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Title: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 20, 2015, 10:53:54 PM
I've managed to download EICAR test file over SSL connection and nothing happened, I can even double click to run it.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 08:16:43 AM
The same thing is happening to me. All shields are active at my end. I am using PPPOE connection.
The following is the direct download link.
https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: Staticguy on September 21, 2015, 11:49:32 AM
I downloaded that file and i right-clicked that file and I manually scanned it by Avast.

Do a repair of avast via add/remove. Follow instructions. After repair has been done, do a system restart.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 12:16:07 PM
My avast can detect a threat when I do a manual scan, but it detects nothing when I download and run it.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: Staticguy on September 21, 2015, 12:27:31 PM
Ok. I will report this post to admin so an avast member can have a look at it.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 01:30:57 PM
When I click on the 'eicar.com' file, the avast icon in the system tray does rotate, showing that real-time scanning is working. However, it detects no threat.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 04:21:42 PM
I tried it on a fresh windows install, but the problem still exists.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 04:26:59 PM
It seems that the problem does not lie at our end.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 04:40:15 PM
Before Avast, Kaspersky was installed. Does it help?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on September 21, 2015, 04:41:38 PM
Before Avast, Kaspersky was installed. Does it help?
The question now is "How was Kaspersky removed" ???
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
I tried it on a fresh windows install, but the problem still exists.
If so, I think the problem has nothing to do with Kaspersky.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on September 21, 2015, 04:48:42 PM
I tried it on a fresh windows install, but the problem still exists.
If so, I think the problem has nothing to do with Kaspersky.
Unless the fresh install came from the original manufacturers image which included a trial of Kaspersky....
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
I have just installed 360 Total Security, which can detect the threat when I click on the following link: https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com

Avast is still on my computer but has been disabled.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on September 21, 2015, 04:56:38 PM
I have just installed 360 Total Security, which can detect the threat when I click on the following link: https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com (https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com)

Avast is still on my computer but has been disabled.
My results when I click on your link:
(http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1442847370233-39470.png)
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 04:57:26 PM
No, it's on a different HDD, but it's not mine so I can't access it right now. (Actually, I can not be sure it's clean, but there were no antivirus software installed, so i considered it a fresh install. My mistake, sorry.) I removed Kaspersky via add/remove programs, but then the web shield did not work, so I uninstalled everything, used KAV remover, then installed Avast again.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 05:00:28 PM
(Actually, I can not be sure it's clean, but there were no antivirus software installed, so i considered it a fresh install. My mistake, sorry.)
Then the problem has nothing to do with Kaspersky.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on September 21, 2015, 05:03:01 PM
(Actually, I can not be sure it's clean, but there were no antivirus software installed, so i considered it a fresh install. My mistake, sorry.)
Then the problem has nothing to do with Kaspersky.
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176722.msg1253260#msg1253260
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 21, 2015, 05:18:05 PM
Last year I removed Microsoft Security Essentials and then installed Avast, which could work properly, so I think a previous AV should not be the cause of the problem.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: Coolmario88 on September 21, 2015, 10:08:00 PM
Last night It let me download eicar over HTTPS without detection. But It did get detected upon opening the download folder
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: DavidR on September 21, 2015, 10:19:09 PM
Last night It let me download eicar over HTTPS without detection. But It did get detected upon opening the download folder

A lot depends on exactly which eicar test you download, .txt files and some multiple zipped/rar archives won't be scanned as they don't present an immediate risk as the eicar.com file would/should.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: 1234ava on September 22, 2015, 12:03:06 AM
I have just installed 360 Total Security, which can detect the threat when I click on the following link: https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com (https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com)

Avast is still on my computer but has been disabled.
My results when I click on your link:
(http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1442847370233-39470.png)

Same here, the first time I tried.

