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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: 1600e on December 08, 2005, 03:48:05 PM
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Hey guys, is it me or have the guys at symantec pulled the sygate forums? i know some of you clever guys use or used to use it? i still am at the moment
cheers D :) :)
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As far as I know, Sygate has been discontinued by Symantec. They bought it, but also they shut it down... so closing some of those forums was kind of expected somehow. I don't know...
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yep symantics bought it and promtly droped the sygate elements but the forum remained but it looks like they have finally pulled the plug on this now ,ah well comodo personal firewall is looking good to me?
cheers d
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You may also consider using Kerio. It's not dead like I already mentioned tens of times in this and some other forums. Besides, take a peek in here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=17812.0
It's closed deal, so wonderful Kerio will live after all !
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Hey guys, is it me or have the guys at symantec pulled the sygate forums? i know some of you clever guys use or used to use it? i still am at the moment
cheers D Smiley Smiley
Yes 1600e, seems they did. :(
The moderators who were just volunteers in the site did not take it lightly. Red Jack emailed me how they felt.
I would continue to use Sygate as a light free firewall.
Or use Kerio 4.2.2 like I do currently, some 20 MB memory usage.
Not sure about that Comodo so much advertised in this forum. I looked at the user interface, nothing like Kerio. Also some talks about it not working using a limited XP user account.
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thanks for replys guys, question answered
hi jarmo p, yes i had contact with red jack,anialator and mats when i had problems,although not too many ,but its not the way to treat people. have they moved to wilders as they were talking about doing?
i have been looking at a few alternatives ,kerio 4.2 and have 2.1,also
saftey net, jpf wall,ghostwall and of course Comodo for which i have been following the threads on here with great interest.
shame about sygate used it for years never got caught out and reliable.,ah well move on.
cheers dean ;) ;)
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Not sure about that Comodo so much advertised in this forum. I looked at the user interface, nothing like Kerio. Also some talks about it not working using a limited XP user account.
User Interface is much more extended than Kerio's if you haven't noticed, by the way it doesn't give any kind of GUI problems when for example Azureus is open and running, or even LimeWire... like Kerio does, sometimes even half of the GUI is missing, and not just here, but on many other computers. Many people already reported that and nothing is solved in latest build.
Comodo doesn't have any problems with limited account, it works with limited accounts without any problems. Problems start to occure when you have to switch users... that's different. Anyway I have had no problems with it... just FYI I use Kerio right now. I was just testing Comodo and it seems like promissing firewall.
Also, I don't see how Comodo can be advertized in this forum when it's completely freeware product, so no need to advertize it. ;)
We do that very often in these forums. We do nice reviews just like in that thread where you "saw" that Comodo add... we test it so people can decide should they proceed with installation or not... that's all. Everyone is entitled to use what suits him/her the best.
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I agree Sasha.
Not that I see that comodo having advantage in GUI over Kerio.
It is still much less user friendly and Kerio more is for power users wanting all in their access, including mistakes.
Except those malfunctions you mentioned that I have not had. I have Limeware so maybe I try some p2p :P
But I agree that our forum readers have a right to choose and also freedom to post their preferences. Just like you have. Or me, hehe.
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I couldn't agree more with you on this one... I was also talking about UI not GUI, but while I was there, I also mentioed GUI as well.
I totally agree, Kerio became so easy to use and still it's quite configurable, so something for everyone I guess. It's just makes me so angry when I see no one is doing anything regarding those GUI problems because it's not just ugly, but annoying as well... sometimes whole GUI freezes for let's say 30 seconds, but the good thing is... only when Azureus or Limewire are up and running. I have no clue why, but I've seen so many reports regarding that and still no solution on horizon.
I just hope Sunbelt will do something regarding those little issues very soon. It's too good firewall to be abandoned just like that, right ?
Cheers !
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Well, Sasha, you have the talent for graphics. For me the GUI is not so ugly, but the UI is definately for power users. Felixible, but also easy to make mistakes.
I have to test Limeware to see if that happens. I rarely have a need to bring up Kerio GUI though. It runs in the background and no need to touch it. But I will test and give my report post if I notice some malfunction in GUI.
