed it was 20 seconds atleast(the first run that is then all the rest were considerably slower)and reinstaling it didn't fix my problem unfortunately
For me, this is the major drawback of Firefox: when you have a problem, only uninstalling and install again  :P

Since Polonus recomended Flock and i installed it the next day and i never looked back.
Me too. Nice recommendation of Polonus.

Ofcourse the simplicity of the program(Flock) and the speed make it a winner in my eyes.I'm still not gonna use it as my primary browser but when it goes "gold" it will definetly replace Maxthon on my PC as the "numero uno" browser.
For me, Maxthon is better yet because of features and tab browsing possibilities.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 25, 2005, 02:29:22 PM
Hi Tech,

As far as known now, Flock will be out of the preview version and  new version launched  coming January, February.

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: ..::ReVaN::.. on December 25, 2005, 05:48:43 PM
As far as known now, Flock will be out of the preview version and new version launched coming January, February.

That is very good news :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on December 25, 2005, 06:27:13 PM
Flock is STILL my primary browser here. I really enjoy using it.  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on January 07, 2006, 06:39:47 PM
Hello you Happy Flockers,

Want your Flock shine with the plug-ins of choice, here is a list of official/unofficial add-ons:
http://adminid.com/flock/

greets,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: neal62 on January 08, 2006, 04:34:07 AM
Thanks Polonus, will check these out.  :)
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: Staind on January 08, 2006, 05:11:14 AM
Excellent program.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: ..::ReVaN::.. on January 08, 2006, 05:23:07 PM
As far as known now, Flock will be out of the preview version and new version launched coming January, February.

Well it's January Damian.... Are there any dates set for the "gold" release yet?
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on January 08, 2006, 05:36:34 PM
Hi M,

Well I heard it through the grape vine, from one of the developers, that they wanted to present the first public version towards the end of January or somewhere in February. But it could also be like Bart Decrem said that it never comes out, taht they kill the project, which I doubt actually. Just be patient, and we will find out. I still think it was one of the user-friendliest browsers I ever touched. Well things have to be done there, like scripts in XLB controls from web content continue to run even when Javascript is disabled, a default thing there, but patched with MFSA 2005-46.

Greets,

polonus aka D
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: szc on January 08, 2006, 05:51:30 PM
Flock Project - shut down ? Sounds no good at all...

I mean, they've got a million bucks to develop that project... where is the problem ?  ???  ::) Unbelievable... at least one browser that was promissing, and now all that drops in water ?

Oh well, IE7 is going to be something you all will use as your default browser, just wait and see... I mentioned similar thing about Kerio will not be shut down, no one believed... and what we see today ? Kerio lives... and I am sure they will continue developing and improving it (hopefully, remove all those bugs and issues Kerio is having right now)...
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on January 09, 2006, 12:08:00 AM
Hi Tesla,

Don't jump to conclusions. This could be a joke by Decrem's, these coders cannot be taken serious here, well they can be taken serious by delivering a very good job of making a stable browser. No Flock is far from dead in the water, it will be launched. Just as you said, why invest into something that will not be launched. have a little patience, Flock is being improved.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: szc on January 09, 2006, 12:18:19 AM
I know Damian my friend, but we've seen so many strange buy-the-product-and-discontinue-it stories last few months, that nothing is strange any more... even though they've got a million bucks to develop this wonderful Flock, I wouldn't be too suprised if someone simply says: "...we're done with it, no more development..."

Yes, maybe that guy gave them million bucks just like that, but 2 millions is double that amount and if big brother wants to get rid of his competition, "he" could easily pay that money to see Flock shut down... I mean we've seen so many similar things in the past  ;)

I hope the same thing will not happen with Flock. I mean, something fresh really needs to come out, and even though Flock was built on Mozilla engine, some people still can't wait to get rid of Firefox. Flock is the ultimate solution IMHO, even though I still think IE7 will rule the internet when it's out.
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on January 09, 2006, 12:32:40 AM
Hi Tesla,