The second time, the connection was disconnected.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: MartinZ on September 22, 2015, 10:20:30 AM
Hi guys, the problem is in us. Will fix it soon.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 22, 2015, 11:42:43 AM
Please notify me as soon as you have fixed the problem.
I will keep using 360 Total Security as a stopgap until your notification.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on September 22, 2015, 02:50:14 PM
Please notify me as soon as you have fixed the problem.
I will keep using 360 Total Security as a stopgap until your notification.
Sorry but your reply makes not sense.
There's nothing wrong with Avast's protection. The fix has nothing to do with giving you more or less protection.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 22, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Do you mean the problem has to do only with 'eicar.com' but not with real viruses?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on September 22, 2015, 02:58:18 PM
Do you mean the problem has to do only with 'eicar.com' but not with real viruses?
That's correct. :)
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 22, 2015, 03:02:27 PM
How did you know that?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 22, 2015, 09:40:56 PM
I see the URL is now blacklisted, but is it a correct solution?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on September 22, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
I see the URL is now blacklisted, but is it a correct solution?
??? what do you mean blacklisted ???
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 22, 2015, 11:10:46 PM
The "https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com" is on a blacklist and immediately blocked by the web shield even the file can not be analyzed right there.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on September 22, 2015, 11:13:48 PM
The "https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com (https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com)" is on a blacklist and immediately blocked by the web shield even the file can not be analyzed right there.
It is a test file designed to test your AV and see if it blocks it. It is not a virus. There is nothing to analyze.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 22, 2015, 11:26:10 PM
There is a huge difference between blocking an URL or downloading the file, analyzing it, and recognizing that this is the test file what is supposed to be marked as an infected one and handle it that way, while the user is also warned about it.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on September 22, 2015, 11:30:22 PM
There is a huge difference between blocking an URL or downloading the file, analyzing it, and recognizing that this is the test file what is supposed to be marked as an infected one and handle it that way, while the user is also warned about it.
This certainly isn't blocking the URL:
(http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1442847370233-39470.png)
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 22, 2015, 11:32:40 PM
Thank you, but on MY system, only the web shield blocked it.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: DavidR on September 22, 2015, 11:49:29 PM
The "https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com" is on a blacklist and immediately blocked by the web shield even the file can not be analyzed right there.

The site isn't blocked or on a black list, clicking on the link you gave is essentially downloading the file. The web shield is scanning the file as it is downloaded to your system and alerts on it as it should and aborts the connection.

If you went to the eicar.org site first  and it was on a blacklist or blocked then you wouldn't even get there to manually download the file.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 01:24:35 AM
Today afternoon the http://www.eicar.org/85-0-Download.html address was available, but clicking on the https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com was blocked immediately by the web shield. Now, I had to uninstall Avast, but gave it a try on another system where the business suite is installed, and the result is the same:
The test file can not be downloaded for analysis because it's blocked. (I restarted the system after update.)

I can still double click on the previously downloaded file and nothing will happen.

I know it should be in the business product section, but the problem is the same, please move it if neccessary.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 11:57:30 AM
Exactly the same is happening at my end, gj_sp.

If I turn on 'Block malware URLs' in 'Web Shield', the following screenshot will pop up and the website will be blocked, i.e. the URL has been blacklisted.
If I turn off 'Block malware URLs' in 'Web Shield', Avast will do nothing to stop it, i.e. 'eicar.com' can be successfully downloaded, saved and run.

My worry is that, if a real virus is on a site whose URL has not been blacklisted, will Avast allow downloading it when 'Block malware URLs' has been turned off?

