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Title: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: MartinZ on August 28, 2015, 04:20:30 PM
Hi all,

New beta version is released: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta 1 (build number 2015.10.4.2227).
This is mainly bug-fixing release, no new features are introduced. New SafeZone is postponed to next version 2016, which scheduled for autumn.

Changes
- Better server selection list in SecureLine
- Fixed: Cleanup to stucked on 99%
- Fixed: Problems with HTTPS certificates in Firefox after upgrade to Windows 10
- Fixed: Firewall not started after upgrade to Windows 10
- Fixed: Cleanup to report leftover files, when software was just updated and not uninstalled (e.g. Skype, Java)

How to install:

1. If you have installed some beta version before you can update it to this latest version via Settings->Update->Program.

2. Or you can download and install from here:

http://files.avast.com/beta9x/avast_free_antivirus_setup.exe

http://files.avast.com/beta9x/avast_pro_antivirus_setup.exe

http://files.avast.com/beta9x/avast_internet_security_setup.exe

http://files.avast.com/beta9x/avast_premier_antivirus_setup.exe


How to provide feedback
Please for specific issues set a new topic in the Beta section (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=15.0). For general open discussion feel free to use this thread.

Avast cleaner:
http://files.avast.com/beta9x/avastclear.exe

It should be possible to install this version on top of your existing avast! installation (all settings should be preserved).

To report BSODs, crashes or any other none trivial problems please use new SupportPackage generating tool.
- http://utils.support.tools.avast.com/tools/support/utils/avastsupport.exe

Instructions how to use it can be easily found:
- https://www.avast.com/en-us/faq.php?article=AVKB33#artTitle



We are looking forward for your feedback!

Thank you
Avast team
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: DavidR on August 28, 2015, 04:44:00 PM
Not best pleased about the change to my update program settings yet again. Changed to Auto Program Update not my normal setting of Ask when an update is available. This has been my preferred setting (and the default for many years) for over 11 years of using avast.

Doesn't seem top have anything related to the system lockup issues in winXP reported in many topics since 10.3.2223 or the chkdsk issue in some OS versions from the same version.

Given what is included in this beta I could or may have given it a miss - as none of it appears to effect my systems - if only my settings hadn't been bl00dy changed to Auto Program Update yet again
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: NON on August 28, 2015, 04:48:25 PM
Thanks for the update! :)

Unfortunately chkdsk issue does not seem to be resolved. Still got an error.

@DavidR
I suppose it is because you are in the beta stream, as beta release always been automatically updated to the latest since R3 beta.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: DavidR on August 28, 2015, 04:52:06 PM
Thanks for the update! :)

Unfortunately chkdsk issue does not seem to be resolved. Still got an error.

@DavidR
I suppose it is because you are in the beta stream, as beta release always been automatically updated to the latest since R3 beta.

Beta stream or not, the settings are being overridden - if this is to be the case for betas - I will abandon the beta stream and do a clean install on the next regular release.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Rednose on August 28, 2015, 05:11:43 PM
No new SafeZone :'( :'( :'(

@David I had it once with an old Beta, that the update settings were changed from Ask when an update available to Automatic update, but not anymore.

Greetz, Red
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: MartinZ on August 28, 2015, 05:28:47 PM
Hi DavidR,

that's strange because we changed the Settings just once. For sure please change your Settings to Manual.

I hope you understand that for beta testing we need as many users as possible on the latest version, otherwise it's really not beta testing ;-)

Martin
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: DavidR on August 28, 2015, 05:40:13 PM
No new SafeZone :'( :'( :'(

@David I had it once with an old Beta, that the update settings were changed from Ask when an update available to Automatic update, but not anymore.

Greetz, Red

This is the second or third time this has happened and after each time I change the settings back only for it to be ignored.

Hi DavidR,

that's strange because we changed the Settings just once. For sure please change your Settings to Manual.

I hope you understand that for beta testing we need as many users as possible on the latest version, otherwise it's really not beta testing ;-)

Martin

I would rather the settings remained at what I set them to which is effectively Ask - that way I'm aware of it and can do the program update at a time which is convenient to me and that would include beta builds

In over 11 years of using avast I have participated in all of them bar one, so I don't need to be pushed, just informed.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: bob3160 on August 28, 2015, 06:24:36 PM
Since non of the fixes ever effected me, I don't really see a need for using the Beta unless
there's something new or some added security in this beta ???
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Secondmineboy on August 28, 2015, 06:31:38 PM
I hope there will be much better security in Avast 2016 :)

And not more bloatwares........
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Asyn on August 28, 2015, 06:33:52 PM
Testing it asap...

