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Title: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: petr.chytil on July 19, 2016, 05:33:43 PM
Hi all,

new beta version is live: 12.2.2273
In this release, we are trying to finish a few long going internal projects. Especially the improved licensing and registration to Windows Security center.

Fixes and improvements:
+ New licensing system
+ New implementation of Windows Security center registration
+ Rescue Disc fixed

Known Issues:
- Inserting license into expired program may cause invisibility of some components in the program UI. Repair fixes the issue.
- New components menu is not yet fully functional
- Windows Security center registration may not be successful in some cases. But please, report all occurrences which are not fixed by reboot.
- SafePrice plugin for Firefox may not show all available offers

Download links as usual or just update your current beta.

Enjoy,
Petr
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Secondmineboy on July 19, 2016, 05:53:23 PM
Anything on the HIPS being improved?
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Snappy Phoenix on July 19, 2016, 11:18:11 PM
What does this new licensing system mean? I hope it won't restrict us from de-activating a machine to reinstall Avast again in case someone formats his PC
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Be Secure on July 20, 2016, 03:03:25 AM
- New components menu is not yet fully functional what this is and will it affect the main UI?
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Asyn on July 20, 2016, 09:18:40 AM
- New components menu is not yet fully functional what this is and will it affect the main UI?
It allows to install/uninstall components from the settings.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: RejZoR on July 20, 2016, 09:30:28 AM
The components menu sounds like a cool feature to have. It's certainly more obvious than finding it in the uninstaller itself.

I also hope they'll redesign installer/uninstaller to follow the Windows theme and control. I had to once uninstall avast! on my tablet using only a keyboard in safe mode because touch wasn't working there (it only has one USB port so I couldn't use mouse and keyboard together) was absolutely terrifyingly bad. I tried selecting buttons using TAB key, arrow keys and space and the thing was all over the place. I couldn't even see what I was selecting so I was trying it blindly till I finally managed to randomly hit the right thing after 15 minutes of trying.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Lord_Ami on July 20, 2016, 09:35:10 AM
I believe components menu is the one in installer.

Anyways - I don't like the installer. Why? Because when it installs and "finishes", it actually continues to download/install in the background and the icon is not accessible for ~1 minute on my SSD setup.
It's supposed to be complete once avast icon shows in tray... Please do fix this.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Asyn on July 20, 2016, 09:37:18 AM
I believe components menu is the one in installer.
Nope, it's a new section in the settings.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Lord_Ami on July 20, 2016, 10:10:43 AM
I believe components menu is the one in installer.
Nope, it's a new section in the settings.

Oh, did not see that. Thanks!
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Asyn on July 20, 2016, 10:12:12 AM
You're welcome.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Be Secure on July 20, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Any news on Anti-Ransomware protection? are u guys working on this?
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: NON on July 20, 2016, 05:16:12 PM
Thanks for the update, I also think Components tab is a good addition. :)
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Asyn on July 20, 2016, 05:21:17 PM
...I also think Components tab is a good addition. :)
Yep, especially for the newbies. ;)
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Zeniit on July 20, 2016, 05:39:09 PM
-Browser Cleanup not seeing my Firefox 47.0.1 64 bit.

-Under Components I have 2 firewall module.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: RejZoR on July 20, 2016, 10:16:17 PM
Has settings exporting been fixed (insufficient rights error)?
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: NSchwender on July 21, 2016, 10:38:10 AM
And the slow boot in some Windows 8.1 systems?
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 21, 2016, 02:43:53 PM
Has settings exporting been fixed (insufficient rights error)?
It's working for me:
(http://screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1469104956161-2995.png)
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 21, 2016, 04:08:09 PM
Thanks for the update, I also think Components tab is a good addition. :)
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=93544.msg1326354#msg1326354
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: DavidR on July 21, 2016, 04:16:17 PM
Thanks for the update, I also think Components tab is a good addition. :)
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=93544.msg1326354#msg1326354

Thanks for the video Bob, nice that avast have made it easier for a user to have a minimal installation and not have to go through control panel to uninstall a component.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 21, 2016, 04:19:36 PM
Thanks for the update, I also think Components tab is a good addition. :)
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=93544.msg1326354#msg1326354

