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Title: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: New_Style_xd on September 29, 2018, 06:50:15 PM
1- Did you wonder if Avast has the largest database of Windows Defender than Microsoft?
2- Since Microsoft is installed around the world, I understand that the largest database is hers, because of collecting threats with great volume.
3- Microsoft it uses several servers to do analysis, according to the link that I will put below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps9ntazo1v0
4 - The work this man who is speaking in the video and great, he has Microsoft's MVP, with what he says has a lot of basis in what it says about security.
5. Did Windows Defender become the safest for reasons he explained?
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Asyn on September 30, 2018, 11:11:03 AM
-> https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=217477.0

PS: Most of us don't speak your language, so we can't comment the video.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: polonus on September 30, 2018, 12:08:58 PM
Hi Asyn, this vid we can all understand, it is visual : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHKHZnH9bm8

polonus
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Asyn on September 30, 2018, 01:49:59 PM
Hi Pol, personally IDC about such videos (esp. outdated ones from 2016 ;)).
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Secondmineboy on September 30, 2018, 02:42:23 PM
Heres a newer video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFiw8JQxyO4
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on September 30, 2018, 02:53:52 PM
Size is an imponderable and not something that you can use as a definitive answer to who has the most or best database.

Avast is constantly optimising its database, tweaking signatures to detect more than a single virus signature. 

If there was a single detection signature for every piece of malware, the database file size would be massive.  This would make it pretty unwieldy and slow.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: schmidthouse on October 01, 2018, 04:36:32 AM
I would also add, that regardless of size of data base for known virus' (whoever has the larger) malware detection is very much now more about Heuristics, AI and Behavior analysis/detection components.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: New_Style_xd on November 04, 2018, 07:05:45 PM
Thanks for the clarification on the subject of the virus database.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on November 05, 2018, 01:22:08 AM
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: kame2 on January 08, 2019, 09:00:28 PM
Avast is at least 1000 times better than vs Windows Defender, enough to say.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: polonus on January 09, 2019, 05:18:24 PM
One should also take in consideration PUP detection and blocking suspicious destinations like PHISHING sites,
just there where cybercriminal activities lure.

Windows Defender does not equal normal AV in these respects nor even has Google Safebrowsing grade protection.
See Pondus's response on this matter. So Windows Defender is even catching up here. ;)

Of course one adds a good ad- and script blocker to the browser like uBlock Origin and uMatrix,
or MBAM alerts for certain content alerts.

Moreover I write this post inside the Avast Secure Browser and there is a reason for that too.

Windows Defender is not bad for the moments that your AV for one reason or another does not work,
for instance because of critical Window file's FPs, but not under normal conditions.

polonus

Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Pondus on January 09, 2019, 08:04:20 PM
Windows Defender does not equal normal AV in these respects nor even has Google Safebrowsing grade protection.
Microsoft SmartScreen  >>>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SmartScreen



Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: polonus on January 09, 2019, 10:29:24 PM
Hi Pondus,

Thanks for given the latest information on this. Apart from this, what is the actual difference between Windows Defender and free AV?
Is it heuristics or can they be compared on an equal basis?

polonus
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Pondus on January 09, 2019, 11:16:09 PM
If you check AV compare they are doing very good

AV Compare  >>  https://www.av-comparatives.org/

Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Leo50 on March 06, 2019, 07:58:24 PM
The thing i saw is that avast setup often freeze windows defender and launching.

You have to turn it on after.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: polonus on March 06, 2019, 10:57:33 PM
It is normal for resident avast AV to disable some of the functionality of Windows Defender.
But be prepared for all eventualities.

Two resident av-solutions won't and cannot work together,
It is just like having two mean dogs in from of the parlor for better protection.
They are going after each other in stead of after the threats you may have in the form of malcode.

Turn Windows Defender full on if for some reason or other your avast solution won't function properly.
We have come across such incidents rarely in the past years.
For instance the mishap that avast will FP files critical for windows to function properly.

Only in such cases it is a good thing to disable avast resident for a while,
and to let Windows Defender temporarily come back to do the job.

When avast comes out of such mishaps and sounds the all green again,
bring up your old av solution of choice again.

polonus
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on March 07, 2019, 01:10:19 AM
It is normal for resident avast AV to disable some of the functionality of Windows Defender.
But be prepared for all eventualities.

Two resident av-solutions won't and cannot work together,
It is just like having two mean dogs in from of the parlor for better protection.
They are going after each other in stead of after the threats you may have in the form of malcode.

Turn Windows Defender full on if for some reason or other your avast solution won't function properly.
We have come across such incidents rarely in the past years.
For instance the mishap that avast will FP files critical for windows to function properly.

Only in such cases it is a good thing to disable avast resident for a while,
and to let Windows Defender temporarily come back to do the job.

When avast comes out of such mishaps and sounds the all green again,
bring up your old av solution of choice again.

polonus
It isn't Avast that disables Defender. Defender shuts most of itself down when a third party AV like Avast is installed. :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: polonus on March 07, 2019, 06:06:27 PM
Hi bob3160,

OK, when Windows Defender is the initiator there, whener it finds out about you running a resident AV solution of sorts.

On the other hand, would not it be great to have a fall-back to Windows Defender mechanism
under such rare occasions when your resident AV meets with an emergency update,
that FPs and so breaks critical Windows files,  so you cannot run to use your computer any longer.

Under such circumstances a fall-back to disabling the resident AV and bringing Windows Defender full strength back up again,
until your AV misery has been settled by a new update,  would be a welcome emergency scenario.
Cannot they bring that in.

We had such a tragic scenario twice in the past and some thanked G*d they missed such updates,
(DavidR for instance and little old me at the time), because they had not touched their device and missed that bad update,
and so never met the scr*wed-up definitions and situation.  ;D

polonus
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on March 08, 2019, 04:41:18 PM
Sorry Dameon but I don't know what question you are asking or if it is actually a question.
I simple corrected your statement as to what turns of what. :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: polonus on March 08, 2019, 06:29:07 PM
Hi bob3160,

Rightly so. Thanks. I and that issue stand corrected.

