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Title: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Vlk on April 09, 2006, 10:21:25 AM
Avast 4.7 has now been officially released (build number is 4.7.817). Use the Program Update menu option in avast GUI to install it. Thanks.


Hi *,

here I'm again. A new version, 4.7, of avast Home/Pro coming soon (my guess is in about a week) and as usual, it's my pleasure to announce the availability of a pre-release version of this update.

How to install it (for starters - most people already know this trick anyway ): simply download and run the following program: http://files.avast.com/files/beta/aswbeta.exe . That's about all it takes (provided you have the latest version of avast Home/Pro already installed, of course; if you don't, you can easily download it from the main www.avast.con website).


As the new version number suggests, this update is quite a big one and brings significant number of changes and improvements. Most of them, however, are hidden under the hood so most users will not even notice them (but they're real, trust me :)).

The improvements include:
- a new data storage (called "SQLT). Both ODBC and XML data storage is now OBSOLETE. We will be removing the reference to the XML storage from our FAQ entries. RejZoR should remove the storage-manipulation option from his AEC, if it's still there.

- WinXP+: the Standard Shield now implements a nice new feature, "do not scan system libraries" (by default on). This should dramatically decrease the number of files scanned during computer boot. For now, it only works with XP SP2 in the following language versions English, French, German, Italian, Portuguese (Brazil), Polish, Czech. And the English version of Windows 2003 Server

- the boot-time scanner now has considerably improved support for archive scanning

- the mail scanner module ("Internet Mail" provider) has been significantly changed to improve the overall user experience, especially in case of slow connections (dial-up...). Namely, most of (if not all) the "Timeout expired"-related problems should be gone now.

- the action "delete/move files on next reboot" has now been made malware resistant. We now use the boot-time scanner engine to perform those actions.


A more complete list of changes and fixes will be published when the update goes official.



Any comments on this milestone release are welcome and appreciated!


Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: alanrf on April 09, 2006, 10:23:45 AM
In the Internet Mail scanner, I notice that the connection timeout box is now unchecked after I installed the update.  I suppose that is one way of stopping the timeouts ... but was it intended?
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: greenhatch on April 09, 2006, 10:28:37 AM
Inexperienced users (like me) should be warned that Beta means just that? In other words, instal at your own risk as v 4.7 not yet 'finished'? Any time scale as to when it might be finalised, Vlk?
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 10:30:39 AM
ODBC/XML tweak was removed from avast! External Control when you added the option for it under Troubleshooting menu ;)
No need to have tweaker for something that program ca do itself :)

Just updated, here is report if you need it:
Quote
Information about current update:
Total time: 2:08

- Program: Updated
  (previous version: 4.6.763, updated version: 4.7.807)
- Vps: Already up to date
  (current version 0615-0)
- Setup: Updated
  (previous version: 4.6.763, updated version: 4.7.807)

Server: www2.asw.cz (195.47.75.56)
Downloaded files: 9 (5.179,68 KB)
Download time: 1:34

@Greenhatch
As Vlk said in about a week, we'll get the final release ;)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Vlk on April 09, 2006, 10:32:39 AM
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In the Internet Mail scanner, I notice that the connection timeout box is now unchecked after I installed the update.  I suppose that is one way of stopping the timeouts ... but was it intended?


Yes; the way it works now, it is not needed anymore because your mail client ITSELF will report the timeout if there's really one. That is, the two pipes (client -> avast, and avast -> mailserver) that the mail scanner maintains are now kept in synch...

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Any time scale as to when it might be finalised, Vlk?


As I said in the original post, very soon. In about a week.


Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 10:36:40 AM
Vlk, just spotted first bug.

There are "Tlen" entries listed 3 times under Instant Messaging provider.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: alanrf on April 09, 2006, 10:39:22 AM
Vlk,

I admit I have complained loudly about the ineffectiveness of the inbound (port 110) timeout check but what about the avast users who have only become aware of a spambot infestation because avast warned them of a timeout condition on the outbound side (port 25) that had nothing whatsoever to do with their mail client? 
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 10:43:26 AM
I use Internet mail provider just because of heuristics it has, even though i don't use POP3 mail.
It will warn you about timeouts and about mass mail worms.
Since you're still not prepared for file heuristics, maybe you should improve this feature to take advantage of difefrent kind of heuristics already available in Internet Mail provider. There is also lots of space for improvements for currently pretty much useless Blocker. But thats a topic for some other day.