Already I have seen some little faults in packet filter rules, when trying to make a rule order and sometimes it just does not keep it like I tell.
Nothing serious though.
Sygate is a good firewall IMO for any reading this thread. I might go back if Symantec gives me a free copy of Pro, LOL.
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Again (lol)... I never said GUI is ugly, just that problem with GUI is ugly and annoying. See here:
...It's just makes me so angry when I see no one is doing anything regarding those GUI problems because it's not just ugly, but annoying as well...
Ok, maybe I should have put something like this: "...GUI problems because those GUI issues are not just ugly, but annoying as well..."
GUI itself is very clean and causy and I myself found it very nice and easy to navigate through. Nothing like Kerio GUI is ugly, no way... far from that...
Cheers !
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Kerio GUI is not ugly is just buggy.
You can't open it without a glass hour mice for a lot of time, you can see parts of the background through it...
Man, I never see such a good firewall (or fantastic firewall) with a terrible buggy GUI... :P
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Tech and Sasha, not sure but this might help you.
I read somewhere that 'Resolve address' feature you can disable with a right click takes a lots of "power".
Not using it might make the GUI response better.
PS
Wish Sunbelt will add a backtrace or 'who is this IP' in the future build of Kerio like Sygate has.
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Sorry not following this... Resolve address feature ? Where is that located ? I can't find anything like that, especially not by right-clicking Kerio icon... am I doing something wrong ?
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Well, that is when you go to log, right click there or in application or packet filter rules or in Overviw, everywhere ;)
Edit:
Already complained on tech's former skate board icon ... I like the new one.
Yours Sasha spins too fast in my firefox, makes me dizzy :P
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Ok thanks I found it... ;)
UPDATE:
Finally thanks to JarmoP, the problem with GUI is solved. I am so happy right now !
Thanks JarmoP, but still I hope you understand me, it shouldn't happen in the first place even when that option is enabled... right ? They (Sunbelt) have to do something regarding that problem...
Cheers !
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Sure it should not happen!
Might do with the connections people are having.
I never experienced problems, but I soon moved to BZ rules, no idea if dynamic DNS has something to do with it or not. I use now only my DNS server in filter rules.
Glad if that really helped.
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Yes it helped, but I have no clue what would that have anything to do with dynamic DNS settings. I use static IP, as well as DNS server addresses... also I'm on ADSL, connected 24/7 through my hardware router/firewall... any idea ?
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Not really and i don't recommend to go and mess with those BZ rules.
It was just a hunch, how Kerio gets the site names in logs etc. if there is something little bad design in that. Sure is I guess.
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Tech and Sasha, not sure but this might help you.
I read somewhere that 'Resolve address' feature you can disable with a right click takes a lots of "power".
Not using it might make the GUI response better.
I wish I could test it... where is this option into Kerio settings?
>:( >:( Kerio GUI crashed again >:( :( :(
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See Jarmo's reply in this same thread:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=17934.msg152828#msg152828
Top part of the reply... other things are just some blabbing about avatars, hahaha ;D ;D ;D
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See Jarmo's reply in this same thread:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=17934.msg152828#msg152828
Top part of the reply... other things are just some blabbing about avatars, hahaha ;D ;D ;D
Sorry... I'm stupid and can't find... can anybody post a screenshot?
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Here:
(http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/6458/untitled96au.jpg)
You are not stupid just lost like I was... ;)
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Thanks Sasha I'll try when Kerio allows me :P :'(
Man, I have never saw such a buggy GUI... It's ridiculous...
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I can't believe :o :o
Seems that the s*it into the GUI is solved... everything seems to be running fine now... :)
Wow, many thanks... although now I'm curious about what exactly Kerio is doing with that 'address' resolving... ::)
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Umh... sucking up to much memory like Jarmo said ? I have no clue... but hey !!! It works and that's all that matters ! Yeepee !!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D :) :-* :) ;D
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From Graham, the Kerio expert:
http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=7854&start=0&S=e6e8f0d3c86c444e68ac055c4759b206
I propably read about it from some of his posts the first time.