My additional question was if Defender shuts itself down when experiencing a resident AV solution,
cannot it come back up again when the resident AV through a False Positive on critical OS files for instance wrecks the Windows OS.
Would be a handy feature for such circumstances and in the meantime we could wait for safe and secure updates.
Should this be addressed to Microsoft or to avast?

Damian
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on March 08, 2019, 10:17:01 PM
Hi bob3160,

Rightly so. Thanks. I and that issue stand corrected.

My additional question was if Defender shuts itself down when experiencing a resident AV solution,
cannot it come back up again when the resident AV through a False Positive on critical OS files for instance wrecks the Windows OS.
Would be a handy feature for such circumstances and in the meantime we could wait for safe and secure updates.
Should this be addressed to Microsoft or to avast?

Damian
Should be addressed to both.
If Avast would totally shut down when there is a problem, Defender would turn itself back on.
When there is only a part of Avast that's no longer working or, if Avast isn't up to date,
Defender issues a warning only but doesn't start up.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: .: Mac :. on April 06, 2019, 03:31:22 PM
Bob,

Exception is that Defender does NOT disable itself when another AV is installed on Windows Server platforms. When Avast or other AV is there it still runs and you have to take steps to remove it from the windows features settings.

Cheers,
Mac
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on April 06, 2019, 07:05:13 PM
Bob,

Exception is that Defender does NOT disable itself when another AV is installed on Windows Server platforms. When Avast or other AV is there it still runs and you have to take steps to remove it from the windows features settings.

Cheers,
Mac
Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Professional58 on August 04, 2019, 11:01:05 AM
Windows Defender haven't Behaivoral detection
Avast = 9 (settings bad for 1 point down(i sended too many feedbacks to avast already i think they are working on it).)
Defender = 1 (only a antivirus :D )
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Pondus on August 04, 2019, 11:55:14 AM
Windows Defender haven't Behaivoral detection
Avast = 9 (settings bad for 1 point down(i sended too many feedbacks to avast already i think they are working on it).)
Defender = 1 (only a antivirus :D )

Behavior monitoring combined with machine learning spoils a massive Dofoil coin mining campaign
https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2018/03/07/behavior-monitoring-combined-with-machine-learning-spoils-a-massive-dofoil-coin-mining-campaign/

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Windows Defender AV initially flagged the attack’s unusual persistence mechanism through behavior monitoring, which immediately sent this behavior-based signal to our cloud protection service.
=======================================================




Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on August 04, 2019, 12:09:43 PM
Windows Defender haven't Behaivoral detection
Avast = 9 (settings bad for 1 point down(i sended too many feedbacks to avast already i think they are working on it).)
Defender = 1 (only a antivirus :D )
Your knowledge of Defender is certainly lacking for a proclaimed security expert ::)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on August 04, 2019, 03:00:16 PM
Windows Defender haven't Behaivoral detection
Avast = 9 (settings bad for 1 point down(i sended too many feedbacks to avast already i think they are working on it).)
Defender = 1 (only a antivirus :D )
Your knowledge of Defender is certainly lacking for a proclaimed security expert ::)
There is a difference between calling yourself an expert and
actually being an expert.
There are also some choice words reserved for self praise.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on August 04, 2019, 03:55:26 PM
So is Defender safe to use for protection in folks eyes,  or is it not safe to use in terms of normal every day protection for Windows 10 Based Machines,    Seen a lot of info lately that all folks need is Defender and Malwarebytes to have good protection,  unless i'm wrong in that thinking or believe other so called security experts more than I should
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on August 04, 2019, 03:56:51 PM
So is Defender safe to use for protection in folks eyes,  or is it not safe to use in terms of normal every day protection for Windows 10 Based Machines,    Seen a lot of info lately that all folks need is Defender and Malwarebytes to have good protection,  unless i'm wrong in that thinking or believe other so called security experts more than I should
It's your computer. My systems continue to be protected by Avast as they have been since 2003.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on August 05, 2019, 03:00:17 AM
Well This morning went to Switch back to Avast from Defender on my Windows 10 Pro Desktop,   went to remove the exclusions from Defender,    and turn off some other settings with 3rd party app--Configuredefenderx64,    then bsod occurred--Process Locked something it said,  then it restarted,  then I looked up what to check, ran sfc /scannow,  ran dism online /cleanup image next,  Heres where it gets interesting---ran chkdsk /r D:\,  let it run, did not touch the PC period while it was going for those 2 hours

When it finished I discovered all the files was missing--like totally

931gb free it said of 931gb

then ran Western Digitals Lifeguard software,  ran smart quick and extended--all passed

then did a complete clean install,  got all the drivers in, then did system image after that

Seems to be running perfectly fine now
(and yes Avast is reinstalled)

Now if I ignore those other forums, i'll be able to feel good on leaving it in again
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on August 05, 2019, 09:36:38 AM
So is Defender safe to use for protection in folks eyes
Of course it is, Defender in Windows 10 provides excellent protection and it's not necessary to have Malwarebytes running in real time, heck! I don't think I've used my Malwarebytes Pro once in the last year or more :)

Using the built in Edge Browser also adds some extra security via Windows SmartScreen plus it includes "InPrivate" for banking and such where you don't want your details tracked.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Professional58 on August 10, 2019, 11:44:21 AM
what happening i only said basic things
now you wanted :D
Avast VS Defender Comparative By Professional58
Avast! | Microsoft Windows Defender
Behaivoral Detection: Good | Nope
Self-Defence System: Good | Good
Antivirus Protection Skipping(crypters etc.): Viruses Can't escape from Avast (%99) | Viruses can drink a tea with windows defender xD (bad)
Web Protection: Phishing Protection good, Web threat blocking good | Windows Defender is trash
Bugs Status: Avast better than windows defender
User Interface: Avast so confusing and default options of avast very bad to protection (i sent a improvement to avast if they think) | Windows Defender So Easy