Thanks for the video Bob, nice that avast have made it easier for a user to have a minimal installation and not have to go through control panel to uninstall a component.
My pleasure. Hopefully Avast will also bring back a useful UI to make getting to features easier or, expand the right click menu of the Avast system tray icon
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: RejZoR on July 21, 2016, 08:14:28 PM
Minimal protection should also include "Mail Shield"! These are the basic shields that should be selected with Minimal protection. Reason for this, if there is malware that is sending spam e-mails or infected e-mails out from the computer, Mails Shield would/could intercept it. And it's not really using more memory or anything if you have it selected.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Be Secure on July 22, 2016, 04:14:10 AM
Minimal protection should also include "Mail Shield"! These are the basic shields that should be selected with Minimal protection. Reason for this, if there is malware that is sending spam e-mails or infected e-mails out from the computer, Mails Shield would/could intercept it. And it's not really using more memory or anything if you have it selected.
Not everyone are using Mail Shield so it should be out for minimal protection.Nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: RejZoR on July 22, 2016, 07:24:46 AM
And you entirely missed my point which I also explained in my post. You don't have any performance penalty or higher resources consumption if you have Mail Shield installed. But you do lose protection if you don't, even if you don't use POP3 mail clients.

In fact, considering many features depend on these components (like CyberCapture), I really don't understand why they are even removable. All 3 shields should ALWAYS be installed. You could disable them like you can now, but only for troubleshooting. This isn't avast! v4.x where shields were actual separate components. They aren't anymore.

The rest of components and tools should remain modular as they are now.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Lord_Ami on July 22, 2016, 09:27:11 AM
I have some odd issue with this beta.

1. I had build 2272 installed (AIS).
2. Rand online installer of this beta
3. After restart, no avast processes/UI visible.

I did also remove avast completely, restarted PC and ran removal tool. Restarted PC again and made custom beta install with file/web shield + firewall and sandbox. Same thing, no visible processes/UI, even after restart. I did repair install - same thing.

Now I uninstalled completely again and used removal tool too. Installed 2272 and I can see it's working now.

Windows 8.1 x64, I5-6440HQ laptop with FHD screen.
Any dev can contact me directly via PM for any logs :)


//
Tried to upgrade over 2272 again with the same result - avast icon is visible but does not open UI. When clicked, it disappears.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 22, 2016, 02:00:23 PM
And you entirely missed my point which I also explained in my post. You don't have any performance penalty or higher resources consumption if you have Mail Shield installed. But you do lose protection if you don't, even if you don't use POP3 mail clients.

In fact, considering many features depend on these components (like CyberCapture), I really don't understand why they are even removable. All 3 shields should ALWAYS be installed. You could disable them like you can now, but only for troubleshooting. This isn't avast! v4.x where shields were actual separate components. They aren't anymore.

The rest of components and tools should remain modular as they are now.
@RejZoR,
I agree with you on a default install of the MailShield during a minimal install. I don't agree that it should always be installed.
I use only online email. I have no need for the MailSield and opt not to install it using the custom install.
Unless the MailSield does something other than scan emails downloaded to your system, why install it if you don't download emails to your computer ???
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: RejZoR on July 22, 2016, 02:03:01 PM
Is anyone even reading what I post? Go back and read my two posts. I've explained why Mail Shield is preferred to be installed even if you're not using POP3 mail clients.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 22, 2016, 02:11:56 PM
Is anyone even reading what I post? Go back and read my two posts. I've explained why Mail Shield is preferred to be installed even if you're not using POP3 mail clients.
Your posts were read and I don't see anything that compels the use of a function that isn't used.
I wish you would make your argument clearer. I'm not against installing it. I just can't find anything that warrants it's install.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: RejZoR on July 22, 2016, 02:34:41 PM
The same reason why not installing Web Shield makes CyberCapture ineffective ENTIRELY. But no one mentions that and I know many people who just install File System Shield, not knowing this also disables large portion of protection. We don't even know what is tied to Mail Shield, but from context aspect (which Vlk mention quite often), it's the only component monitoring POP3/IMAP traffic, providing context for e-mail traffic in general (so you actually know that malware was sneaking through those subsystems). Which is used by spam malware as well as e-mail worms. Mail Shield ensures monitoring of that infection vector as well.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 22, 2016, 04:09:41 PM
Are you inferring that not installing the MailShield will make CyberCapture less effective ???
I don't use POP3 or IMAP.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Asyn on July 22, 2016, 04:18:14 PM
Are you inferring that not installing the MailShield will make CyberCapture less effective ???
No Bob, MS is not related to CC in any way, but WS is.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 22, 2016, 04:20:45 PM
Are you inferring that not installing the MailShield will make CyberCapture less effective ???
No Bob, MS is not related to CC in any way, but WS is.
I'm not disabling WebShield. That's never been a question or part of my discussion. :)
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Asyn on July 22, 2016, 04:22:55 PM
Are you inferring that not installing the MailShield will make CyberCapture less effective ???
No Bob, MS is not related to CC in any way, but WS is.
I'm not disabling WebShield. That's never been a question or part of my discussion. :)
Well, in your quote you ask about mail shield and I answered that.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: RejZoR on July 22, 2016, 04:26:21 PM
Are you inferring that not installing the MailShield will make CyberCapture less effective ???
No Bob, MS is not related to CC in any way, but WS is.