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Well, what a misleading thread subject! ;)
"resolve address" function is done through one of the Kerio system rules, which is not allowed for users to configure. You can see Kerio connecting if you keep "Hide KPF connections" unchecked. I recommend turning off "resolve address" function when it is not needed.
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Well, what a misleading thread subject! Wink
Hehe, I agree. The guys somehow hijacked this thread to Kerio, but I don't mind cause using it myself too :P
Thanks for the added information Umath.
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You can see Kerio connecting if you keep "Hide KPF connections" unchecked. I recommend turning off "resolve address" function when it is not needed.
Feeling stupid again... where is it? I also search the help file for 'hide' or 'connections' and found nothing...
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I've found: Goto the Overview, Connections window (right-click to access).
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Well, what a misleading thread subject! ;)
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Well I wouldn't say it's missleading at all... The guy who started this thread asked something about Sygate forums being closed. See here:
Hey guys, is it me or have the guys at symantec pulled the sygate forums? i know some of you clever guys use or used to use it? i still am at the moment
cheers D :) :)
Then I said something about Sygate and Sygate forums, which is btw topic of this thread... ;)
As far as I know, Sygate has been discontinued by Symantec. They bought it, but also they shut it down... so closing some of those forums was kind of expected somehow. I don't know...
And then, Jarmo P just confirmed everything with information from the first hand:
Yes 1600e, seems they did. :(
The moderators who were just volunteers in the site did not take it lightly. Red Jack emailed me how they felt.
I would continue to use Sygate as a light free firewall.
Or use Kerio 4.2.2 like I do currently, some 20 MB memory usage.
Not sure about that Comodo so much advertised in this forum. I looked at the user interface, nothing like Kerio. Also some talks about it not working using a limited XP user account.
I strongly believe we concluded this thread with information he asked for... thread closed. But, since he mentioned he would like to try with some other firewall as Comodo is, I simply mentioned Kerio which is stable and trustworth firewall product. Along the lines we came up with only obvious Kerio GUI problem (for a moment), which is also very healthy for the further development of this thread. If he wants to go with some other firewall since Sygate is discontinued, good thing is if we can warn him about some existing problems, right ?
So, I believe this thread is still on track... since the original question he asked is already answered. He is satisfied and we keep providing a new and useful info. Besides, no one else even mentioned this simple fix for Kerio GUI problem anywhere in this forum (not in a single line). So we all should be very grateful to Jarmo for bringing this up.
Conclusion: No, thread is not being hijacked. Remember, we still talk about computer security related issues. It's not like we turned this thread into some discussion about our grandma's umbrella ;)
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Sasha I think Umath's mention about subject changing was a light joke.
As was also mine. It as we all know happens all the time in all the threads. Discussion changes and the meaning of the original thread poster is lost.
No big thing, don't worry :P
Still here is subject though for Sygate users. Information about alternate software if wanting the change.
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Well we certainly didn't turn this thread into some opposite direction. Original question has been answered and the guy was happy (I guess). All we did is just continued to talk about Kerio and it's problem. Best of all we solved that one too, right ? Everyone who is interested in Sygate forums topic, could easily see find their answer in those first two or three replies we made, so focus on original topic is not lost in any way... we just continued discussion, although little bit shifted to some other firewall product.
It wouldn't be to clever if we started another thread with topic about Kerio's GUI issue... why ? Because this is not Kerio forum, so starting something like that would just help clogging this forum, and make moderator's job even more complicated.
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Sasha I think Umath's mention about subject changing was a light joke.
As was also mine. It as we all know happens all the time in all the threads. Discussion changes and the meaning of the original thread poster is lost.
No big thing, don't worry :P
Still here is subject though for Sygate users. Information about alternate software if wanting the change.
So Well said that I don't need to add my own words. Thanx, Jarmo. ;) Sasha, nothing serious.