Total Points: Avast = 9 (to bad settings 1 point low) | Windows Defender = 1 (Only a Basic Protection, 1 point very for defender already)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: digmor crusher on August 10, 2019, 08:33:07 PM
Well according to this Mr. Best Cyber Security Expert ,Defender is better than Avast.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/369979/windows-defender-achieves-best-antivirus-status (ftp://www.pcmag.com/news/369979/windows-defender-achieves-best-antivirus-status)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on August 10, 2019, 09:03:21 PM
Well according to this Mr. Best Cyber Security Expert ,Defender is better than Avast.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/369979/windows-defender-achieves-best-antivirus-status (ftp://www.pcmag.com/news/369979/windows-defender-achieves-best-antivirus-status)
Using an old link that doesn't work isn't very persuasive. :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: digmor crusher on August 11, 2019, 02:23:59 AM
Its not old, from August 6, 2019. I screwed up I guess posting the link, just copy and paste it in your browse to view.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on August 11, 2019, 09:59:52 AM
Its not old, from August 6, 2019. I screwed up I guess posting the link, just copy and paste it in your browse to view.

Somehow or other the URL you posted had FTP (not HTTPS) at the start of the underlying URL and not what was shown on the screen.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/369979/windows-defender-achieves-best-antivirus-status (https://www.pcmag.com/news/369979/windows-defender-achieves-best-antivirus-status)

This one works.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on August 11, 2019, 03:38:02 PM
One good report also doesn't make it the top of the class.
Those test scores vary from month to month.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Professional58 on August 18, 2019, 01:43:48 PM
Well according to this Mr. Best Cyber Security Expert ,Defender is better than Avast.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/369979/windows-defender-achieves-best-antivirus-status (ftp://www.pcmag.com/news/369979/windows-defender-achieves-best-antivirus-status)
Windows Defender lower than avast
it is guarenteed from me.
i will do a test and share it here with screenshots we can look windows defender vs avast :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on August 18, 2019, 02:59:20 PM
Windows Defender lower than avast
it is guarenteed from me.
i will do a test and share it here with screenshots we can look windows defender vs avast :)
Results from legitimate and professional testing companies are quite welcome, If your personal tests are like your personal opinions below then they're not even believable and are completely amateur without facts and figures
Avast VS Defender Comparative By Professional58
Avast! | Microsoft Windows Defender
Behaivoral Detection: Good | Nope
Self-Defence System: Good | Good
Antivirus Protection Skipping(crypters etc.): Viruses Can't escape from Avast (%99) | Viruses can drink a tea with windows defender xD (bad)
Web Protection: Phishing Protection good, Web threat blocking good | Windows Defender is trash
Bugs Status: Avast better than windows defender
User Interface: Avast so confusing and default options of avast very bad to protection (i sent a improvement to avast if they think) | Windows Defender So Easy

Total Points: Avast = 9 (to bad settings 1 point low) | Windows Defender = 1 (Only a Basic Protection, 1 point very for defender already)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Professional58 on August 18, 2019, 03:01:18 PM
Windows Defender lower than avast
it is guarenteed from me.
i will do a test and share it here with screenshots we can look windows defender vs avast :)
Results from legitimate and professional testing companies are quite welcome, If your personal tests are like your personal opinions below then they're not even believable and are completely amateur without facts and figures
Avast VS Defender Comparative By Professional58
Avast! | Microsoft Windows Defender
Behaivoral Detection: Good | Nope
Self-Defence System: Good | Good
Antivirus Protection Skipping(crypters etc.): Viruses Can't escape from Avast (%99) | Viruses can drink a tea with windows defender xD (bad)
Web Protection: Phishing Protection good, Web threat blocking good | Windows Defender is trash
Bugs Status: Avast better than windows defender
User Interface: Avast so confusing and default options of avast very bad to protection (i sent a improvement to avast if they think) | Windows Defender So Easy

Total Points: Avast = 9 (to bad settings 1 point low) | Windows Defender = 1 (Only a Basic Protection, 1 point very for defender already)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=tr&sl=tr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Ftr-safetydetectives-com.cdn.ampproject.org%2Fv%2Fs%2Ftr.safetydetectives.com%2Famp%2Fblog%2Fwindows-defender-vs-tam-kapsami-antivirus%2F%3Famp_js_v%3D0.1%26usqp%3Dmq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D%23avast
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Professional58 on August 18, 2019, 03:02:41 PM
avast better.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on August 18, 2019, 03:14:51 PM
avast better.
Sorry but that page is not believable or even professional, statements like below referring to running multiple browsers when supposed to be talking about anti-viruses ::)
 
( You should install an antivirus on your computer, but it is probably not wise for you to use more than one full-range antivirus at the same time. You ask why? Running multiple browsers at the same time will slow down your system and cause confusion between antivirus software. )

Also comparing Malwarebytes against Defender, Malwarebytes isn't even a Anti-virus ::)

Try looking up some AVComparatives reviews and similar professional companies who've actually done tests on detection and prevention of malware.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on August 18, 2019, 03:42:18 PM
@Professional58
I suggest you keep your personal ratings to yourself. they certainly don't belong on this forum.
Avast is regularly rated by many competent testing organizations. Those results are trusted by the industry.
I don't know what you're "professional" at but it certainly isn't rating Antivirus products.

Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on August 18, 2019, 04:11:16 PM
Well what about this professional sites review that state in the article possible privacy issues, and Avast collecting browser history.    I manage My 2 Gaming systems and Mom's system in the household here, and while she may not understand the privacy options,  I certainly do myself,   not sure how I feel 100 percent on it possibly collecting browser history and who knows what else from the systems

Years  ago I switched from Windows Live One Care to Avast on January 1st 2006 after I was testing Windows Live OneCare a while/bought a 3 user copy, ended up with all household systems infected somehow then,   then based on online friend recommendation choose to install Avast Free,   but nowadays local tech friends don't recommend Avast Free, and other online tech forums,  so got me worried now

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/avast-free-antivirus,review-2208.html

know this review is on older version of Avast Free, but still a bit concerned.     If nothing to worry about,  then will keep Avast installed on all household systems

Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on August 18, 2019, 04:25:32 PM
Well what about this professional sites review that state in the article possible privacy issues, and Avast collecting browser history.    I manage My 2 Gaming systems and Mom's system in the household here, and while she may not understand the privacy options,  I certainly do myself,   not sure how I feel 100 percent on it possibly collecting browser history and who knows what else from the systems

Years  ago I switched from Windows Live One Care to Avast on January 1st 2006 after I was testing Windows Live OneCare a while/bought a 3 user copy, ended up with all household systems infected somehow then,   then based on online friend recommendation choose to install Avast Free,   but nowadays local tech friends don't recommend Avast Free, and other online tech forums,  so got me worried now

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/avast-free-antivirus,review-2208.html (https://www.tomsguide.com/us/avast-free-antivirus,review-2208.html)

know this review is on older version of Avast Free, but still a bit concerned.     If nothing to worry about,  then will keep Avast installed on all household systems
2 things to realize on this data collection.
1. the information is not personal information it's anonymized.
2. Use a custom install and go through the privacy settings to customize the default settings.
(Default always allow the most amount of data sharing and this is probably true for 99.9% of all programs and apps installed.)

Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: schmidthouse on August 18, 2019, 10:59:01 PM
From what I've read and discussed when it comes to "data mining" there is no privacy.
If you're on the internet your data (personal or otherwise) is out there and collectable regardless of settings.
"Privacy" is a non-issue, as there isn't any.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Asyn on August 25, 2019, 06:54:25 PM
-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE-xdb9hTqY
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on August 29, 2019, 10:01:22 PM
So should i reinstall Avast, and disregard Local PC Shop techs advice that was just stick to Defender for protection when i had laptop in for a minor issue/dust cleanout a month ago


Wondering if Defender also can affect performance in games,  in GTA V online, when i used it a bit on the laptop,  didn't get many kills during the shooting aspects, i have since moved that game over to the gaming Desktop and i do a little better than i did in the past

I tend to believe as well other forums that i visit at times to read computer news, and almost end up using Defender when i know it's probably not the best antivirus.     
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on August 29, 2019, 10:52:19 PM
Ultimately it's your computer and your choice. We can't do more than offer our opinions.
It's up to you to either take them or not. You should also be guided by your past experience with Avast.



Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: digmor crusher on August 31, 2019, 05:41:40 AM
So should i reinstall Avast, and disregard Local PC Shop techs advice that was just stick to Defender for protection when i had laptop in for a minor issue/dust cleanout a month ago


Wondering if Defender also can affect performance in games,  in GTA V online, when i used it a bit on the laptop,  didn't get many kills during the shooting aspects, i have since moved that game over to the gaming Desktop and i do a little better than i did in the past

I tend to believe as well other forums that i visit at times to read computer news, and almost end up using Defender when i know it's probably not the best antivirus.   

Patrick, there is no best anti-virus, all the top ones are always very close to each other in testing, find what works best on your computer. Defender has improved tremendously the past year or so, some say it affects performance , other say not, so I go back to find what works best for you. One thing with Defender is that you will get no pop-ups trying to up sell you products or no bloatware. A lot of them have free trials so you can test them on your rig, just be sure to uninstall them completely before trying anything else, a lot have uninstall tools.So whether it be Avast, Defender or something else its up to you to find your best solution.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on September 01, 2019, 02:45:03 AM
Thank you @digmor crusher   I'll check out how performance is with a few trials,  who knows at the end of the trials and full removals with the providers tools, i may end up determining Avast Free still meets all my needs for all the systems in the household.      One system we do our online banking on so concerned a little on that,   Gaming systems so far trying out Defender,  whether protected enough remains to be seen,  but Few scans, and Malwarebytes Full scan, nothing found at all on any system

I tend to believe other comments i see around the web, and i got a little uneasy with Avast for some reason, can't really explain it,  but who knows might decide its for the best for me in the coming week or two here.   Though i do like the no ad aspect, or bloatware so far

Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on September 30, 2019, 11:45:42 PM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html

Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on September 30, 2019, 11:47:48 PM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html)
Your computer, your choice. Certainly not mine. :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on October 01, 2019, 12:16:56 AM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html)
Your computer, your choice. Certainly not mine. :)

It wouldn't be my choice either.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Michael (alan1998) on October 01, 2019, 03:34:23 PM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html)
Your computer, your choice. Certainly not mine. :)

It wouldn't be my choice either.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. I don't run traditional AVs, or AM programs. But my solution to that is a whole lot more technical and in depth.

I have a Win 10 VM for day to day activities (YT, Email, Social Media, etc). CentOS, Win 7, KALI for testing purposes on their own VMs. Running that is the host system, which is exclusively used for playing games/streaming/recording (VMs don't play well with graphics cards, unfortunately). Then there is a physically separate network running an AD network (upgraded laptop serving as the DC) with 4 desktops/laptops running under it (with varying levels of permissions).

So the risk to the host machine is (while not zero), far less then your average user. It's the VMs that are "at risk", and they have snapshots created on a bi-weekly basis.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Pondus on October 01, 2019, 04:07:50 PM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html
That is the combo the dews at Malwarebytes use, premium +  defender



Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on October 01, 2019, 05:58:02 PM
<snip quotes>

Different strokes for different folks I suppose. I don't run traditional AVs, or AM programs. But my solution to that is a whole lot more technical and in depth.

I have a Win 10 VM for day to day activities (YT, Email, Social Media, etc). CentOS, Win 7, KALI for testing purposes on their own VMs. Running that is the host system, which is exclusively used for playing games/streaming/recording (VMs don't play well with graphics cards, unfortunately). Then there is a physically separate network running an AD network (upgraded laptop serving as the DC) with 4 desktops/laptops running under it (with varying levels of permissions).

