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Title: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: hectic-mmv on November 03, 2016, 01:10:28 PM
   Hi all,
sorry for the delay with this beta, but it's finally here. We are now busy working on integration with AVG but I hope you will like the changes coming early next year (and yes HIPS included (wink) ) Main purpose of this beta to test its stability and get your feedback on the new UI. We didn't changed just the "face" but also the framework behind the UI so it gives us now much more flexibility in fixing various issues and bugs in the UI much faster than before.

We listened to the feedback, so there won't be color difference between Free and paid versions and all will be dark. Navigation moved back to the left side, and the window is now larger. We know it's not perfect now and we will work hard in the upcoming weeks to polish it for release quality.

Newest beta version: 12.4.2281

Changes:
+ Fully new UI framework with modern graphics
+ Removed screensaver and desktop gadget 
+ Huge internal changes for product stabilization

Download links:
- https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=179943.0

 
Known issues:
+ Some UI parts are not fully finished yet, excuse glitches
+ SmartScan and Browser Cleanup not finished
+ UI glitches in some expiration messaging dialogs
+ Web shield problems on Win 10 internal preview
+ Passwords synchronization setup flows are broken

Share your feedback and opinions about the new UI here.

your Avast team
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: NON on November 03, 2016, 01:12:57 PM
Thanks for the new beta 8)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Be Secure on November 03, 2016, 01:38:51 PM
Thanks for beta.Can anyone post screenshot of avast UI?  ;)
Small suggestion to avast team:Pls post the screenshot of the avast UI. :)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Zeniit on November 03, 2016, 02:00:27 PM
Screenshot:
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Lord_Ami on November 03, 2016, 02:33:07 PM
Nice, thanks!

One thing I noticed:
1. Ran online installer for free version. It offered Estonian by default. Clicked continue, but then back and changed UI to English.
2. Went thru installation. Main UI is in English, but settings are in Estonian.

VMware W8.1 x64. Will try to reproduce and make proper report if possible.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Alikhan on November 03, 2016, 02:34:41 PM
When will we see more protection features such as anti-ransomware and when will the statistics be back within the UI?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: OndraM on November 03, 2016, 02:46:14 PM
Nice, thanks!

One thing I noticed:
1. Ran online installer for free version. It offered Estonian by default. Clicked continue, but then back and changed UI to English.
2. Went thru installation. Main UI is in English, but settings are in Estonian.

VMware W8.1 x64. Will try to reproduce and make proper report if possible.

The translation process of the new UI is still not finished. Thus while it is set to Estonian, the logic is  - check the Estonian language package and if the string is missing, fall back to English. And since the Estonian for new UI is still missing, it uses English version.

Settings are just a modification of the old UI, so it has its translation files.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Lord_Ami on November 03, 2016, 02:47:38 PM
Nice, thanks!

One thing I noticed:
1. Ran online installer for free version. It offered Estonian by default. Clicked continue, but then back and changed UI to English.
2. Went thru installation. Main UI is in English, but settings are in Estonian.

VMware W8.1 x64. Will try to reproduce and make proper report if possible.

The translation process of the new UI is still not finished. Thus while it is set to Estonian, the logic is  - check the Estonian language package and if the string is missing, fall back to English. And since the Estonian for new UI is still missing, it uses English version.

Settings are just a modification of the old UI, so it has its translation files.

Seems like there is something else in play. Check my report at
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=192648.0

But of course there will be language updates for new version. Still, running English installer installs it in English, but settings are in Estonian. Conflicting :)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: MartinZ on November 03, 2016, 02:49:47 PM
When will we see more protection features such as anti-ransomware and when will the statistics be back within the UI?
Anti-ransomware in Q1 2017 and some stats have already returned in the new UI (look for pi ;-)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Lord_Ami on November 03, 2016, 03:16:51 PM
When will we see more protection features such as anti-ransomware and when will the statistics be back within the UI?
Anti-ransomware in Q1 2017 and some stats have already returned in the new UI (look for pi ;-)
Found it :P
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Be Secure on November 03, 2016, 03:21:44 PM
When will we see more protection features such as anti-ransomware and when will the statistics be back within the UI?
Anti-ransomware in Q1 2017 and some stats have already returned in the new UI (look for pi ;-)
Found it :P
Where is the quick scan option?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Lord_Ami on November 03, 2016, 03:29:49 PM
When will we see more protection features such as anti-ransomware and when will the statistics be back within the UI?
Anti-ransomware in Q1 2017 and some stats have already returned in the new UI (look for pi ;-)
Found it :P
Where is the quick scan option?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Be Secure on November 03, 2016, 03:31:04 PM
When will we see more protection features such as anti-ransomware and when will the statistics be back within the UI?
Anti-ransomware in Q1 2017 and some stats have already returned in the new UI (look for pi ;-)
Found it :P
Quote
Where is the quick scan option?
Thanks. :D
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 03, 2016, 03:46:19 PM
@ hectic-mmv
I have yet to download the beta, but your comment of making the UI window larger prompted this post.

I would like to be able to reduce the size of the window not have a fixed minimum size. I have an acer netbook with a 1024X600 resolution (as my secondary system), so having it exceed 600 pixels in height would be a pain.

On that note: not the UI size but the installation file that has been a right pain in the rear as it exceeds 600 pixels in height so the lower button/s are off the screen. That too needs looking at so that the user can reduce the size of the window so they can scroll to the buttons.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 03, 2016, 04:22:53 PM
So hardened mode no longer has moderate/aggressive settings?  I guess everyone that used it used agressive anyway.

Another question regarding CyberCapture.  Is it true that it only works when using Avasts own web browser?

Oh and BTW, why make the GUI window larger?  In the screen pic above, there's a lot of wasted space.  Personally, I prefer smaller GUIs.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Milos on November 03, 2016, 05:03:10 PM
Hello,
CyberCapture is not limited only to Avast's own web browser (SafeZone browser).

Milos
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Be Secure on November 03, 2016, 05:05:01 PM
Hello,
CyberCapture is not limited only to Avast's own web browser (SafeZone browser).

Milos
Any improvment on that(CyberCapture)?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Secondmineboy on November 03, 2016, 05:45:44 PM
Yes, Web Shield is buggy, broke the IPB Release Notes page for me until reloading it.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Patrick2 on November 03, 2016, 08:08:55 PM
So far Feedback is positive here, only got it installed currently on my 3rd PC, Windows 7 SP1 32bit Desktop,  Liking the new interface, liking the modules, Modules installed File Shield, Mail Shield, Webshield, Wifi Inspector and Software Defender

No issues to speak of as well, Interface a little slow to open on that system, but might be the system itself, If it's safe enough to test on most used machine, might add it to this one in a day or two, Windows 10 Pro 64bit 1607 14393.351.

Currently on Acer Aspire Revo R1600 1.60ghz Intel Atom Single Core Processor, 1.5gb of ram, Intel Ion LE Desktop graphics and 160gb hard drive, 5400RPM

Still testing though, might see if I can get a small game into that system to test silent gaming mode, and if not just wait til I decide to test it on most used system possibly

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 03, 2016, 08:59:03 PM
Same language bug that I've reported ages ago is still NOT fixed. If I select ENGLISH during installation, avast! interface still decides on its own that I want SLOVENIAN language. Then I have to change it on my own through settings. Why are we even bothering reporting stuff if it never gets fixed?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 03, 2016, 09:04:27 PM
Settings menu fonts are horrible to the max. They are blocky, compacted together and when they get highlighted when you select a certain menu on the left, the text becomes one blob of lines. It's awful.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Secondmineboy on November 03, 2016, 09:07:54 PM
Settings menu fonts are horrible to the max. They are blocky, compacted together and when they get highlighted when you select a certain menu on the left, the text becomes one blob of lines. It's awful.