Spotted another minor glitch, two options under Troubleshooting menu are separated with way too big gap (where ODBC/XML switch used to be placed).
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: YLAP on April 09, 2006, 10:46:03 AM
Installed it without problems. But... Look at IM provider settings window. 3 times repeated the same program  ???
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Vlk on April 09, 2006, 10:52:14 AM
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There are "Tlen" entries listed 3 times under Instant Messaging provider.

You're right, this will be easily fixed. :) Thx.

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but what about the avast users who have only become aware of a spambot infestation because avast warned them of a timeout condition

Well, I don't believe anyone has become aware of an infection BECAUSE of the timeout message itself. I mean, the message was so cryptic that even most seasoned computer users were confused by it. I agree that it might've given a hint to someone who knows how avast works - but there are other ways to do this.

I mean, the Internet Mail provider is still there, and filtering all email traffic. So if the spambot is really sending out spam, it should be detected (at least by the heuristics module)...

Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: DaveD on April 09, 2006, 10:53:38 AM
Web Shield uses much less memory!!!

From what I have experienced so far, Web Shield appears to use much less memory then before. Possibly because of the new data storage type?

I pounded the piss out of Web Shield with Firefox opening 10 to 15 tabs at once, going through each section of my bookmarks. Highest I got Web Shield was 8,000 K and would quickly settle back down to around 5,000 K. Prior to this beta it regular web browsing Web Shield was around 12,000 K and up.

One glitch to point out. The providers all say version "4.6-807" but all other areas seem to be correct saying "4.7-807".

Cheers!
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 10:56:57 AM
It's correct, during beta testing they'll release updates which will slowly progress toward to version 4.7 (so we can test if reported stuff was fixed properly). And thats the day when 4.7 final will be released ;)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: YLAP on April 09, 2006, 11:00:47 AM
One glitch to point out. The providers all say version "4.6-807" but all other areas seem to be correct saying "4.7-807".

I don't think it's a bug.  ;D Yes, the same here. Startup and memory scan screen shows 4.6 too.  ;D But I know it's 4.7  ;D
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Vlk on April 09, 2006, 11:07:07 AM
Yeah, the version labels are probably not changed in all places yet. We will most likely settle this tomorrow...
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: alanrf on April 09, 2006, 11:07:46 AM
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Well, I don't believe anyone has become aware of an infection BECAUSE of the timeout message itself. I mean, the message was so cryptic that even most seasoned computer users were confused by it. I agree that it might've given a hint to someone who knows how avast works - but there are other ways to do this.

You are, of course, absolutely right.  They did almost always need the help of the forum to explain the condition.

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I mean, the Internet Mail provider is still there, and filtering all email traffic. So if the spambot is really sending out spam, it should be detected (at least by the heuristics module)...

Perhaps we can agree that spambots really do send out spam.  I think I can recall one, maybe two, instance(s) of heuristics catching mass spam mailings reported in the forum.  I recall very many more indicated by the timeout warning.   Have the heuristics been modified in this release?

 

     
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 11:08:31 AM
Hm, another thing which is probably not related to beta directly (or is it?)

(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/15/vpsdefs9pl.png)

I thought VPS 0XXX-0 means the first update of the week, even though it's not the new week at all (it's sunday, though update shows 8.4 so saturday!)

And i think i've seen the same version yesterday.

Btw, looks like providers version is wrong after all. Or the one in About box. See the program version on picture above...
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Vlk on April 09, 2006, 11:17:47 AM
RejZoR,

- VPS 0615-0 was released yesterday around midnight (that is, night from Saturday to Sunday)
- it does not show on the VPS history page because it doesn't have any new virus names in it (this has happened a couple of times in the past, already)
- while the rule that the "-0" VPS is always released first in a week generally holds, it's not an axiom. There are some technical reasons why we may choose to release a "-0" VPS e.g. on Saturday on Sunday  :)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 12:34:21 PM
Has update tray icon been fixed or is it still workin old way (showing on every update check instead just on actual VPS updates?)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: XMAS on April 09, 2006, 12:50:40 PM
Just installed the beta, works great here, exept for the things reported here :)
And one more thing, I've found one translation problem which appear only in the main program Window, the tooltip help is not correctly shown (well for the Bulgarian translation) Here's and screen shoot:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/xmas3/987545.jpg)

And I've noticed one new thing when a scan is in prograss i see this:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/xmas3/45624.jpg)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 01:08:45 PM
I already found the next error!!! One cannot access no more the container, which more imer terminated, with the error message: "0" that is the only one, which comes as Fehlermeldungt. One could access the system container and continues to stand there meanwhile nothing more in it, in the new version, there is still some suspect.

