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Title: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: wadej on January 28, 2020, 02:18:58 PM
From Kim Komando's web site:
"... according to the joint investigation by Motherboard and PCMag, leaked user data and internal documents revealed the famed antivirus developer Avast has been engaging in data collection behind the scenes.

The report details that Avast has been collecting data from customers like web browsing history, shopping habits and searches via a subsidiary called Jumpshot.

Clients reportedly paid Jumpshot millions of dollars for this data, with big names like McDonald’s, Conde Nast, Google, Sephora, Intuit and more. Some of the clients even asked for something called an “all clicks feed,” which tracks specific clicks and web interactions to a startling degree.

As an example of the depth of information Avast was collecting, reporters discovered one user visited porn websites, as well as what they were searching for and how they arrived there.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: RejZoR on January 28, 2020, 04:10:38 PM
Everyone saying all of this, but no one tells if avast! antivirus alone collects data in such a way or just its browser extensions. Meaning, if you're not using avast! browser extensions, you're not even affected.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: johnymer on January 28, 2020, 04:45:29 PM
According to article in czech newspapers,  browser add on was needed to collect data. In spíte of this fact,users did not accept IT in EULA.There weré statement "we collect somedata to improve our produkt ,but NOT TO SELL IT. Avast should repay their users,this is shame of trustworthy czech company.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: RejZoR on January 28, 2020, 04:59:46 PM
Yeah, they certainly didn't do any favors to their reputation with all this. I hope whatever % they got from selling data was worth losing pretty much all reputation they managed to get through years. Would think companies these days know how hard it's to have good reputation and how quickly you can lose all of it if you're stupid and/or greedy.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: andrejl2 on January 28, 2020, 06:05:28 PM
Yeah, they certainly didn't do any favors to their reputation with all this. I hope whatever % they got from selling data was worth losing pretty much all reputation they managed to get through years. Would think companies these days know how hard it's to have good reputation and how quickly you can lose all of it if you're stupid and/or greedy.


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Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: andrejl2 on January 28, 2020, 06:14:25 PM
And be sure to check every Avast program separately for privacy options, example, i have Avast premium security + avast cleanup premium:

- they have both separated privacy options, so its not enough to uncheck them only in one program... all of them have it on by default.


Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Patrick2 on January 28, 2020, 06:27:13 PM
The Browser Extensions was one thing,  but if this is related to the actual program this time,  i'd say there reputation is down in the dumps for a long time now, as internet won't forget things like this,   Even Tech reviews on youtube already on this,  I'm sure there not Editiors choice anymore on PCMag's site lol
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Ilie I. on January 28, 2020, 06:28:07 PM
Because of these privacy problems, PCMag will no longer name Avast as the Editors Choice.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: RejZoR on January 28, 2020, 09:30:31 PM
Good job avast! team I guess. This is when you put earnings and profits all the way in front of everything else...
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: polonus on January 28, 2020, 10:30:32 PM
L.S.

Tracking takes place everywhere and is part of the core-business of every major modern data player on the Interwebz.
For avast that means 32% tracking per webpage, as can be established here:
https://whotracks.me/websites/avast.com.html

On this forum no tracking, ads and security threats are being detected. Just mere content.

For avast dot com, see this privacy & security report: https://webcookies.org/cookies/avast.com/21520
Privacy Impact Score = meaning an overall E-grade status.

Cookie storing a token that can be used to retrieve client identifier from Google Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) Client ID service

When 3rd paries try to de-anonymize user IDs, it is just what these parties do or try to do, isn't it?  :D

httpOnly - cookie can be read by client-side JavaScript which might increase chances of stealing it in case of a successful Cross-Side Scripting attack. It's recommended that cookies storing authentication-related session token are protected by the flag....

A number of privacy protection projects maintain lists of known web trackers. These trackers will be in most cases effectively blocked by their browser extensions:
Tracker google (category disconnect) will be blocked by disconnectme
Tracker google (category disconnect) will be blocked by privacybadger

A number of privacy protection projects maintain lists of known web trackers. These trackers will be in most cases effectively blocked by their browser extensions:
Tracker yandex (category advertising) will be blocked by disconnectme
Tracker yandex (category advertising) will be blocked by privacybadger
Tracker yandex (category advertising) will be blocked by eff

Also advanced tracking by beacon-APIs and GIF1x! tracking  (can be blocked using ZenMate Web Firewall extension).

Publisher identifiers
The website uses the following advertisement publisher ids:

GTM-PZ48F8 (-www.googletagmanager.com)
34150835 (-metrika.yandex.ru)
GTM-ID (-www.googletagmanager.com)

uBlock Original blocks most of it via EasyPrivacy filter, like:
-https://amplifypixel.outbrain.com/pixel?mid=00e90e8b457ea896ec99c27c7feedfda33&dl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.com%2Fde-de%2Findex%23pc&bust=049128163629211485

Because of the following filter

||amplifypixel.outbrain dot com^  Consider here: https://whotracks.me/websites/amplifypixel.outbrain%20dot%20com

I.m.h.o. every browser user, being online should use a good adblocker and scriptblocker,
like for instance uBlock Origin combined with uMatrix.

Also be alerted whenever trying to connect out to a http:// website, to have it blocked initially,
so one could consider whether it is safe enough to connect out there after being alerted.
HTTP Only extensions that alert in this way will keep you out of harm's way.

Avast may be attacked in this way, but we have heard little about the overall practices going on at Google's, facebook, CloudFlare's,
Amazon, Alibaba's, etc. etc. making a very long list, we hear nothing essential about, so why to come and rig the boat here for avast?

"Who is without any sins, should cast the first stone here". Who is that gonna be? I am asking Motherboard, PCMag.

polonus
(fully dedicated to avast's mission for well over a decade and half & very proud where avast took me
in the realm of being a volunteer third party cold recon website security analyst  and error-hunter,
providing me with a platform to do so).
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Pondus on January 28, 2020, 10:42:13 PM
Quote
Avast may be attacked in this way, but we have heard little about the overall practices going on at Google's, facebook, CloudFlare's,
Amazon, Alibaba's, etc. etc. making a very long list, we hear nothing essential about, so why to come and rig the boat here for avast?
Because it is a security company .... it should protect privacy anyway possible


Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: andrejl2 on January 28, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
Quote
Avast may be attacked in this way, but we have heard little about the overall practices going on at Google's, facebook, CloudFlare's,
Amazon, Alibaba's, etc. etc. making a very long list, we hear nothing essential about, so why to come and rig the boat here for avast?
Because it is a security company .... it should protect privacy anyway possible

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Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: BenMS86 on January 29, 2020, 12:27:36 AM
Avast may be attacked in this way, but we have heard little about the overall practices going on at Google's, facebook, CloudFlare's,
Amazon, Alibaba's, etc. etc. making a very long list, we hear nothing essential about, so why to come and rig the boat here for avast?