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I know umath, it's just I wanted to clear tha a bit, nothing serious from y side either... because I really think this thread could help some other people with Kerio GUI problem as well, and all those who came here looking for an answer about Sygate forum, they also can feel satisfied since there is answer that asnwers initial question. Again, everybody happy I guess... ;D
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Het Sasha, sure it is you and Tech only who have suffered from this GUI problem .... aaah, here I go again making jokes :P
But seriously, why not post this GUI problem solving in a new thread? After being sure it solves it for good. I cannot do that since I have never experienced it.
I think this forum has a lots of readers using other FW's, not all just ZA users.
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Well on second thought it would be good to make a separate thread after all... just because it can draw attention for all those who suffer from the same GUI problem when it comes to Kerio.
Also, many people not only Tech and I (I know you are joking but still I know you like to pinch, hehe) have reported same issues, it's just not many people use Azureus and/or LimeWire in combination with their firewall (Kerio in this case), and that could be the reason why it looks like not many people are having this problem. Believe me there is unbelievable number out there. darth.mikey from this forum, he also had exactly the same problem, but he states that his problem got solved somehow after updating to 4.2.2
That certainly wasn't case in here, and I also noticed many threads all over the internet where people were saying problem still was there even after updating to 4.2.2
Maybe aliens again ? ;D
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darth.mikey from this forum, he also had exactly the same problem, but he states that his problem got solved somehow after updating to 4.2.2
It's ReVaN now.... Yes the 4.2.2 update fixed the issue for me i'm so happy now, Kerio opens up instantly and i mean in a sec (thanks to 1gb ram no doubt) and before it was up to a minute.BTW i have resolve address enabled see below...
(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9209/resolveaddress8za.jpg)
Cheers
Miha
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Hi ReVaN,
Sometimes I read on forums that Kerio is the better firewall. What is your feeling.
By the way, I feel much better with the Dr. Web browser plug-in installed.
Got it to-day. (same as for Firefox 1.5).
By the way I would like it if a software firewall had a IP Drop fuction,
so if you do not want harassment from or for some IP, it could be dropped like this:
ipdrop
IP 10.0.0.134 drop on.
source /usr/local/share/dynfw.sh
args 2 $# "${0} IPADDR {on/off}" "Drops packets to/from IPADDR. Good for obnoxious
networks/hosts/DoS"
if [ "$2" == "on" ]
then
#rules will be appended or inserted as normal
APPEND="-A"
INSERT="-I"
rec_check ipdrop $1 "$1 already blocked" on
record ipdrop $1
elif [ "$2" == "off" ]
then
#rules will be deleted instead
APPEND="-D"
INSERT="-D"
rec_check ipdrop $1 "$1 not currently blocked" off
unrecord ipdrop $1
else
echo "Error: \"off\" or \"on\" expected as second argument"
exit 1
fi
iptables $INSERT INPUT -s $1 -j DROP
iptables $INSERT OUTPUT -d $1 -j DROP
iptables $INSERT FORWARD -d $1 -j DROP
iptables $INSERT FORWARD -s $1 -j DROP
echo "IP ${1} drop ${2}."
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greets,
polonus
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Polonus, sorry for being so abrupt but what does your abracadabra mean? Could you explain it in plain English so that even I can understand the fault of Kerio or other Windows firewalls?
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Hi Umath,
This is no abacadrabra it is just how easy it is to make part of a script to filter IP packets. Has nothing to do with Kerio, it is just additional, and you can have these when you run an open software firewall for Windows as well. What am I talking about. Well we would like to see that all packets with source or destination: 127.0.0.1, 0.0.0.0, 10.*.*.*.* (the address of your machine or moden (10.0.0.13*), or 172.16.31.*.* or 192.168.*.* (as they are for internal use only) to be dropped, with internal source address from passing inward, the similar from external passing outward, and destination addresses likewise (external dropped inward, and internal destination dropped outward), furthermore drop all source routed packets.
This are the general rule for filtering IP trafick, if you are attacked, and you wanted the hostile packets dropped from the evil site, you could use the script I gave you here. It is just to demonstrate how easy you can configure your IP firewall in open source or make special filters for it.
