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Title: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Karel Šťavík on August 10, 2017, 04:17:44 PM
Hi everyone,

new beta version 17.6.2307 is released.

What's new:

Known issues:
 
Download links:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=179943.0


Enjoy this beta!
We are looking forward to your feedback.

AVAST Team.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: NON on August 10, 2017, 04:49:56 PM
Thanks for the new beta :)
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: bob3160 on August 10, 2017, 04:59:29 PM
For those of us running the free version, Has anything changed ???
Any updates, fixes or enhancements ???
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Asyn on August 10, 2017, 05:30:55 PM
New SafeZone browser version
Are you sure..? I have the same version as before (3.55.2393.609).
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: bob3160 on August 10, 2017, 05:34:02 PM
New SafeZone browser version
Are you sure..? I have the same version as before (3.55.2393.609).
That's what I see. :)
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Patrick2 on August 10, 2017, 05:57:00 PM
Is Threat Popping in your face, center of the screen only enhancement free users see?  and Safezone browser update?
New Threat design isn't that great in my opinion, kinda gets in the way of things, steals focus as well.   What was wrong with old way?   I didn't see anything wrong with old way, so why change it?



Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Rednose on August 10, 2017, 06:54:40 PM
Hi guys  :)

- Sensitive Data Shield is only available for Premier users.

- SafeZone browser is, as Asyn mentioned, indeed the same as the previous version.

And :

- The " Wrong Firewall popup dialog "  bug is still not fixed.
- And " Show last pupup message " doesn't work for those either.

Very annoying  :(

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Alikhan on August 10, 2017, 07:25:29 PM
Hi guys  :)

- Sensitive Data Shield is only availabeble for Premier users.

- SafeZone browser is, as Asyn mentioned, indeed the same as the previous version.

Greetz, Red.

So not included in Internet Security?
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Rednose on August 10, 2017, 07:31:42 PM
Hi guys  :)

- Sensitive Data Shield is only availabeble for Premier users.

- SafeZone browser is, as Asyn mentioned, indeed the same as the previous version.

Greetz, Red.

So not included in Internet Security?

Nope.

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: DavidR on August 10, 2017, 08:01:12 PM
<snip>
<snip>
- And " Show last pupup message " doesn't work for those either.

Very annoying  :(
Greetz, Red.

Yes, presumably because they have changed the in your face alert dialogue window and not the toaster popup, this option in the tray icon menu is also stuffed.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: bob3160 on August 10, 2017, 09:22:07 PM
<snip>
<snip>
- And " Show last pupup message " doesn't work for those either.

Very annoying  :(
Greetz, Red.

Yes, presumably because they have changed the in your face alert dialogue window and not the toaster popup, this option in the tray icon menu is also stuffed.
I want my Avast back.  :'(
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Rednose on August 10, 2017, 09:30:18 PM
Ali khan and me started to make some noise about it on Slack again.

Greetz, Red.

Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Patrick2 on August 10, 2017, 09:37:37 PM
I've been using Avast since version 4x, seen a lot of changes over the years, some positive and some not so positive, the current alerts for threats detected in these beta version is probably one of the worst changes seen in a long long time.     What was the Avast Developers thinking even trying this beta with them in the first place, they should've known users wouldn't like them.

Plus got my Mother using the free version and she can't see that well, so i'm hoping before this is released to final a postivie change is made, little nervous on switching to Defender for protection, but it's either face in your face popups, or switch to product eventually that doesn't have the popups.   

Or at least Developer explaining why changed to the in your face ones, and maybe could understand

Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: bob3160 on August 10, 2017, 09:38:37 PM
Ali khan and me started to make some noise about it on Slack again.

Greetz, Red.
Instead of introducing new unfinished features, first the old unresolved problems should have been cleared up.
Now what we have are new problems added to those that haven't been fixed from previous releases.   :o
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Rednose on August 10, 2017, 11:29:18 PM
Bob :)

I have seen your post on Slack, and I can't agree with you more !

