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Title: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: hectic-mmv on September 04, 2018, 04:13:28 PM
Hi everyone,

new beta version 18.7.2350 (build 18.7.3994) is released.

We are introducing new style of our settings. The new settings have fresh and simplified modern look and feel. We reduced the number of items so now the most important ones are visible now. The advanced settings have been moved to a secret section named Geek Area, This secret section is available via search - just fill there "geek:area" - whole string has to be written for entrance to the section. Setting are incomplete, couple sections are still in development. We are hungry to hear your feedback, what do you think, do you like them? All your comments, ideas are appreciated and will be discussed by UI team. For discussion about settings use this thread.



New settings main issues, what does not work



Enjoy the settings,
AVAST Team.

Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: NON on September 04, 2018, 05:35:34 PM
Thanks for the new settings 8)


First impression of new settings:
Looks a bit crowded but important settings are mostly still there, that is a good thing. And there will be "advanced settings" available.
Overall, I feel this a good design :)


Some other comments:

[Overall] Layouts got garbled by translations: this needs to be addressed. Reducing font-size might be one of the options.

[General - Blocked & Allowed apps] App paths are not fully shown so cannot determine same apps in deep directory. Popups are at least needed.

[General - Blocked & Allowed apps] Where is "Sensitive Data Shield"?

[Protection - Core Shields - "What to do with"] Now we cannot designate how to treat detected threats other that "Automatic", "Ask" and "None".
For my impression "Automatic" (Repair => Chest => Delete) tends to result a data loss because of "Delete" action and that makes angry users, mainly because deleted files tend to be too big to send to the chest and these files cannot be restored by recovering software also because of its size.
If removing designated action settings, "Delete" should be changed to "Block" for automatic operation, IMHO.
At least leave us old designated treatment settings in "Geeks" area.

[Protection - Core Shields - "Configure shield settings"] If I change shields, page scrolls up and down. It's hard to follow.

[Protection - Scans] I prefer keeping scans settings in current position (Main - Protection - Scans). Adding links will be good enough.

[General - Troubleshooting] Running "Repair" from here is a good way.

[General - Language] Easily reloadable. Good.

[General - Exceptions] All exceptions goes here? Are they merged or separated (i.e. can I make Avast exclude path A for CyberCapture but not for File Shield)?

[Search] Useful to find needed settings, especially for beginners.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: TheSharku on September 05, 2018, 08:24:50 AM
Please don't call anything ''Geek area''.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on September 05, 2018, 08:51:20 AM
After a first quick look around, not bad at all. Good to see the repair option included. :)
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: MartinZ on September 05, 2018, 09:22:17 AM
Please don't call anything ,,Geek area''.

why not?
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: DavidR on September 05, 2018, 10:09:41 AM
Please don't call anything ,,Geek area''.

why not?

Non Geeks won't like it (Geeks probably won't like it either) and 'Geek' is a very old term and one which is used by non-geeks as a derogatory name/term.

Try this link for what I mean http://www.tfd.com/geek (http://www.tfd.com/geek).
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Infratech Solutions on September 05, 2018, 10:11:30 AM
"Geek area" has not an easy translation to other languages.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on September 05, 2018, 10:31:41 AM
"Geek area" has not an easy translation to other languages.
No need to translate it, all geeks speak/understand English. ;)
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Infratech Solutions on September 05, 2018, 10:36:46 AM
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No need to translate it, all geeks speak/understand English.

But Avast is not only a product for geeks or english people.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on September 05, 2018, 10:38:16 AM
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No need to translate it, all geeks speak/understand English.
But Avast is not only a product for geeks or english people.
Yes, but the geek section is for experts only. Better keep noobs out there.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: DavidR on September 05, 2018, 11:45:20 AM
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No need to translate it, all geeks speak/understand English.
But Avast is not only a product for geeks or english people.
Yes, but the geek section is for experts only. Better keep noobs out there.

I don't know what is worse, the name or the implication to keep those out who aren't geeks.  Avast was essentially built around inexperienced users who didn't feel they needed a computer qualification to use it. 

