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Title: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 18, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
Anyone know how to change the start menu in Windows 10 version 1903?  Right now I'm using Classic Shell but I don't like it.

Any replies would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: Asyn on April 18, 2019, 02:00:38 PM
Right now I'm using Classic Shell but I don't like it.
IMO, that's already the best tool out there.
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: bob3160 on April 18, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
Anyone know how to change the start menu in Windows 10 version 1903?  Right now I'm using Classic Shell but I don't like it.

Any replies would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.
Windows 10 v 1903 has not officially been released.
You also don't state what you don't like and what you're trying to accomplish.
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: midnight on April 18, 2019, 03:42:46 PM
I know it hasn't been released but I have the windows insider version and that start menu only shows settings, just a little round thing. The classic shell start menu doesn't look it did several years ago.  I've searched for a different start menu but haven't found anything.  My start menu doesn't look like this
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: bob3160 on April 18, 2019, 08:59:48 PM
I know it hasn't been released but I have the windows insider version and that start menu only shows settings, just a little round thing. The classic shell start menu doesn't look it did several years ago.  I've searched for a different start menu but haven't found anything.  My start menu doesn't look like this
It's quite possible that ClassicShell doesn't support 1903.
Have you removed ClassicShell to see if that restores the default Start Menu ???
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: bob3160 on April 18, 2019, 11:11:18 PM
Read this it will give you a greater insight into the improvement of the start menu in 1903.
https://www.ghacks.net/2019/04/18/start-menu-gets-its-own-process-and-a-performance-boost-in-windows-10-19h1/ (https://www.ghacks.net/2019/04/18/start-menu-gets-its-own-process-and-a-performance-boost-in-windows-10-19h1/)
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: midnight on April 18, 2019, 11:29:48 PM
I have task manager open but I don't see details  I'm on details so what am I supposed to do next?
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: bob3160 on April 19, 2019, 12:00:46 AM
I have task manager open but I don't see details  I'm on details so what am I supposed to do next?
Do next with what ???
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: midnight on April 19, 2019, 01:43:30 AM
Start menu

What is this?
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: midnight on April 19, 2019, 12:30:24 PM
]Windows 10 v 1903 has not officially been released.

You knew I had the insider's release
I was on the phone with a Microsoft Technician who took control of my computer for almost 2 hours yesterday and he was going to roll back my computer to version 1809 using the Media Creation tool but it didn't change anything so I still have version 1903
I tried it myself and when it finished it wanted to reset my computer. I had only 1 option and that was to delete all my files.so I closed the window.  What a worthless tool that is.
BTW Classic Shell works fine on my PC

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typo
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: bob3160 on April 19, 2019, 02:20:53 PM
Sorry but you'll need to find someone else to work with.
Apparently even posting a link to an article which was meant to be read isn't safe.
Find a local technician or contact Microsoft.
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: midnight on April 19, 2019, 03:43:24 PM
I did contact Microsoft.  If you read my post you would see that I was on the phone for around 2 hours talking to Microsoft Technician.
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: bob3160 on April 19, 2019, 03:50:46 PM
I read your posts before replying.
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: midnight on April 19, 2019, 06:09:18 PM
The same person from Microsoft called me 3 times late yesterday night but I didn't answer because I didn't want to do a repeat of what happened yesterday morning.
Title: Re: Start Menu
Post by: DavidR on April 19, 2019, 06:18:39 PM
You can't keep changing the Topic title.

To simply seek to have it delete it because you aren't getting the answers you were hoping for, after asking "Any replies would be appreciated."  If the topic were to be deleted, who do you think would bother to help the next time you come seeking it.

Anyone know how to change the start menu in Windows 10 version 1903?  Right now I'm using Classic Shell but I don't like it.

Any replies would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Much the same as not answering the MS calls, who are reaching out to you to try and help. 

The same person from Microsoft called me 3 times late yesterday night but I didn't answer because I didn't want to do a repeat of what happened yesterday morning.