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: bob3160 on August 10, 2017, 11:51:47 PM
Bob :)

I have seen your post on Slack, and I can't agree with you more !

Greetz, Red.
I'm just sorry that it needed to be said.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: DavidR on August 11, 2017, 12:03:27 AM
Bob :)

I have seen your post on Slack, and I can't agree with you more !

Greetz, Red.
I'm just sorry that it needed to be said.

There are times when you have to be brutally honest about how you feel. What is the point on pushing on with a new beta or program update with new functions when there are issues outstanding also carried forward.  I think a period of consolidation needs to happen to resolve outstanding issues.  Whilst they might be considered cosmetic or not crucial, but they are still bugs that need squashed, especially for those using paid versions.

It feels like we are in a permanent state of (flux, I hope I spelt that right ;) ) beta, program, beta, program. Users don't know if they are coming or going.

I think Vlk needs to take some of these 'slackers' skydiving. As he says, 'if at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.'
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Yashinsider on August 11, 2017, 05:22:27 AM
Hi everyone,

new beta version 17.6.2307 is released.

What's new:
  • New Sensitive Data Shield component
    • it scans for documents on your PC that contain sensitive information (agreements, work documents, flight tickets etc) and offers an extra protection of those
    • the documents are then protected against access by untrusted apps
  • New SafeZone browser version
  • Fixed crash during product activation by license

Known issues:
  • Settings for Sensitive Data Shield not ready yet
  • Sensitive Data Shield does not protect already protected files when those are modified
  • Behavior Shield detection dialog not updated to new design
 
Download links:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=179943.0


Enjoy this beta!
We are looking forward to your feedback.

AVAST Team.

Thanks
Got the New update
Still Checking.........
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: DavidR on August 11, 2017, 09:43:15 AM
@ Yashinsider
The "I'm official beta software tester" for whom ?

There is absolutely no need to Quote the whole first post to respond in the topic, as has been mentioned before.  You need only Quote what it is you are specifically responding too, not just an acknowledgement you have got the beta.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: MartinZ on August 11, 2017, 05:12:20 PM
Hi guys  :)

- Sensitive Data Shield is only availabeble for Premier users.

- SafeZone browser is, as Asyn mentioned, indeed the same as the previous version.

And :

- The " Wrong Firewall popup dialog "  bug is still not fixed.
- And " Show last pupup message " doesn't work for those either.

Very annoying  :(

Greetz, Red.

wrong firewall dialog will be fixed
the option Show last popup message will be removed. it haven't worked correctly for last few months, and better way is to put the toaster messages to notifiaction center as it's not limited to just the last one
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: MartinZ on August 11, 2017, 05:13:02 PM
Hi guys  :)

- Sensitive Data Shield is only availabeble for Premier users.

- SafeZone browser is, as Asyn mentioned, indeed the same as the previous version.

Greetz, Red.
Yes it is also in Internet Security
So not included in Internet Security?
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: MartinZ on August 11, 2017, 05:22:57 PM
Regarding the not fixed bugs:
we are not happy about them and we are fixing the most important ones. For you it might be viewed as major issue but we know from data how many users is affected.

So e.g. not smooth animation of systray icon. Yes it looks as stupid bug, but we know that 98% has the animation turned off, plus the animation doesn't affect your protection status. So we rather work on better anti-phishing protection and other new features that will affect 100% users once released and increase their protection status.

And of course as we are adding new features, we are also producing new bugs. Just fixing all the bugs we know about would take us approx half a year, without introducing any new feature, improvement etc.. And honestly we can't afford this.

I hope you at least like the fact that we are removing the non-AV components from AV, this month we will start with Cleanup and next month the browser, they both will be working as standalone applications.

That doesn't mean that you should stop reporting us bugs, it's very valuable for us to know about them, but maybe we should better communicate back to you if we plan to fix them or not and why. What do you think?
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Rednose on August 11, 2017, 05:38:24 PM
Hi guys  :)

- Sensitive Data Shield is only availabeble for Premier users.