Do that and you are possibly cutting off 80% of Avast users.  Most of those visiting the forums seeking help are those you are saying keep out to.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on September 05, 2018, 11:50:12 AM
Guys, before we continue here, I'd suggest to install the beta, else it's useless to discuss it. Cheers
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: SpeedyPC on September 05, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Guys, before we continue here, I'd suggest to install the beta, else it's useless to discuss it. Cheers
(https://i.imgur.com/bhtXJM3.jpg)
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: MartinZ on September 05, 2018, 04:26:24 PM
geek area will be English only. the purpose is similar to //flags in Chrome or about:config in Firefox. Really not a place for normal user ;-)

Do you have suggestion for better name?
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Alikhan on September 05, 2018, 04:28:28 PM
geek area will be English only. the purpose is similar to //flags in Chrome or about:config in Firefox. Really not a place for normal user ;-)

Do you have suggestion for better name?

I would rather call it "Advanced Settings" or "Expert Area"  than geek area.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: bob3160 on September 05, 2018, 04:59:59 PM
geek area will be English only. the purpose is similar to //flags in Chrome or about:config in Firefox. Really not a place for normal user ;-)

Do you have suggestion for better name?

I would rather call it "Advanced Settings" or "Expert Area"  than geek area.
No matter what you call it, it's something that all nosey users will want to explore.
Mark something as "Keep Out" and everyone wants to get in. It's a fact of life.
"Advanced Settings" is probably the mildest and easiest to understand term.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: RejZoR on September 06, 2018, 04:35:54 AM
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No need to translate it, all geeks speak/understand English.
But Avast is not only a product for geeks or english people.
Yes, but the geek section is for experts only. Better keep noobs out there.

I don't know what is worse, the name or the implication to keep those out who aren't geeks.  Avast was essentially built around inexperienced users who didn't feel they needed a computer qualification to use it. 

Do that and you are possibly cutting off 80% of Avast users.  Most of those visiting the forums seeking help are those you are saying keep out to.

The Geek Area literally has no purpose to casual users. Which is why it's entirely hidden unles you specifically call it via "geek:area" command in the search field of settings...
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Zeniit on September 06, 2018, 09:26:50 AM
What I missing: not see when received the last streaming update, and it's state. (connected or not)
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on September 06, 2018, 11:05:44 AM
Do you have suggestion for better name?
Personally, I like the name, so I'd vote for keeping it.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: TheLightgg on September 06, 2018, 01:48:44 PM
Do you have suggestion for better name?
Personally, I like the name, so I'd vote for keeping it.
The name is fine for me too.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: schmidthouse on September 06, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
For me it seems to be a 'novelty'...."geek area"
It also could catch on with younger......
Hard to say.

I personally don't care either way, as long as it has real function (in depth settings etc.)and  I can access :)

Edit: I would add that I think users will appreciate the fact you now don't have to click OK at right bottom for changes in settings to take effect. ;)
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: MartinZ on September 07, 2018, 09:54:10 AM
and how do you like the new search? what about the fact that actions are being set for all core shields at one place?
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on September 07, 2018, 10:16:38 AM
1. and how do you like the new search?
2. what about the fact that actions are being set for all core shields at one place?
1. It's certainly helpful (esp. if one just started using Avast).
2. I'll answer that as soon as Avast Geek Area is finished... ;)
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: MartinZ on September 07, 2018, 12:26:26 PM
geek area will take us few weeks to finish, so you should be able to do all the stuff you need in current settings..
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on September 07, 2018, 12:55:14 PM
geek area will take us few weeks to finish, so you should be able to do all the stuff you need in current settings..
NP, it's only the first beta, so take your time to improve/expand it and please keep us updated. :) Cheers
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: TheLightgg on September 07, 2018, 02:12:58 PM
Yes the name would have been disturbing if the parameter was not hidden.
No it is not disturbing because the parameter is hidden.

It's exactly the same principle with chrome or firefox with chrome: // flags and about: config.

Is the term "flags" more logical to access hidden parameters than "geek"?
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: bob3160 on September 07, 2018, 03:57:19 PM
To me, the term flags never made any sense 
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: alanb on September 07, 2018, 05:34:48 PM
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To me, the term flags never made any sense 

It's a programming thing.  I'll explain it if you like...
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: schmidthouse on September 07, 2018, 05:36:26 PM
geek area will take us few weeks to finish, so you should be able to do all the stuff you need in current settings..
NP, it's only the first beta, so take your time to improve/expand it and please keep us updated. :) Cheers

+1
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: DavidR on September 07, 2018, 07:07:31 PM
geek area will take us few weeks to finish, so you should be able to do all the stuff you need in current settings..
NP, it's only the first beta, so take your time to improve/expand it and please keep us updated. :) Cheers

I would have to say if it is going to take weeks to finish, is it not a bit premature to have it in beta if it isn't ready ?