Well we have Flock here. It is here on my comp, it is on my Flash Drive (podcasted), it won't fork off all of a sudden. The number of postings here, demonstrates this. I stumbled on the preview, so did Neal, and we are big fans. Miha has several browsers, but I know Flock is one of them. I experiment with the browser. I just inserted a patch for the scripts in XBL controls from web content that continues to run when Javascript is disabled even, a default Mozilla thing -MFSA 2005-46. I had Eugene Kuzin make the DrWeb link-scanner plug in for Flock.
Well you have seen that going on lately that the successfull projects are bought up or out by the competion. Not likely here, because it is a Mozilla fork-off, it is Mozilla lean with Web 2.0 features in-built. But the concepts must be better, because it does not suck that much as Firefox 1.5 x, if you monitor it, it does not do all the API hook calls continuously. I now have it running with AdBlock extra and the special list updater add-on,
fabulous. When it comes out as a public beta in February, it certainly still will be my browser of choice, but if the code will stay free?

With IE 7 I agree, IE 6 has long teeth now indeed, but they will have their problems with it, as allways for the dominant browser. Backward compatibility issues won't go away, re-working for the Active X, what will be their standpoint versus script engine, and the trusted zone issue could be more user friendly. That is it in a nutshell. The best browser to come up, but with some work still to be done.

greets,

polonus

Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 26, 2006, 11:53:57 PM
Hi folks,

Here is the roadmap to the Flock 1.0 nicknamed Euphonia, an equivalent of the FF 2.0: http://wiki.flock.com/index.php?title=Flock_Roadmap

As the major security add-ons also work inside Flock, the browser can be made safe. But from other posts you can see there were some hick-ups with loading the Media Player plug-in (see my posting on tjis and a cure). There can be some help with some special flushing, and I report later extensively on some memory leaking issues. Anyway I work the Flock browser with the NoScript add-on and the Netcraft toolbar, and I think it is rather secure.

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on February 03, 2007, 04:14:11 PM
Hi malware fighters and users of Flock,

Some users have abandoned Flock, because a Dom Inspector is missing, and they went back to FF 2.0. While testing the Firefox 3.0 Minefield, I still come to the conclusion that Flock is a very stable product. Here is a link to the Flock Dom Inspector: http://extensions.flock.com/extension_detail/8445
Nice extensions for Flock, also with a security aspect can be found here: http://loucypher.wordpress.com/projects/extensions/  e.g: view link source & view source in Tab. Recently added js code for Flock: FlockWebDetective.js, "flock-commands.js, flockMemory-monitor.js, etc. Most FF security extensions can now be forced "on the fly" to work inside Flock. "Total Validator IV" is also a nice extension in the hands of Web Developers. Here you can test the speed in which Elements are released inside your browser, test site for getElementsbyId, link to go can be found here: http://javascript.nwbox.com/getElementsById/
I personally adopted my own version of the following code to make the browser considerably faster: Save this js code under the name of "getElementsByClassName.js" in your folder named components of the Flock or FF browser respectively.
I give it here; then test again with through the test link given above. It was tested, and I became feedback on it from TedNelly and Abraxas, who both found it helpful. This for the record, it was posted at hendrix.mozilla. Here we go:

Code: [Select]
function getElementsByClassName(oElm, strTagName, oClassNames){
    var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
    var arrReturnElements = new Array();
    var arrRegExpClassNames = new Array();
    if(typeof oClassNames == "object"){
        for(var i=0; i<oClassNames.length; i++){
            arrRegExpClassNames.push(new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + oClassNames[i].replace(/\-/g, "\\-") + "(\\s|$)"));
        }
    }
    else{
        arrRegExpClassNames.push(new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + oClassNames.replace(/\-/g, "\\-") + "(\\s|$)"));
    }
    var oElement;
    var bMatchesAll;
    for(var j=0; j<arrElements.length; j++){
        oElement = arrElements[j];
        bMatchesAll = true;
        for(var k=0; k<arrRegExpClassNames.length; k++){
            if(!arrRegExpClassNames[k].test(oElement.className)){
                bMatchesAll = false;
                break;                     
            }
        }
        if(bMatchesAll){
            arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
        }
    }
    return (arrReturnElements)
}
if(typeof Array.prototype.push != "function"){
    Array.prototype.push = ArrayPush;
    function ArrayPush(value){
        this[this.length] = value;
    }
}
    getElementsByClassName(document, "a", "info-links");
    getElementsByClassName(document.getElementById("container"), "div", "col");
    getElementsByClassName(document, "*", "click-me");
    var arrReturnElements = new Array();
    strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
    var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
    var oElement;
    for(var i=0; i<arrElements.length; i++){
        oElement = arrElements[i];     
        if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)){
            arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
        }   
    }
    return (arrReturnElements)
}