The entire UI is a mess really to be honest......
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 03, 2016, 09:17:25 PM
This was actually my next thing I wanted to post after staring at it for a bit longer. Everything about new interface is bad.

- awful color scheme (purple, really?)
- huge interface with nothing going on in it
- awful fonts all over the "new" interface
- settings menus are the same as for the last 5? versions (and they aren't good at all)
- Protection statistics digged in totally wrong menu
- Why is Virus Chest still hidden in several submenus!?!?!?

I know you're not suppose to make a copy of competition, but have you guys seen Bitdefender or Kaspersky latest GUI ? avast! misses that compactness, consistency, being pleasant to the eyes.

Current stable avast! version kinda has that. This beta version just doesn't at all. GUI is upgraded, but the settings "behind" it are EXACTLY the same. I mean, open the settings and see for yourself. It's exactly the same cluttered mess as it was for last few years. Sorry, if you're doing a major update, do it properly. Not just transplant the face and leave everything behind it the same.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Patrick2 on November 03, 2016, 09:42:47 PM
UI looks a little less cluttered in my opinion from current stable version, nice and clean, don't even see ad on the main gui screen now,  Performance/Gaming Mode will check out more as time allows,  Little slow opening the Gui on this test System though,  can't seem to find the feedback button in the Gui to actually submit feedback from Avast Gui itself.   

Account feature seems to be gone

Seems to have auto registered after clean install of Free version

Settings menu still same as old versions though/components area

Purple color not sure on really, at least it's darker than Orange and White of current stable ui, I kinda don't mind the darkness, as it matches my UI theme on the Windows 10 Systems, dark, though i'd prefer chooseable dark colors,  Default, then chooseable blue/black or Dark Orange/Black with a  little whiteness in menu area would work too in my eyes along those lines.     Overall didn't see many bugs yet at least on my monitor, and system I am testing on currently.   

One issue though with the Performance/Game Mode option Component, having it set for High Performance while gaming, won't that cause PC's or Laptops to overheat, say if your gaming for 3-5 hours straight.   I personally run in balance power setting mode most of the time, so dynamic range of the CPU can be done, unless i'm doing things wrong all this time, first 8 core processor, so kept it in balance just like my old Quad Core

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 03, 2016, 10:02:30 PM
I have not tested this beta, but I liked the old GUI a lot.  Found it looked nice, was simple to use, easy to find what I was looking for, etc...

Without seeing it, outside of a few screen shots, the only thing I don't like about what I am hearing with the new GUI is they made it larger.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: czjohns on November 03, 2016, 10:11:31 PM
Quote
- awful color scheme (purple, really?)
I actually like it :D
Quote
- huge interface with nothing going on in it
true
Quote
- awful fonts all over the "new" interface
not sure what do you mean - havent noticed anything like that
Quote
- settings menus are the same as for the last 5? versions (and they aren't good at all)
Avast's settings is terrible. I can't find anything there. So yeah, agree w that.
Quote
- Protection statistics digged in totally wrong menu
yup
Quote
- Why is Virus Chest still hidden in several submenus!?!?!?
Also - that. I had to google where it is few times in the past. That SHOULDN'T be a thing.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 03, 2016, 10:32:20 PM
I really don't understand this grouping of features in side buttons. They just don't make any sense. They didn't make any sense in current stable build and it doesn't in this beta.

Is it so hard to separate things into 5 categories via side buttons:
- Status (basically current Home + Notifications, statistics etc)
- Real-time protection (all real time shields and its settings)
- On-Demand scans (all on demand scans, antivirus, software updater, WiFi)
- Other tools (Rescue Disk, cleanup tools and all the other non security related garbage)
- Virus Chest (for crying out loud, place the damn thing in plain sight, not dig it in some stupid unrelated on-demand scan submenu)

Instead, we have miles long side panel of the GUI that is empty and all the stuff is cluttered under 1 button. WHY!? I might not be the greatest when it comes to crafting fancy graphics, something avast! team is really good with, but they really have no clue how to organize GUI well. avast! 9 in a way almost had this and then the whole thing just spiraled out of control again. I just can't understand it unfortunately. Sure, primary antivirus task is protection, but humans are visual creatures and there should be A LOT more emphasis on visual appearance of avast! GUI than they do currently. It's very important.

EDIT:
The messed up awful font. I marked the worst offender, but the rest isn't any better. It's thin, hard to read, ClearType makes it even worse and these highlighted texts just merge letters into this unreadable mess.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 03, 2016, 11:09:38 PM
Can anyone post a screenshot of the free version's new UI? Or is it the same as the pro/IS/premier version?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 04, 2016, 02:07:28 AM
Ok I installed the latest beta.  I have to say I like the old GUI more.  Especially the "Home" screen of the new GUI, looks way too barren.  They need to reduce the size if it is going to be that sparse/blank.

The other thing I noticed, and not sure if this is the case with the current program, but running speedtests at the below site gives me a ton of bufferbloat.  If I disable Avast, then I get very little bufferbloat.

dslreports.com/speedtest
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Be Secure on November 04, 2016, 04:40:45 AM
Quote
so there won't be color difference between Free and paid versions and all will be dark.

Awful color scheme (purple not dark). :P
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 04, 2016, 06:02:53 AM
So hardened mode no longer has moderate/aggressive settings?
Nope, it's still there.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 04, 2016, 06:04:11 AM
Can anyone post a screenshot of the free version's new UI? Or is it the same as the pro/IS/premier version?
It's the same.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: miraDi on November 04, 2016, 09:10:44 AM
Account feature seems to be gone

Account feature was not ready for current beta. It will be back in some future release
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: MartinZ on November 04, 2016, 09:39:54 AM
Yes, I agree Settings font is ugly and we will fix it in upcoming betas. We will also change the whole Settings later in 2017, because you are right, it's like 5 years old ;-(
Fastest way to Virus Chest is via systray icon.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 04, 2016, 09:46:20 AM
I know you can access Virus Chest via trey menu, but even though I'm a very long time avast! user that never crosses my mind. I always go to main interface and via On-Demand scans panel.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 04, 2016, 10:00:57 AM
Little slow opening the Gui on this test System though...
Confirmed. (5 to 10 times slower on XP than before.)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Patrick2 on November 04, 2016, 01:44:54 PM
This machine i use to test on, slowest in the entire household lol, despite being upgraded to Windows 7 SP1 32bit long ago, still much slower than 8 core system and 4 core system lol.

But i figure if it can run well on this slow thing, should run great on 8 core and Quad core system when final lol, don't like running betas on the more powerful systems that much, but almost tempted to try it lol

Laptop machine dead, memory chips or hard drive dead in it, so waiting on funds to repair that one lol.

Overall though liking this new Avast beta, webshield might be a little on the slow side on Windows 7 though, not positivie on that or might be PC itself lol

Specs of System are
Acer Aspire Revo R1600
1.6ghz processor, Intel Atom Single Core
1.5gb of ram (512mb used for video lol)
160gb 5400rpm hard drive
Windows 7 SP1 32bit lol

amazed it runs this well on this slow thing, attempts a game on this one should be fun in a moment lol


Don't know if gaming mode turned on autoly with this machine, when entering game popped showed Gaming Mode is off, when exited game, said same thing

Game was SCS Bus Driver (old old game lol) only thing this little test machine can run lol

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: NON on November 04, 2016, 03:32:29 PM
Some feelings about new beta...

- Overall design and coloring are not that bad, some refines are needed
- Font size in settings window is too small
- Main window is too big
- Mojibake (translated text become garble) are around there: see example, attention needed
- HTTPS MITM issue (reported here (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=192534.0)) is still in this beta
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: pk on November 04, 2016, 05:26:56 PM
Quote
- awful color scheme (purple, really?)
https://blog.avast.com/the-new-avast-brand-the-story-behind-the-amoeba-and-more
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 04, 2016, 05:37:54 PM
I don't mind the purple at all, and it's different than all the black GUIs everyone else seems to be doing.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 04, 2016, 05:44:31 PM
So hardened mode no longer has moderate/aggressive settings?
Nope, it's still there.