"Who is without any sins, should cast the first stone here". Who is that gonna be? I am asking Motherboard, PCMag.

polonus
(fully dedicated to avast's mission for well over a decade and half & very proud where avast took me
in the realm of being a volunteer third party cold recon website security analyst  and error-hunter,
providing me with a platform to do so).

LOL what? No, just no. Amazon, Google, FB, etc, have received a lot of attention. Thing is, Google and FB have an core business model of data selling since basically the start (Google Ads system was launched not too far after their search engine became a hit). It's their core business. Amazon has an thing that should be looked at too more critically, but as far as we know Amazon doesn't straight-up sell fully identifiable data to third-parties from customers on their marketplace. 'Stacked' metadata, maybe. Direct data on marketplace customers? I highly doubt it - they'd be out of business if that would happen. (Although I can't say if they don't trade customer data of the likes of stuff they see through AWS etc)

Avast has been an security vendor first and foremost, till without notification they decided to start selling customer data. Two problems: not their core business, and no notification of doing so. That's why what Avast has been/is doing is one of the worst cases I've encountered over the years so far.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Be Secure on January 29, 2020, 06:09:54 AM
Very very disappointed with this + Avast stop release public Betas (about 3months) and it is right time for uninstall immediately.
As a longtime user of avast free (10 year+) it is very emotional and tough for me to go, But privacy is  important topic. :( :(
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Asyn on January 29, 2020, 06:10:43 AM
Avast’s commitment to responsible data use
https://blog.avast.com/our-commitment-to-responsible-data-use
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: r@vast on January 30, 2020, 08:56:52 AM
A message from Avast CEO Ondrej Vlcek
https://blog.avast.com/a-message-from-ceo-ondrej-vlcek
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Lucifer66 on January 30, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
I hope it was worth it, if you look at the poll you are losing about half your users so far. Let alone your reputation is in the toilet. Really you should just go out of business and make a new anti-virus company so you can grab more cash using our information like the other crooks on the internet. Maybe name it "Ahead", like you go ahead and screw people for money. Like some kind of prostitute.

This just goes to show you that we need legislation to make this stuff a crime.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: XdxD on January 30, 2020, 06:16:40 PM
I hope it was worth it, if you look at the poll you are losing about half your users so far. Let alone your reputation is in the toilet. Really you should just go out of business and make a new anti-virus company so you can grab more cash using our information like the other crooks on the internet. Maybe name it "Ahead", like you go ahead and screw people for money. Like some kind of prostitute.

This just goes to show you that we need legislation to make this stuff a crime.
The Avast uberevangelists don't have any problem with what Avast has done. Why, I don't know.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: RejZoR on January 30, 2020, 08:04:35 PM
I hope it was worth it, if you look at the poll you are losing about half your users so far. Let alone your reputation is in the toilet. Really you should just go out of business and make a new anti-virus company so you can grab more cash using our information like the other crooks on the internet. Maybe name it "Ahead", like you go ahead and screw people for money. Like some kind of prostitute.

This just goes to show you that we need legislation to make this stuff a crime.
The Avast uberevangelists don't have any problem with what Avast has done. Why, I don't know.

I have a problem with it to an extent. Given I've always disabled data sharing the first thing after installing avast! I wouldn't even be affected, but it's still disturbing thought that they've gone from collecting data to improve protection which I'm fine with, to collecting just all data and selling it further. Aggregated or anonymized or not, why was there a need? Just to satisfy stupid greedy investors and entirely ruin your reputation? I really don't know what they were thinking...
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: steens on January 30, 2020, 11:58:54 PM
I have a problem with it to an extent. Given I've always disabled data sharing the first thing after installing avast! I wouldn't even be affected...

You sure about that? I've always custom installed core shields only & disabled all available data share options & geekarea config, but webshields was scraping data directly.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: schmidthouse on January 31, 2020, 01:29:37 AM
I hope it was worth it, if you look at the poll you are losing about half your users so far. Let alone your reputation is in the toilet. Really you should just go out of business and make a new anti-virus company so you can grab more cash using our information like the other crooks on the internet. Maybe name it "Ahead", like you go ahead and screw people for money. Like some kind of prostitute.

This just goes to show you that we need legislation to make this stuff a crime.
The Avast uberevangelists don't have any problem with what Avast has done. Why, I don't know.

I don't think that's true.


Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: jraju on January 31, 2020, 01:38:51 AM
Hi, i do not think that avast will do like this , sharing of browsing experience.
Not only news papers but so much articles on web shows that avast is selling data.
Should not you get the consesnt of the users of this.
sorry, avast explanations does not cut ice with users like me
sorry, i will look for another alternative.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: kenny556 on January 31, 2020, 02:50:09 AM
I hope avast/avg gets removed off every single AV test page. I hope PC mag continues to tell people to move away from the product avast and it's employees deserve to suffer the heat after this stunt. Please continue to uninstall the product lets teach these unethical's a lesson.   
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: kenny556 on January 31, 2020, 03:30:32 AM
I hope it was worth it, if you look at the poll you are losing about half your users so far. Let alone your reputation is in the toilet. Really you should just go out of business and make a new anti-virus company so you can grab more cash using our information like the other crooks on the internet. Maybe name it "Ahead", like you go ahead and screw people for money. Like some kind of prostitute.

This just goes to show you that we need legislation to make this stuff a crime.
The Avast uberevangelists don't have any problem with what Avast has done. Why, I don't know.

Avast could sell user data to users on the darkweb and the uberevangelists especially B0B would still recommend it and find that nothing is wrong.  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: XdxD on January 31, 2020, 06:32:27 AM
I hope it was worth it, if you look at the poll you are losing about half your users so far. Let alone your reputation is in the toilet. Really you should just go out of business and make a new anti-virus company so you can grab more cash using our information like the other crooks on the internet. Maybe name it "Ahead", like you go ahead and screw people for money. Like some kind of prostitute.

This just goes to show you that we need legislation to make this stuff a crime.
The Avast uberevangelists don't have any problem with what Avast has done. Why, I don't know.

I have a problem with it to an extent. Given I've always disabled data sharing the first thing after installing avast! I wouldn't even be affected, but it's still disturbing thought that they've gone from collecting data to improve protection which I'm fine with, to collecting just all data and selling it further. Aggregated or anonymized or not, why was there a need? Just to satisfy stupid greedy investors and entirely ruin your reputation? I really don't know what they were thinking...
Glad to know that some do care. Even I kept those check boxes off since the beginning, but the privacy scandal of others' data bugs me.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: XdxD on January 31, 2020, 06:33:22 AM
I hope it was worth it, if you look at the poll you are losing about half your users so far. Let alone your reputation is in the toilet. Really you should just go out of business and make a new anti-virus company so you can grab more cash using our information like the other crooks on the internet. Maybe name it "Ahead", like you go ahead and screw people for money. Like some kind of prostitute.