Enjoy,

polonus

Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: TedNelly on February 04, 2007, 12:37:46 PM
yes I am using this piece of code supplied by polonus in the FF components folder.
I really don't know a great deal about the code only to say that I have noticed that it seems to improve FF load and page reload quite a bit.
Figured it is worth a try!
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on February 07, 2007, 08:18:37 AM
Hi malware fighters,

Glad I can tell ye that GetElementsByClassName now is implemented in the latest trunk build of the Firefox 3.0 Minefield. Got the download yesterday for I am a tester of this test version. Personally adopted my version of GetElementsByClassName for my version of Flock.
Deerpark is also bringing new security browsing code in the anti-phishing realm:
Anti-phishing now came into the Mozilla browsers in this way. It was originally a Google development that they allowed Mozilla to use: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Phishing_Protection
Although not fully implemented: Open Firefox..type about:config

look for :Network.dns.disableIPv6

Double click to to toggle it to 'true' and then restart Firefox. You should notice a speed increase, page to page.

Same goes for Flock, act along similar lines.
Wwell IPv4 runs on top of the not fully implemented IPv6 it is an improvement, but I also advise people to install the dns sec add-on for Firefox:
http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/dnssec/drill_extension.html

Well that's it, folks,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on May 04, 2007, 08:48:35 PM
Hi Flock users,

Update Flock to version  0.7.13.1,

Polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on May 06, 2007, 08:27:19 PM
Hi users of the Flock browser,

Here is my report on my personal version:
General
This particular version of Firefox supports JavaScript 1.6 and runs on Windows.
Its user agent string is Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.11) Gecko/20070502 (No IDN) Firefox/1.5.0.11 Flock/0.7.13.1.
It has identified itself as a Gecko-based browser.
There are 28 versions and 114 distinct useragents of this browser contained within the database.
The Firefox browser has been found to run on Windows, Linux, BSD, FreeBSD, Macintosh.
Coding guidance
You can use 'document.getElementById' when referencing elements to create DHTML effects. This version of the Firefox browser reports support for 91 properties of the window object , 'status' , 'defaultStatus' among them.
It has 115 properties of the document object , 'title' , 'cookie' , 'URL' being available.
Firefox also reports 19 properties of the navigator object , 'cookieEnabled' , 'javaEnabled' , 'product' , 'appVersion' , 'appName' , 'platform' included.
It has reported support for 10 properties of the screen object , 'width' , 'height' , 'colorDepth' , 'pixelDepth' among them.
Also, there is support for 11 properties of the location object , 'href' , 'replace' , 'port' , 'protocol' included.

This browser supports the "text/javascript; ex4=1" MIME type.
Finally, this version of Firefox has reported excellent support for the W3C Level 2 Document Object Model.

polonus

P.S. Look at Polunus's browser: http://www.seehowitruns.org/pages/viewprop.php?choice=471&prop=2#heading

D
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on December 10, 2007, 10:09:52 PM
Hi malware fighters and Mozilla browser users,

Firefox 1.0 is out for downloading. I still use the 0.7.12 PocketFlock, upgraded with the latest burning edge security patches, because it will run some of the critical extensions I am used to.
One typical benefit of Flock over Firefox I like to mention is that it did not crash on me once. It is a stabler Mozilla type Web 2.0 browser. Read here:
http://www.techcrunch.com/tag/flock

polonus

Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on February 16, 2008, 11:18:40 PM
Hello users of Flock, the Mozilla type Web 2.0 browser,

Upgrade to the latest version:
This is what runs inside my personal Flock browser:

Generated: Sat Feb 16 2008 23:13:26 GMT+0100
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080211 (No IDN) Firefox/2.0.0.12 Flock/1.0.9
Build ID: 1202755430.17247