I some pics of the GUI, it is no longer there, but when I upgraded my PC it was there.

See pic here and there's "Enable Hardened Mode" with no sub-menu under it to check.

https://www.neowin.net/news/avast-124-beta-released-with-redesigned-user-interface
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: noelrojasc on November 04, 2016, 06:08:32 PM
Please!!! That purple color is awful!!!
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 04, 2016, 08:50:01 PM
Same old GUI with little touch up here & there. Settings, etc... is same old. Horrible colour.

Avast needs to move on from  this GUI design to completely new GUI design.

By the way, is WebShield & Participation in Avast community required for Cybercapture?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Alikhan on November 04, 2016, 09:45:23 PM
By the way, is WebShield & Participation in Avast community required for Cybercapture?

Yes. Ofcouse CyberCapture needs to be enabled too.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Be Secure on November 05, 2016, 03:49:37 AM
Some feelings about new beta...

- Overall design and coloring are not that bad, some refines are needed
- Font size in settings window is too small
- Main window is too big
- Mojibake (translated text become garble) are around there: see example, attention needed
- HTTPS MITM issue (reported here (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=192534.0)) is still in this beta
Please fix this HTTPS MITM issue quickly@avast.Thanks.@NON
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 05, 2016, 05:49:35 AM
So hardened mode no longer has moderate/aggressive settings?
Nope, it's still there.
I some pics of the GUI, it is no longer there, but when I upgraded my PC it was there.
See pic here and there's "Enable Hardened Mode" with no sub-menu under it to check.
https://www.neowin.net/news/avast-124-beta-released-with-redesigned-user-interface
You need to tick the box to see the sub-menu. ;)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 05, 2016, 07:57:46 AM
You guys just transplanted new skin on top of broken things. Hardened Mode STILL auto enables PUP detection and messes it up all. WHY?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Be Secure on November 05, 2016, 08:31:52 AM
You guys just transplanted new skin on top of broken things. Hardened Mode STILL auto enables PUP detection and messes it up all. WHY?
new skin is look bad.But it's a good option(Hardened Mode STILL auto enables PUP detection).
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 05, 2016, 07:40:07 PM
So hardened mode no longer has moderate/aggressive settings?
Nope, it's still there.
I some pics of the GUI, it is no longer there, but when I upgraded my PC it was there.
See pic here and there's "Enable Hardened Mode" with no sub-menu under it to check.
https://www.neowin.net/news/avast-124-beta-released-with-redesigned-user-interface
You need to tick the box to see the sub-menu. ;)


Ah ok.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Para-Noid on November 06, 2016, 12:11:18 AM
With all due respect, I like this GUI better than the last few years. A lot better than v11.xxx.

1) The color is easy on the eyes. Navigation is getting better, not perfect though.
2) The shield and checkmark remind me of an old AVG product I once had. (Some AVG influence perhaps.)
3) Had to reboot several times for 2281 to stick. GUI kept crashing/failed to open, protection wouldn't start.
4) GUI is way too freaking big/large/huge. No way to resize the GUI window.
5) USB/DVD scan should be automatic. This has been needed for a long time.
6) Finally getting the tabs back on the left-hand side of the GUI. Should be more tabs as in v7.0
7) Help file should be built-in for off line use.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 06, 2016, 05:52:25 AM
So hardened mode no longer has moderate/aggressive settings?
Nope, it's still there.
I some pics of the GUI, it is no longer there, but when I upgraded my PC it was there.
See pic here and there's "Enable Hardened Mode" with no sub-menu under it to check.
https://www.neowin.net/news/avast-124-beta-released-with-redesigned-user-interface
You need to tick the box to see the sub-menu. ;)
Ah ok.  Thanks!
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 06, 2016, 06:53:25 AM
Yeah, avast! is messing up webpages. Either AOS or Web Shield. They just don't load properly or entirely. Most do, but not all.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 06, 2016, 06:59:21 AM
Yeah, avast! is messing up webpages. Either AOS or Web Shield. They just don't load properly or entirely. Most do, but not all.
No problems here. (AOS not installed)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Para-Noid on November 06, 2016, 08:43:16 PM
Couldn't get the AOS to install on any of my four browsers.
Vivaldi, Firefox, Chrome, Edge and IE.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Secondmineboy on November 06, 2016, 08:47:07 PM
Couldn't get the AOS to install on any of my four browsers.
Vivaldi, Firefox, Chrome, Edge and IE.

It auto-installed for me In Chrome.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 07, 2016, 07:32:58 PM
Can I see some screen shots of new ui?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: CraigB on November 07, 2016, 07:35:33 PM
Can I see some screen shots of new ui?
Try looking down through the first page of this Beta topic.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 07, 2016, 08:12:06 PM
Hi
I installed The internet security but i didn't install Safe browser
after installation i wanted to install Safe browser and i installed that from setting and it sayd restart required
i restarted my PC but it sayd restart required again
i did that again but it still says restart required
Please Fix this Bug ;)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 07, 2016, 09:19:54 PM
And
There is another Bug
My PC dosn't shut down
I need to hold the power bottom to shut down my PC
Please fix this bug too
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Eddy on November 07, 2016, 09:27:29 PM
Amir, please start a new thread in this beta forum and provide details.

OS/SP version, what is showing avast is preventing the shutdown etc.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Para-Noid on November 07, 2016, 11:09:31 PM
Hi
I installed The internet security but i didn't install Safe browser
after installation i wanted to install Safe browser and i installed that from setting and it sayd restart required
i restarted my PC but it sayd restart required again
i did that again but it still says restart required
Please Fix this Bug ;)

It's a bug. Similar to this... https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=192808.msg1347474#msg1347474
Evidently it's a bug when adding or removing a component via the GUI.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 08, 2016, 03:27:55 PM

(http://screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1478615302601-61373.png)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0SwVbiXy4w
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 08, 2016, 03:42:18 PM
How can I access the Browser Cleanup Tool via the UI ???
What happened to the standalone tool ???
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 08, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
How can I access the Browser Cleanup Tool via the UI ???
What happened to the standalone tool ???

Is it not under the Scan option. Check out the image on Reply #9 https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=192643.msg1346614#msg1346614 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=192643.msg1346614#msg1346614), Other Scans.

Ah Reply #11 shows the expanded Other Scans, but it doesn't show Browser Clean up. Looks like it has gone missing.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: noelrojasc on November 08, 2016, 05:11:23 PM
Awful GUI ... Horrible purple color, too much lost space ... I hope the final new version will have a better and more finished GUI.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Rednose on November 08, 2016, 06:22:23 PM
How can I access the Browser Cleanup Tool via the UI ???
What happened to the standalone tool ???

Is it not under the Scan option. Check out the image on Reply #9 https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=192643.msg1346614#msg1346614 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=192643.msg1346614#msg1346614), Other Scans.

Ah Reply #11 shows the expanded Other Scans, but it doesn't show Browser Clean up. Looks like it has gone missing.

Guys ::)

From the release notes :
Quote
Known issues:
...
+ SmartScan and Browser Cleanup not finished

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 08, 2016, 06:43:45 PM
Thanks Red ,
Guess I missed that . Thanks
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 08, 2016, 09:45:50 PM
When are the statistics coming back ???
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Rednose on November 08, 2016, 10:11:15 PM
When are the statistics coming back ???

Avast wanted to redesign the Statistics, but as far as I know there is no ETA for it :-\
The "old" Statistics are still available from your Avast Account.

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 08, 2016, 10:23:12 PM
When are the statistics coming back ???