This just goes to show you that we need legislation to make this stuff a crime.
The Avast uberevangelists don't have any problem with what Avast has done. Why, I don't know.

Avast could sell user data to users on the darkweb and the uberevangelists especially B0B would still recommend it and find that nothing is wrong.  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Only some I think. But yeah, I didn't expect Bob to side with them even after such a scandal.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Pondus on January 31, 2020, 07:54:22 AM
I hope it was worth it, if you look at the poll you are losing about half your users so far. Let alone your reputation is in the toilet. Really you should just go out of business and make a new anti-virus company so you can grab more cash using our information like the other crooks on the internet. Maybe name it "Ahead", like you go ahead and screw people for money. Like some kind of prostitute.

This just goes to show you that we need legislation to make this stuff a crime.
The Avast uberevangelists don't have any problem with what Avast has done. Why, I don't know.

Avast could sell user data to users on the darkweb and the uberevangelists especially B0B would still recommend it and find that nothing is wrong.  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Not me, i gave up avast long time ago and i no longer preach the gospel


Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: XdxD on January 31, 2020, 08:01:58 AM
Not me, i gave up avast long time ago and i no longer preach the gospel
Glad to know that.
Edit: I have moved away to Defender. Happy with it.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: chris.. on January 31, 2020, 01:01:34 PM
I can't answer the vote, there's no choice that fits.
"wait and see what happens on avast" would have been my vote.
Indeed, I'd be happy to believe someone would tell me with certainty what the impact will be on the future safety of the product (essential point).

Avast must also be moving on eggshells at time.
As Avast is not Microsoft, it is easier to separate from the first one, even if many of us know that the position of the 2 (it's not limited to "2") regarding personal data are more or less the same.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Michael (alan1998) on January 31, 2020, 04:00:10 PM
I hope avast/avg gets removed off every single AV test page. I hope PC mag continues to tell people to move away from the product avast and it's employees deserve to suffer the heat after this stunt. Please continue to uninstall the product lets teach these unethical's a lesson.

As much as I may dislike Avast!'s recent tactics (this is not the only one I'm against), Avast! employee's do not deserve to take the heat for the latest stunt. They get paid to do what they're told, nothing more. The people who DO deserve to take the heat for this are the stakeholders, and senior leadership who (presumably) either voted to made this happen.

Think of it this way: You refuse to do the job you were hired to do for.

What happens to you? You. Get. Fired. They hire someone to replace you. What happens to you? You're out of a job, and (like the average American might be) living paycheque to paycheque. You're fucked, Avast! keeps moving on without you, and would never notice the difference.

Don't blame avast! employees. Blame senior leadership. Enough with that horseshit.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: abruptum on January 31, 2020, 04:01:32 PM
I'll wait and see what happens.
I still don't know if we are talking about Avast AV or browser extensions.
I never used Avast extensions and never will since they are inferior to other known security add-ons.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on January 31, 2020, 04:13:14 PM
I'm still a bit confused? So they found out that the information sold by Jumpshot (Avast) revealed that they visited a porn site.
I'm sure that there are many that fit that category. It didn't identify the individual. It simply reported someone visited a certain porn site.
What's the big deal? What am I missing.  :o

Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: drake145 on January 31, 2020, 05:15:50 PM
I'm still a bit confused? So they found out that the information sold by Jumpshot (Avast) revealed that they visited a porn site.
I'm sure that there are many that fit that category. It didn't identify the individual. It simply reported someone visited a certain porn site.
What's the big deal? What am I missing.  :o

I believe people are upset because it was done behind the scenes and Avast was not upfront about it.

People are probably having some of the following questions:

Would they have disclosed this if they hadn't been caught?
How can we take their word that things will be fixed if trust has already been lost?
What other things are they doing with our data that we don't know about?
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: kenny556 on January 31, 2020, 07:52:30 PM
Damage has already been done it's to late....... The way i look at it is similar to what I0bit did to malwarebytes back in the day with stealing it's databases. I0bit has never been the same now avast has done a similar thing to our user data... They used us including "paid users" as pawns in they're financial gains. 
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on January 31, 2020, 09:45:24 PM
Damage has already been done it's to late....... The way i look at it is similar to what I0bit did to malwarebytes back in the day with stealing it's databases. I0bit has never been the same now avast has done a similar thing to our user data... They used us including "paid users" as pawns in they're financial gains.
The difference is that the data they shared was't directly identifiable to you.
IObit's offence was outright theft. IObit is still in business and some of their products are actually good.


This in no way is offered as an excuse for the use of that data. Without explicit consent to share, that data was the property of the user.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: jraju on February 01, 2020, 01:28:40 PM
Hi, I also read the recent admission of sellilng  of data and ceos apology, i put it as i read in the net, to users and say that they have stopped some jumpshot, which uses the whole thing leaded.
But , what is the action taken to block the  usage of data of the said seller of the data company
No news and kind of action taken report on that in this forum and anywhere in news paper.
The trust i posed in avast is such that , il know each menu of the avast and i liked it.
There was no news from avast regarding this , but from other sources.
It is a black spot on the so called trust reposed my members all over the world .
i have not seen a post on this from the regular posters in this regard
How could now i believe in what avast is saying and doing.
It is difficult to say here. i have recommended this product for so many friends.
Hope that avast responds to this thread
NOte: there is no B options , while editing the post
Please re read the first line. that is the main concern

Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: thetruth8 on February 01, 2020, 02:09:55 PM
I'm still a bit confused? So they found out that the information sold by Jumpshot (Avast) revealed that they visited a porn site.
I'm sure that there are many that fit that category. It didn't identify the individual. It simply reported someone visited a certain porn site.
What's the big deal? What am I missing.  :o
There's ways the data can actually be analyzed and linked back to a person's real identity, potentially revealing every website the user visited, including the search terms made and other info.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 01, 2020, 03:31:18 PM
I'm still a bit confused? So they found out that the information sold by Jumpshot (Avast) revealed that they visited a porn site.
I'm sure that there are many that fit that category. It didn't identify the individual. It simply reported someone visited a certain porn site.
What's the big deal? What am I missing.  :o
There's ways the data can actually be analyzed and linked back to a person's real identity, potentially revealing every website the user visited, including the search terms made and other info.
I'm still waiting for some proof that I can actually be identified in the information that was collected.
We should also be notified if our data was shared and have a right to have that data deleted. (If that were even possible.)
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Mike ALA on February 01, 2020, 04:06:55 PM
I'm still waiting for some proof that I can actually be identified in the information that was collected.

