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Title: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on May 12, 2018, 06:57:16 AM
kaspersky and other anti-virus soft has 'Rollback'.So i think avast has Rollback,too
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: bob3160 on May 12, 2018, 08:48:28 PM
No.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: DavidR on May 12, 2018, 08:56:31 PM
No.

I don't believe the OP's post was a statement of fact, more an aspiration for Avast to consider having a roll back function.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: bob3160 on May 12, 2018, 09:04:30 PM
No.

I don't believe the OP's post was a statement of fact, more an aspiration for Avast to consider having a roll back function.
Something a few of us have long requested. At one time, Avast at least created a restore point. That's also no longer the case.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: DavidR on May 12, 2018, 10:19:54 PM
Yes I can recall the Restore Point action by Avast, for me a redundant option when I do regular weekly full hard disk backup images. 

I never felt System Restore was a truly restore everything at the time so I didn't use it.  This however isn't the case with win10s system image and creation of a recovery disk. 

If people have a robust backup and recovery strategy then a rollback for avast (or any other program) wouldn't be necessary.  I have used my backup images on my XP system many, many times over the years and not one was Avast related.  Unfortunately most people don't have a backup and recovery strategy until something serious happens.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on May 13, 2018, 07:56:12 AM
However, the average person will not backup the system, so I think avast should have the ability to rollback.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on May 13, 2018, 08:01:28 AM
I mean," hopefully avast will have the ability to rollback. But I accidentally typed the wrong word.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: DavidR on May 13, 2018, 10:06:19 AM
However, the average person will not backup the system, so I think avast should have the ability to rollback.

It really is time to learn as Avast isn't the only reason to backup your system.  As I said I have been doing this for many years, it has saved my ass (and a lot of time and grief) many times and not once was my recovery due to Avast.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: stibi on May 13, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
However, the average person will not backup the system,
.. until this person learns by the hard way.
I backup my system and my data regulary and do not expect that a program with another purpose would do that for me.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: DavidR on May 13, 2018, 12:04:23 PM
However, the average person will not backup the system,
.. until this person learns by the hard way.
I backup my system and my data regulary and do not expect that a program with another purpose would do that for me.

I don't believe the OP is suggesting that Avast do data backups or system rollback, just that Avast itself should have a rollback function. 

Even then, I don't believe it should, rolling back your Antivirus in isolation could have implications, given that AVs are deeply embedded into the OS.  For instance compatibility or rather incompatibility with the OS and what about files in the virus chest, etc.

A long time ago backing up was much more difficult than it is now, there are many backup programs around, some are even free.  Not to mention, Windows 10 has made it much easier to do a system backup, if you want to rollback, this is a much better way as it isn't rolling back one program in isolation, but everything.  However, you have to being regular backups (at least weekly) or you could have a lot of programs that require update.

Until a user loses all of their music, image, emails, data files do they have the lightbulb moment, what if they were backed up.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on May 15, 2018, 12:16:48 PM
However, many people don't waste time and space to back up the system, so I think avast needs to be rolled back.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on May 15, 2018, 12:18:04 PM
Many people only back up important files, not systems.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: Asyn on May 15, 2018, 12:21:52 PM
You can submit your feedback in "About Avast".
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: stibi on May 15, 2018, 04:09:43 PM
Many people only back up important files, not systems.
Very clever - my running system is a bunch of very important files; without it I have no files at all ;-)
What abaout wasting time if your computer crashes?
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on May 16, 2018, 06:36:50 AM
Many people only back up important files, not systems.
Very clever - my running system is a bunch of very important files; without it I have no files at all ;-)
What abaout wasting time if your computer crashes?
If antivirus software can't stop the crash, what good is it?
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: mchain on May 16, 2018, 07:02:41 AM
Not the mission of an antivirus program:
Many people only back up important files, not systems.
Very clever - my running system is a bunch of very important files; without it I have no files at all ;-)
What abaout wasting time if your computer crashes?
If antivirus software can't stop the crash, what good is it? (Bolding mine)
I can understand your desire for avast to have a rollback feature, but avast's mission is to protect a system from malware infections, and it is not it's mission to repair damage from undetected malware it may miss.  I think that is what you are getting at here.