- SafeZone browser is, as Asyn mentioned, indeed the same as the previous version.

Greetz, Red.

Yes it is also in Internet Security
So not included in Internet Security?

Not included, you have to upgrade to Premier ( see attached screenshot ).

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Patrick2 on August 11, 2017, 05:59:45 PM
@MartinZ

And the Threat Alert Popups in Middle of the screen? whats the reason for that?  so annoying and aggravating to have it popup when doing something in normal use of the machine, i'm thinking as of real world use for non technical folks as well as Technical folks.    Those steal focus right now,  which is problem in itself.    What was wrong with the old from the taskbar alerts for a threat detected?

Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Rednose on August 11, 2017, 06:13:13 PM
With a 3rd reboot since the update, Sensitive Data Shield is suddely available.
But what does " QUET NGAY " mean  :P ( see attached screenshot ).

EDIT : I think it is Klingon for " Run Scan "  ;D

EDIT 2 : I got a private message from MartinZ :

Quote
it might be delayed as we started the distribution of this component yesterday
it can be delivered independetly on the program update

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Be Secure on August 11, 2017, 06:18:45 PM
Quote
we are not happy about them and we are fixing the most important ones. For you it might be viewed as major issue but we know from data how many users is affected.

So e.g. not smooth animation of systray icon. Yes it looks as stupid bug, but we know that 98% has the animation turned off
Hi MartinZ, It is not about number game.If 2% users are affected by any of the bugs it is Avast duty to solve the issue(small or big).Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Gopher John on August 11, 2017, 07:05:34 PM
And of course as we are adding new features, we are also producing new bugs. Just fixing all the bugs we know about would take us approx half a year, without introducing any new feature, improvement etc.. And honestly we can't afford this.

I hope you at least like the fact that we are removing the non-AV components from AV, this month we will start with Cleanup and next month the browser, they both will be working as standalone applications.

The bugs should be eliminated first, before adding new features.  Adding new features without fixing long existing bugs indicates that marketing directs the evolution of Avast over the customer's usability and satisfaction.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: DavidR on August 11, 2017, 07:24:58 PM
With a 3rd reboot since the update, Sensitive Data Shield is suddely available.
But what does " QUET NGAY " mean  :P ( see attached screenshot ).

EDIT : I think it is Klingon for " Run Scan "  ;D
<snip>
Language appears to be Vietnamese, but Google translation isn't great either "QUET NOW" which may be QUIET NOW, if that makes any sense in context of the Button.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Lord_Ami on August 11, 2017, 10:23:41 PM
@Be Secure
@Gopher John

I think you did not read Martin's post entirely. As he stated, fixing all known bugs would take them half a year. Of course they are aware of much more smaller bugs that we haven't reported (be it missing icon or broken text). But the main focus should always be protection rather than UI (which is most of the time invisible). They got the statistics and I'm pretty sure main UI is not used daily or weekly by "average Joe".

You got to look at the bigger picture sometimes :) I'm more than sure that with merging AVG and Avast, they can bring features (including those invisible - backend/cloud/processing of samples etc) and fix old stuff better than even before. That's why we have these betas - known bugs are not going to be on final release. So we have plenty of time to test and report our findings.

my 2 cents.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: bob3160 on August 11, 2017, 10:58:02 PM
@ Lord_Ami,
There are lot's of Known Bugs in the current final release.
That's one of the complaints. Bring out new features that in some instances aren't complete when introduced
which only adds more to the problem pot. Usually when something new screws up something old, we wind up losing the old feature.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: DavidR on August 11, 2017, 11:37:09 PM
@ Lord_Ami,
There are lot's of Known Bugs in the current final release.
That's one of the complaints. Bring out new features that in some instances aren't complete when introduced
which only adds more to the problem pot. Usually when something new screws up something old, we wind up losing the old feature.

+1

I have said it, others have said it, Avast needs a period of consolidation and fix the outstanding bugs and known issues before introducing any others.