So the risk to the host machine is (while not zero), far less then your average user. It's the VMs that are "at risk", and they have snapshots created on a bi-weekly basis.

Yes different strokes for different folks, but your setup is far from conventional, so a different stroke for you ;)

For most users they need all of the help they can get from conventional sources.  Doing what you do might be beyond their comfort zones.

I could probably get away with a similar setup as yours, but I have never been inclined to go down the VM route. 

I do weekly drive image update and keep the last 6 generations (saved of the system) I also do multiple daily backups of volatile files (using a batch file and a tool called mirror.exe), documents, emails, images, downloads, bookmarks, etc. 

Malware, isn't the only thing that people have to prepare/plan for.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on October 01, 2019, 07:53:29 PM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html)
That is the combo the dews at Malwarebytes use, premium +  defender
Bet that's not what the developers at Avast use.
Do you really think that on the Avast support forum we really care what the dev. @ MB use?
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Pondus on October 01, 2019, 08:04:13 PM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html)
That is the combo the dews at Malwarebytes use, premium +  defender
Bet that's not what the developers at Avast use.
Do you really think that on the Avast support forum we really care what the dev. @ MB use?
Yepp i know several avast users that do ....





Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: schmidthouse on October 01, 2019, 08:22:34 PM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html

Avast is Free.
So the info. from the link isn't, imo relevant
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on October 01, 2019, 08:38:03 PM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html)
That is the combo the dews at Malwarebytes use, premium +  defender
Bet that's not what the developers at Avast use.
Do you really think that on the Avast support forum we really care what the dev. @ MB use?

Yepp i know several avast users that do ....

I don't, how can they be if they are still (as you say) Avast Users ???
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Pondus on October 01, 2019, 08:48:44 PM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html)
That is the combo the dews at Malwarebytes use, premium +  defender
Bet that's not what the developers at Avast use.
Do you really think that on the Avast support forum we really care what the dev. @ MB use?

Yepp i know several avast users that do ....

I don't, how can they be if they are still (as you say) Avast Users ???
They have more then one machine and test several AV combos


Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on October 01, 2019, 09:40:09 PM
Opinions on this article regarding Antiviruses and Windows Defender protection, so many people I speak to, consult with for PC tech issues, local shops, all keep telling me to drop Avast, and just rely on Defender, and Malwarebytes.    So far have kept Avast installed, but it's tempting at times just to use Defender for protection


https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3434097/why-you-can-stop-paying-for-antivirus-software.html)
That is the combo the dews at Malwarebytes use, premium +  defender
Bet that's not what the developers at Avast use.
Do you really think that on the Avast support forum we really care what the dev. @ MB use?

Yepp i know several avast users that do ....

I don't, how can they be if they are still (as you say) Avast Users ???

They have more then one machine and test several AV combos

Lets break it down further as essentially you haven't responded to bob3160s point.
Quote from: bob3160
Bet that's not what the developers at Avast use.

He is talking about Avast Developers, you are talking about Avast Users.

But then again you are on shaky ground, given that you no longer even use Avast :D

I take it that you using Defender and MB then ;)
If not then this is guesswork that Avast Users are using Defender and MB.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Pondus on October 01, 2019, 09:56:26 PM
Quote
He is talking about Avast Developers, you are talking about Avast Users.
He said  ".....we really care what the dev. @ MB use? "  i assumed that meant the users of this forum, but ok if that was not it


Quote
But then again you are on shaky ground, given that you no longer even use Avast
So because i dont use avast i can not know what other users of this forum use?


Quote
I take it that you using Defender and MB then
No i dont. At the moment i use 3 different AVs and only have MBAM free


Quote
If not then this is guesswork that Avast Users are using Defender and MB.
Well i guess what they tell me in PMs is a lie then




Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on October 01, 2019, 11:09:17 PM
Didn't mean to start any arguments with the article,  that I thought was related to the topic, but maybe I was wrong.    In any case still using Avast on household systems here,  yes I did switch for a bit just to test performance with Defender, and such, but in the end decided to stick with Avast Free,   Still a few household systems to get it back on yet though, but overall I think i'm happy and fine now.   


I just gotta get myself to stop following other forums advice, and make sure I keep it installed, and keep system fully up to date


Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on October 01, 2019, 11:16:38 PM
Didn't mean to start any arguments with the article,  that I thought was related to the topic, but maybe I was wrong.    In any case still using Avast on household systems here,  yes I did switch for a bit just to test performance with Defender, and such, but in the end decided to stick with Avast Free,   Still a few household systems to get it back on yet though, but overall I think i'm happy and fine now.   


I just gotta get myself to stop following other forums advice, and make sure I keep it installed, and keep system fully up to date
No arguments just clarifying some items. :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on October 01, 2019, 11:28:08 PM

Quote from: DavidR
I take it that you using Defender and MB then
No i dont. At the moment i use 3 different AVs and only have MBAM free

Quote from: DavidR
If not then this is guesswork that Avast Users are using Defender and MB.

Well i guess what they tell me in PMs is a lie then

I would have to take your word for that, though I can't understand why they would bother.

Personally I don't really care what others use, that is their system and entirely their choice.  I have made mine.

I don't make my mind up based on what I read on other forums, etc.  I make my mind up on my own personal experience of having used avast free on all of my systems for over fifteen and a half years.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on October 01, 2019, 11:41:11 PM
Yeah sticking to Avast here,  used since 2006,  just gonna not worry on what others use now, other forums and such, decision made fully.     

Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Pondus on October 02, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
Quote
Do you really think that on the Avast support forum we really care what the dev. @ MB use?
just a reminder @Bob3160  this forum section does have the name

Non-Avast security products
Discussion about competitor's products (ESET, Kaspersky, Norton etc..)

so somone did care/see the need for it




Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on October 02, 2019, 03:25:39 PM
Quote
Do you really think that on the Avast support forum we really care what the dev. @ MB use?
just a reminder @Bob3160  this forum section does have the name

Non-Avast security products
Discussion about competitor's products (ESET, Kaspersky, Norton etc..)

so somone did care/see the need for it
Considering that you don't use Avast, you may be one of those people who care.
I certainly don't and neither will most who use Avast.
Most of us are interested in additional protection that works with Avast which isn't the same
as an interest in a replacement for Avast.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on October 03, 2019, 01:56:49 PM
Seems some people forget this is a non Avast security section.