If avast blocks a malware from ever getting in, then it has fulfilled it's mission. 

The only true rollback feature that would always work is a full disk image.  Myriad reasons to restore a known good image other than an active infection, as DavidR has pointed out above.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: Claudiu7 on May 16, 2018, 12:02:41 PM
 
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Until a user loses all of their music, image, emails, data files do they have the lightbulb moment, what if they were backed up.
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How would I loose emails and how should I back-up emails??????
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: stibi on May 16, 2018, 12:23:25 PM
How would I loose emails ?
A serious question?
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: Pondus on May 16, 2018, 12:57:02 PM
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how should I back-up emails?
If you use a mail client then it has a setting that say something like > leave mail on server
If you select this then you can access your mail account from webmail and find your mail(s) if deleted from your client

If you only use webmail and not a mailclient then it is not a problem

Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: DavidR on May 16, 2018, 02:26:52 PM
How would I loose emails ?
A serious question?

Email clients are generally open and that means your inbox folder/file is open if a system has a crash (for whatever reason), open files are in danger of corruption. 

Not to mention, depending on your avast settings, if you do an on-demand scan avast could be scanning your email, if avast can't extract the infected email then you could be at risk of the whole file being removed.  I have seen this recently in the forums and a rollback won't do a thing about that unless it was a full system rollback.

Whatever it is (emails, images, music, etc.), if you don't want to lose it, back it up.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: bob3160 on May 16, 2018, 03:33:38 PM
A regular image backup isn't hard and should be done on a regular basis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5h9Kug5HTI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5h9Kug5HTI)
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on May 27, 2018, 06:02:21 AM
Not the mission of an antivirus program:
Many people only back up important files, not systems.
Very clever - my running system is a bunch of very important files; without it I have no files at all ;-)
What abaout wasting time if your computer crashes?
If antivirus software can't stop the crash, what good is it? (Bolding mine)
I can understand your desire for avast to have a rollback feature, but avast's mission is to protect a system from malware infections, and it is not it's mission to repair damage from undetected malware it may miss.  I think that is what you are getting at here.

If avast blocks a malware from ever getting in, then it has fulfilled it's mission. 

The only true rollback feature that would always work is a full disk image.  Myriad reasons to restore a known good image other than an active infection, as DavidR has pointed out above.
When avast is truly safe, talk about it
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on May 27, 2018, 06:03:52 AM

Until a user loses all of their music, image, emails, data files do they have the lightbulb moment, what if they were backed up.
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How would I loose emails and how should I back-up emails??????
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备份电子邮件?
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on May 27, 2018, 06:08:24 AM
Not the mission of an antivirus program:
Many people only back up important files, not systems.
Very clever - my running system is a bunch of very important files; without it I have no files at all ;-)
What abaout wasting time if your computer crashes?
If antivirus software can't stop the crash, what good is it? (Bolding mine)
I can understand your desire for avast to have a rollback feature, but avast's mission is to protect a system from malware infections, and it is not it's mission to repair damage from undetected malware it may miss.  I think that is what you are getting at here.

If avast blocks a malware from ever getting in, then it has fulfilled it's mission. 

The only true rollback feature that would always work is a full disk image.  Myriad reasons to restore a known good image other than an active infection, as DavidR has pointed out above.
Avast, however, does not protect against all malware
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: bob3160 on May 27, 2018, 03:29:04 PM
Nothing protects 100% which is why you need to make regular backups. :)
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: Asyn on May 27, 2018, 03:32:41 PM
Avast, however, does not protect against all malware
-> https://blog.avast.com/av-comparatives-awards-avast-top-ranking
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: Mike23 on May 27, 2018, 03:58:36 PM
Well, The 1st thing that I was told, way back in 2004, when I started using my PC was that the first 3 rules are....
1/. Back-up.
2/. Back-up.
3/. Back-up.

You can either use a free program such as "Macrium"
or do as I do & use ACRONIS TI.
It ain't free but the support is very good if you ever strike a problem.
I do weekly back-ups of my "C" drive to an external drive & it's saved my bacon once or twice.