Come on Bob. I've been reading your posts forever and you're clearly a smart guy. If let's say Amazon buys data from av Jumpshot they get info on what a certain Avast ID did on their page at a certain time. For example clicked on an advert for a new iPhone. By cross-reference Amazon can easily see what Avast ID belongs to what IP or even customer that clicked on that advert at the exact same time. That anonymous Avast ID is worthless.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 01, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
I'm still waiting for some proof that I can actually be identified in the information that was collected.

Come on Bob. I've been reading your posts forever and you're clearly a smart guy. If let's say Amazon buys data from av Jumpshot they get info on what a certain Avast ID did on their page at a certain time. For example clicked on an advert for a new iPhone. By cross-reference Amazon can easily see what Avast ID belongs to what IP or even customer that clicked on that advert at the exact same time. That anonymous Avast ID is worthless.
@Mike,
That still isn't the kind of proof I'm waiting for.
You're assuming that I have no problem with the data sharing revelation and that's totally incorrect.
I'm pissed that it was going on and wish it had voluntarily been stopped prior to someone else finding out that it was happening.
Non of that changes the fact that from a security standpoint, Avast is still an excellent AV product.

Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Mike ALA on February 01, 2020, 05:07:56 PM
I'm still waiting for some proof that I can actually be identified in the information that was collected.

Come on Bob. I've been reading your posts forever and you're clearly a smart guy. If let's say Amazon buys data from av Jumpshot they get info on what a certain Avast ID did on their page at a certain time. For example clicked on an advert for a new iPhone. By cross-reference Amazon can easily see what Avast ID belongs to what IP or even customer that clicked on that advert at the exact same time. That anonymous Avast ID is worthless.
@Mike,
That still isn't the kind of proof I'm waiting for.
You're assuming that I have no problem with the data sharing revelation and that's totally incorrect.
I'm pissed that it was going on and wish it had voluntarily been stopped prior to someone else finding out that it was happening.
Non of that changes the fact that from a security standpoint, Avast is still an excellent AV product.

You where asking for proof that users are identifiable by the sold information, and they are. I'm also sceptical if a good product is enough to outweigh when the company behind it had shown such lack of judgement.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Kermit80 on February 01, 2020, 05:19:11 PM
I'm still waiting for some proof that I can actually be identified in the information that was collected.

Come on Bob. I've been reading your posts forever and you're clearly a smart guy. If let's say Amazon buys data from av Jumpshot they get info on what a certain Avast ID did on their page at a certain time. For example clicked on an advert for a new iPhone. By cross-reference Amazon can easily see what Avast ID belongs to what IP or even customer that clicked on that advert at the exact same time. That anonymous Avast ID is worthless.

IMHO at the moment this is just a convincing concept, not a proof
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 01, 2020, 05:23:46 PM
I'm still waiting for some proof that I can actually be identified in the information that was collected.

Come on Bob. I've been reading your posts forever and you're clearly a smart guy. If let's say Amazon buys data from av Jumpshot they get info on what a certain Avast ID did on their page at a certain time. For example clicked on an advert for a new iPhone. By cross-reference Amazon can easily see what Avast ID belongs to what IP or even customer that clicked on that advert at the exact same time. That anonymous Avast ID is worthless.
@Mike,
That still isn't the kind of proof I'm waiting for.
You're assuming that I have no problem with the data sharing revelation and that's totally incorrect.
I'm pissed that it was going on and wish it had voluntarily been stopped prior to someone else finding out that it was happening.
Non of that changes the fact that from a security standpoint, Avast is still an excellent AV product.

You where asking for proof that users are identifiable by the sold information, and they are. I'm also sceptical if a good product is enough to outweigh when the company behind it had shown such lack of judgement.
Their habits and internet activity is identified not the individual. And I totally agree that even totally unidentifiable, that information without user consent, should never be shared.
I'm also smart enough to know that most of us really have no privacy on the internet.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: DavidR on February 01, 2020, 05:38:46 PM
I'm still a bit confused? So they found out that the information sold by Jumpshot (Avast) revealed that they visited a porn site.
I'm sure that there are many that fit that category. It didn't identify the individual. It simply reported someone visited a certain porn site.
What's the big deal? What am I missing.  :o
There's ways the data can actually be analyzed and linked back to a person's real identity, potentially revealing every website the user visited, including the search terms made and other info.

You might want to read by an author that has nothing to do with Avast.
https://sparktoro.com/blog/avasts-shutdown-of-jumpshot-will-harm-the-web-and-the-world/
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Asyn on February 01, 2020, 07:28:24 PM
We should also be notified if our data was shared and have a right to have that data deleted. (If that were even possible.)
For Europe (GDPR): https://support.avast.com/en-eu/article/GDPR-FAQ
Privacy Preference Portal: https://www.avast.com/gdpr
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: schmidthouse on February 01, 2020, 07:45:33 PM
I'm still a bit confused? So they found out that the information sold by Jumpshot (Avast) revealed that they visited a porn site.
I'm sure that there are many that fit that category. It didn't identify the individual. It simply reported someone visited a certain porn site.
What's the big deal? What am I missing.  :o
There's ways the data can actually be analyzed and linked back to a person's real identity, potentially revealing every website the user visited, including the search terms made and other info.

You might want to read by an author that has nothing to do with Avast.
https://sparktoro.com/blog/avasts-shutdown-of-jumpshot-will-harm-the-web-and-the-world/

An interesting attempt by the author, however I don't agree with the Premise.
There are many other opportunities and outlets to collect data besides through Avast.
Data will be and is always collected when using the internet.
Doesn't have to be via Avast
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 01, 2020, 07:50:43 PM
"Data will be and is always collected when using the internet.Doesn't have to be via Avast"
So it's OK if it's collected when using the internet but not when that same information comes via Avast?
I don't think that's what you meant to convey. 
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: schmidthouse on February 01, 2020, 07:57:03 PM
"Data will be and is always collected when using the internet.Doesn't have to be via Avast"
So it's OK if it's collected when using the internet but not when that same information comes via Avast?
I don't think that's what you meant to convey. 

Hi Bob
In my understanding, the author was asserting that the web and the world will be harmed by the shutting down of Jumpshot by parent company Avast.
I don't agree.  :)
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: NotARobot on February 01, 2020, 07:59:32 PM
I'm using the free Mac version 14.3.  Under Preferences --> Privacy I had unchecked all of the options there.

However, every time I reboot my computer the checkbox for "Allow usage data to be shared with 3rd parties for analytics" gets RE-CHECKED!