That is the error message of the virus container: Initialization of container files Action was terminated with errors! Program cannot use container Client: (zero) -- description: Access refuses Initialization of container files ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Program tries shop of all container files of the following server: (zero) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Action was terminated with errors!
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 01:22:40 PM
already the next error found: In the Avast log Viewer comes the following error message: - ACCESS ton of C:\Programme\Alwil Software\Avast4\Data\Log\Setup.log which denied
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 01:52:30 PM
Links in About dialog are dead (well they don't do anything and i doubt anyone want to type them letter by letter into browser address bar...)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Vlk on April 09, 2006, 02:07:33 PM
RejZoR,

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Has update tray icon been fixed or is it still workin old way


Still old way, but I think this change will make to the release version.


Faith, I'm very sorry but I don't understand...


XMAS, have the tooltips worked before? (I mean in Bulgarian version, of course). Are the regional settings on your computer set to Bulgarian? (Control Panel -> Regional Settings) - or, are you using Bulgarian version of Windows?


and finally, RejZoR:

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Links in About dialog are dead


It's been always like this, hasn't it...? :)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 02:19:55 PM
RejZoR,

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Has update tray icon been fixed or is it still workin old way


Still old way, but I think this change will make to the release version.


Faith, I'm very sorry but I don't understand...


XMAS, have the tooltips worked before? (I mean in Bulgarian version, of course). Are the regional settings on your computer set to Bulgarian? (Control Panel -> Regional Settings) - or, are you using Bulgarian version of Windows?


and finally, RejZoR:

Quote
Links in About dialog are dead


It's been always like this, hasn't it...? :)



Hello, no, I have the German version. And there there are still some inconsistencies. Property naehmlich again an error found, if I liked to examine a file manually, comes of avast a short PopUp and that it was it then, no report, absolutely nothing. I have a German Windows system with SP2
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 02:21:09 PM
Hm, basically i never checked them till now.
Maybe it would be smart to change "Register" link to "http://www.avast.com/home_reg/". The current one is way too complicated for anyone to retype it by hand. Just a hint :P
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 03:07:02 PM
again an error found and now becomes it genuinly annoying!!! If a virus is found (eicar e.g.) can to these into the quarantine is not shifted, since this function does not function absolutely. _ I ask me genuine, what it with the Programierung make have. You cannot rausgeben nevertheless beta, if IMPORTANT functions do not function, straight with the quarantine, sorry, but slept there you genuinly and only errors inserted!!!!  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: igor on April 09, 2006, 03:12:48 PM
Faith, nobody forced you to install the beta, so please calm down a little.

You didn't provide much useful information to recognize the problem (if any).
So:
- what is the exact filename (path), as reported by avast?
- what is the exact error message?
- what is your operating system?
- what user are you logged on? (administrator or restricted)?
- how exactly are you scanning the file (on-demand, e.g. using Explorer Extension, or by the resident protection)?
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: TedNelly on April 09, 2006, 03:13:19 PM
Thanks Alwil apart from the already mentioned glitches
Avast seems to be going a pretty good job on my system
I cann't seem to be able to download eicar  ??? ;)

Minor problem with Virus program start Splash screen still showing Version 4.6
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Omar on April 09, 2006, 03:14:22 PM
I installed the beta but windows security centre says:

"Authentium anti virus software might be out of date"
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: DavidR on April 09, 2006, 03:23:41 PM
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I mean, the Internet Mail provider is still there, and filtering all email traffic. So if the spambot is really sending out spam, it should be detected (at least by the heuristics module)...