PS: No auto-update here.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: REDACTED on August 28, 2015, 07:43:28 PM
This afternoon avast reminded me there is a new version on standby to be installed. Avast is set to "remind me" and that is what it did.
Made my update to beta version .2227 and everything is workng like it did before. No snags!
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: irongod on August 28, 2015, 10:13:21 PM
Updated on Win10... Firewall does not go live!  :'(  with .2225 never had the problem!
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: bob3160 on August 28, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
Updated on Win10... Firewall does not go live!  :'(  with .2225 never had the problem!
First thing to try is a simple REBOOT of your system.

If that doesn't work, do a Repair of Avast.
Program and Features> Select Avast> Select Repair.
When finished, reboot the system.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: irongod on August 28, 2015, 11:11:48 PM
Updated on Win10... Firewall does not go live!  :'(  with .2225 never had the problem!
First thing to try is a simple REBOOT of your system.

If that doesn't work, do a Repair of Avast.
Program and Features> Select Avast> Select Repair.
When finished, reboot the system.

Tnx!  ... ;D already did that: reboot did not work, while repair worked (even without reboot  ??? )!
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: bob3160 on August 29, 2015, 12:29:34 AM
Glad your problem is fixed. :)
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Rednose on August 29, 2015, 03:21:22 AM
Since non of the fixes ever effected me, I don't really see a need for using the Beta unless
there's something new or some added security in this beta ???

You could just check if the fixes in the Beta doesn't cause you new issues ::)

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Be Secure on August 29, 2015, 03:44:27 AM
Since non of the fixes ever effected me, I don't really see a need for using the Beta unless
there's something new or some added security in this beta ???
Same here ;D Only one thing private firewall is not compatible with beta version .2227 in windows 10 pro 64bit.Keep stuck windows exporer.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Rednose on August 29, 2015, 03:51:10 AM
@Be Secure

Same answer to you as to Bob : Fixes can also cause new problems. So no excuse ;D

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Be Secure on August 29, 2015, 03:53:27 AM
@Be Secure

Same answer to you as to Bob : Fixes can also cause new problems. So no excuse ;D

Greetz, Red.
Issue with avast! and private firewall  beta version .2227.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Rednose on August 29, 2015, 03:58:29 AM
But I beleve Private Firewall has not been maintained/updated for a long time.
That can be a problem too :-\

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Be Secure on August 29, 2015, 04:02:05 AM
But I beleve Private Firewall has not been maintained/updated for a long time.
That can be a problem too :-\

Greetz, Red.
what else am i used with free avast!?
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Rednose on August 29, 2015, 04:11:16 AM
Ah ok ! Good to know it is still under development :)

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: dbrisendine on August 29, 2015, 05:17:29 AM
Issue with Home Network Security scan on Win10 Home x64.

Smart Scan finds:
(http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/p785/dbreeze2/Avast%20Info/Smart%20Scan%20result%202015-08-28_191902_zps0enfzaqo.png)

Resolve All Results =>

(http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/p785/dbreeze2/Avast%20Info/Smart%20Scan%20resolve%202015-08-28_192059_zpso87usobm.png)

Rescan after that ( because everything looks good right?) =>

(http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/p785/dbreeze2/Avast%20Info/Rescan%20after%20resolve%202015-08-28_192431_zpsv9oswtsa.png)

Here's the weird part; a separate, stand alone (not part of the Smart Scan) Home Network Scan produces this =>

(http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/p785/dbreeze2/Avast%20Info/Home%20Network%20Security%20scan%20results%202015-08-28_195326_zpsl4bdjqce.png)


Couple of points:
1)  Why does the Smart Scan produce different results on the Network Scan than just running it by itself?
2)  Smart Scan Network Scan shows only two devices connected to the network.
3)  Stand alone Network Scan shows 5 devices connected.
4)  Why does the "resolve / fix" not update or correct anything in the Smart Scan results?
5)  2 vs 5 ?

Anyone else see this kind of problems?  This is after a repair of the installation and several reboots but thanks for suggesting anyway.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: YLAP on August 29, 2015, 09:18:14 AM
Tnx!  ... ;D already did that: reboot did not work, while repair worked (even without reboot  ??? )!

Repair always does it's job. I had this situation for a numerous time before ;)
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: DavidR on August 29, 2015, 03:47:33 PM
Issue with Home Network Security scan on Win10 Home x64.

Smart Scan finds:
(http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/p785/dbreeze2/Avast%20Info/Smart%20Scan%20result%202015-08-28_191902_zps0enfzaqo.png)
<snip>
<snip>
<snip>
Couple of points:
1)  Why does the Smart Scan produce different results on the Network Scan than just running it by itself?
2)  Smart Scan Network Scan shows only two devices connected to the network.
3)  Stand alone Network Scan shows 5 devices connected.
4)  Why does the "resolve / fix" not update or correct anything in the Smart Scan results?
5)  2 vs 5 ?