So....It's entirely your choice as to which way you prefer to proceed.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: DavidR on May 27, 2018, 05:35:38 PM
I have always followed the if you don't want to lose it, back it up.  I have been doing that for an extremely long time, I'm looking at the last paid version Drive Image from Power Quest, before Symantic/Norton bought them out and put the good bits into Norton Ghost.  That cost £39.99 quite a lot in 2002, I also bought their Partition Magic around the same time.

Prior to that I would be doing manual data backups of volatile files/folders with a small program called Mirror.  I still use that even now, several times a day I fire off a batch file with mirror commands to backup to a second drive.  My drive imaging software would also include that backup location.

In all of that time I have used it many times and not once as a result of a problem with Avast.  Some have been for minor issues, that I estimate would take longer to do manually than run the bootable restoration CD and point it at my backup location and last backup. 

I keep the last 6 drive image backups and I run it on Sundays and I'm just about to run it on my systems.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: bob3160 on May 27, 2018, 05:48:27 PM
As you can see, mine is almost finished. :)
(https://screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1527436027486-13289.png)
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: DavidR on May 27, 2018, 07:31:21 PM
As you can see, mine is almost finished. :)
(https://screencast-o-matic.com/screenshots/u/Lh/1527436027486-13289.png)

Yes I also use the windows backup(just done mine) on my win10 system and also create a System Repair Disc before and after any major Windows update such as the Creators, Fall, Spring update etc. 

I just fire it up and get on with something else, went out for a walk, great weather, hot but very humid, thunder expected later in the day.  So it really isn't that much of a chore and I can't understand why most people don't do it.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: stibi on May 28, 2018, 09:53:56 AM
Avast, however, does not protect against all malware

And you know a software that protects against all malware? Nice to hear details from you.
Even if such super protection would exist - you should backup your data regulary. Disks or sticks can fail, incoming data like emails can have data loss and disturb your inbox ...
And such backup is definitely NOT a job for avast.

Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on May 31, 2018, 11:51:35 AM
Avast, however, does not protect against all malware

And you know a software that protects against all malware? Nice to hear details from you.
Even if such super protection would exist - you should backup your data regulary. Disks or sticks can fail, incoming data like emails can have data loss and disturb your inbox ...
And such backup is definitely NOT a job for avast.
So, what if you encounter a virus that will delete all backups (including system image files) but avast cannot defend against it? One might say "reinstall the system with the system disc" but not everyone has the system disc. If avast had a rollback, the viruses would have been shut out      所以你明白我的话了吗?
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: DavidR on May 31, 2018, 12:55:20 PM
Avast, however, does not protect against all malware

And you know a software that protects against all malware? Nice to hear details from you.
Even if such super protection would exist - you should backup your data regulary. Disks or sticks can fail, incoming data like emails can have data loss and disturb your inbox ...
And such backup is definitely NOT a job for avast.
So, what if you encounter a virus that will delete all backups (including system image files) but avast cannot defend against it? One might say "reinstall the system with the system disc" but not everyone has the system disc. If avast had a rollback, the viruses would have been shut out      所以你明白我的话了吗?

We can only lead the horse to water we can't make them drink.

Given your latest what if.  If this virus that "will delete all of your backups and avast can't defend against it," what  would stop it killing any avast rollback function.

Did you not notice we are advising to save backups to an external hard drive.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: bob3160 on May 31, 2018, 02:19:21 PM
所以你明白我的话了吗? (So do you understand my words?)
( At least Google Translate did. :) )
We understand you apparently you're not understanding us. :)
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: rocksteady on May 31, 2018, 04:54:32 PM
Avast, however, does not protect against all malware

And you know a software that protects against all malware? Nice to hear details from you.
Even if such super protection would exist - you should backup your data regulary. Disks or sticks can fail, incoming data like emails can have data loss and disturb your inbox ...
And such backup is definitely NOT a job for avast.

So, what if you encounter a virus that will delete all backups (including system image files) but avast cannot defend against it? One might say "reinstall the system with the system disc" but not everyone has the system disc. If avast had a rollback, the viruses would have been shut out      所以你明白我的话了吗?

We can only lead the horse to water we can't make them drink.

Given your latest what if.  If this virus that "will delete all of your backups and avast can't defend against it," what  would stop it killing any avast rollback function.