Are you sure? Because no one mentioned WS for CC either until we pointed out the limitations/restrictions.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: DavidR on July 22, 2016, 04:28:20 PM
Let me try to clarify another point:
1. The mail shield if not in use, uses no resources, so not really an issue.
2. Just because you only use webmail, doesn't mean the mail shield is redundant.
3. The mail shield could be your first indication that you have a hidden/undetected spambot (malware) on your system.
4. Some malware comes with its own basic smtp function, so it doesn't need yours (if you have one installed or not).

So the Mail Shield essentially has an alternative, undocumented function, I would say keep it and not only that but bump up its Sensitivity.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 22, 2016, 04:35:29 PM
Let me try to clarify another point:
1. The mail shield if not in use, uses no resources, so not really an issue.
2. Just because you only use webmail, doesn't mean the mail shield is redundant.
3. The mail shield could be your first indication that you have a hidden/undetected spambot (malware) on your system.
4. Some malware comes with its own basic smtp function, so it doesn't need yours (if you have one installed or not).

So the Mail Shield essentially has an alternative, undocumented function, I would say keep it and not only that but bump up its Sensitivity.
Thanks, an explanation that makes sense and a reason for me to rethink it's necessity. :)
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 22, 2016, 04:37:16 PM
(http://screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1469197842098-7273.png)
I hadn't noticed this in prior versions.
An easy way to switch over to isolated browsing.

Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Asyn on July 22, 2016, 04:40:11 PM
Are you inferring that not installing the MailShield will make CyberCapture less effective ???
No Bob, MS is not related to CC in any way, but WS is.
Are you sure? Because no one mentioned WS for CC either until we pointed out the limitations/restrictions.
Let's put it this way, I'm rather sure. ;)
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Be Secure on July 22, 2016, 04:48:36 PM
(http://screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1469197842098-7273.png)
I hadn't noticed this in prior versions.
An easy way to switch over to isolated browsing.
No,name is new but if you click it(Run SZB) in stable version it will opened Bank mode.I test that.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 22, 2016, 05:00:39 PM
(http://screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1469197842098-7273.png)
I hadn't noticed this in prior versions.
An easy way to switch over to isolated browsing.
No,name is new but if you click it(Run SZB) in stable version it will opened Bank mode.I test that.
I'm well aware of what it does. I'm just confirming that this was newly added the the right click function.
Hoping for other additions that were promised a long time ago. :)
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Alikhan on July 22, 2016, 06:25:55 PM
This is a welcome addition of Components Menu where users can install/uninstall modules easily and finally trying to fix the WSC issues. I'm also happy that the components are more clearer so users would know they are installing browser extensions.

The Mail Shield must be included within Minimal install since it can give first indications of malware such as Spambots which David has mentioned. On top of this, it uses no resources if not in use.

Since the nitro update, I've experienced Avast loading slower after startup so I would suggest trying to improve that. On top of this, would it be possible to see some CyberCapture statistics to see if it's actually working...

I would also like to see files which trigger CyberCapture to have an option to "run in sandbox" for paid users.
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: Asyn on July 22, 2016, 06:44:15 PM
On top of this, would it be possible to see some CyberCapture statistics to see if it's actually working...
+1
Title: Re: NEW: Beta version released - 12.2.2273
Post by: bob3160 on July 22, 2016, 07:54:29 PM
@ Alikhan,
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=187679.msg1326605#msg1326605