Anyone else see this kind of problems?  This is after a repair of the installation and several reboots but thanks for suggesting anyway.

This problem existed in the last 10.3.2225 and possibly 2223 also and was reported.
My findings previously matched yours Resolve All was fine, but run a Smart Scan again and it reported issues. I didn't run an independent Home Network scan, but doing so this time (without having used the Resolve all) returns everything OK.
Looks like it hasn't been fixed.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: REDACTED on August 29, 2015, 10:21:01 PM
No new SafeZone :'( :'( :'(

@David I had it once with an old Beta, that the update settings were changed from Ask when an update available to Automatic update, but not anymore.

Greetz, Red

Hi Red!

I confirm. My W8.1 laptop is (as avast! updated automatically from free '10.3.2225 BETA' to free '10.3.2227' BETA), nearly unuseabl.
How can I avoid the automatic update?

@MartinZ
This unlucky update came too early and at the wrong moment (weekend and only a few Evangelists are online).

HDW
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: REDACTED on August 30, 2015, 12:02:22 AM
None of the fixes on the changelog seem to be related with the problems that I have with avast and Windows 10. And I seem to not be the only one:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=174845
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=174748

Also, is it possible to install this Beta and than, once a stable version is released stay on that stable version?


Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: bob3160 on August 30, 2015, 12:05:40 AM
None of the fixes on the changelog seem to be related with the problems that I have with avast and Windows 10. And I seem to not be the only one:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=174845 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=174845)
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=174748 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=174748)

Also, is it possible to install this Beta and than, once a stable version is released stay on that stable version?
If you do a clean install once the stable version comes out. :)
If you simply update from the beta to the full version, you'll receive the next beta once it's released. :)
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: CraigB on August 30, 2015, 06:32:42 AM
Ah ok ! Good to know it is still under development :)

Greetz, Red.
It's not under development, the last version of Private Firewall was 7.0.30.3 and was released well over a year ago...not something that should be used on Win10 imo or probably any other system unless there is active development.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Be Secure on August 30, 2015, 07:50:34 AM
What firewall should i use with Avast! free?Any help is welcome.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: CraigB on August 30, 2015, 10:34:43 AM
What firewall should i use with Avast! free?Any help is welcome.
There is nothing wrong with the Windows firewall if you want a free solution, other than that you can use Google to search the net for firewall reviews or look on the Wilders security forum.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Vladimyr on August 30, 2015, 12:09:49 PM
What firewall should i use with Avast! free?Any help is welcome.

Tinywall (http://tinywall.pados.hu/) is a useful control interface for Windows Firewall.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Para-Noid on August 31, 2015, 03:34:19 PM
FYI, Private Firewall is "not" Win10 compatible and there are no indications that it will be further updated.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Be Secure on August 31, 2015, 04:35:02 PM
FYI, Private Firewall is "not" Win10 compatible and there are no indications that it will be further updated.
Pls see@Para-Noid.
http://www.privacyware.com/
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: CraigB on August 31, 2015, 04:50:47 PM
FYI, Private Firewall is "not" Win10 compatible and there are no indications that it will be further updated.
Pls see@Para-Noid.
http://www.privacyware.com/
It doesn't really matter what tag they've decided to attach, there hasn't been an update to PrivateFirewall in over a year so claiming Win10 compatibility is false and misleading.

Your choice to use if you want but you have been warned.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Be Secure on August 31, 2015, 04:57:52 PM
FYI, Private Firewall is "not" Win10 compatible and there are no indications that it will be further updated.
Pls see@Para-Noid.
http://www.privacyware.com/
It doesn't really matter what tag they've decided to attach, there hasn't been an update to PrivateFirewall in over a year so claiming Win10 compatibility is false and misleading.

Your choice to use if you want but you have been warned.
I am just install it on Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 10532.It just doing great job! It is not false.I went to Wilders security forum and conformed that.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: CraigB on August 31, 2015, 05:02:52 PM
As I said it's your choice, I certainly wouldn't be using software that no longer seems supported.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: bob3160 on August 31, 2015, 06:14:57 PM
As I said it's your choice, I certainly wouldn't be using software that no longer seems supported.
Especially when the Windows 10 firewall does an excellent job and is totally trouble free. :)
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: heikwith on September 01, 2015, 03:35:04 PM
Via Avast Ticket: #MCN-504-92599 we found out that my problems with internet and downloads in Vista was a collision between Avast 10.3.2225 and HitmanPro Alert.
As far a I know this problem was not analized.
So we now do not know if this is a bug in Avast or HitmanPro Alert of both.
I got only this answer:
####

We do not recommend you to use more than one security application on one computer. This can cause a lot of conflict.
You should uninstall HitmanPro.
Anyway, new program version has been released this week Avast 2015 R4 beta 1 (build number 2015.10.4.2227). 
........
Miroslav Jenšík
 Technical Support Engineer
 AVAST Software s.r.o.