Did you not notice we are advising to save backups to an external hard drive.

If you have very valuable system+data then image backup to external drive and store that drive in another building or in a fire safe.
This used to be the norm when I started with computers some decades ago. Hard drives have become more reliable, so users do not regulary experience the pain of a corrupted C: drive whether caused by hardware fault or software/virus. If the computer works today, back it up today. It may need to be restored tomorrow.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: stibi on May 31, 2018, 07:42:06 PM

So, what if you encounter a virus that will delete all backups (including system image files) but avast cannot defend against it?
Easy - I take a system image & a file backup from a harddisk or notebook that is not connected.
If even that is new to you I begin to understand your topic.  ;)
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on June 01, 2018, 08:20:12 AM
I found a virus at random, and avast could not scan it, and could not defend it. Other anti-virus software with rollback, though not able to scan, can roll back after the virus is running, so rollback is necessary to protect against such viruses。
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: bob3160 on June 01, 2018, 02:18:24 PM
I found a virus at random, and avast could not scan it, and could not defend it. Other anti-virus software with rollback, though not able to scan, can roll back after the virus is running, so rollback is necessary to protect against such viruses。
No AV is 100% effective. I'll stick with my scheduled backup protection to help when the AV does not.
I suggest you may want to change to that other AV that offers it's miracle rollback..


Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on June 02, 2018, 12:02:03 PM
I found a virus at random, and avast could not scan it, and could not defend it. Other anti-virus software with rollback, though not able to scan, can roll back after the virus is running, so rollback is necessary to protect against such viruses。
No AV is 100% effective. I'll stick with my scheduled backup protection to help when the AV does not.
I suggest you may want to change to that other AV that offers it's miracle rollback..
Although cannot achieve %100 defense, but can improve continuously! If you think that antivirus software doesn't need to answer to %100 defense, you can increase it a little bit, and rollback is one way to improve it
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: bob3160 on June 02, 2018, 03:59:34 PM
I found a virus at random, and avast could not scan it, and could not defend it. Other anti-virus software with rollback, though not able to scan, can roll back after the virus is running, so rollback is necessary to protect against such viruses。
No AV is 100% effective. I'll stick with my scheduled backup protection to help when the AV does not.
I suggest you may want to change to that other AV that offers it's miracle rollback..
Although cannot achieve %100 defense, but can improve continuously! If you think that antivirus software doesn't need to answer to %100 defense, you can increase it a little bit, and rollback is one way to improve it
We're going around in circles. Rollback or backup is not a part of Avast.
Get smart and start doing your own backup.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: mchain on June 02, 2018, 05:59:23 PM
User 2982118135, I think, started this thread in the hopes Avast would begin to feature a rollback feature because he posted it here.

Never said what antivirus has this feature afaik.  And has been given the solution to no Avast rollback feature more than once; backup your system.  And then seems to ignore what is said when he repeats his initial request in another 'what if' scenario. 

As we are users just like 2982118135, we cannot help him here.  Either he is not listening or does not understand.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: Pondus on June 02, 2018, 06:39:39 PM
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  Never said what antivirus has this feature afaik. 
https://support.kaspersky.com/6618

Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: bob3160 on June 02, 2018, 07:02:52 PM
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  Never said what antivirus has this feature afaik. 
https://support.kaspersky.com/6618 (https://support.kaspersky.com/6618)
2012 ???
Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: Pondus on June 02, 2018, 10:59:13 PM
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  Never said what antivirus has this feature afaik. 
https://support.kaspersky.com/6618 (https://support.kaspersky.com/6618)
2012 ???
I guess that is when that feature arrived? and FAQ pic is not updated

If you check avast FAQ I am pretty sure you find that all pictures are not updated to 2018




Title: Re: Rollback
Post by: REDACTED on June 03, 2018, 06:50:16 AM
User 2982118135, I think, started this thread in the hopes Avast would begin to feature a rollback feature because he posted it here.

Never said what antivirus has this feature afaik.  And has been given the solution to no Avast rollback feature more than once; backup your system.  And then seems to ignore what is said when he repeats his initial request in another 'what if' scenario. 

As we are users just like 2982118135, we cannot help him here.  Either he is not listening or does not understand.  Sorry.
what?