Of course the purchase of AVG has thrown a spanner in the works, with the incorporation of components from both Avast and AVG into two new programs doesn't help. The next spanner in the works is some time off when presumably the two programs will become one.

All of that is no excuse for known issues not being higher up the priority list.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: DavidR on August 12, 2017, 01:04:45 AM
Quote
we are not happy about them and we are fixing the most important ones. For you it might be viewed as major issue but we know from data how many users is affected.

So e.g. not smooth animation of systray icon. Yes it looks as stupid bug, but we know that 98% has the animation turned off
Hi MartinZ, It is not about number game.If 2% users are affected by any of the bugs it is Avast duty to solve the issue(small or big).Thanks for the info.

Well 2% of hundreds of millions are a lot of people, working only on 200 million users (avast states more than that), that would make it 4 million unhappy users ;)
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Gopher John on August 12, 2017, 02:54:32 AM
@ Lord_Ami,
Addind new features to a program that has known problems(not just the UI) is like adding fresh vegetables to a compost pile.  Trying to sort out whether a bug was created by the new feature or was an existing bug adds to the backlog of problems to solve.  The compost pile keeps getting larger.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Rednose on August 12, 2017, 03:10:04 AM
As for the bugs, we should make more noise on Avast Slack.
It is as simple as that.

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Be Secure on August 12, 2017, 03:16:21 AM
Quote
I think you did not read Martin's post entirely. As he stated, fixing all known bugs would take them half a year. Of course they are aware of much more smaller bugs that we haven't reported (be it missing icon or broken text).
Then what is the meaning of beta tests and reported bugs for the years? There are lot's of Known Bugs in the current final release.Avast is King of Bugs.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Rednose on August 12, 2017, 04:12:25 AM
With a 3rd reboot since the update, Sensitive Data Shield is suddely available.
But what does " QUET NGAY " mean  :P ( see attached screenshot ).

EDIT : I think it is Klingon for " Run Scan "  ;D
<snip>
Language appears to be Vietnamese, but Google translation isn't great either "QUET NOW" which may be QUIET NOW, if that makes any sense in context of the Button.

The funny thing is, it shows the right translation in the Dutch UI : " Nu scannen " = " Scan now " ( see attached screenshot ).
So I still think in the English UI it is Klingon ;D

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Asyn on August 12, 2017, 08:25:16 AM
That doesn't mean that you should stop reporting us bugs, it's very valuable for us to know about them, but maybe we should better communicate back to you if we plan to fix them or not and why. What do you think?
Hi Martin, please do so, at least we'd know what to expect... ;) Cheers.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: DavidR on August 12, 2017, 09:42:54 AM
That doesn't mean that you should stop reporting us bugs, it's very valuable for us to know about them, but maybe we should better communicate back to you if we plan to fix them or not and why. What do you think?
Hi Martin, please do so, at least we'd know what to expect... ;) Cheers.

I don't know if there is a database with known bugs, when reported, their progress, etc. than can be referenced. That way we can tell if a bug has already been reported, on what Avast version what OS and crucially what progress.

Whilst there is most certainly said bug database, it isn't available, so there is no confidence whether it is being fixed or not.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Asyn on August 12, 2017, 10:13:00 AM
Yep, in fact there is such a bug-db, but it's for internal use only.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: bob3160 on August 12, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
As for the bugs, we should make more noise on Avast Slack.
It is as simple as that.

Greetz, Red.
I can't make the noise any louder. :) Bang Bang Bang.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: DavidR on August 12, 2017, 03:56:02 PM
Yep, in fact there is such a bug-db, but it's for internal use only.

The person responsible for the bug database, needs a big stick. There should be targets on said bugs and regular investigations on progress. Quality Control needs to get in on this as some of these bugs have been present for ages.