Perhaps we can agree that spambots really do send out spam.  I think I can recall one, maybe two, instance(s) of heuristics catching mass spam mailings reported in the forum.  I recall very many more indicated by the timeout warning.   Have the heuristics been modified in this release?
I can vouch for several occasions this has been reported on the forums under connection timeout, it is fairly frequent and not isolated as suggested. It is frequent enough to warrant having a typed reply to the problem to save continually retyping the same answer.
Quote from: Saved instruction Connection Timeout
Before we discuss how to deal with an Internet Connection Time out, we need to know why it happened and what caused it. Can you give the full information on the timeout warning or a screenshot.
Increase Internet Connection Timeout Delay (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=11380.msg96646#msg96646)

However, most of these timeout warnings have come from the email client, some did come from the avast timeout warning, if as Vlk states any avast warning would be handled by the email client (unless I'm mistaken ;D again) as they would be in sync so they would still get a warning, cryptic or otherwise.

Unfortunately, when this occurs we have to recommend installing ewido or a-squared to find the trojan that is sending the spam.

Wow, just finished downloading the beta update on dial-up, slooooooow.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 03:25:12 PM
Faith, nobody forced you to install the beta, so please calm down a little.

You didn't provide much useful information to recognize the problem (if any).
So:
- what is the exact filename (path), as reported by avast?
- what is the exact error message?
- what is your operating system?
- what user are you logged on? (administrator or restricted)?
- how exactly are you scanning the file (on-demand, e.g. using Explorer Extension, or by the resident protection)?


That is clear me, but it cannot be that you bring beta raus, where important functions do not function there, like the quarantine and container and I remain with the opinion that you proper slept there. Sorry is like that! but I do not give information, to before all the error messages, others give it, I continue to give it, as avast it me announce, more do not make I. which my operating system is, I already wrote, one should something read..... I have XPSP2 Professor and am as Admin on the way. the error messages come by the Resisdentschutz, in addition, by the program, if the quarantine not functioned and I can only delete the data. If the container generally does not function, if do not examine manual the file functioned and and and......
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 03:31:38 PM
You use online translation right, thats why it's a bit hard to understand what you mean exactly. avast! Chest appears to work fine on my PC.

Can you give us screenshot of the error?

When you see that error message, press Prt Scr button on keyboard, open MS Paint, press Ctrl and V buttons at the same time, save the image as JPG image and upload it here: http://www.imageshack.us/

Then give us the URL link (the last link that ImageShack will give you).
I think this will be the easiest way for you.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 04:24:28 PM
Another glitch, similar to the one in Standard Shield exclusions some time ago.

(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/571/webshld7ek.png)

Open lets say browser (Firefox 1.5 in my case). Open this dialog for Web Shield URL blocking and click any existing entry or create new one. Now click on the Firefox taskbar button and then again avast!'s one.
URL Blocking list will be gone until you actually click on the object in the list.

However, list doesn't disapper if you don't click on it's elements or modify them prior taskbar program switching.
Just when you create/edit entries on that list.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 04:44:11 PM
You use online translation right, thats why it's a bit hard to understand what you mean exactly. avast! Chest appears to work fine on my PC.

Can you give us screenshot of the error?

When you see that error message, press Prt Scr button on keyboard, open MS Paint, press Ctrl and V buttons at the same time, save the image as JPG image and upload it here: http://www.imageshack.us/

Then give us the URL link (the last link that ImageShack will give you).
I think this will be the easiest way for you.

You use online translation right, thats why it's a bit hard to understand what you mean exactly. avast! Chest appears to work fine on my PC.

Can you give us screenshot of the error?

When you see that error message, press Prt Scr button on keyboard, open MS Paint, press Ctrl and V buttons at the same time, save the image as JPG image and upload it here: http://www.imageshack.us/

Then give us the URL link (the last link that ImageShack will give you).
I think this will be the easiest way for you.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9884/040920061607078kg.jpg"

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/8298/040920061615135wp.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5380/040920061618572yt.jpg

Virus found:

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4466/040920061638039gi.jpg

so and if I liked to shift this virus now into the quarantine, then the following error message comes:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1861/040920061640510ky.jpg
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 04:48:09 PM
Thanks Faith. This will certanly help us alot :) Igor/Vlk, is it possible that this happens because it's a German version? I tried quarantine and it's working as usual. I have also been able to send EICAR sample into chect and also delete it from Chest later.
I'm using english avast! version and english Windows XP SP2.