I'm REALLY tempted to uninstall Avast and find something else, but we don't really know what the other antivirus companies are doing either.  Especially the ones based here in the United States where there are almost no laws they have to follow regarding data collection.  I had hoped that a company based in the EU, and under the GDPR law, would hold itself to and be held to a higher standard, but I saw the article with the supposedly "anonymized" data and agree it could easily be de-anonymized by combining it with data the companies that were buying it already had because it used persistent IDs and timestamps.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 01, 2020, 08:03:40 PM
"Data will be and is always collected when using the internet.Doesn't have to be via Avast"
So it's OK if it's collected when using the internet but not when that same information comes via Avast?
I don't think that's what you meant to convey. 

Hi Bob
In my understanding, the author was asserting that the web and the world will be harmed by the shutting down of Jumpshot by parent company Avast.
I don't agree.  :)
It was because of the data from Avast that Jumpshot was able to shed light on Googles's anti competitive practices.
I'm think that was the reference.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: schmidthouse on February 01, 2020, 08:09:46 PM
"Data will be and is always collected when using the internet.Doesn't have to be via Avast"
So it's OK if it's collected when using the internet but not when that same information comes via Avast?
I don't think that's what you meant to convey. 

Hi Bob
In my understanding, the author was asserting that the web and the world will be harmed by the shutting down of Jumpshot by parent company Avast.
I don't agree.  :)
It was because of the data from Avast that Jumpshot was able to shed light on Googles's anti competitive practices.
I'm think that was the reference.

Yes and I think VLK and Avast have done the 'right thing'
In this day and age doing the right things can come at a cost.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Asyn on February 01, 2020, 08:21:44 PM
I'm using the free Mac version 14.3.  Under Preferences --> Privacy I had unchecked all of the options there.
However, every time I reboot my computer the checkbox for "Allow usage data to be shared with 3rd parties for analytics" gets RE-CHECKED!
-> https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=231125.msg1534173#msg1534173
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Para-Noid on February 01, 2020, 08:28:29 PM
A message from Avast CEO Ondrej Vlcek
https://blog.avast.com/a-message-from-ceo-ondrej-vlcek

This is "closing the barn door after the horse bolted."

From the Vivaldi blog (https://vivaldi.com/blog/how-we-stand-up-to-giants/)...

Quote...

"We believe that businesses should not be allowed to sell personal information to third parties. Companies should also be prohibited from using personal information for targeted advertising. Personal information should only be used to provide the service you signed up for."

Period. Enough said.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: chris.. on February 01, 2020, 08:36:41 PM
I'm still waiting for some proof that I can actually be identified in the information that was collected.

Come on Bob. I've been reading your posts forever and you're clearly a smart guy. If let's say Amazon buys data from av Jumpshot they get info on what a certain Avast ID did on their page at a certain time. For example clicked on an advert for a new iPhone. By cross-reference Amazon can easily see what Avast ID belongs to what IP or even customer that clicked on that advert at the exact same time. That anonymous Avast ID is worthless.

IMHO at the moment this is just a convincing concept, not a proof

Yes , You can turn the problem upside down (all over the web), Bob's right, you won't give proof, otherwise you don't belong here.
You can only get a feeling or an approach to it.
For the approach, we must already believe what some scientists say about the possibilities of using AI, especially with "Machine Learning" algorithms.
As written in the article (https://www.lebigdata.fr/donnees-anonymisees-etude) (in french but there is a US TV vidéo inside)
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Based on the result, more than 99% of Americans could be successfully re-identified from any data set containing at least 15 demographic attributes such as age, gender, or marital status.
Moreover, it's when all of an individual's anonymous data is sold in bulk, we don't know that for Jumpshot.?

I have no idea what the verification tool (https://cpg.doc.ic.ac.uk/individual-risk/) in the article says because you have to be either American or English.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: digmor crusher on February 01, 2020, 09:23:29 PM
Avast is sorry... sorry they got caught. Apologies after the fact are meaningless.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: DavidR on February 01, 2020, 09:36:20 PM
Avast is sorry... sorry they got caught. Apologies after the fact are meaningless.

Would you rather they said nothing, as that is it implication.  Which would probably pi55-off even more people.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Kermit80 on February 02, 2020, 12:03:50 AM
As written in the article (https://www.lebigdata.fr/donnees-anonymisees-etude) (in french but there is a US TV vidéo inside)
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Based on the result, more than 99% of Americans could be successfully re-identified from any data set containing at least 15 demographic attributes such as age, gender, or marital status.
Moreover, it's when all of an individual's anonymous data is sold in bulk, we don't know that for Jumpshot.?

the article refers to anonymous datasets which is different from aggregated data as used by Jumpshot. Aggregated data is more like summary statistics:

https://medium.com/infosum/why-aggregated-data-benefits-everyone-in-a-gdpr-world-476416445b73 (https://medium.com/infosum/why-aggregated-data-benefits-everyone-in-a-gdpr-world-476416445b73)

Moreover, browsing history does not contain demographic data (AFAIK) such as that mentioned in the article. You would need quite a bit of browsing history (not aggregated) just to predict demographic informations.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: digmor crusher on February 02, 2020, 06:15:59 AM
Avast is sorry... sorry they got caught. Apologies after the fact are meaningless.

Would you rather they said nothing, as that is it implication.  Which would probably pi55-off even more people.

They shouldn't have done it in the first place, now they got caught and apologize. Its like me robbing your house, say nothing until the police catch me and then I apologize to you hoping the courts will go easy on me.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Kermit80 on February 02, 2020, 08:37:39 AM
They shouldn't have done it in the first place,

That's right!

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now they got caught and apologize. Its like me robbing your house, say nothing until the police catch me and then I apologize to you hoping the courts will go easy on me.

I don't get this part, sorry. it's just that I may be missing some facts.
The opt-in mechanism was there. I clearly recall being asked for consensus (which I didn't give) when I installed. I don't feel they tried to steal anything from me.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: RejZoR on February 02, 2020, 10:33:56 AM
They shouldn't have done it in the first place,

That's right!

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now they got caught and apologize. Its like me robbing your house, say nothing until the police catch me and then I apologize to you hoping the courts will go easy on me.

I don't get this part, sorry. it's just that I may be missing some facts.
The opt-in mechanism was there. I clearly recall being asked for consensus (which I didn't give) when I installed. I don't feel they tried to steal anything from me.

I remember avast! asking for data sharing when installing it months ago now that I think of it. Hm. Everyone can't say "but you did it without my knowledge" when there was a dialog. Unless there were changes with it along the way as they often change installer content on the fly as it's online type of installer...
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Claudiu7 on February 02, 2020, 10:53:21 AM
This is another reason why people use old version of Avast!

For a short time I used Avast! v7 ; I am somehow sure that in this version Avast! did not implement any "spying" mechanism.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Mike ALA on February 02, 2020, 11:51:40 AM
They shouldn't have done it in the first place,

That's right!

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now they got caught and apologize. Its like me robbing your house, say nothing until the police catch me and then I apologize to you hoping the courts will go easy on me.