Avast wanted to redesign the Statistics, but as far as I know there is no ETA for it :-\
The "old" Statistics are still available from your Avast Account.

Greetz, Red.

The Statistics page is blank in the my.avast.com account (viewed in your browser) and has been for some time, I have tried it several times but no joy.

It does however work going from the avastUI to your account, not that it is worth the journey as the stats are even less than they were before. I can only assume that the data is coming from a local source and my.avast.com isn't able to access them.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 09, 2016, 05:43:33 AM
When are the statistics coming back ???
Hi Bob, the stats are back already, see Reply #8 & #9.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 09, 2016, 05:53:01 AM
How can I access the Browser Cleanup Tool via the UI ???
What happened to the standalone tool ???
Standalone BCU: https://www.avast.com/browser-cleanup
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 09, 2016, 02:51:26 PM
How can I access the Browser Cleanup Tool via the UI ???
What happened to the standalone tool ???
Standalone BCU: https://www.avast.com/browser-cleanup (https://www.avast.com/browser-cleanup)
Not as complete as it should be. Need to wait till the UI gets finished.
Thanks for the hint on the statistics. :)
(http://screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1478699358966-14938.png)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWx5aTFPYuI
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 10, 2016, 06:09:30 AM
You're welcome Bob. :)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: heikwith on November 10, 2016, 09:17:58 PM
Beta team,
Are my download problems fixed when this beta goes final ?
See https://support.avast.com/support/tickets/563093
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Para-Noid on November 10, 2016, 10:04:20 PM
Beta team,
Are my download problems fixed when this beta goes final ?
See https://support.avast.com/support/tickets/563093

It's difficult to predict as to the behavior on a given system due to the fact that no two systems are exactly alike.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 10, 2016, 10:53:38 PM
Beta team,
Are my download problems fixed when this beta goes final ?
See https://support.avast.com/support/tickets/563093 (https://support.avast.com/support/tickets/563093)
Filing a new support ticket and asking this question might get you an answer. :)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 12, 2016, 06:34:19 PM
Ok I installed the latest beta.  I have to say I like the old GUI more.  Especially the "Home" screen of the new GUI, looks way too barren.  They need to reduce the size if it is going to be that sparse/blank.

The other thing I noticed, and not sure if this is the case with the current program, but running speedtests at the below site gives me a ton of bufferbloat.  If I disable Avast, then I get very little bufferbloat.

dslreports.com/speedtest


Anyone????  I suspect Avast is doing something funky with webtraffic.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: heikwith on November 12, 2016, 08:03:28 PM
Beta team,
Are my download problems fixed when this beta goes final ?
See https://support.avast.com/support/tickets/563093 (https://support.avast.com/support/tickets/563093)
Filing a new support ticket and asking this question might get you an answer. :)
Bob I quote from within my ticket 563093:

Thank you for your response. Our developers are still working on this problem. Hopefully this problem will get fixed with the next program update.
There is a BETA version of the new Avast available now, but I'm afraid this problem isn't yet addressed there. You can check the BETA here: https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=192643.0
I'll leave this ticket open in the meantime and will let you know when the fix version will be released.
Please again accept our apologies for this inconvenience.

So what I asked here was requested in the ticket.

By the way, why talk this two Avast teams not with each other ?

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 12, 2016, 08:07:40 PM
@ Clocks

I'm not sure what you mean by bufferbloat ?

I would suggest that you try speedtest.net and see if it confirms your results with the other check. Whilst I'm not on the current beta, I have maintained similar results over the years (using speedtest.net) that are close to my broadband contract 52Mbps download and 9Mbps upload.

Latest check 51.54Mbps and 8.68Mbps
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 12, 2016, 08:33:56 PM
@ Clocks

I'm not sure what you mean by bufferbloat ?
Quote

https://www.dslreports.com/faq/17883
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 12, 2016, 08:50:12 PM
@ Clocks

I'm not sure what you mean by bufferbloat ?

https://www.dslreports.com/faq/17883

I had never heard of that term before, speedtest.net doesn't report it, but I would have thought if it was that bad it would also be reflected in your download and upload speeds. I ran a test from dlsreports.com and broadly speaking they were very close to my previous speedtest.net results.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 12, 2016, 09:07:15 PM
It may be more noticable with a faster connection.  I recently got a 1gb connection.  When I run the DSL Reports tests without Avast, I get Bufferbloat around 10-80ms, and score an "A".  With Avast, it is like 800-thousands with a "F" score.  I suspect Avast is doing something weird with web traffic, or maybe something related to this:

https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=192534.0
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 12, 2016, 10:07:02 PM
Well avast would/should be scanning web traffic, after all that is what it is for. The higher the broadband connection, there is a possibility that you would experience a bottleneck elsewhere in the system, whilst scanning catches up with the downloaded data. Be that HDD, CPU or possibly RAM, but it is hard to say.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 12, 2016, 10:32:08 PM
Well avast would/should be scanning web traffic, after all that is what it is for. The higher the broadband connection, there is a possibility that you would experience a bottleneck elsewhere in the system, whilst scanning catches up with the downloaded data. Be that HDD, CPU or possibly RAM, but it is hard to say.

I dont have the issue with other AVs though, so it has to be something unique to what Avast is doing.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 12, 2016, 10:35:28 PM
I don't have the problem with other Av's either. Maybe that's because I don't use them ???
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 12, 2016, 11:00:22 PM
Well avast would/should be scanning web traffic, after all that is what it is for. The higher the broadband connection, there is a possibility that you would experience a bottleneck elsewhere in the system, whilst scanning catches up with the downloaded data. Be that HDD, CPU or possibly RAM, but it is hard to say.

I dont have the issue with other AVs though, so it has to be something unique to what Avast is doing.

It isn't just a case of not having problems with other AVs, not all of them are scanning your web content.

I haven't used any other AV other than avast for twelve and a half years (without issue in relation to the web shield), so I can't speak about other AVs and how they might or might not have an impact.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 13, 2016, 06:14:12 AM
Well avast would/should be scanning web traffic, after all that is what it is for. The higher the broadband connection, there is a possibility that you would experience a bottleneck elsewhere in the system, whilst scanning catches up with the downloaded data. Be that HDD, CPU or possibly RAM, but it is hard to say.
I dont have the issue with other AVs though, so it has to be something unique to what Avast is doing.
Dave is spot-on, read here: https://www.avast.com/en-eu/faq.php?article=AVKB203#idt_100
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 13, 2016, 07:41:26 PM
I like the new UI alot, from what I have seen in pics. That yellow was just  :-\ The window size is also spot on. More than often AV windows are small and doesn't work that well. The font should be the same as for your web page, that looks stunning. Can't wait for the final release then i will renew.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 13, 2016, 07:48:48 PM
Just another question. Going back a few versions. Is the girl still speaking when for example there was an update made? Thanks.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 13, 2016, 08:05:49 PM
Just another question. Going back a few versions. Is the girl still speaking when for example there was an update made? Thanks.
Take a look here:
C:\ProgramData\AVAST Software\Avast\sounds\1033
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: noelrojasc on November 15, 2016, 04:09:50 PM
I know this is just a matter of design, but ... since Avast and AVG are integrated now, I think it would be the opportunity for the new Avast interface to take advantage of the benefits of the AVG GUI. The GUI of the new Avast beta version looks so poor, unpolished, unprofessional ... Why not take the opportunity to integrate the Avast and AVG GUI's?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 15, 2016, 04:19:39 PM
Guess that all depends on what you like. :)
Different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 15, 2016, 09:17:01 PM
I know this is just a matter of design, but ... since Avast and AVG are integrated now, I think it would be the opportunity for the new Avast interface to take advantage of the benefits of the AVG GUI. The GUI of the new Avast beta version looks so poor, unpolished, unprofessional ... Why not take the opportunity to integrate the Avast and AVG GUI's?