EDIT:
I see you finally encrypted SMTP password for Chest. Thats good :)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: justin1278 on April 09, 2006, 05:25:40 PM
Everything running smoothly for me. Noticed some small glitches but they have already been mentioned.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: TAP on April 09, 2006, 05:36:21 PM
- WinXP+: the Standard Shield now implements a nice new feature, "do not scan system libraries" (by default on). This should dramatically decrease the number of files scanned during computer boot. For now, it only works with XP SP2 in the following language versions English, French, German, Italian, Portuguese (Brazil), Polish, Czech. And the English version of Windows 2003 Server

I really like this feature, it makes avast! extremely light as there's no real-time local file scanner. But finally, is it really safe to use this feature?

Thanks
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: XMAS on April 09, 2006, 05:37:54 PM
XMAS, have the tooltips worked before? (I mean in Bulgarian version, of course). Are the regional settings on your computer set to Bulgarian? (Control Panel -> Regional Settings) - or, are you using Bulgarian version of Windows?
The tooltip help(Bulgarian translation) was added with this version(beta). My regional settings are set to Bulgarian and I am using WinXP SP2 English version.As I said this happens only in the main Program window(Simple Interface). The tooltip help is working just fine in all other program windows. For example here's a screen shoot from the settings window:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/xmas3/6565656.jpg)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Lisandro on April 09, 2006, 05:39:20 PM
Is it possible that this happens because it's a German version?
Working ok with the Portuguese (Brazilian) version.

I see you finally encrypted SMTP password for Chest. Thats good :)
Great. At avast4.ini file I have
SMTPUserPassword=b?cGX#aVrytVnbw==

Links in About dialog are dead (well they don't do anything and i doubt anyone want to type them letter by letter into browser address bar...)
For me, like ever, only http://www.avast.com/ works. The other are dead, as ever been.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: igor on April 09, 2006, 05:49:43 PM
I really like this feature, it makes avast! extremely light as there's no real-time local file scanner. But finally, is it really safe to use this feature?

Well, we believe so. But you can always turn it off (on the second page of Standard Shield configuration).
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: justin1278 on April 09, 2006, 05:53:20 PM
Hi,

I cannot add files to the virus chest in the enhanced user interface. See screenshot. I don't know if this is a glitch or if I am doing something wrong. But if I go to the Simple User Interface I can add chest files.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Lisandro on April 09, 2006, 05:54:24 PM
Well, we believe so. But you can always turn it off (on the second page of Standard Shield configuration).
Second page? Isn't it the first one?
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: DavidR on April 09, 2006, 05:58:21 PM
Another glitch, similar to the one in Standard Shield exclusions some time ago.

Open lets say browser (Firefox 1.5 in my case). Open this dialog for Web Shield URL blocking and click any existing entry or create new one. Now click on the Firefox taskbar button and then again avast!'s one.
URL Blocking list will be gone until you actually click on the object in the list.

However, list doesn't disapper if you don't click on it's elements or modify them prior taskbar program switching.
Just when you create/edit entries on that list.
RejZoR, I tried to replicate this and no problems on my system. I only have one URL blocking path *.pif and doing as you suggested has no effect, firefox 1.5.1.

The one thing (improvement) I did notice was a greatly reduced number of files scanned on boot as many had previously asked/complained about to be improved. Down from 250 or > to after the reboot (after update) to 86 files scanned. So a slightly faster overall boot until the avast icon stops rotating. Lets see what happens when I tick the scan system dlls option on my next reboot.
Edit: Oops that was on by default on mine (seeing the image with it off I assumed that was the default setting) so there has been an improvement on boot with this beta update.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: XMAS on April 09, 2006, 05:59:40 PM
Well, we believe so. But you can always turn it off (on the second page of Standard Shield configuration).
Second page? Isn't it the first one?
It's on the second page ;)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: RejZoR on April 09, 2006, 06:02:37 PM
DavidR, as i said, it will only happen when you click any entry in that list and then switch to Firefox via taskbar.

I have these 3 entries listed (in the same order):
*.pif
*.scr
*.vbs

Works ok if you just open that menu and switch via taskbar.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: DavidR on April 09, 2006, 06:09:01 PM
I did try to replicate what you said, including the clicking and entry in the list and then switched to firefox using the taskbar ??? and wasn't able to replicate it.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: igor on April 09, 2006, 06:10:30 PM
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9884/040920061607078kg.jpg"

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/8298/040920061615135wp.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5380/040920061618572yt.jpg

Virus found:

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4466/040920061638039gi.jpg

so and if I liked to shift this virus now into the quarantine, then the following error message comes:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1861/040920061640510ky.jpg

I'm not yet sure what the Chest access error might mean, but I'm quite suprised by the last 2 images. How exactly did you scan the file? Downloaded it from web, or tried to execute it, or...?
Is this really a virus warning given by the resident protection?? Seems rather strange to me... (this file mask should be exluded).
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: justin1278 on April 09, 2006, 06:11:55 PM
Hi,

I cannot add files to the virus chest in the enhanced user interface. See screenshot. I don't know if this is a glitch or if I am doing something wrong. But if I go to the Simple User Interface I can add chest files.

Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: YLAP on April 09, 2006, 06:44:41 PM
Just wanted to say I just tried I think all possible test ways with EICAR. I have no problems with chest or other virus handling ways...
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: miesgram on April 09, 2006, 06:53:37 PM
Hi everybody, I also notice no problem with handling eicar on a winxp pro german system.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: CharleyO on April 09, 2006, 07:16:10 PM
***

Hello everyone!    :)

I have just downloaded the new Beta without any problems. In the English version, I have not yet detected any problems as previously mentioned. Perhaps the avast team has already made corrections to some of the above mentioned bugs/glitches. The only thing I had to change was to let avast through ZA Free firewall again but that was expected.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: igor on April 09, 2006, 07:19:27 PM
Justin, you are right, though I'm not sure if it's new to the beta version. The menu item is disabled only when the "User files" folder is selected; if you e.g. right click to the right pane (so that the folder loses focus), the option is available.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Lisandro on April 09, 2006, 07:26:17 PM
It's on the second page ;)
Scanner (Basic), the first page of settings in Portuguese (Brazilian).
Igor, is there any difference between languages into the GUI ?

Edit: Oops that was on by default on mine (seeing the image with it off I assumed that was the default setting) so there has been an improvement on boot with this beta update.
No. As Vlk said before, the default would be 'on'.

I cannot add files to the virus chest in the enhanced user interface. See screenshot. I don't know if this is a glitch or if I am doing something wrong. But if I go to the Simple User Interface I can add chest files.
Me too, the same way Igor related: I can't use while "User files" folder is selected.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: XMAS on April 09, 2006, 07:34:33 PM
It's on the second page ;)
Scanner (Basic), the first page of settings in Portuguese (Brazilian).
Igor, is there any difference between languages into the GUI ?
Actually you are right. There are two kinds of options about that:
Scanner(Basic)
Quote
Scan dynamic libraries on load. Dynamic-link libraries (DLL files) will be scanned as soon as an application tries to load them. It may slow down the application start a little, but provides additional security.
Scanner(Advanced)
Quote
Do not scan system libraries. Trusted system libraries will not be scanned on open, only a quick check will be performed to validate the authenticity. This option may speed up the system start a little.

I thought that you were talking for the second one  ::)
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 07:47:30 PM
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9884/040920061607078kg.jpg"

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/8298/040920061615135wp.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5380/040920061618572yt.jpg

Virus found:

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4466/040920061638039gi.jpg

so and if I liked to shift this virus now into the quarantine, then the following error message comes:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1861/040920061640510ky.jpg

I'm not yet sure what the Chest access error might mean, but I'm quite suprised by the last 2 images. How exactly did you scan the file? Downloaded it from web, or tried to execute it, or...?
Is this really a virus warning given by the resident protection?? Seems rather strange to me... (this file mask should be exluded).


this message comes, if I accomplish a system CAN. And it me by manual system CAN does not announce that avast a virus found, these however into the quarantine to push can. I can delete these then only completely. To the upper pictures I cannot say, why this error is produced. He is and I simply there can thereby nothing begin. I think simply that the German version must completely again be revised. Only because those runs English very well, is called that not that the German version well runs.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Lisandro on April 09, 2006, 07:49:55 PM
Scanner(Basic)
Quote
Scan dynamic libraries on load. Dynamic-link libraries (DLL files) will be scanned as soon as an application tries to load them. It may slow down the application start a little, but provides additional security.
I have this one. I think we need more info about the differences between one and another...