I don't get this part, sorry. it's just that I may be missing some facts.
The opt-in mechanism was there. I clearly recall being asked for consensus (which I didn't give) when I installed. I don't feel they tried to steal anything from me.

I remember avast! asking for data sharing when installing it months ago now that I think of it. Hm. Everyone can't say "but you did it without my knowledge" when there was a dialog. Unless there were changes with it along the way as they often change installer content on the fly as it's online type of installer...

In my case the opt in came up and I opted out. When AVAST updated the opt in was checked without my consent. The same goes if you for any reason went from paid to free, it would opt-in without asking. On MAC the opt-out option has not been working since a couple of months back. It's all a very very shady business practice.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 02, 2020, 12:15:46 PM
They shouldn't have done it in the first place,

That's right!

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now they got caught and apologize. Its like me robbing your house, say nothing until the police catch me and then I apologize to you hoping the courts will go easy on me.

I don't get this part, sorry. it's just that I may be missing some facts.
The opt-in mechanism was there. I clearly recall being asked for consensus (which I didn't give) when I installed. I don't feel they tried to steal anything from me.

I remember avast! asking for data sharing when installing it months ago now that I think of it. Hm. Everyone can't say "but you did it without my knowledge" when there was a dialog. Unless there were changes with it along the way as they often change installer content on the fly as it's online type of installer...

In my case the opt in came up and I opted out. When AVAST updated the opt in was checked without my consent. The same goes if you for any reason went from paid to free, it would opt-in without asking. On MAC the opt-out option has not been working since a couple of months back. It's all a very very shady business practice.
Interpretation also has a part in this. It depends on how you look at this. Just like a glass of water can be either half full or half empty it's still
the same glass with the same content the difference is in the interpretation.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bstepec on February 02, 2020, 12:26:05 PM
https://www.monitor.si/novica/avast-prodajal-podatke-o-uporabnikih/195724/
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Asyn on February 02, 2020, 12:33:44 PM
On MAC the opt-out option has not been working since a couple of months back.
-> https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=231125.msg1534173#msg1534173
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: jraju on February 03, 2020, 02:25:36 AM
Hi, Bob is using avast from time immemorial and so , he is alsways supporting.
the catch in his word, that users should have been informed prior is a catchy point.
i also liked the software, as it would popup and say, that a threat has been blocked message when some sites have malicious content.
Sharing of users information will dent the confidence the user has it in for the long time.
that is the sad part of it.
There is nothing has been said about how they will block the usage of the data , as shared by the leaded company
why there has not been anything on that in this forum
How avast is going to block the further usage of the leaked data of the users, without their consent.
If avast keep mum , by just explaining and apologies, this software company would be missed by so many lover of the golden once software .
please keep mum and loose everything
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 03, 2020, 02:42:09 AM
How do you get back the data that's been shared? You can't.
How do you recover the data that's been gathered form all of the breaches of many large companies? You can't.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: jraju on February 03, 2020, 03:31:21 AM
Hi, bob, so avast has lost its credibility totally.
there is no excuse , would be from the users
But i did read some of your post, that you need proof that it was leaked in some threads.
i did not read all the threads ofcourse,
does not your reply above , shows that all has been already lost.
Users use a software believing that it is freely available to them with secured support fromthe software and they give consent when downloading the software.
How could a giant company did not foresee something that is going to erode the confidence and edifice of users approval.
So, sorry to search for alternatives.
Exceelent software company with so much potential updates would not know the leakage thro its own juniorcompany.
Bob, what more you need , all the data would be wtith the other companies as well as the data will be sold to price by the receivers.
the only way is to avoid those companies by all the members of the public, whether they use the data or not.
Could you list the the companies , so that users could totally boycott
receivers are also in a way......do not want to mention
avast     .... lost .. a     vast l      ost  of confidence
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 03, 2020, 12:18:13 PM
@jraju,
I never asked for or requested additional proof that the data collection happend.
It happened. It's a fact and it's very disappointing. I asked for some proof that the data that was shared
could actually be traced back to me.
I also know that because of all the other data breaches and collection from many other major companies,
there really isn't any privacy.
Here's a list of breaches just from 2019, https://www.identityforce.com/blog/2019-data-breaches (https://www.identityforce.com/blog/2019-data-breaches)
Non of this changes the fact that Avast should have made the fact that they are collecting (and selling that data anonymized) clearer.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Thorsten37 on February 04, 2020, 12:08:01 AM
I used avast since i can think... This will be the last days.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: kenny556 on February 04, 2020, 01:12:52 AM
looks like the majority is uninstalling the product... by the threads statistics poll

(https://malwaretips.com/attachments/1580774332873-png.233240/)
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: DavidR on February 04, 2020, 01:44:51 AM
looks like the majority is uninstalling the product... by the threads statistics poll

Based on - Total Members Voted: 48
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 04, 2020, 02:01:02 AM
looks like the majority is uninstalling the product... by the threads statistics poll

Based on - Total Members Voted: 48
There's also no way to tell if those that voted actually used the product.
I'm sure however that this will case a large loos of users and will also be a large financial loss to Avast.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: jraju on February 04, 2020, 01:13:01 PM
Hi, financial loss is not comparable to the users loss.
All the users will be switching to alternatives soon.
As i already said
AVAST        A    VAST LOST OF CONFIDENCE
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 04, 2020, 01:19:21 PM
Hi, financial loss is not comparable to the users loss.
All the users will be switching to alternatives soon.
As i already said
AVAST        A    VAST LOST OF CONFIDENCE
Not all.

Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: sandy55 on February 06, 2020, 11:31:17 PM
I have been away came home yesterday to expired paid avast and renewed .... came to look up something else today and ran into this. 
It saddens me. 
If the money I was paying was not enough for avast to protect my information they should have priced the product higher not gone behind my back to make extra cash selling information.
I have been reading these posts for a very long time today I think I read them all.  One person said avast was like a prostitute .... hmmm guess that would be a prostitute that took a video of the exchange of service for cash and then sold the video. 
maybe or maybe not blurring out the customers face... will he be identified by other things a birth mark car plate number... her big mouth... advertising.  The prostitute would have to make a killing on the sale of the videos of customers as there would be no repeat sales.

I am not savy enough to know if there is or isn't identifiable information sold and I don't do much on the computer anyway no porn sites just chats with family a bit of shopping but mostly health information as we are all getting older and illness is catching those I love. 

Still I don't like and it is not what I thought I was paying for...I am  quite disappointed.

When I was sharing information with avast I thought I was sharing just with them to help make them a better more prosperous company.... in return they do this... and it is not right.
They know it but that is how things are these days everything is for sale... saddened you may think old and out of touch and I may well be. 