God, just not that. You'd take the worst example. AVG has the worst interface out there. Main panel not even so much, the submenus are horrendous. Huge elements on tiny surfaces with everything cluttered with awful visibility.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: noelrojasc on November 16, 2016, 12:06:19 PM
My point is this: I hope that for the new version of Avast, the new GUI will not stay like the one in this beta, but it will improve a lot and look with professional quality. I was shocked with the low level of the Beta skin, but I suppose it is a draft and not the final version. I have great expectations for the new version, and I imagine that Avast will surprise us as always with a product of excellent quality.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 16, 2016, 02:03:01 PM
My point is this: I hope that for the new version of Avast, the new GUI will not stay like the one in this beta, but it will improve a lot and look with professional quality. I was shocked with the low level of the Beta skin, but I suppose it is a draft and not the final version. I have great expectations for the new version, and I imagine that Avast will surprise us as always with a product of excellent quality.
Excellent quality of an AV product lies in it's ability to keep us safe.
I personally couldn't care less what it looks like as long as it does it's job.
Being pretty to look at means nothing if it doesn't protect you. :)
I also think the new color scheme isn't bad. :)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: noelrojasc on November 16, 2016, 06:53:55 PM
Thank you, Bob, for sharing your ideas with me. I appreciate that.

As I said, I stick with Avast, and I'm sure the new version will be great. In protection and design.

Best regards!
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Patrick2 on November 16, 2016, 10:18:42 PM
was mentioned earlier in this Thread that Anti Ransomware is coming Quarter 1 2017, wondering though if that will be in just Paid Products and not the Free version of avast? 

Beta working fine on Windows 7 Home 32bit little system,  Windows 10 Pro 64bit, kept having sleep issues, and memory management bsod's, so for the time being Windows 10 Pro 64bit system on stable build or til this betas final possibly

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 16, 2016, 10:47:40 PM
was mentioned earlier in this Thread that Anti Ransomware is coming Quarter 1 2017, wondering though if that will be in just Paid Products and not the Free version of avast? 

Beta working fine on Windows 7 Home 32bit little system,  Windows 10 Pro 64bit, kept having sleep issues, and memory management bsod's, so for the time being Windows 10 Pro 64bit system on stable build or til this betas final possibly
What build of Windows 10 are you running ???
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Patrick2 on November 16, 2016, 11:31:03 PM
Windows 10 Pro 64bit, build 1607 14393.447 is the one i'm running, Stable, Release Channel build


BSOD's happened twice, I tried it twice, second time corrupted my entire user account, so then did a system reset, and installed stable build after that. 

did post about it in the forum here I believe afterwards though


Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 16, 2016, 11:53:39 PM
Thanks, I'm running build 14936 without problems so it shouldn't be the Windows build if you're running the latest stable version of Avast.

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Patrick2 on November 16, 2016, 11:57:18 PM
Might Continue testing Avast 12.4 on the Windows 7 Home SP1  PC, and when it's final update from 12.3, or clean install to 12.4 on the Windows 10 Systems, not sure why it bsod'd, hasn't since at all...secondary external drive don't really trust for image restore procedure lately, as it's old, despite shows good with Crystal diskinfo, I should I could do a new image with macirum and test 12.4 more on this system, if happened again, submit more info possibly.

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Staticguy on November 17, 2016, 04:54:09 AM
I know this is just a matter of design, but ... since Avast and AVG are integrated now, I think it would be the opportunity for the new Avast interface to take advantage of the benefits of the AVG GUI. The GUI of the new Avast beta version looks so poor, unpolished, unprofessional ... Why not take the opportunity to integrate the Avast and AVG GUI's?

You gotta be joking! This is the gui of the new avast beta?  :o It looks like the 2016. I was expecting a better gui in 2017, though i don't install beta programs. I have AVG 2016 installed in my desktop computer.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: A. User on November 18, 2016, 07:50:28 PM
IMO keep the current overall design, change only the color theme as the AVG's one (really like the dark theme and bright green) and make the menu adjustments that Rejzor proposed in a different thread.  8)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: kenny556 on November 21, 2016, 07:09:01 AM
Next beta should be out soon?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 21, 2016, 03:13:39 PM
Next beta should be out soon?

That's what they said about this one ;)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: noelrojasc on November 21, 2016, 03:57:30 PM
Next release coming early next year. Next beta ... we don't know. Hope it will be soon.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 22, 2016, 08:45:57 AM
Any info on next beta? Current one doesn't really tackle anything other than front GUI and even this one is heavily incomplete beyond actual front panel. Menus, settings and popups underneath are identical to old ones.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Rednose on November 22, 2016, 11:49:59 PM
Nope, I don't know anything either.

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 23, 2016, 01:58:45 AM
How important is the webshield?  I normally would install just the file & web shields.  But since the webshield seems to be doing something odd with my internet connection (see buffer bloat comments earlier in thread), I am now only running the file shield.  I realize I would be vulnerable to phising sites.  Anything else to worry about?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 23, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
Well, Web Shield plays a quite significant role in protection so I'd recommend installing it.

Key Web Shield roles:
- blocks malware and exploits before they reach actual browser
- intercepts malware on clean sites that might be delivered through external iFrame (hijacked 3rd party ads)
- blocks known malware distribution websites/domains (useful for blocking web generated polymorphic malware where every download from same web address generates different EXE)
- triggers CyberCapture feature on unknown files
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on November 23, 2016, 10:20:48 AM
Well, Web Shield plays a quite significant role in protection so I'd recommend installing it.
+1
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 23, 2016, 02:01:54 PM
I consider it to be the most important of all the shields.
Most threats come through the internet.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 23, 2016, 02:32:42 PM
I consider it to be the most important of all the shields.
Most threats come through the internet.

+1
Preventing it getting on the system, is better than trying to catch it if it gets on the system.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 23, 2016, 05:38:21 PM
Seems to knock about 200meg of my download speeds (besides the bufferbloat issue).   :-\
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Alikhan on November 23, 2016, 08:17:51 PM
Any news on the next BETA @ avast team?

Been a while now without any updates.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: CraigB on November 26, 2016, 07:00:08 PM
when come this final
They don't give release dates, it's ready when it ready :)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: cristianojgm on November 28, 2016, 09:25:54 PM
When will we have a suspicious software monitor like AVG?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 28, 2016, 09:53:00 PM
When will we have a suspicious software monitor like AVG?

Well with CyberCapture, DeepScreen  and Hardened Mode, you could say that is already there.

Now that Avast has a controlling interest in A V G that the various functions would merge.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: A. User on November 28, 2016, 10:13:52 PM
CyberCapture is a default-deny with cloud submission and analysis, hardened mode is a whitelist/file reputation. What he is asking for is the Identity protection behavior blocker. Deepscreen is the one that most looks like this, it runs the program and checks what it does. But i feel that it is not good enough. For me it is not like a BB since it runs the program for a limited time and i guess the only function is to decloak obfuscated malware.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 28, 2016, 11:55:45 PM
Quote from:  link=topic=192643.msg1351436#msg1351436 date=1480367632
CyberCapture is a default-deny with cloud submission and analysis, hardened mode is a whitelist/file reputation. What he is asking for is the Identity protection behavior blocker. Deepscreen is the one that most looks like this, it runs the program and checks what it does. But i feel that it is not good enough. For me it is not like a BB since it runs the program for a limited time and i guess the only function is to decloak obfuscated malware.

I would say his post isn't that clear.

When will we have a suspicious software monitor like AVG?

I have highlighted why I believed it to be software rather than system monitoring.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: cristianojgm on November 29, 2016, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from:  link=topic=192643.msg1351436#msg1351436 date=1480367632
CyberCapture is a default-deny with cloud submission and analysis, hardened mode is a whitelist/file reputation. What he is asking for is the Identity protection behavior blocker. Deepscreen is the one that most looks like this, it runs the program and checks what it does. But i feel that it is not good enough. For me it is not like a BB since it runs the program for a limited time and i guess the only function is to decloak obfuscated malware.