Scanner(Advanced)
Quote
Do not scan system libraries. Trusted system libraries will not be scanned on open, only a quick check will be performed to validate the authenticity. This option may speed up the system start a little.
Is this the one Vlk was talking about before I suppose...
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: XMAS on April 09, 2006, 07:56:11 PM
Hmm I don't understand what is written on the screen shoot, but I think that you got the option  :-\
See the screen shoot:
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Lisandro on April 09, 2006, 07:59:52 PM
- WinXP+: the Standard Shield now implements a nice new feature, "do not scan system libraries" (by default on). This should dramatically decrease the number of files scanned during computer boot. For now, it only works with XP SP2 in the following language versions English, French, German, Italian, Portuguese (Brazil), Polish, Czech. And the English version of Windows 2003 Server
Maybe this is what confused me.
In Portuguese translation there is the word XP+ at the first one and there is not on the second, which one Vlk explained.
I suppose that the first one (dll on load) should be checked and the second (system libraries) could be unchecked to accelerate boot.
Am I right?
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: igor on April 09, 2006, 08:04:21 PM
Faith, the problem has certainly nothing to do with German Windows; there's no difference in Chest operations between various language versions of the OS, so the problem must be somewhere else.

Could you please write your last message in German? I'm afraid I don't understand what you are trying to say, and I would like to know how exactly you did the scan (I think I'll understand better in German). Thanks!

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Guys, the two options you are talking about are closely connected. The one on the first page enables scanning of DLLs, the one on the second page makes avast! ignore some of them (in particular, the trusted - system - ones). So, the first one makes avast! scan more, perhaps slowing the system a little, the second one should, on contrary, make it faster (when checked).
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 08:08:30 PM
URL Blocking functioned also, I cannot enter, which I want, it to NOTHING is blocked. I surfe with the Firefox.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 08:11:45 PM
Faith, the problem has certainly nothing to do with German Windows; there's no difference in Chest operations between various language versions of the OS, so the problem must be somewhere else.

Could you please write your last message in German? I'm afraid I don't understand what you are trying to say, and I would like to know how exactly you did the scan (I think I'll understand better in German). Thanks!

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Guys, the two options you are talking about are closely connected. The one on the first page enables scanning of DLLs, the one on the second page makes avast! ignore some of them (in particular, the trusted - system - ones). So, the first one makes avast! scan more, perhaps slowing the system a little, the second one should, on contrary, make it faster (when checked).


Hallo Igor,

ich wusste nicht, dass du deutsch kannst *g* warum sagt du mir dass nicht früher ?

Also wenn ich mein System scanne und avast erkennt einen Virus ( wie du ja in meinen Pics sehen kannst ), dann will ich es in die Quarantäne verschieben und genau dass funktioniert nicht ( siehe auch letztes Pic ) dann kommt dieser rießen große Balken, mit der Fehlermeldung.

Und normalerweise ist es doch so, dass Systemdateien, in einem Geschützten Containerbereich drin sind, allerdings ist dies in der neuen Version nicht mehr der Fall. Dass sieht für mich jetzt so aus, dass sie nicht mehr geschützt werden.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Lisandro on April 09, 2006, 08:21:16 PM
Guys, the two options you are talking about are closely connected. The one on the first page enables scanning of DLLs, the one on the second page makes avast! ignore some of them (in particular, the trusted - system - ones). So, the first one makes avast! scan more, perhaps slowing the system a little, the second one should, on contrary, make it faster (when checked).
Igor, which is advisable for the first one, disabling dll scanning won't be dangerous? I suppose it will disable all the time and not only on boot time, and will disable all dll scanning and not only the system ones...
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: igor on April 09, 2006, 08:33:10 PM
Faith, this is an English-only board, and I'm trying to stick to it, but sometimes it's better to make an exception (besides, I have studied German long time ago and forgot quite a lot already).
I understand that you have a problem with the Virus Chest - but how did you scan your system? Using the Simple User Interface, or Explorer Extension, or somehow else?


Tech: Well, let's put it this way: yes, you are right, disabling the scanning (either of system DLLs, or DLLs at all) will disable their scanning completely, not only for boot.
But, until now, the loaded DLL files were not scanned at all - so it's certainly an improvement (security-wise).
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: DavidR on April 09, 2006, 08:39:19 PM
Guys, the two options you are talking about are closely connected. The one on the first page enables scanning of DLLs, the one on the second page makes avast! ignore some of them (in particular, the trusted - system - ones). So, the first one makes avast! scan more, perhaps slowing the system a little, the second one should, on contrary, make it faster (when checked).
Well this second option of not scanning system libraries certainly appear to speed up my boot by reducing the number of files scanned. How are these trusted system DLLs decided upon and could this be leave a vulnerability if a malware DLL was located in a system folder ?