There is nothing wrong with Defender, protection is excellent and less problematic concerning bug issues or deceptive advertising.

Running Malwarebytes in real time I feel is also no longer necessary these days with Defender or Avast, periodic scanning is fine, additional programs I do add to all systems is Adguard and AOMEI Backupper Standard no matter what AV is being used.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on October 03, 2019, 02:55:13 PM
Seems some people forget this is a non Avast security section.

There is nothing wrong with Defender, protection is excellent and less problematic concerning bug issues or deceptive advertising.

Running Malwarebytes in real time I feel is also no longer necessary these days with Defender or Avast, periodic scanning is fine, additional programs I do add to all systems is Adguard and AOMEI Backupper Standard no matter what AV is being used.
Sorry but to me it's a bit strange to see an Avast Überevangelist who doesn't use Avast, pushing alternative AV products.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on October 03, 2019, 03:04:02 PM
Bob, where did I say I don't use Avast ::) it's always tested on one system here as well as many others so I have a fairly good judgement to base my statement on.

I must say though that if you have no wish to discuss AV's other than Avast then you should steer clear of topics that may broaden your limited outlook on security options.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on October 03, 2019, 03:18:22 PM
Bob, where did I say I don't use Avast ::) it's always tested on one system here as well as many others so I have a fairly good judgement to base my statement on.

I must say though that if you have no wish to discuss AV's other than Avast then you should steer clear of topics that may broaden your limited outlook on security options.
Where did I say that it was you that I was talking about? :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on October 03, 2019, 03:30:22 PM
Where did I say that it was you that I was talking about? :)
Quoting my post should explain that  ::)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Asyn on October 05, 2019, 02:41:38 PM
Novter Trojan Sets its Sights on Microsoft Windows Defender
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/novter-trojan-sets-its-sights-on-microsoft-windows-defender/
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Michael (alan1998) on October 06, 2019, 06:46:54 AM
Novter Trojan Sets its Sights on Microsoft Windows Defender
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/novter-trojan-sets-its-sights-on-microsoft-windows-defender/

Asyn, this isn't new news, unfortunately. That are many ways to block programs (even AV/AM) from running. I've personally seen advanced malware stop even advanced programs in their tracks (everything from Avast! to MBAM, MBAR (MBAM Anti rootkit), GMER, Combofix, and OTL (At the time, now we use FRST)). Defender isn't the last solution to be targeted...
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Asyn on October 06, 2019, 11:36:00 AM
Defender isn't the last solution to be targeted...
Well, WD is certainly a main target (nowadays). Also, its self protection is quite poor.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on October 06, 2019, 02:07:32 PM
Defender isn't the last solution to be targeted...
Well, WD is certainly a main target (nowadays). Also, its self protection is quite poor.
All AV's are targets. :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Michael (alan1998) on October 06, 2019, 11:00:55 PM
Defender isn't the last solution to be targeted...
Well, WD is certainly a main target (nowadays). Also, its self protection is quite poor.
All AV's are targets. :)

Bob, you're quite correct.

Don't get me wrong - WD is not the best solution out there... but compared to the good old days of Windows 7, the current version is leaps and bounds ahead of it's former self. The emphasis should not lay on a program to decide whether or not a program is malicious. The emphasis should be training users to recognize threats.

Good steps:

1) Recognizing phishing/malicious emails.
2) Trusted source downloads only. (Torrents are OK, provided you can verify hashes, and assuming they don't violate copyright)
3) Keeping programs updated. People are terrible at this.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: polonus on October 06, 2019, 11:49:16 PM
Microsoft's Windows Defender has come a long way from where it once was positioned.

That is good for the Windows community not to go unprotected.  :D
We have avast, avast browser, avast mobile, when you use your smartphone as an access point,
avast secure browser and avast extension for other browsers.

As Google likes to let everything to run inside the browser, either Google Chrome or browsers based on it,
there is a gigantic attack surface there. Now lately also with DNS DoH over port 443 running inside the browser.
Not coming to the UK as we have heard, as authorities are opposed to this (because of filtering).
Read: https://blog.apnic.net/2019/04/08/opinion-what-does-doh-really-mean-for-privacy/

Also recently another attack surface, also inside the browser: Reductor malware
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/03/kaspersky_reductor_malware/

I am glad with av-solution doing the job, but also with my VoodooShield sitting there,
and keeping things from running unattended

So yep, protect your devices, but also keep your browser from harm (ad-block and script block,
for instance uMatrix and uBlockOrigin) , I write this in Avast Secure Browser with Malwarebytes extension enabled,
and Avast Hackcheck that has access to this site, while I writing this message,

polonus
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on October 07, 2019, 12:54:29 AM
While I Tried Defender for a while on my Household systems,  decided to stick with Avast Free in the end,  as scan time is so much shorter if I run manual scans once in a while,  possibly Avast Self Protection is a bit better than Defenders is.     