That's right!
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on November 29, 2016, 05:20:31 PM
I also wonder how AVG's Identity protecion module would be implemented in Avast, considering that it has already deepscreen and cybercapture for suspicious files  ???
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: A. User on November 29, 2016, 05:23:33 PM
I also wonder how AVG's Identity protecion module would be implemented in Avast, considering that it has already deepscreen and cybercapture for suspicious files  ???
Because you cannot rely only on Machine learning, heuristics and virus signatures. Behavior blocker is very much needed for proper protection and Avast does not have one. Never ever seen the HIPS show me a warning like Comodo's one or even like the Qihoo's one. Even Comodo has a behavior blocker.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: A. User on November 29, 2016, 05:27:43 PM
@Garret, sorry, i misunderstood you and thought that you asked WHY it has to be implemented and not HOW. I've red your question just at a first look.  :-\
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: cristianojgm on November 29, 2016, 05:38:34 PM
I've seen a lot of trojans go through the deepscreen. Cybercapture takes a long time for the file to be scanned in the cloud.
  Identity Module proteccion of AVG is an excellent reinforcement for avast in protection. In conjunction with Deepscreen and cybercapture would make avast one of the best against malware.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: A. User on November 29, 2016, 05:52:43 PM
I've seen a lot of trojans go through the deepscreen. Cybercapture takes a long time for the file to be scanned in the cloud.
  Identity Module proteccion of AVG is an excellent reinforcement for avast in protection. In conjunction with Deepscreen and cybercapture would make avast one of the best against malware.
Avast has a lot of potential IMO. CyberCapture is a default-deny just like Comodo, and default-deny is the best protection which you can get. I have to say that while you say that while 3-4 hours look like a very long time for an analysis, please note that they are checking many files since default-deny means scanning much more files than only sending suspicious files for analysis. This is a very good speed for a first try. The true challenge is to keep up the current speed of analysis while expanding the vectors that activate CyberCapture since it's not really invoked all the times now like it should. In my opinion they should expand the vectors that activate Cybercapture and also allow the free users to run the files in temporary custody in the Sandbox. Here i mean just files submitted for CC analysis and not every file that they want, which will be kept for paid users like it is now. Adding Identity Protection is very good, but they should make a team and not sack the AVG analysts but make a special dedicated team to improve continuously Identity protection as an in-house technology (adapted LOL). Otherwise Avast really are getting very good at the statistical detection of malware. :)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: neverseen76 on November 29, 2016, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from:  link=topic=192643.msg1351565#msg1351565 date=1480436863
@Garret, sorry, i misunderstood you and thought that you asked WHY it has to be implemented and not HOW. I've red your question just at a first look.  :-\

Nevermind :) (It is always me. I just have another registred account) 

I would like to see IDP implemented in Avast too, because it is the best component of AVG, but don't understand how exactly they are going to mix it with Cybercapture. I mean: IDP checks the behaviour of a file and looks for some suspicious activity that it performs on the system, but in order to check it, IDP needs that file to run on the user's system. Cybercapture doesn't let the file run, it blocks it and send to Avast server for analysis. Maybe they will just add IDP to their cloud infrastructure?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 29, 2016, 10:12:40 PM
Well, it's possible they'll use IDP's logic on CyberCapture. Meaning they'll still run the samples on remote servers, but with more extensive behavioral analysis.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Alikhan on November 29, 2016, 10:16:46 PM
Well, it's possible they'll use IDP's logic on CyberCapture. Meaning they'll still run the samples on remote servers, but with more extensive behavioral analysis.

They need to get CyberCapture to scan from more sources than the web and not only exe files too. CyberCapture is too limited atm.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on November 29, 2016, 10:47:26 PM
Well, it's possible they'll use IDP's logic on CyberCapture. Meaning they'll still run the samples on remote servers, but with more extensive behavioral analysis.

They need to get CyberCapture to scan from more sources than the web and not only exe files too. CyberCapture is too limited atm.

Avast have already stated that is their intention, but first they really have to get the existing selected source working to a higher degree before expanding it to other sources.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 29, 2016, 10:57:11 PM
It's also possible they'll keep CyberCapture for online samples only and IDP for everything local or from USB drives. Plus, IDP's logic could allow them to track even local sources, allowing them to create more advanced tracking of the files and where they came from.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on November 29, 2016, 11:42:27 PM
https://blog.avast.com/an-in-depth-look-at-the-technology-behind-cybercapture
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 30, 2016, 08:38:04 AM
Yup, as I've suspected, CyberCapture isn't just behavioral analysis system, but involves a list of checks through which each sample goes during analysis. I mean, it's pointless to perform demanding real-time execution and behavior observation if one of the less demanding systems can already spot something as malware. I'm assuming behavior analysis always come at the very end if all the other checks don't raise an alarm already.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: A. User on November 30, 2016, 10:44:43 AM
So from what i've seen in that article it means that IDP will be used in CyberCapture and Avast wants to go default-deny.


Two things that i have requested in the last year were AMSI and ELAM. It seems that Avast now uses AMSI, but not ELAM. Here is one more reason to import the already used ELAM in AVG to Avast: better service self-protection (https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn313124(v=vs.85).aspx) (plus the better anti-rootkit). What is the meaning of Secure Boot when there is no ELAM!? I know that there have been issues in flawed Microsoft Secure boot keys, but these can be patched in coordination with the OEMs and i am sure that Secure Boot is here to stay.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on November 30, 2016, 10:04:15 PM
Well, for default deny capability you need massive userbase so you can monitor files and build whitelist. avast! with AVG's combined userbase will be the biggest in the world with around half a billion users.

Though, if we are entirely honest here, what avast! is doing now is not Default-Deny. That would be if Hardened mode (Aggressive) was a default out of the box setting. Or when CyberCapture holds verdict for every new file no matter the source. Currently with it being limited to online only, it certainly isn't that. Comodo is pushing the "Default Deny" heavily, but it's way over their head and their arrogance and ignorance is beating them to the ground. avast! on the other hand has the resources and competence to pull it off properly.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: kenny556 on December 02, 2016, 08:16:31 AM
The amount of time it's taking to release this beta. This must be the best version avast! Has ever released L0L.......
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bruce_b on December 02, 2016, 11:48:37 PM
It is always better to take the time to be sure everything works as it should. The fast track release schedule, in my view, is a sure fire way to release software with some sort of bug in it. And I hope they are continuing to support XP as a lot of computers (I have one on XP PRO SP3 and another on Win 10 Home 64 Bit) are still running XP
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: A. User on December 03, 2016, 12:05:07 AM
Now i am thinking that there should be at least some behavioral blocking rules enforced locally at the system just for exploit protection. In order for CyberCapture to be enough they should make it to kick in in all possible ways for a file to come to the system. Also an antiransomware component can benefit from it, stopping unauthorized programs from modifying your private files without consent. For example Panda distinguishes between behavioral analysis and behavioral blocking.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Eddy on December 03, 2016, 12:24:03 AM
avast has been working on something to prevent systems from getting infected with ransomware for many months.
But they are very quiet about it so it is unknown to us users what the status/progress of it is.

Cybercapture can't kick in before a file comes to the system.
Simply because it has to be on the system to create the hash for a file.
If the file is not present, a hash can't be created and therefor not be send to avast.