A lot of old out of touch people have money and buy things like internet security and a lot of us old out of touch people want more for our money... we want decency I know it is an old fashioned word... and idea yet we still want it.  Keep that in mind avast I am here for another year since I paid it already maybe... I am here for a year I am going to think it over.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: polonus on February 06, 2020, 11:40:26 PM
Hi bob3160,

avast should live up to a policy of conduct (values) of not to
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cause harm or disrupt the service of others
probe or access the service of others
monitor or capture data or traffic
forge data, headers, or traffic
breach or circumvent any system or network security measures
operate or distribute malware
send unsolicited email (SPAM)

As avast is not doing all of the above, we should now finally rest this case,

polonus (volunteer 3rd party cold recon website security analyst and website error-hunter)
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 06, 2020, 11:55:29 PM
I have been away came home yesterday to expired paid avast and renewed .... came to look up something else today and ran into this.  It saddens me.  If the money I was paying was not enough for avast to protect my information they should have priced the product higher not gone behind my back to make extra cash selling information. I have been reading these posts for a very long time today I think I read them all.  One person said avast was like a prostitute .... hmmm guess that would be a prostitute that took a video of the exchange of service for cash and then sold the video.  maybe or maybe not blurring out the customers face... will he be identified by other things a birth mark car plate number... her big mouth... advertising.  The prostitute would have to make a killing on the sale of the videos of customers as there would be no repeat sales. I am not savy enough to know if there is or isn't identifiable information sold and I don't do much on the computer anyway no porn sites just chats with family a bit of shopping but mostly health information as we are all getting older and illness is catching those I love.  Still I don't like and it is not what I thought I was paying for...I am  quite disappointed. When I was sharing information with avast I thought I was sharing just with them to help make them a better more prosperous company.... in return they do this... and it is not right. They know it but that is how things are these days everything is for sale... saddened you may think old and out of touch and I may well be.  A lot of old out of touch people have money and buy things like internet security and a lot of us old out of touch people want more for our money... we want decency I know it is an old fashioned word... and idea yet we still want it.  Keep that in mind avast I am here for another year since I paid it already maybe... I am here for a year I am going to think it over.
Hello Sandy, Avast's practice of selling data even without any identifying information was never a good idea.
Avast has found that out the hard way and I'm sure is paying for that lack in judgement dearly.
We'll never know just how may users they have lost and of those lost users, how many will ever return.
I'm also sure this bad judgement, by those in charge when this practice started, are paying a huge financial price.
The current and fairly new CEO of Avast has already put an end to this practice (https://blog.avast.com/a-message-from-ceo-ondrej-vlcek). That may or may not be something you can accept.


There is something I'd like to point out.
In 2019 alone there have been many data breaches - https://www.identityforce.com/blog/2019-data-breaches (https://www.identityforce.com/blog/2019-data-breaches)

When a breach occurs, the information harvested is usually raw data which means it isn't hidden and all your information is
easily identified. Breaches are something we can't control and usually happens because the company used unsecure practices.
The above is not meant as an excuse, there isn't any, it is meant to point out that there really isn't any way for us to totally
protect our privacy without totally avoiding the internet.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: XdxD on February 07, 2020, 06:55:53 AM
We'll never know just how may users they have lost and of those lost users, how many will ever return.
I came back, but am on 6-months premium trial.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Luukjr on February 07, 2020, 12:13:21 PM
It is clear that Avast has been looking for a revenue model to finance the takeovers of some of its partners.
This has resulted not only in the sale of confidential information, but also in the marketing of products that seem unnecessary to me.
The morality has been sacrificed for the sake of commerce, and that's the last thing you want.
I'll stay with Avast until I've had enough, fortunately we're not married  ;D

Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: RejZoR on February 07, 2020, 09:13:05 PM
It is clear that Avast has been looking for a revenue model to finance the takeovers of some of its partners.
This has resulted not only in the sale of confidential information, but also in the marketing of products that seem unnecessary to me.
The morality has been sacrificed for the sake of commerce, and that's the last thing you want.
I'll stay with Avast until I've had enough, fortunately we're not married  ;D

I never had a single doubt about morality of original avast! team. But when investors are involved, shit always happens because they are NEVER satisfied with any revenue or profits. Company can be making trillions and they'd still not be satisfied. And then they resort to shit like this milking every last possible revenue option. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: jraju on February 08, 2020, 02:50:53 AM
Hi, thanks for your view, but jumpshot said to be a subdiary co of avast.
Then how did you not suspect the major avast is a concern to me.
When you sign with any company, do not avast stipulate conditions for use of data.
Plelase also give a link to how jumpshot, misused our data.
The morality of avast may be seemed to be high, bujt what they leaked to milk and ghee users data is never foregiable in the time to come.
Still they are just keeping mum on the jumpshot matter.
you and i know , that jumpshot has been shut down.
Alll the members staff of avast did a disservice to mankind.
and it is my last word avast   a   vast lost of confidence
i switched to mse
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: sekgrranin on February 11, 2020, 12:10:10 PM
It is clear that Avast has been looking for a revenue model to finance the takeovers of some of its partners.
This has resulted not only in the sale of confidential information, but also in the marketing of products that seem unnecessary to me.
The morality has been sacrificed for the sake of commerce, and that's the last thing you want.
I'll stay with Avast until I've had enough, fortunately we're not married  ;D

I never had a single doubt about morality of original avast! team. But when investors are involved, shit always happens because they are NEVER satisfied with any revenue or profits. Company can be making trillions and they'd still not be satisfied. And then they resort to shit like this milking every last possible revenue option. Unfortunately.
Hello RejZoR
Respect to you
I am a small user of the computer tool (9 years that I am on PC and on the internet randomly).
No notion of security or coding.
However, I like to search for real information on European (French (that I am)) German, Italian, Spanish) and English-speaking (especially American) forums.
I have been using Avast free for free for 9 years.
Never  soucis
The questions I ask myself:
How many users actually pay Avast (so how much in Avast Free) out of the 400,000,000 users (probably less now especially with the advent of Windows 10)
According to my information less of than 10%, none  security system provider works like this.
How many engineers, technicians, developers are there with the Avast company,therefore pay by Avast ???
1700:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avast
https://foundation.avast.com/who-we-are
Now let's see how other IT companies behave.
Do we use Windows 10, Word, Excel; Alphabet for free?
The result is edifying: 40 billion profit for Microsoft.
150,000 employees (constant increase)
And what is Microsoft doing with its telemetry ???
I'm not talking about Facebook (what do they do with our data?)
From Amazon or Alphabet.
https://www.informatiquenews.fr/microsoft-un-ca-en-croissance-de-14-et-benefice-qui-explose-62815
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Pondus on February 11, 2020, 12:35:51 PM
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How many users actually pay Avast (so how much in Avast Free) out of the 400,000,000 users (probably less now especially with the advent of Windows 10)