By the way, gj_sp, can you change your user interface language to English, so that we can understand your screenshots? I have changed mine from Chinese into English.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 01:09:58 PM
Yes, it's my concern too. Of course I can change it, but I hope the important part of the screenshot is understandable.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 01:13:15 PM
I don't understand your second screenshot.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 01:31:34 PM
Oh, sorry, I double clicked on eicar.com, and Windows asked me whether I want to run it or not. Just wanted to show that Avast did nothing.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 01:47:00 PM
I am worrying that Avast will still do nothing when it is a real virus.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 02:05:06 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: igor on September 23, 2015, 04:16:40 PM
What operating system do you have - 32bit or 64bit?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: essexboy on September 23, 2015, 04:26:36 PM
The link posted goes direct to the eicar.com file so it will be blocked by webshield
The main Eicar page can be accessed but the minute you try to download any of the files you get blocked as is to be expected
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: Pondus on September 23, 2015, 04:41:20 PM
Eicar website   http://www.eicar.org/  (should not be blocked)

Eicar website with files info  http://www.eicar.org/85-0-Download.html  (should not be blocked)




Direct download links using the standard protocol http

eicar.com       http://www.eicar.org/download/eicar.com
eicar.com.txt  http://www.eicar.org/download/eicar.com.txt
eicar_com.zip  http://www.eicar.org/download/eicar_com.zip
eicarcom2.zip  http://www.eicar.org/download/eicarcom2.zip

Direct download links using the secure, SSL enabled protocol https

eicar.com        https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com
eicar.com.txt  https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com.txt
eicar_com.zip  https://secure.eicar.org/eicar_com.zip
eicarcom2.zip  https://secure.eicar.org/eicarcom2.zip




Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 04:50:07 PM
What operating system do you have - 32bit or 64bit?
Mine is 64bit.

When I have turned off 'Block malware URLs' in 'Web Shield', 'File System Shield' will do nothing to block 'eicar.com', which can thus be downloaded, saved and run.

Is it acceptable?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: Pondus on September 23, 2015, 05:04:04 PM
after you have saved it ... if you right click on it and scan, what happens then?

Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 05:05:01 PM
It can detect a threat. See https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176722.msg1253178#msg1253178
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: Pondus on September 23, 2015, 05:10:45 PM
i think that is correct as it is just a txt string, i dont think .com file (MS-DOS) run on Win10

will see when Igor is back with a reply

Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: igor on September 23, 2015, 05:22:12 PM
Yes, Eicar isn't detected "on execution" (i.e. when you doubleclick on it) on 64bit operating systems because it's a DOS COM file and there isn't any 16bit subsystem on 64bit Windows that would be able to execute it. So there is no execution being started, Avast isn't called to scan the file and the file isn't detected (Windows just gives you an error that the file cannot be started).

That's as expected and it's nothing to worry about. It would be detected on 32bit operating systems (because it can be started there), and it doesn't mean that Avast isn't scanning for viruses (those that actually can be started).
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: gatocan2066 on September 23, 2015, 05:32:50 PM
Well now works on https eicar as always, he was wrong not perhaps some correcion of virus databases.  ;D ;D ;D

tested on my 2 pc with Avast Free 10/04/2233
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 05:34:54 PM
Is there a test virus that can run on 64-bit Windows, which is becoming common nowadays?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: igor on September 23, 2015, 05:48:12 PM
I'm not aware of any.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 23, 2015, 07:13:31 PM
Mine is 64 bit too.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: 1234ava on September 24, 2015, 12:26:37 AM
Yes, Eicar isn't detected "on execution" (i.e. when you doubleclick on it) on 64bit operating systems because it's a DOS COM file and there isn't any 16bit subsystem on 64bit Windows that would be able to execute it. So there is no execution being started, Avast isn't called to scan the file and the file isn't detected (Windows just gives you an error that the file cannot be started).

That's as expected and it's nothing to worry about. It would be detected on 32bit operating systems (because it can be started there), and it doesn't mean that Avast isn't scanning for viruses (those that actually can be started).

What if Eicar.com is run in dosbox on a 64bit Windows?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on September 24, 2015, 03:04:23 AM
Yes, Eicar isn't detected "on execution" (i.e. when you doubleclick on it) on 64bit operating systems because it's a DOS COM file and there isn't any 16bit subsystem on 64bit Windows that would be able to execute it. So there is no execution being started, Avast isn't called to scan the file and the file isn't detected (Windows just gives you an error that the file cannot be started).