Quote
stopping unauthorized programs from modifying your private files
And how should avast know what files are private or not?
Only way is to tell avast meaning that even if you create e.g. a draft for a letter in notepad that you want to print and send by regular mail to someone, let avast know it is a private file.
Another problem is...
What are unauthorized programs ?
Any file can be changed with e.g. notepad.
So it notepad to be considered as a unauthorized application
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on December 03, 2016, 01:00:48 AM
<snip>
Cybercapture can't kick in before a file comes to the system.
Simply because it has to be on the system to create the hash for a file.
If the file is not present, a hash can't be created and therefor not be send to avast.
<snip>

I don't think that is entirely correct, given that it currently only monitoring executables being downloaded from the web.

At some point a hash has to be calculated be that as it is being scanned (in a temp location) as it is downloaded and finally saved. It must be a fine line as to exactly when this has is calculated.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on December 03, 2016, 09:00:00 AM
avast has been working on something to prevent systems from getting infected with ransomware for many months.
But they are very quiet about it so it is unknown to us users what the status/progress of it is.

Cybercapture can't kick in before a file comes to the system.
Simply because it has to be on the system to create the hash for a file.
If the file is not present, a hash can't be created and therefor not be send to avast.

Quote
stopping unauthorized programs from modifying your private files
And how should avast know what files are private or not?
Only way is to tell avast meaning that even if you create e.g. a draft for a letter in notepad that you want to print and send by regular mail to someone, let avast know it is a private file.
Another problem is...
What are unauthorized programs ?
Any file can be changed with e.g. notepad.
So it notepad to be considered as a unauthorized application

In a nut shell, image, music and movie files as well as document files like .doc and .pdf are considered as private documents. As I've talked about it, this could easily be done and yet avast! for some reason hasn't implemented it even though it could easily be done with everything they already have integrated inside avast! and be very effective at it.

They already have extensive whitelist, they already have HIPS which has the ability to monitor what launches what, they'd just have to add simple menu to control apps that aren't whitelisted yet and few graphics and a new popup. And that's it. Ransomware has been on the rise for months now and releasing it so late into the game, not sure how much sense does it make other than the fact they have to add it because it's a norm now to have protection for that. But they could be innovating it months ago and protecting users ahead of time...
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on December 03, 2016, 09:35:06 AM
And I hope they are continuing to support XP as a lot of computers (I have one on XP PRO SP3 and another on Win 10 Home 64 Bit) are still running XP
Until now, no problems here on XP. :)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bruce_b on December 03, 2016, 01:20:19 PM
Yes, I also run XP and am on 12.4.2280 .. I was only concerned if support for XP would continue into the future.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on December 03, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
Yes, I also run XP and am on 12.4.2280 .. I was only concerned if support for XP would continue into the future.
Technology advances. Windows XP is stagnant and has been for some time. There will be a time where
Avast, the program, will require features not supported or available on Windows XP. When that happens, XP will no longer be supported.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bruce_b on December 03, 2016, 02:09:08 PM
That in itself will not be an issue, as long as the definitions can still be updated for the final version supported for an OS .. One reason I chose Avast is because of their continuing support for XP and it is a relatively light antivirus. Now for me, I only run the AV it self. I do not bother with Safe Zone or Browser Plug Ins or use of the Avast Software Updater
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on December 03, 2016, 04:25:53 PM
Yes, I also run XP and am on 12.4.2280 .. I was only concerned if support for XP would continue into the future.
Check my sig, I'm running the latest beta. ;)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bruce_b on December 03, 2016, 04:28:07 PM
I will wait till the final release. Sometimes betas cause many problems.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on December 03, 2016, 04:31:29 PM
I will wait till the final release. Sometimes betas cause many problems.
That's OK. But, it should answer your question if XP is still supported.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: cristianojgm on December 03, 2016, 05:04:11 PM
Does the HIPS that comes in avast serve as a behavior monitor?.
Today the window appeared here.
(http://i.imgur.com/BtsCOz3.png)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: A. User on December 03, 2016, 10:20:32 PM
avast has been working on something to prevent systems from getting infected with ransomware for many months.
But they are very quiet about it so it is unknown to us users what the status/progress of it is.

Cybercapture can't kick in before a file comes to the system.
Simply because it has to be on the system to create the hash for a file.
If the file is not present, a hash can't be created and therefor not be send to avast.

Quote
stopping unauthorized programs from modifying your private files
And how should avast know what files are private or not?
Only way is to tell avast meaning that even if you create e.g. a draft for a letter in notepad that you want to print and send by regular mail to someone, let avast know it is a private file.
Another problem is...
What are unauthorized programs ?
Any file can be changed with e.g. notepad.
So it notepad to be considered as a unauthorized application
They have a large whitelist, they can authorize the most common text editors, image viewers and such programs to modify protected files. There will be protected directories like %userprofile%\Documents and %userprofile%\Pictures. There can also be protected extensions like .docx and .jpg. If for some reason a file was not submitted to CyberCapture and tries to modify such files, it would be a good idea to invoke it. Why Avast has to wait more, Bitdefender and Kaspersky have already released good working solutions.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on December 05, 2016, 11:44:31 PM
i think a little bug during scanner, found bad add-ons but there are nothing to resolve.
i put screenshot

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on December 06, 2016, 01:57:12 PM
исправьте. Бета версия последняя
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: anarkii on December 07, 2016, 12:06:26 AM
Is there an ETA on a build that addresses the system not powering off when shut down?
That is the only thing stopping me from downloading and using the beta.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on December 07, 2016, 12:16:37 AM
Is there an ETA on a build that addresses the system not powering off when shut down?
That is the only thing stopping me from downloading and using the beta.
Wow, didn't realize it was this build of Avast that was causing the problem.  :o
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on December 07, 2016, 09:12:35 PM
Is there an ETA on a build that addresses the system not powering off when shut down?
That is the only thing stopping me from downloading and using the beta.
Wow, didn't realize it was this build of Avast that was causing the problem.  :o

I've been wondering WTH has been going on with my PC lately.  Didn't realize it was Avast.  Guess it will bet uninstalled for a while.

Should this be listed under the known issues?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on December 07, 2016, 10:28:33 PM
Is there an ETA on a build that addresses the system not powering off when shut down?
That is the only thing stopping me from downloading and using the beta.
Wow, didn't realize it was this build of Avast that was causing the problem.  :o

I've been wondering WTH has been going on with my PC lately.  Didn't realize it was Avast.  Guess it will bet uninstalled for a while.

Should this be listed under the known issues?
Simply do a clean install of the current release: https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=189836.0
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on December 08, 2016, 01:44:30 PM
When the planned release date Avast with the new interface. Near the end of the year it's time. And soon the new year there like in the early decades of planning in the light of a new product. Something long haul bethke
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on December 08, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
When the planned release date Avast with the new interface. Near the end of the year it's time. And soon the new year there like in the early decades of planning in the light of a new product. Something long haul bethke
A new version will be released when it's ready. Currently we are still beta testing the first release of a new version.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on December 08, 2016, 02:32:21 PM
Thanks for the reply awake to wait for the product in the light
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: TrueIndian on December 08, 2016, 04:34:40 PM
Alright been busy with assignments...Just downloaded....Running flawlessly.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on December 08, 2016, 09:45:59 PM
A month has passed, would be nice to get some feedback from the team as well on our opinions about the main GUI. Same goes for a new update with more settings designed under new GUI theme. This current beta feels more like a draft, a rough idea what it should look like, but is nowhere near finished.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on December 08, 2016, 09:58:44 PM
Is there an ETA on a build that addresses the system not powering off when shut down?
That is the only thing stopping me from downloading and using the beta.
Wow, didn't realize it was this build of Avast that was causing the problem.  :o
I can confirm that the Windows 10 Shutdown Problem is related to this beta release of Avast.
I did a simple uninstall (via Programs and Features) of  Avast and the shutdown problem is gone.
(http://screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1481230532536-3207.png)

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: noelrojasc on December 08, 2016, 10:13:53 PM
A month has passed, would be nice to get some feedback from the team as well on our opinions about the main GUI. Same goes for a new update with more settings designed under new GUI theme. This current beta feels more like a draft, a rough idea what it should look like, but is nowhere near finished.

