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Title: Program Update !!!
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on January 22, 2004, 03:26:17 AM
New version: 4.1.335

I just want to say that these guys from Alwil Software proved once again that they are most wonderful bunch of people ever !!! And when I say it, I really mean it !

Vlk promised that they will fix that little cosmetic bug I wrote about in one of my recent posts ( Check it out HERE (http://www.avast.com/forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=2258) ). They fixed it !!!

... Stretching Windows problem in avast! Settings is solved ! I'm not sure was the problem in some graphic adapters (like mine) or something else... anyway, those asidous "bees" from Alwil Software fixed it !

A way to go guys !!! I still can't believe that si possible to be surrounded with so diligent people... BEST ANTIVIRUS, BEST SOFTWARE CREW, BEST FORUM, BEST FORUM USERS... What one can possibly want more ?

Thanks again guys !

BTW, Vlk, I sent you those 2 versions of "Matri-X-kin" yesterday. Please use those latest versions (I sent them together in one mail), and erase all old versions of "Matri-X-kin", please.
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: MikeBCda on January 22, 2004, 05:07:53 AM
Just finished getting 4.1.335 myself, thanks crew.

Don't you guys ever allow yourselves to take a break??   ;)
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Tipton on January 22, 2004, 06:33:13 AM
Were any other things fixed in this new build?

Thanks!

Douglas
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Vlk on January 22, 2004, 08:50:56 AM
Tipton, most of the new features are documented on the avast 4 Revision History (http://www.avast.com/i_idt_1023.html) page (as usual).

Vlk
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: gtirr on January 22, 2004, 11:44:40 AM
VLK,
Just curious if the "Slow shutdown" issue has been fixed?
Or is this still being worked on?
So far, that is the only problem I've had with your fine product.
And I've installed it on all 3 of my home machines.
Thanks,
Russ (gtirr)
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Vlk on January 22, 2004, 11:49:30 AM
Not really. We need more info because - believe it or not, it doesn't really occur on our machines (well maybe it does, but it's not noticable).

What I'd need to know is if it helps if you, prior to shutting down, stop one of both of the avast services ("avast antivirus" and "iAVS4 Control Service")

Control Panel -> Administrative Tools -> Services
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: gtirr on January 22, 2004, 12:00:19 PM
Vlk,
WOW!!!!!
Didn't expect that fast of a reply!!
I disabled Avast and shut my system down and it really didn't make any difference. It still took about 45 sec. to shut down.
Russ
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on January 22, 2004, 12:35:39 PM
OK gtirr...
Listen to this... it can be solution to your problem:

As an added security precaution it is possible to clear all data that has been written to the page file so
it cannot be retrieved. The downside to this tweak is that it may substantially increase shutdown time
depending on the amount of data in the page file. Read Microsoft KB Article Q314834 on Clearing Paging File at Shutdown

Do this:

---------------------------------------------------
Go to [Start], then [Run] and type [Regedit] (without parenthesis)
Then find this Registry Key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management

Modify/Create the Value Data Type(s) and Value Name(s) as detailed below.

Data Type: REG_DWORD [Dword Value] // Value Name: ClearPageFileAtShutdown
Setting for Value Data: [0 = Clear Page File Disabled / 1 = Clear Page File Enabled]

Exit Registry and Reboot
---------------------------------------------------

It helped me. My shutdown time decreased to minimum.

Cheers !
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Tipton on January 22, 2004, 04:49:16 PM
I am plagued with the slow shut down as well. Before I installed Avast, it would take about 4 seconds for my system to shut down after the "windows is shutting down" screen displays. With Avas installed, this time increases by at least 25 seconds. I would expect a slight increase with the install of any AV, however this is rather large. Last night when I shut down, I terminated all of the monitoring in the software itself first. It didn't help. I will try turning off the services you suggest next time I shut down.


S.Z. although your registry tweak may work fine, I can't see doing that just so one software product will shut down sooner. I don't have a problem with my shutdown time except when Avast is installed.

Is the pay version of Avast exactly the same as far as the shutdown time goes? I would really like to add the script blocking to my arcenal, but would rather wait on a fix for the slow shut down issue. I will report back after I try shutting down the services before the next shut down.