You at least have to see if they are going to try and repeat what was already covered.
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: bob3160 on April 19, 2019, 06:43:06 PM
Stop posting in the topic and it will eventually fall off the radar.
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 19, 2019, 08:25:28 PM
EDIT
Replied to the wrong person
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: =Snake= on April 19, 2019, 09:05:31 PM
@DavidR,

The same Microsoft Tech called me again today.  He used the Media Creation Tool, or whatever it's called.  When that was finished it asked if I wanted to reset, keep my files or remove everything.  I didn't want to do either one and I told him I didn't.  He's supposed to call me again on April 26 at 5pm but I'm not going to answer.
So you'll get, what you want and that is what you still have!
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 19, 2019, 09:08:26 PM
What
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: schmidthouse on April 19, 2019, 09:10:28 PM
Stop posting in the topic and it will eventually fall off the radar.

+1
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 19, 2019, 11:21:03 PM
@DavidR,

I talked to the same Microsoft Tech again today.  He took control on my computer and he done the same thing all over again.  He brought up a screen and it showed reset, keep files or delete everything.  I didn't want to do either one and I told him I didn't.  He is supposed to call again on April 26 @5PM but I'm not going to answer.  I don't want to go through  the hassle ever again.

EDIT
typo
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: DavidR on April 20, 2019, 12:41:44 AM
@DavidR,

I talked to the same Microsoft Tech again today.  He took control on my computer and he done the same thing all over again.  He brought up a screen and it showed reset, keep files or delete everything.  I didn't want to do either one and I told him I didn't.  He is supposed to call again on April 26 @5PM but I'm not going to answer.  I don't want to go through  the hassle ever again.

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typo

At least you accepted the call to find out what his plan was. 

But why you didn't accept one of the 2 options:
1.  delete everything. 
2.  reset, keep files.

Option 1.  Really isn't something to go for as it would effectively be a clean install of windows, presumably that would be 1809, but that is something you have to ask him.  Obviously you would have to be prepared to reinstall everything and restore your data/image files, etc. from your backup images.  You see where I'm going with this you have to have a robust backup and recovery strategy, to recover from issues like this without having to delete everything and start again.

Option 2.  Surely would have retained the files and programs that you have installed (especially if you have no backups) and only rolled back to the previous version of Windows.  Which may or may not have been 1903 (and possibly not the insiders version) or 1809, this is what you should have asked him.

Finally when he made the appointment to call back on April 26 @5PM, you should have asked him what his plan was for that support call.  You have to clearly state to the support tech what it is you want, I'm guessing this would be a non destructive rollback to 1809, leaving your installed programs and data files intact. Have/did you clearly  communicate that ?

Simply not answering the call isn't going to help you one little bit (not to mention rude, when an appointment was made), you will be in the same boat as you are now, no doubt frustrated.  I don't know if having signed up for the insiders program you would remain on that, at the very least use that call to find out how to leave the insiders program and confirm exactly what it is that you hoping they can achieve in that appointment.
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 20, 2019, 01:05:42 AM
I told him what I wanted today and the first time I talked to him.  I want to go back to version 1809 and that's what I told him both times I talked to him.  He used the media creation tool, or whatever it's called.  I will answer when he calls the next time and once again tell him exactly what I want.

I'm no longer a Windows Insider.
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 20, 2019, 11:58:22 AM
I don't think he's from America because it's kind of hard to understand what he's saying. I hope the next time he calls he won't use the media creation tool because that doesn't work. He should be smart enough to roll me back to version 1809 without using that tool.  Guess I'll find out the next time he calls.
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 23, 2019, 06:32:58 PM
@DavidR,

I talked to the same Microsoft Tech again today.  He took control on my computer and he done the same thing all over again.  He brought up a screen and it showed reset, keep files or delete everything.  I didn't want to do either one and I told him I didn't.  He is supposed to call again on April 26 @5PM but I'm not going to answer.  I don't want to go through  the hassle ever again.