I agree totally!
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: anarkii on December 12, 2016, 02:43:37 PM
Is there an ETA on a build that addresses the system not powering off when shut down?
That is the only thing stopping me from downloading and using the beta.
Wow, didn't realize it was this build of Avast that was causing the problem.  :o

I've been wondering WTH has been going on with my PC lately.  Didn't realize it was Avast.  Guess it will bet uninstalled for a while.

Should this be listed under the known issues?
Simply do a clean install of the current release: https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=189836.0

It is always the first thing I do when testing betas.
This build was on my machine for a week until I realised when powering off my PC for the night, it simply wouldn't do that, the system would log out, close apps etc, but the power and machine would still be powered up (think, screensaver mode without the screensaver).
The beta hasn't been updated since its initial release November 3rd. I've seen posts saying that the fix was already noted and already in a internal build since, but we, the public, have gotten no new builds since that first release back on November 3rd.

Hence my question of if we will see a new build soon.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on December 12, 2016, 07:23:38 PM
Would be nice if the beta builds were a bit more frequent. It's almost 1 month and a half now and still no new beta build. Which is really weird...
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on December 12, 2016, 08:20:39 PM
Would be nice if the beta builds were a bit more frequent. It's almost 1 month and a half now and still no new beta build. Which is really weird...

Seems maybe the focus is on the AVG side, based on how much of Avast has been ported into that beta.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: bob3160 on December 12, 2016, 11:01:14 PM
I'd be happy with a bug fix. The shutdown bug isn't nice and needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Patrick2 on December 12, 2016, 11:42:55 PM
I Had to backout of the testing on my Windows 10 Pro 1607 64bit PC, as some reason 2 memory management bsods occurred and messed up user profile, resulting in clean system install since system image drive didn't wanna start up from enclosure lol, and no real room inside for another drive.

Running fine with Stable 12.3 version though

I'd be happy with a bug fix that fixed the bsod issue, shutdown issue, and i'd gladly test 12.4 version again

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: anarkii on December 13, 2016, 01:57:46 AM
I Had to backout of the testing on my Windows 10 Pro 1607 64bit PC, as some reason 2 memory management bsods occurred and messed up user profile, resulting in clean system install since system image drive didn't wanna start up from enclosure lol, and no real room inside for another drive.

Running fine with Stable 12.3 version though

I'd be happy with a bug fix that fixed the bsod issue, shutdown issue, and i'd gladly test 12.4 version again

I never had problems with any BSODs, but im in the same boat.
I want to beta test it, but the shutdown issue is too big for me for keep testing it. Was to frustrating.

Hopefully an updated beta will arrive soon if the developers see these posts.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: MartinZ on December 13, 2016, 09:20:49 AM
Hi,

next beta of Avast will be published in Jan and final release soon after that. This delay is caused by the fact that similar teams work also on the new AVG release. Please bear with us during these few weeks, we plan to restore the monthly releases in Q1 for both brands AVAST and AVG.
Thanks
Martin
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Be Secure on December 13, 2016, 09:29:58 AM
Hi,

next beta of Avast will be published in Jan and final release soon after that. This delay is caused by the fact that similar teams work also on the new AVG release. Please bear with us during these few weeks, we plan to restore the monthly releases in Q1 for both brands AVAST and AVG.
Thanks
Martin
+1.Don't forget anti-ransomware. ;)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: cristianojgm on December 13, 2016, 09:30:50 PM
Do not forget the IDP in avast.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: RejZoR on December 13, 2016, 11:50:05 PM
Hi,

next beta of Avast will be published in Jan and final release soon after that. This delay is caused by the fact that similar teams work also on the new AVG release. Please bear with us during these few weeks, we plan to restore the monthly releases in Q1 for both brands AVAST and AVG.
Thanks
Martin

So, not a single avast! BETA till January? That's an awkward decision...
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: DavidR on December 14, 2016, 12:04:49 AM
<snip quote>
So, not a single avast! BETA till January? That's an awkward decision...

I would call that very, very awkward, Avast paid how much for a controlling interest in AVG and here is AVG getting the lions share of the benefits before Avast. I call that very strange.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Rednose on December 14, 2016, 12:32:30 AM
If I were Avast, I wouldn't plan the release of both new Avast and AVG at the end of Januari.
The Holidays are comming so time is very short now, also for Beta testing.
I would postpone both releases to the end of Februari.

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Patrick2 on December 14, 2016, 03:21:51 AM
I think postponeing at least the Final Version for both programs to February might be a wise decision, as you also gonna have to prepare both programs for Windows 10 Creators Update supposedly coming out in March,  If Next Beta is released for Avast released in January, then Final released at End of January for both programs,  Then February it's rush madhouse beta testing to make sure ready for Creators update which is due sometime in March. 

Right Now the Preview of Creators builds don't even work with Avast last I heard,  so seems like a lot to do between now and March

Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Be Secure on December 14, 2016, 03:49:50 AM
<snip quote>
So, not a single avast! BETA till January? That's an awkward decision...

I would call that very, very awkward, Avast paid how much for a controlling interest in AVG and here is AVG getting the lions share of the benefits before Avast. I call that very strange.
+1.Indeed.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on December 14, 2016, 04:00:07 AM
<snip quote>
So, not a single avast! BETA till January? That's an awkward decision...

I would call that very, very awkward, Avast paid how much for a controlling interest in AVG and here is AVG getting the lions share of the benefits before Avast. I call that very strange.

It's early, not to mention Avast gets any revenue from both companies.  It all rolls up to Avast ownership in the end.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on December 14, 2016, 08:15:57 AM
does new beta support Windows 10 14986 ???
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: CraigB on December 14, 2016, 08:18:25 AM
does new beta support Windows 10 14986 ???
Read the first post where "Known Issues" are mentioned
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Lord_Ami on December 14, 2016, 11:40:43 AM
Obviously they have their hands full of work so I don't see a problem with January release.

I rather see a more stable product. People must really research how software is made ;) its not like they are artificially delaying it.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Asyn on December 14, 2016, 11:46:05 AM
Obviously they have their hands full of work so I don't see a problem with January release.
I rather see a more stable product. People must really research how software is made ;) its not like they are artificially delaying it.
True, but what others mentioned/criticised was that AVG is updated prior to Avast.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Alikhan on December 14, 2016, 12:03:07 PM
I also expected Avast to be updated first but we will have to wait really. Releasing a BETA the previous month for Avast and not continuing with it wasn't the smartest move imo.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Charvin on December 15, 2016, 05:05:00 AM
Some issues of this beta.

1. It failed to prevent a malware from running (Intentional test Image.exe)
2. The real time shield is not working.
3. Full system scan does not work.
4. Boot time scan does not initiate.
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Be Secure on December 15, 2016, 05:47:45 AM
Some issues of this beta.

1. It failed to prevent a malware from running (Intentional test Image.exe)
2. The real time shield is not working.
3. Full system scan does not work.
4. Boot time scan does not initiate.
1.Can you provide Virus Total result of  that file?
2,3,4.Did you try repair?
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: Charvin on December 15, 2016, 06:34:28 AM
Yes, I tried repair a while ago and the scan issue was still there. Thus decided to go back to a stable version.
After the scan with the stable free edition, it found over 70 Infections! which slipped through the beta.

I can't find the file again since i have since completely removed that from the system. A reference can be found here
: http://www.freefixer.com/library/file/images.exe-66608/ (http://www.freefixer.com/library/file/images.exe-66608/)
Title: Re: Beta version released - 12.4.2281
Post by: REDACTED on December 25, 2016, 05:34:01 PM
In early January sledushchego year and the release of the final plan by the end of January or beginning of February. Something in this framework.