However, it would appear that one over-rides the other - (Basic) Scan DLLs on load, (Advanced) Do not scan dll. So I would have to assume that because both are checked by default that the Advanced setting over-rides the Basic and in fact the Default is NOT to scan DLLs on boot contrary to what has been suggested/said ?

So what dynamic libraries are checked if not trusted system libraries ?

Sorry if I'm making a hash of trying to ask what is the difference in the DLLs that are or aren't scanned depending on the two different settings ?
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 08:43:21 PM
Faith, this is an English-only board, and I'm trying to stick to it, but sometimes it's better to make an exception (besides, I have studied German long time ago and forgot quite a lot already).
I understand that you have a problem with the Virus Chest - but how did you scan your system? Using the Simple User Interface, or Explorer Extension, or somehow else?


Tech: Well, let's put it this way: yes, you are right, disabling the scanning (either of system DLLs, or DLLs at all) will disable their scanning completely, not only for boot.
But, until now, the loaded DLL files were not scanned at all - so it's certainly an improvement (security-wise).


naja wenn du noch ein wenig deutsch kannst, ist dass doch super  :) Besser wäre es, wenn Ihr auch ein Unterforum in Deutsch hättet, dass würde, so denke ich, euch um einiges erleichtern und uns deutschsprachigen Usern genauso. Wäre doch eine Überlegung wert oder ?

Ich gehe über die Erweiterte Benutzeroberfläche rein und da fangen halt dir bekannten Fehler an.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: justin1278 on April 09, 2006, 09:19:59 PM
yes igor you are right, the option becomes available when I right click in the pane.
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Faith on April 09, 2006, 11:54:40 PM
@Igor,

wie sieht es eigentlich mit der Rootkiterkennung bei avast aus ?

ich denke, da muss bei avast was gemacht werden. Den eine reine Virenerkennung reicht hier nicht mehr bei avast aus. Was ist mit unbekannter Malwareerkennung ? wäre es nicht gut, sowas ähnliches wie TruPrevent in avast einzubauen ?
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: TAP on April 10, 2006, 03:13:50 AM
I really like this feature, it makes avast! extremely light as there's no real-time local file scanner. But finally, is it really safe to use this feature?

Well, we believe so. But you can always turn it off (on the second page of Standard Shield configuration).


Thanks for clarification.

On my machine, even this feature is turn on (on the first page of Standard Shield configuration) but I feel that the new avast! beta seems to be lighter than ever before, applications load a bit faster than ever.

Great!!!  :)

Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: justin1278 on April 10, 2006, 03:26:58 AM
I think avast! 4.7 will be a completely better program the 4.6 and out perform it in everyway. Can't wait until official release!
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Vlk on April 10, 2006, 09:11:27 AM
The speed increase is most likely caused by the setting on page 2 - "Do not scan system libraries". This is turned ON by default (i.e. system libraries are NOT scanned by default).

By unchecking the new box on the first page ("scan dynamic libraries on load"), you can FURTHER increase performance of the on-access scanner (quite considerably in fact) - BUT I can't say it's 100% safe to turn it off. You should only turn it off if you're using a slow machine and the overhead of the on-access scanner is too big.


Someone also asked how we recognize the "system libraries". Well, the answer is, by exact match. I.e. on our servers, we have created an archive of DLL files that we know are "safe", then harvested hashes of those files (together with the file names, file sizes and time stamps) and finally put the result to the virus database. That is, the virus database now contains not only samples of BAD applications (a blacklist) but also samples of GOOD applications (whitelist).

In the future, we can go one step further and start adding some other trusted apps to the archive. This way, we can ultimately achieve the goal where only a very few files will in fact be scanned...


I have been dreaming about this feature for some time, and finally, it's becoming true... :)

Cheers
Vlk
Title: Re: * Introducing * - beta version of upcoming avast update (4.7.807)
Post by: Vlk on April 10, 2006, 10:00:15 AM
BTW the "Beta" forum subcategory has now been re-opened, so I'd like to ask everyone who wants to write something about the 4.7 beta to do so THERE.

I.e. classical ONE THREAD PER TOPIC.


Thanks (I'm closing this thread for now). :)
Vlk