Linux people do this all of the time, but it is coming in on Windows implementations as well. So the two things had not much in common. If it was off off topic. one could move this posting out. It was just put there to get you all to think actively about filtering, also in a FW. I have built a pre-router filterscript into ZA, and it works super.
polonus
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But seriously, why not post this GUI problem solving in a new thread?
I've already posted a screenshot.
After being sure it solves it for good.
Just changing the 'resolve address' make the GUI stable for me.
I use automatic logon on Windows. While loggin in, I receive an information that 'Kerio could not connect the service'.
This is the only 'problem' I have now with Kerio GUI and related things.
I did not find any solution for that.
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Linux people do this all of the time, but it is coming in on Windows implementations as well. So the two things had not much in common.
Yes, Linux users say that one of the benefits of open-source firewalls is that they don't need to wait till firewall venders fix vulnerabilities. If I am really inclined to learn about the net, probably, it would be suitable for me to learn about Linux. However, if I began to use Linux with my current knowledge, my PC would be more vulnerable than it is.
I use automatic logon on Windows. While loggin in, I receive an information that 'Kerio could not connect the service'.
This is the only 'problem' I have now with Kerio GUI and related things.
I did not find any solution for that.
??? This doesn't happen in my environment... Tech, how about searching/asking this in Kerio forum since there are specialists?
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hi S.Z.Craftec and jarmo p
just to caaled to say thanks for info and advice on original question, i knew some people on here also used sygate (especially jarmo p).,and i did ask about other firewalls and info on kiero is helpfull,i also follow the comodo thread. so no problem to me may be some one can change thread title?
cheers dean.m :) :)
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Tech, how about searching/asking this in Kerio forum since there are specialists?
Jarmo's solution made my day. Disabling 'address resolving' make the GUI stable and working.
The fact system cannot be connected at startup... well, waiting for further updates or I'll change the firewall. Kerio was solved, the new owner should show hability to solve, update, etc. If not, there are other reliable options. For me, the best firewall is still Outpost Pro (without the spyware module).
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It's nice of you to drop in just to say that, 1600e. ;)
If not, there are other reliable options. For me, the best firewall is still Outpost Pro (without the spyware module).
I don't argue that since I heard lot of good things abut Outpost.
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Searching more about Outpost Pro would give some different conclusions. Even DavidR, and he uses Outpost Pro, seemed not to be too happy with it lately as he used to be...
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=14062.0
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=17951.msg152718#msg152718
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=12735.msg107680#msg107680
No problems with Kerio in here, not anymore since annoying GUI problem is solved. This firewall is rock-stable, and I am sure Sunbelt will make it even better... otherwise who normal would speand all that money for buying it and not continue to develop it...
Which service is reported that's unable to be started Tech ? You have to have some more info to be able to fight against that... no such a problems in here. I guess it could be that Kerio is fighting with some other resident application you have installed on your machine, and I remember you said before you have installed quite number of such applications.
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Which service is reported that's unable to be started Tech ?
I need to be 'without' firewall to simulate the error...
I'll do this afternoon and post a screenshot ;)
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Sasha, here we have it :(
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Sasha, here we have it :(
OH my god Tech i never saw this... What did you do?
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OH my god Tech i never saw this... What did you do?
Each boot I see this... message stays there for about 10 seconds, disapears and the icon appears at the system tray.
I wish I knew what I did or what can I solve this... :'(
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OH my god Tech i never saw this... What did you do?
Each boot I see this... message stays there for about 10 seconds, disapears and the icon appears at the system tray.
I wish I knew what I did or what can I solve this... :'(
I'm guessing reinstall doesn't fix it... Do you have any backups you can go to?
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I'm guessing reinstall doesn't fix it... Do you have any backups you can go to?
Backups? Why? Kerio gives me this message since from the beginning, since first boot after installing :'(
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What does those log files tell you ? My Computer / Manage / blah, blah...
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Backups? Why? Kerio gives me this message since from the beginning, since first boot after installing :'(
Hmmm i never heard of this, i think you should try the Kerio (http://forums.kerio.com/) forums for help...
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Sygate forums are back now.
http://forums.sygate.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=298543aada4dc0994c3509dbec3204a4&forumid=6
No idea how long though.