 Though I maybe safe with just using Defender,  as I make sure to delete any emails that I even think maybe a scam,  clean my email box weekly, including junk folder,   Make sure to manually check for updates daily, or if I forget a day, then I immediately check soon as I remember for all apps on system,  including Windows UWP Apps,  I do have a tendacy to fall for folks saying Defender is all I need in other forums when I post on other forums with totally unrelated PC problems that aren't even related to Antivirus or system security,   I must stop falling for that type of stuff and switching programs so much, always been an issue with me

Back in 2005  I was a tester for Windows Live One Care,   I know now I made mistakes then,  getting virus samples, and attempting to run them, and some got right past Windows Live One Care then,   (Bios root kits, MBR Rootkits,  system was so bad,  PC shop had to rebuild the entire system with new hardware,  lesser hardware than the original system, but at the time I  just finally wanted a working system.     Switched back after that to using Symantec Norton Antivirus,  til someone in January 2006, recommened Avast, and I switched immediately to Avast, and now if I can stop falling for those other peoples comments, and forums i'll now keep Avast installed like that past on All systems


Hardware wise back then

Went from a AMD Athlon 2500+,  Abit NF7-s (nforce chipset) Max amount of ram allowed,  Creative Xi-fi Soundcard,  Radeon 9600XT,  and 120gb Hard drive, and 320GB Maxtor think was then

Replacement Hardware
Socket 754 Sempron (forget exact model)
Radeon 9800Xt
4GB of Ram
Western Digital blue IDE hard drive
Seagate 80gb or something it was as slave drive back then

So yeah I probably went from a fairly good build,  to a really low end build for a few years,  til received a Socket 939 AMD 64 3500+ for a few more years

Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Michael (alan1998) on October 07, 2019, 03:32:56 AM
While I Tried Defender for a while on my Household systems,  decided to stick with Avast Free in the end,  as scan time is so much shorter if I run manual scans once in a while,  possibly Avast Self Protection is a bit better than Defenders is.     

 Though I maybe safe with just using Defender,  as I make sure to delete any emails that I even think maybe a scam,  clean my email box weekly, including junk folder,   Make sure to manually check for updates daily, or if I forget a day, then I immediately check soon as I remember for all apps on system,  including Windows UWP Apps,  I do have a tendacy to fall for folks saying Defender is all I need in other forums when I post on other forums with totally unrelated PC problems that aren't even related to Antivirus or system security,   I must stop falling for that type of stuff and switching programs so much, always been an issue with me

Back in 2005  I was a tester for Windows Live One Care,   I know now I made mistakes then,  getting virus samples, and attempting to run them, and some got right past Windows Live One Care then,   (Bios root kits, MBR Rootkits,  system was so bad,  PC shop had to rebuild the entire system with new hardware,  lesser hardware than the original system, but at the time I  just finally wanted a working system.     Switched back after that to using Symantec Norton Antivirus,  til someone in January 2006, recommened Avast, and I switched immediately to Avast, and now if I can stop falling for those other peoples comments, and forums i'll now keep Avast installed like that past on All systems


Hardware wise back then

Went from a AMD Athlon 2500+,  Abit NF7-s (nforce chipset) Max amount of ram allowed,  Creative Xi-fi Soundcard,  Radeon 9600XT,  and 120gb Hard drive, and 320GB Maxtor think was then

Replacement Hardware
Socket 754 Sempron (forget exact model)
Radeon 9800Xt
4GB of Ram
Western Digital blue IDE hard drive
Seagate 80gb or something it was as slave drive back then

So yeah I probably went from a fairly good build,  to a really low end build for a few years,  til received a Socket 939 AMD 64 3500+ for a few more years

Yeah - I regret to inform you - that tech shop hosed you. (It wasn't GeekSquad was it?)

All rootkits can be removed, may take some time, but it can be done. MBR tables can be destroyed, BIOS systems reinstalled outright (flashing, which your board support FYI). They may not have had the knowledge, but it can be done.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on October 07, 2019, 03:35:26 AM
Former Local Place that went out of business not too long after that little incident back then in 2005.     Never used GeekSquad for any repairs thankfully lol.    That was only local shop I could afford at the time to try and get it repaired

Anyways these days much more careful when I download, and do online now


lately solve my own issues if I can or ask in online forums if an issue I can't figure out

But not gonna mess up my Intel I7 based systems  (my first ever I7 based systems, and first Intel based Systems since 2003) 

Nowadays I only open email from trusted sources,  delete if I think it's spam, or go directly to said companies site and login there

Update all programs on every system soon as an update comes out

bios updates have gone smoothly on current systems

full virus scan and Malwarebytes scan done weekly

weekly backup, system images done with Macrium reflect free

so think pretty safe these days I hope
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Asyn on February 01, 2020, 08:45:50 AM
Windows Defender vs Ransomware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXtTgP8JkSk
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on February 01, 2020, 03:09:24 PM
Windows Defender vs Ransomware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXtTgP8JkSk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXtTgP8JkSk)
Very interesting. Wish there was a comparison on a system with the free version of Avast.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Kermit80 on February 01, 2020, 05:01:44 PM
Windows Defender vs Ransomware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXtTgP8JkSk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXtTgP8JkSk)
Very interesting. Wish there was a comparison on a system with the free version of Avast.

from the same author: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4aKjA2T_c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4aKjA2T_c)
Altough it's not just ransomware related
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on February 01, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
Windows Defender vs Ransomware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXtTgP8JkSk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXtTgP8JkSk)
Very interesting. Wish there was a comparison on a system with the free version of Avast.

from the same author: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4aKjA2T_c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4aKjA2T_c)
Altough it's not just ransomware related
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: andrewbaggins on February 01, 2020, 06:23:40 PM
Avast is at least 1000 times better than vs Windows Defender, enough to say.

We have a Windows 10 laptop and we use the built-in Windows Defender (or whatever they're calling it this week  ;). Used in conjunction with Chrome browser, Lastpass password manager, and the occasional just-to-be-sure MalwareBytes scan (which we do no matter which anti-virus is installed), there's never been an infection or other problem with the laptop. I've had Windows Defender block a website from opening now and then as does Chrome sometimes, too.

With similar internet usage on our slightly older Windows 8.1 Pro laptop, Avast performs similarly well, i.e. the occasional alert or blocked website, etc. While I appreciate that the scope of Avast features and protection is beyond the core function of Windows Defender it is only fair to note that Defender does its job effectively.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on February 01, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
Avast is at least 1000 times better than vs Windows Defender, enough to say.

We have a Windows 10 laptop and we use the built-in Windows Defender (or whatever they're calling it this week  ;) . Used in conjunction with Chrome browser, Lastpass password manager, and the occasional just-to-be-sure MalwareBytes scan (which we do no matter which anti-virus is installed), there's never been an infection or other problem with the laptop. I've had Windows Defender block a website from opening now and then as does Chrome sometimes, too.

