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Title: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: REDACTED on August 04, 2015, 01:48:30 PM
I dislike this new anti-robot logon protection.  The images are far from clear and some are ambiguous.  Perhaps the designer knows which images show swimming pools and which do not but it isn't clear at a glance.  Assuming that forum members are literate, couldn't something less vague be used?
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: Asyn on August 04, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
I dislike this new anti-robot logon protection.
I totally agree..!!!

PS: I wonder why long term forum members need to go trough CAPTCHA now. :o :(
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: Secondmineboy on August 04, 2015, 02:27:44 PM
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PS: I wonder why long term forum members need to go trough CAPTCHA now. :o :(
I would like to know that too :)

This time i had to select wheelchairs.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: abruptum on August 04, 2015, 02:56:29 PM
I can't login with my default browser - Pale Moon anymore, even with Firefox compatibility mode.
I see this :
http://imgur.com/sp9Tfn9

Everything is fine with Cyberfox and Firefox.
Avast, what a mess.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: polonus on August 04, 2015, 03:28:44 PM
Hi abruptum,

They possibly haven't read here: Re: Advantages And Disadvantages Of Using Captcha *
Advantages:

Distinguishes between a human and a machine
Makes online polls more legitimate
Reduces spam and viruses
Makes online shopping safer
Diminishes abuse of free email account services

Disadvantages:

Sometimes very difficult to read
Are not compatible with users with disablilities  (you cannot distinguish between colors as others do)
Time-consuming to decipher
Technical difficulties with certain internet browsers (well you provided the example for that one)
May greatly enhance Artificial Intelligence
(always analyze the page with uMatrix for instance and know what to block immediately of third party content, just depending on Captcha security is relying too much on AI and that is dumbing down users and others).

* link post author = aratiseo

polonus
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: Simion on August 04, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
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I dislike this new anti-robot logon protection.

Agreed. It is a total pain! >:(
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: schmidthouse on August 04, 2015, 05:18:02 PM
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PS: I wonder why long term forum members need to go trough CAPTCHA now. :o :(
I would like to know that too :)

This time i had to select wheelchairs.

I also would like some information from Avast.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: DavidR on August 04, 2015, 05:18:16 PM
I didn't encounter it when it was first introduced, I had to log out (I normally don't) and log back in. I was presented with the logon screen and an option check box I'm a human, etc. and clicked logon and it did. No Captcha screen for me.

I shut my system down at night, when I booted and opened my profile page in firefox 39.0 it just opened the page, no logon or captcha screen.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: Asyn on August 04, 2015, 05:30:55 PM
I didn't encounter it when it was first introduced, I had to log out (I normally don't) and log back in. I was presented with the logon screen and an option check box I'm a human, etc. and clicked logon and it did. No Captcha screen for me.

I shut my system down at night, when I booted and opened my profile page in firefox 39.0 it just opened the page, no logon or captcha screen.
You're lucky Dave, here's an example of what I get everytime I login... :(
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: abruptum on August 04, 2015, 05:47:17 PM
I am not going to change my default browser because of Avast forum.
I don't have any problems with the same type of captcha on Mediafire, so obviously you did
something wrong with this login captcha.
Anyway, why do you think there is need for captcha since we all are logged with our Avast accounts ?
This is totally stupid.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: DavidR on August 04, 2015, 07:13:01 PM
I didn't encounter it when it was first introduced, I had to log out (I normally don't) and log back in. I was presented with the logon screen and an option check box I'm a human, etc. and clicked logon and it did. No Captcha screen for me.

I shut my system down at night, when I booted and opened my profile page in firefox 39.0 it just opened the page, no logon or captcha screen.
You're lucky Dave, here's an example of what I get everytime I login... :(

God, that first one looks like someone has been sick.

With the exception of a few they could be almost anything.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: mchain on August 04, 2015, 07:17:40 PM
I am not going to change my default browser because of Avast forum.
I don't have any problems with the same type of captcha on Mediafire, so obviously you did
something wrong with this login captcha.
Anyway, why do you think there is need for captcha since we all are logged with our Avast accounts ?
This is totally stupid.

Can't really say why we need a general CAPTCHA but have seen a miniscule number of users saying they can't log in using their account name (you know what I mean) and password here over the past three weeks or so.  Something changed for them and maybe avast has taken the steps needed to prevent this from happening to more of us in the future.  If so, kudos for taking this step before it became a major issue.

Just speculation on my part, tho.  Would be nice if avast would take the time to announce why this was done.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: DavidR on August 04, 2015, 07:31:54 PM
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Can't really say why we need a general CAPTCHA but have seen a miniscule number of users saying they can't log in using their account name (you know what I mean) and password here over the past three weeks or so.  Something changed for them and maybe avast has taken the steps needed to prevent this from happening to more of us in the future.  If so, kudos for taking this step before it became a major issue.

Just speculation on my part, tho.  Would be nice if avast would take the time to announce why this was done.

I would say that your speculation would be incorrect.

My thinking that is introducing the Captcha wouldn't stop those people having difficulty logging on as they still have to enter the username/email and password. Then they have the additional step of captcha.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: mchain on August 04, 2015, 07:42:48 PM
Well, it would be a nice thing if we had the info and could avoid speculation in the first place.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: REDACTED on August 04, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
There is an assumption that the user is familiar with what is shown in the images.  I don't know my noodles from my pasta.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: REDACTED on August 04, 2015, 09:34:56 PM
Well, I would like to know from the Devs, why those, who were working on this haven't created an extra and secure invironment for testing instead of testing it with a running system!
 >:(
HDW
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: bob3160 on August 04, 2015, 09:37:18 PM
Well, I would like to know from the Devs, why those, who were working on this haven't created an extra and secure invironment for testing instead of testing it with a running system!
 >:(
HDW
The question has been asked of Avast. Guess we'll need to wait and see if they post a reply.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: abruptum on August 06, 2015, 08:24:08 PM
OK, I see that captcha is removed, but login still doesn't work in Pale Moon, so maybe this is my last post since as I said
before I am not going to change my default browser because of Avast forum.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: kls490 on August 06, 2015, 09:32:10 PM
For what it's worth...

     I experienced major problems trying to log-in to my Avast! account here yesterday (via FF browser).  As has already been mentioned...the images are far from being clear.  In addition, FF also displayed a Clickjack warning as well.  After fiddling around with everything for quite some time...I was finally able to access my forum account again.

...Just my 2-cents worth.

Regards everyone.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: REDACTED on August 07, 2015, 12:25:04 PM

Since August 5 at noon I can login normal again with mailaddress and PW (without CAPCHA!). So, this came to an end.
 :)
HDW
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: abruptum on August 09, 2015, 08:07:18 PM
About Avast account login problem from Pale Moon forum (answer by PM developer - Moonchild) :

http://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9087
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: schmidthouse on August 09, 2015, 08:41:07 PM
About Avast account login problem from Pale Moon forum (answer by PM developer - Moonchild) :

http://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9087

Interesting information I think.
Title: Re: Forum logon Captcha
Post by: midnight on August 09, 2015, 10:12:55 PM
This is all I see when I went to avast.com on Pale Moon.