Enabled Extensions: [52]
- Adblock Plus 0.7.5.3: http://adblockplus.org/
- Adblock Plus: Element Hiding Helper 1.0.2: http://adblockplus.org/
- AdBlockLearner 0.8.2: http://adblocklearner.mozdev.org
- Add N Edit Cookies 0.2.1.0: http://addneditcookies.mozdev.org/
- Advanced Dork: 2.1.8: http://tankedgenius.com/cp/advanceddork/
- All-In-One Search button 1.67: http://www.pcdingo.net
- APNG Edit 1.1: http://www.mozilla.org/
- Bandwidth Tester 0.5.4: http://www.roundtwo.com/product/bandwidthtester
- BuienRadar 0.5: http://mozilla.electronical.nl
- Copy URL + 1.3.2: http://copyurlplus.mozdev.org/
- CustomizeGoogle 0.69: http://www.customizegoogle.com/
- CuteMenus - Crystal SVG 1.9.2: http://www.cutemenuproject.com/
- Dictionary Tooltip 1.1.2: http://www.rjonna.com/ext/dictionarytip.php
- DNSStuff Toolbar 1.6: http://www.google.com/search?q=Flock%20DNSStuff%20Toolbar
- DOM Inspector 1.8.0.1: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/
- Download Statusbar 0.9.5.3: http://downloadstatusbar.mozdev.org/
- Dr.Web anti-virus link checker 1.0.15: http://www.drweb.com/
- FEBE 5.3.1: http://customsoftwareconsult.com/extensions
- FireFTP 0.97.1: http://fireftp.mozdev.org
- Firesomething 1.8.0: http://www.cosmicat.com/
- Go Button Middle Click 0.2: http://loucypher.wordpress.com/projects/extensions/#go-button-middle-click
- Go to WindizUpdate 0.60: http://windizupdate.com/extension/
- httProxy 0.9.3: http://httproxy.mozdev.org/
- Inspect Element 0.3: http://stricto-sensu.net/projets/extensions/inspectelement
- JSView 2.0.4: http://forum.softwareblaze.com
- McAfee SiteAdvisor 26.1: http://www.siteadvisor.com/
- MenuManipulator 20060418.1.1: http://mozilla.dorando.at/
- MiniMapper 0.1: http://www.loisant.org/flock/maps
- MR Tech Local Install 5.3.2.6: http://www.mrtech.com/extensions/local_install/
- netcrafttoolbar 1.1.1.8: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/
- Nightly Tester Tools 1.3b4: http://www.oxymoronical.com/web/firefox/nightly
- NoScript 1.3.2: http://noscript.net
- Nuke Anything 0.2: http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/
- PicLens 1.6.1.1029: http://www.piclens.com/
- ProfilePassword-Firefox 0.3.1: https://nic-nac-project.de/~kaosmos/index-en.html
- SearchWith 0.4.1: http://searchwith.mozdev.org
- Server Spy 0.1.3: http://jacquetc.free.fr/mozilla/exts/ServerSpy/
- Session Manager 0.6.1.10: http://sessionmanager.mozdev.org/
- ShowIP 0.8.05: http://l4x.org/showip
- Stealther 0.99: http://www.zadet.net
- StumbleUpon 3.16: http://www.stumbleupon.com/
- Tamper Data 9.8.1: http://tamperdata.mozdev.org
- TrackMeNot 0.5.17: http://mrl.nyu.edu/~dhowe/TrackMeNot
- TrustWatch Search by GeoTrust 0.2.4: http://www.trustwatch.com/
- User Agent Switcher 0.6.10: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/
- Validaty 1.4.1: http://gemal.dk/mozilla/validaty.html?from=ext-1.4.1
- VideoDownloader 1.0: http://videodownloader.net/
- View Dependencies 0.3.2.2: http://mozilla.queze.net
- View Link Source 0.2.0.2: http://loucypher.wordpress.com/projects/extensions/#view-link-source
- View Source in Tab 0.2.1: http://loucypher.wordpress.com/extensions/
- Vinilator 0.9: http://www.vinilator.com.br
- Web Developer 1.1.4: http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/

Still like the Flock browser, mine is the Pocket version, and it Clears All Private Data after I close it,

polonus
Title: Re: Have you heard of Flock?
Post by: polonus on March 11, 2008, 10:59:44 PM
Hi Flock users,

Here is the link to Flock documentation:
http://lxr.flock.com/doxygen/flock/trunk/main.html

The Flock I run to-day: http://www.seehowitruns.org/pages/browser_details.php?choice=778

polonus