With similar internet usage on our slightly older Windows 8.1 Pro laptop, Avast performs similarly well, i.e. the occasional alert or blocked website, etc. While I appreciate that the scope of Avast features and protection is beyond the core function of Windows Defender it is only fair to note that Defender does its job effectively.
Much of this also depends on the user.  As shown in the first video, effective protection isn't always sufficient.
Your computer, your choice.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on February 01, 2020, 07:02:14 PM
Defender is always up in the top tier group for protection, simple and effective :)  the cream on top is no deceptive nagware/advertising.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on February 01, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
Defender is always up in the top tier group for protection, simple and effective :)  the cream on top is no deceptive nagware/advertising.
I have no objections to an occasional request to use the paid product.
I hate the scary popups like you're using a basic firewall, etc. (I happen to prefer the basic firewall I'm using)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Asyn on March 23, 2020, 07:25:56 AM
Windows 10: Defender skips elements during scan
https://borncity.com/win/2020/03/21/windows-10-defender-skips-elements-during-scan/
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-defender-bug-in-windows-10-skips-files-during-scans/
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on March 23, 2020, 01:06:50 PM
Windows 10: Defender skips elements during scan
https://borncity.com/win/2020/03/21/windows-10-defender-skips-elements-during-scan/ (https://borncity.com/win/2020/03/21/windows-10-defender-skips-elements-during-scan/)
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-defender-bug-in-windows-10-skips-files-during-scans/ (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-defender-bug-in-windows-10-skips-files-during-scans/)
Let's hope the files skipped were not infected files.  :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on March 23, 2020, 04:02:10 PM
Windows 10: Defender skips elements during scan
https://borncity.com/win/2020/03/21/windows-10-defender-skips-elements-during-scan/ (https://borncity.com/win/2020/03/21/windows-10-defender-skips-elements-during-scan/)
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-defender-bug-in-windows-10-skips-files-during-scans/ (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-defender-bug-in-windows-10-skips-files-during-scans/)
Let's hope the files skipped were not infected files.  :)

If this bug/flaw is known (not its been published it is) to malware writers.

This could also result in harmful files being put into any area/folder if this flaw/bug extended to folders also.  But nothing to stop malicious files being crafted with that file type in the hope, the file name/type is the only check to determine if it should be scanned or not.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on March 23, 2020, 04:31:24 PM
Windows 10: Defender skips elements during scan
https://borncity.com/win/2020/03/21/windows-10-defender-skips-elements-during-scan/ (https://borncity.com/win/2020/03/21/windows-10-defender-skips-elements-during-scan/)
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-defender-bug-in-windows-10-skips-files-during-scans/ (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-defender-bug-in-windows-10-skips-files-during-scans/)
Let's hope the files skipped were not infected files.  :)

If this bug/flaw is known (not its been published it is) to malware writers.

This could also result in harmful files being put into any area/folder if this flaw/bug extended to folders also.  But nothing to stop malicious files being crafted with that file type in the hope, the file name/type is the only check to determine if it should be scanned or not.
From what I read, these were random files not a specific type.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on March 23, 2020, 09:03:05 PM
Still using Defender here on a few machines,  problem is i always seen that message as i do have some exclusions as a few games require the game to be excluded in Antivirus program, so i didn't really think much of it

System scans clean with Malwarebytes Free still though, so happy there
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: bob3160 on March 23, 2020, 09:15:07 PM
Still using Defender here on a few machines,  problem is i always seen that message as i do have some exclusions as a few games require the game to be excluded in Antivirus program, so i didn't really think much of it

System scans clean with Malwarebytes Free still though, so happy there
Malwarebytes isn't an AV. :)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: Patrick2 on March 23, 2020, 09:40:22 PM
I know that, but still showed clean, and also scanned with Eset online scanner---both clean,  so thinks going well despite the possible issue with Defender,  that i'd never notice as already have exclusions for the one game
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on March 24, 2020, 05:29:35 PM
Windows 10: Defender skips elements during scan
https://borncity.com/win/2020/03/21/windows-10-defender-skips-elements-during-scan/
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-defender-bug-in-windows-10-skips-files-during-scans/
Fix for the skipped items issue if affected in Win10, enable Network Scanning https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/windows-defender-fix-for-windows-10-enable-network-scanning/
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on March 25, 2020, 02:16:36 PM
Microsoft Silently Fixes Bug Causing Windows Defender to Skip Files During Scans, update KB4052623 released for Windows Defender on March 24

https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-silently-fixes-bug-causing-windows-defender-to-skip-files-during-scans-529555.shtml
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: rocksteady on March 27, 2020, 11:13:09 AM
Craig, that link ends up as a error 404 page not found
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on March 27, 2020, 07:13:44 PM
My guess is the mic...ender element of the URL is a shortening of the URL resulting in a failure.

I did a search in Softpedia for Microsoft Silently Fixes Bug Causing Windows Defender to Skip Files During Scans.

This found this article, which I presume is the one.
https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-silently-fixes-bug-causing-windows-defender-to-skip-files-during-scans-529555.shtml (https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-silently-fixes-bug-causing-windows-defender-to-skip-files-during-scans-529555.shtml)
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: CraigB on March 28, 2020, 05:09:25 PM
Craig, that link ends up as a error 404 page not found
My guess is the mic...ender element of the URL is a shortening of the URL resulting in a failure.
Sorry about that, no idea how that happened  :-\

Thanks for finding the right link David :) I updated my mistake too.
Title: Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
Post by: DavidR on March 28, 2020, 09:12:45 PM
Craig, that link ends up as a error 404 page not found
My guess is the mic...ender element of the URL is a shortening of the URL resulting in a failure.
Sorry about that, no idea how that happened  :-\

Thanks for finding the right link David :) I updated my mistake too.

No problem, I wanted to read it too :)