In the Military we used to have a saying, talk softly but carry a big stick!
Someone needs to take 'active' control over these bugs and wave the big stick.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Patrick2 on August 12, 2017, 04:30:12 PM
Avast has been my preferred AV product since 2006,  Hits a Seven Big Drums for all the outstanding bugs to get resolved in stable and beta builds, maybe target a few bugs a month if they have so many it would take them a half a year to fix.   Just be hopefully ready for Windows 10 Fall Creators update should be focus right now, then go back and tackle oldest outstanding bug and go from there in my opinion

 I may put up with the new threat alerts, as one thing I don't like Defender that much, scans so much slower, doesn't offer same protection as Avast.   

Anyhow will see how things go for rest of 2017, and 2018

Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: MartinZ on August 14, 2017, 09:31:09 AM
Quote
we are not happy about them and we are fixing the most important ones. For you it might be viewed as major issue but we know from data how many users is affected.

So e.g. not smooth animation of systray icon. Yes it looks as stupid bug, but we know that 98% has the animation turned off
Hi MartinZ, It is not about number game.If 2% users are affected by any of the bugs it is Avast duty to solve the issue(small or big).Thanks for the info.

Well 2% of hundreds of millions are a lot of people, working only on 200 million users (avast states more than that), that would make it 4 million unhappy users ;)

Yes I know. it doesn't make me feel satisfied.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Asyn on August 14, 2017, 11:15:27 AM
New SafeZone browser version
Are you sure..? I have the same version as before (3.55.2393.609).
OK, the new SZB version just arrived (4.58.2552.909).
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: bob3160 on August 14, 2017, 02:10:44 PM
New SafeZone browser version
Are you sure..? I have the same version as before (3.55.2393.609).
OK, the new SZB version just arrived (4.58.2552.909).
So I pressed on the link to see what's new and wound up on the forum with information on version
3.55.2393.607 ???
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: mchain on August 14, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
Yep, version SZB update confirmed.  In fact, for me it came in yesterday on avast version 17.5.2303.

One of the reasons I don't run a beta on my main machine is because of not fixing (minor) bugs in the last year or so.  Why should I introduce new bugs when the old ones aren't fixed?  You've got betas running inside betas inside betas. 

As an aside, AIS does have the 'Sensitive Data Shield' once again.  It arrived today.  Unlike the earlier iteration, it seems to be a bit buggy in that it took 40 minutes to complete and was stuck at 98% for 35 of those minutes.  Almost stopped the scan several times.

I can understand programming changes made to consolidate programming forks so that all options are centered/originate on the main gui but some forks must be left alone.  Toaster pop-ups are one such.  And moving non-essential programs such as Data Shredder off the main gui is a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Lord_Ami on August 18, 2017, 12:26:46 PM
Seems like new beta is out
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Asyn on August 18, 2017, 12:34:30 PM
Seems like new beta is out
Thanks for the info. Just tried to update, no luck. Will try again in a few minutes.

Edit: Available now, back soon...
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Asyn on August 18, 2017, 01:16:17 PM
Updated, all we need is a changelog now... ;D
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: bob3160 on August 18, 2017, 01:38:15 PM
Updated, all we need is a changelog now... ;D
I was holding back to find out what was changed.
The change log should be available at the same time as the release notification.
It would be nice if they printed the changelog before the release so we know what to look for or avoid. :)
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Rednose on August 18, 2017, 01:52:57 PM
The 17.6.2308 Beta is certainly interesting : Suddely I have Cleanup Premium installed :o :o :o ( see attached screenshot )

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Asyn on August 18, 2017, 02:00:39 PM
The change log should be available at the same time as the release notification.
It would be nice if they printed the changelog before the release so we know what to look for or avoid. :)
+1
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: Asyn on August 18, 2017, 02:03:27 PM
The 17.6.2308 Beta is certainly interesting : Suddely I have Cleanup Premium installed :o :o :o ( see attached screenshot )

Greetz, Red.
Confirmed, same here. Guess it's best to continue in the official thread once it's posted.
Title: Re: New Beta version 17.6.2307
Post by: DavidR on August 18, 2017, 02:26:03 PM
It is posted now - New Beta version 17.6.2308 - https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=207357.0 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=207357.0)