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To me, the term flags never made any sense 

It's a programming thing.  I'll explain it if you like...

That would probably be even more obscure to the novice user, if you happy to explain it to tens/hundreds of millions of users :).

Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: TheLightgg on September 07, 2018, 10:31:00 PM
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To me, the term flags never made any sense 

It's a programming thing.  I'll explain it if you like...

I know what it is. :) Thank you.

I just wanted to say that the word flags and geeks will attract dark people.

That the word is flags, geeks, pe***, ... does not matter if it is hidden in the options. :)

Pe*** is an exaggeration. ahahah
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: bob3160 on September 07, 2018, 10:33:17 PM
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To me, the term flags never made any sense 

It's a programming thing.  I'll explain it if you like...

I know what it is. :) Thank you.

I just wanted to say that the word flags and geeks will attract dark people.

That the word is flags, geeks, pxxxs, ... does not matter if it is hidden in the options. :)

Pxxxs is an exaggeration. ahahah
That wasn't really necessary.  >:(
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: TheLightgg on September 08, 2018, 09:38:11 AM
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To me, the term flags never made any sense 

It's a programming thing.  I'll explain it if you like...

I know what it is. :) Thank you.

I just wanted to say that the word flags and geeks will attract dark people.

That the word is flags, geeks, pe***, ... does not matter if it is hidden in the options. :)

Pe*** is an exaggeration. ahahah
That wasn't really necessary.  >:(
Yes sorry  ::) I modified.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: MartinZ on September 10, 2018, 12:03:00 PM
We plan to release new settings at the end of Sep. Geek area will happen later (end of Oct/Nov).
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: NON on September 10, 2018, 12:41:56 PM
We plan to release new settings at the end of Sep. Geek area will happen later (end of Oct/Nov).
I would suggest to finish the whole thing first, then release. Or keep the old settings as is for fallback until new one is finished.

Sorry but these "coming later" often never comes.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: MartinZ on September 10, 2018, 01:36:41 PM
fallback is to edit ini files directly. geek area will be just easier view on ini files
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on October 31, 2018, 09:53:27 AM
Two issues with the latest UI-version (1.0.305), see screenshots.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on November 13, 2018, 10:27:44 AM
Two issues with the latest UI-version (1.0.305), see screenshots.
The issues are fixed in V1.0.307, testing the new UI now...
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on November 13, 2018, 11:25:58 AM
Found a new issue (UI .307), see screenshot.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on November 16, 2018, 09:50:16 AM
Note, UI has been updated to V1.0.309 (German).
The reported issue (Reply #38) isn't fixed yet.
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: Asyn on November 29, 2018, 08:54:03 AM
Note, UI has been updated to V1.0.309 (German).
The reported issue (Reply #38) isn't fixed yet.
Fixed now in V1.0.311 (German).
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: TerraX on December 04, 2018, 08:06:18 AM
Where are the settings to clean the cache of the sandbox, see screenshot.
Will they come back?

TerraX
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: MartinZ on December 04, 2018, 09:41:15 AM
Where are the settings to clean the cache of the sandbox, see screenshot.
Will they come back?

yes we will add them later to the geek area ;-)
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: MartinZ on December 04, 2018, 09:42:01 AM
how do you like the new system for exceptions/exclusions ? have your exceptions been migrated correctly?
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: TerraX on December 04, 2018, 09:58:41 AM
Where are the settings to clean the cache of the sandbox, see screenshot.
Will they come back?

yes we will add them later to the geek area ;-)
Ok, thanks for your feedback. :)

how do you like the new system for exceptions/exclusions ? have your exceptions been migrated correctly?
I didn't need it yet. ;)
Title: Re: New Settings look and feel - Beta version 18.7.2350
Post by: NON on December 04, 2018, 12:00:35 PM
how do you like the new system for exceptions/exclusions ? have your exceptions been migrated correctly?
It seems old File Shield exclusions sometimes works differently; IIRC opening folder containing malware did not trigger File Shield alert when "RW" exclusions set, but now I need "RWX" exclusions.
Also, I don't know this starts from beta or not, but malware on the network drive silently blocked (no popup) while on local drive popup appears.