AV vendors market share (click on vendor for details)  https://metadefender.opswat.com/reports/anti-malware-market-share#!/



Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: sekgrranin on February 11, 2020, 01:00:24 PM
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How many users actually pay Avast (so how much in Avast Free) out of the 400,000,000 users (probably less now especially with the advent of Windows 10)

AV vendors market share (click on vendor for details)  https://metadefender.opswat.com/reports/anti-malware-market-share#!/
Hello Pondus
Thank you
I did not find the number of free users in your link
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 11, 2020, 02:13:58 PM
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How many users actually pay Avast (so how much in Avast Free) out of the 400,000,000 users (probably less now especially with the advent of Windows 10)

AV vendors market share (click on vendor for details)  https://metadefender.opswat.com/reports/anti-malware-market-share#!/ (https://metadefender.opswat.com/reports/anti-malware-market-share#!/)
Hello Pondus
Thank you
I did not find the number of free users in your link
I'm still trying to figure out what it is that you are trying to convey or trying to find out.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: sekgrranin on February 11, 2020, 05:53:13 PM

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that you are trying to convey or trying to find out.
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Hello bob3160
Sorry if I'm not legible.
I will try to explain myself.
I am angry with the detractors of the company Avast
Indeed it is a small computer security company which tries to protect more than 400,000,000 Internet users in the world with its low means (1,700 employees) and in more for free!
Indeed most of the Avast users do not give a $ to use the services of this company.
This society must therefore use legal means to live and prosper.
Yes, I say legal because others, as I have demonstrated in other posts or in my writings above do it but more slyly and more difficult to detect.
I don't care that Avast knows my email address, my geolocation, the sites where I connect, what I buy .... etc ... etc
For 9 years of using Avast, I have never had a phishing mailbox (I have 9), neither had a virus, nor had invasive advertising (I use µBlock O, Privacy Badger, Click Clean and private browsing)
So to answer your question directly, I wonder how many people are paying for Avast services.
According to my research, less than 10% of users.
Personally, I'm in Free.
I point out that I am in no way linked either closely or far with Avast.
I am a 72 year old retired French gentleman who has no connection with Avast but who knows respect and recognition when it needs to be said
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 11, 2020, 06:09:32 PM
I still don't know what you're trying to express that hasn't already been said but hope you now feel better since you got it off your chest.
Have a great day. :)
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: sekgrranin on February 11, 2020, 08:05:57 PM
but hope you now feel better since you got it off your chest.

I'm glad to see that you understand me...
 ;)
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Pondus on February 11, 2020, 09:01:05 PM
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How many users actually pay Avast (so how much in Avast Free) out of the 400,000,000 users (probably less now especially with the advent of Windows 10)

AV vendors market share (click on vendor for details)  https://metadefender.opswat.com/reports/anti-malware-market-share#!/
Hello Pondus
Thank you
I did not find the number of free users in your link
https://metadefender.opswat.com/reports/anti-malware-market-share#!/avast-software-as




Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 11, 2020, 09:10:57 PM
Th following are the latest stats,
https://metadefender.opswat.com/reports/anti-malware-market-share#!/avast-software-as?date=2019-12-30 (https://metadefender.opswat.com/reports/anti-malware-market-share#!/avast-software-as?date=2019-12-30)
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Pondus on February 11, 2020, 09:21:36 PM
See attached screenshot
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Be Free! on February 12, 2020, 06:13:03 AM
I got a new PC recently, and I installed a competitor's antivirus.
I still have my laptop which has avast installed.

I've been using avast for over 7 years, and I guess over that time I've been desensitized to avast's aggressive advertising.
I've received 2 ad-like notifications from the competitor over a span of 5 months, meanwhile, I boot up my laptop and get
3 *strangely in context* notifications aggressively promoting avast pro in the span of 20 minutes while browsing the web.

I don't know if it is against forum rules to name the competitor, but let's just say they get a 98%+ detection ratio.

In terms of avast being knocked out of Editors choice:
Wow that's got to hurt


Considering how new the CEO is, I'm willing to consider using Avast in the future.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Luukjr on February 12, 2020, 06:04:00 PM
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3a8vjk/czech-data-protection-authority-investigation-avast-jumpshot
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: kenny556 on February 12, 2020, 07:09:53 PM
this article puts a smile to my face great job avast.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: loslonccosoficial on February 12, 2020, 07:27:15 PM
thanks for info.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 12, 2020, 07:41:49 PM
From the end of that article,
"In a statement which PCMag shared with Motherboard, Avast said “We are in receipt of the DPA's request and we will diligently work with the DPA in full cooperation. We take concern about our users' privacy very seriously, which is why we voluntarily made changes to our privacy policy in December, and made the decision to close Jumpshot last month. Avast's core mission is to keep its users' data safe online, and any practice that jeopardizes user trust is unacceptable. Protecting user privacy is embedded in everything we do in our business, and as such we remain focused on continuing to innovate our products for the benefit of our users and their privacy.”
Until the findings are published, all posts are simply speculation.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: kenny556 on February 12, 2020, 07:49:49 PM
if they charge avast with anything or fine them that would end it's reputation and put them as low as I0bit. It would be all over national international and local news stations.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: RejZoR on February 12, 2020, 09:42:04 PM
I have a very funny experience recently. Complained to some webpage why blocking of Google junk makes their webpage entirely inoperable and non functional. And the answer was basically that I need to drop that tin foil hat and just accept all the Google fonts, API's and AJAX snippets coz that's the way it's done and I'm the only one complaining. I find it oddly hilarious when people are going bat shit crazy over avast! and Jumpshot where they willingly opted into it but don't have a single problem with Google invading 3/4 of webpages with their garbage that no one really asked for and which gets pulled from their servers on every user interaction, basically pinging user presence every time to Google. And EVERYONE is just fine with it. That's what's really baffling.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: rocksteady on February 13, 2020, 10:58:19 AM
.... That's what's really baffling.
No it is just sad that this has become the defacto norm.
"We are supersheep, resistance is futile!" sums it up.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 13, 2020, 12:21:53 PM
It's still my opinion that all these newcomers were sent her to add salt to the wound.
Nothing unexpected in this new attitude that seems to be sweeping the world.


Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: jraju on February 18, 2020, 12:16:58 PM
Hi, all the bug stops here
Now the thread is in 2 page and soon will be in lost pages
goodbye avast
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: Asyn on February 18, 2020, 12:33:57 PM
Bye.
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: bob3160 on February 18, 2020, 12:37:29 PM
Have a nice day,
Title: Re: Recent news about Avast selling our data
Post by: -Genesis- on February 19, 2020, 12:45:57 PM
Goodbye Avast even i no longer using for a long time.

I stop using it because its getting uglier. And that ads on free to purchase for premium is a no no for me.

Im happy with Windows Defender using it for 3 years straight.