####
So they do not even know the difference between HitmanPro and  HitmanPro Alert

In this answer it is suggested to test the problem in my Vista system with 10.4.2227.

MartinZ,
In your list of changes I do not see anything that has to do with my problem in Vista.
Can you approve that in Avast 10.4.2227 something is changed in relation to my severe problem.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: essexboy on September 01, 2015, 03:39:53 PM
Hitman pro uses very low level drivers and may well conflict with Avasts low level drivers.  There is no difference between HitmanPro and  HitmanPro Alert
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Para-Noid on September 01, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
@ Be Secure   Private Firewall is no longer supported for Win10. There are no plans at this time for further development of PFW.
                      This is information I received via email from Privacyware about a month before Win10 was released.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: bob3160 on September 01, 2015, 05:45:27 PM
Hitman pro uses very low level drivers and may well conflict with Avasts low level drivers.  There is no difference between HitmanPro and  HitmanPro Alert
I reported a long time ago that HitmanPro actually kills Avast. Apparently it's still happening.  :'(
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: essexboy on September 01, 2015, 06:42:28 PM
Hitman pro also kills systems if used injudiciously
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: REDACTED on September 01, 2015, 10:38:14 PM
Solved my issues with Office 2013 (more specific Word/Excell), no issue up till now with 'Automatic Update'.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Azure Phoenix on September 04, 2015, 05:32:25 AM
Hitman pro uses very low level drivers and may well conflict with Avasts low level drivers.  There is no difference between HitmanPro and  HitmanPro Alert
I'm curious, do you know what kind of product HitmanPro.Alert is?
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Pondus on September 04, 2015, 11:04:42 AM
Hitman pro uses very low level drivers and may well conflict with Avasts low level drivers.  There is no difference between HitmanPro and  HitmanPro Alert
I'm curious, do you know what kind of product HitmanPro.Alert is?
Exploit detector/blocker

Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: REDACTED on September 04, 2015, 12:27:58 PM
I hope my test result helps also a little bit.

https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=174286.msg1249115#msg1249115





Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: REDACTED on September 04, 2015, 03:15:42 PM
Mine just updated to 2015-10.4.2228 ? Why no mention of it here?
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: MartinZ on September 04, 2015, 03:37:51 PM
Stay tuned, there is more coming ;-)
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: REDACTED on September 04, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/TK-1913/AIS_zps5vzwo11v.png) (http://s20.photobucket.com/user/TK-1913/media/AIS_zps5vzwo11v.png.html)

I had this same msg on the first Beta.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Rednose on September 04, 2015, 04:37:59 PM
Stay tuned, there is more coming ;-)

More than just this new 2228 Beta build ?

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: bob3160 on September 04, 2015, 04:41:27 PM
Stay tuned, there is more coming ;-)
Not all of us are able to update to 2228. :)
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176029.msg1249157#msg1249157 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176029.msg1249157#msg1249157)
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: REDACTED on September 04, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
You may be a lucky one..
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: bob3160 on September 04, 2015, 05:12:38 PM
You may be a lucky one..
If you have a problem, ask your question. If you don't, it's a very strange comment. ???
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: REDACTED on September 04, 2015, 05:23:05 PM
You may be a lucky one..
If you have a problem, ask your question. If you don't, it's a very strange comment. ???

I do not have a problem you do. You were not able to upgrade. All I said was that you may be the lucky one.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: Rednose on September 04, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
I have just updated to 2228, and now build 2229 is available ???
Wtf is happening :P

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: MartinZ on September 04, 2015, 05:29:22 PM
Hi gyus, explanation here:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176033.0

Bob I hope you are able to update now.
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: bob3160 on September 04, 2015, 06:35:38 PM
Hi gyus, explanation here:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176033.0 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176033.0)

Bob I hope you are able to update now.
The update function still only gave me an update to 2228 which never completed and resulted in a server error.
I downloaded the 2229 installation file and installed it manually without a problem. :)
Title: Re: NEW: AVAST 2015 R4 Beta (2015.10.4.2227)
Post by: DavidR on September 04, 2015, 08:33:17 PM
Hi gyus, explanation here:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176033.0 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176033.0)

Bob I hope you are able to update now.
The update function still only gave me an update to 2228 which never completed and resulted in a server error.
I downloaded the 2229 installation file and installed it manually without a problem. :)

Lucky you Bob, I wasn't meant to get 2229 on this XP system, but I got both 2228 and 2229 and both installed without issue. Then I get notified of another update (or downgrade) to 2228, but trying to do so results in the usual your have the latest version.