EDIT
typo

At least you accepted the call to find out what his plan was. 

But why you didn't accept one of the 2 options:
1.  delete everything. 
2.  reset, keep files.

Option 1.  Really isn't something to go for as it would effectively be a clean install of windows, presumably that would be 1809, but that is something you have to ask him.  Obviously you would have to be prepared to reinstall everything and restore your data/image files, etc. from your backup images.  You see where I'm going with this you have to have a robust backup and recovery strategy, to recover from issues like this without having to delete everything and start again.

Option 2.  Surely would have retained the files and programs that you have installed (especially if you have no backups) and only rolled back to the previous version of Windows.  Which may or may not have been 1903 (and possibly not the insiders version) or 1809, this is what you should have asked him.

Finally when he made the appointment to call back on April 26 @5PM, you should have asked him what his plan was for that support call.  You have to clearly state to the support tech what it is you want, I'm guessing this would be a non destructive rollback to 1809, leaving your installed programs and data files intact. Have/did you clearly  communicate that ?

Simply not answering the call isn't going to help you one little bit (not to mention rude, when an appointment was made), you will be in the same boat as you are now, no doubt frustrated.  I don't know if having signed up for the insiders program you would remain on that, at the very least use that call to find out how to leave the insiders program and confirm exactly what it is that you hoping they can achieve in that appointment.
He called yesterday evening and he said the only way to get version 1809 was to reset this PC so I guess I'm going to have to do that
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: DavidR on April 23, 2019, 06:57:33 PM
At least you have your clear answer, it may not be what you wanted, but is a sure lesson in using OS insider installs/updates.  When/if they go wrong it can mean having to go back to square one.  I feel this should only been done on a non-critical system, not your everyday work system.

In all of this time we/me in the forums keep banging on about having a robust Backup & Recovery Strategy.  Primarily using drive imaging software that makes an exact copy of your drive/partitions, etc. and saved to an external drive. 

This would have allowed you to go back to the exact state, prior to that insider install/update by restoring the image prior to this OS install/update.  I normally do a weekly drive image backup and would recommend doing a backup before any major OS update.
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 23, 2019, 07:28:34 PM
I have 2 other win 10 computers.  I used to know how to hook them up but I don't remember now.  My neighbor who always worked on my computers has gone on vacation for 4 months.

If I reset my PC will I have a windows password?  If so I surely don't remember that.
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: mchain on April 23, 2019, 09:01:40 PM
I have 2 other win 10 computers.  I used to know how to hook them up but I don't remember now.  My neighbor who always worked on my computers has gone on vacation for 4 months.

If I reset my PC will I have a windows password?  If so I surely don't remember that.
As DavidR says, a robust backup will put your system back exactly the way it was before you made your changes.  Presumably you weren't using a Windows password at that time when you made your backup, so you wouldn't need one now.  Plus, you would be back at version 1809 too.
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 23, 2019, 09:44:21 PM
I don't have a backup so that's why I'm afraid to reset my PC
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 23, 2019, 09:52:30 PM

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[/quote]Windows 10 v 1903 has not officially been released.
You also don't state what you don't like and what you're trying to accomplish.
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The Microsoft tech I talked to yesterday evening told me I need to reset my PC.  I started to do that today but I don't know if I will need a password for windows. If i do I don't remember it
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: Pondus on April 23, 2019, 10:04:48 PM
I don't have a backup so that's why I'm afraid to reset my PC
And as said many times before, you have free online backup with your Hotmail account if you just activate it


Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: midnight on April 23, 2019, 10:10:46 PM
I don't know how to do that
Title: Re: Start Menu/Could a Moderator please delete this topic
Post by: Pondus on April 23, 2019, 10:27:56 PM
I don't know how to do that
Ask your neighbor



Link given many times also, here we go again

OneDrive 

https://onedrive.live.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwmxUgSfZM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pon2YTzJYcU

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Onedrive