That's as expected and it's nothing to worry about. It would be detected on 32bit operating systems (because it can be started there), and it doesn't mean that Avast isn't scanning for viruses (those that actually can be started).

What if Eicar.com is run in dosbox on a 64bit Windows?
You're the curious one so why don't you try it.
I think this topic has beaten itself to death. Time to end it.
All the questions on something that only required one answer have already been answered. :)
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on September 24, 2015, 08:31:21 AM
bob3160 is using 64-bit Windows, and his File System Shield blocks eicar.com.
I am also using 64-bit Windows, but my File System Shield does not block eicar.com.

Why?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: 1234ava on September 24, 2015, 10:19:51 AM
Yes, Eicar isn't detected "on execution" (i.e. when you doubleclick on it) on 64bit operating systems because it's a DOS COM file and there isn't any 16bit subsystem on 64bit Windows that would be able to execute it. So there is no execution being started, Avast isn't called to scan the file and the file isn't detected (Windows just gives you an error that the file cannot be started).

That's as expected and it's nothing to worry about. It would be detected on 32bit operating systems (because it can be started there), and it doesn't mean that Avast isn't scanning for viruses (those that actually can be started).

What if Eicar.com is run in dosbox on a 64bit Windows?
You're the curious one so why don't you try it.
[...]

Because... I was posting at 12:26:37 AM  :D

Now I've just tried, and Avast did not detect Eicar.com execution in Dosbox on my 64bit Windows.
I guess such behavior is expected, is that right Igor?

EDIT:
After a while I've noticed "Virus Found ... Process PID 4292", see screenshot below.
Perhaps, Avast does not detect execution but it detects the Dosbox process using the file anyway.


And, Avast DOES detect eicar.com when I download it.

Bob, I don't care about Eicar.com as such, but I am curious because I have some old DOS and WIN 16bit programs which I might execute  in virtual boxes sometimes.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: MartinZ on September 24, 2015, 01:11:25 PM
The issue is fixed now.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: igor on September 24, 2015, 02:11:08 PM
bob3160 is using 64-bit Windows, and his File System Shield blocks eicar.com.
I am also using 64-bit Windows, but my File System Shield does not block eicar.com.

The blocking on Bob's machine was caused by the file being written to / created - that works. Just the execution doesn't as the file cannot actually be started.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on October 04, 2015, 09:04:53 AM
The issue is fixed now.
Now, on my 64-bit Windows, eicar.com will be blocked only by Web Shield but not by File System Shield. Can it be fixed too?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: Pondus on October 04, 2015, 10:14:27 AM
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176722.msg1253934#msg1253934


Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on October 04, 2015, 10:24:00 AM
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176722.msg1253934#msg1253934
Surely, I have read the above post.
But File System Shield could block eicar.com when bob3160 clicked on https://secure.eicar.org/eicar.com
He just clicked on it but not wrote or created anything, see https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176722.msg1253260#msg1253260

My File System Shield does not do the same at my end.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: igor on October 04, 2015, 11:06:42 AM
The screenshot itself shows that the file was detected when created or modified - so it wasn't detected when clicked on.
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: REDACTED on October 04, 2015, 11:22:54 AM
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176722.msg1253260#msg1253260

bob3160, according to your above post, did you just click on the eicar link before the file was detected?  Or did you do something else to create or modify the eicar file?
Title: Re: eicar over ssl
Post by: bob3160 on October 04, 2015, 02:44:08 PM
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176722.msg1253260#msg1253260 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=176722.msg1253260#msg1253260)

bob3160, according to your above post, did you just click on the eicar link before the file was detected?  Or did you do something else to create or modify the eicar file?
I think my reply was pretty clear. I clicked on the link and posted a screenshot of the message I received from Avast.