Tipton


Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: .: Mac :. on January 22, 2004, 04:59:20 PM
sasha my computer now shutsdown normally no more 15 second delay thanks for diging that up
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on January 22, 2004, 05:17:42 PM
MacLover wrote:
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sasha my computer now shutsdown normally no more 15 second delay thanks for diging that up

You're always welcome my friend. I told you guys, this one helps for sure... I'm glad you successfully decreased shutdown time...

BTW, check Skins download section... FINALLY !!! My Matri-X-kin (for Boys and for Girls) is out and ready for you guys !

Tipton wrote:
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S.Z. although your registry tweak may work fine, I can't see doing that just so one software product will shut down sooner. I don't have a problem with my shutdown time except when Avast is installed.

Why not ? Is there any specific reason you want your computer to erase bunch of data every single time you exit Windows ? You can do that manually if you want to do that sometimes (keyword: "sometimes" ...not every single time like Windows does it).
It's not like you're going to mess your Windows up.

Cheers !
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Tipton on January 22, 2004, 05:31:41 PM
Why not ? Is there any specific reason you want your computer to erase bunch of data every single time you exit Windows ? You can do that manually if you want to do that sometimes (keyword: "sometimes" ...not every single time like Windows does it).
It's not like you're going to mess your Windows up.

Cheers !

LOL, Ok I was totally confused when I read your post. I thought you were giving a registry tweak to erase the data written to the page file. Then I started thinking, why would I want to do something to increase the shutdown time?

I get it now, your registry  tweak is to stop the clearing of the page file?


I found this little tid bit!

You can also do this without reg hacking.

Go to Control panel Administartative tools, local security policy. then goto local policies ---> security options. Then change the option for "Shutdown: Clear Virtual Memory Pagefile". WinXpFix.com

 



Douglas
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: mr.morden on January 22, 2004, 09:17:01 PM
Just curious if the "Slow shutdown" issue has been fixed?



i think that it depends what your computer has eaten..

Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on January 22, 2004, 09:24:12 PM
mr.morden... your web site link is broken. Can't see anything...

Cheers !
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: mr.morden on January 22, 2004, 09:38:14 PM
its broken because too many people goes there

my isp server cannot handle too much population,its allready over 1,3k per  
week..1300 visitors i mean..:P

it will be up again,sometime in today in some minute..just keep trying.

pop will rise about 100-200 people per week

try to type to google... teh stoner club

otherwords ..i dont know why my site is down..server is screwing me somehow

it is up usually but its get down for no reason,and im too bored to contact "sonera.fi"
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: gtirr on January 22, 2004, 11:04:22 PM
Tipton,
Your suggestion to go in and change the option for clearing Virtual Memory Pagefile not only did NOT work, it actually increased my shutdown time.
And before I go mucking up my registry, I want to make sure I know what I'm doing and the change is going to work....
gtirr
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Tipton on January 22, 2004, 11:10:48 PM
"Tipton,
Your suggestion to go in and change the option for clearing Virtual Memory Pagefile not only did NOT work, it actually increased my shutdown time.
And before I go mucking up my registry, I want to make sure I know what I'm doing and the change is going to work....
gtirr"

Did you set it to enable, or disable? Mine is set to disable by default.

Tipton  
 
 
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: gtirr on January 22, 2004, 11:44:35 PM
Mine was set to "Disable" by default.
I enabled it as I thought you suggested.
I have since gone back and disabled it.
gtirr
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Tipton on January 22, 2004, 11:47:20 PM
I was just mentioning that you can use my way to disable it, instead of using the registry hack(if its enabled). I never said to enable it, thats defeating the purpose.  Sorry for the confusion!

Tipton
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on January 23, 2004, 12:36:39 AM
Mr. gtirr...

You must understand one thing before you start messing with registry and also, accusing someone who tried to help you. In this case, Tipton was right. Everything he wrote is OK and he found it here:

CLICK ME (http://www.blonnet.com/businessline/ew/2001/09/12/stories/0212b30y.htm)


It looks to me like you have no clue what you really want.

First of all... if you want your computer to shutdown faster, then DISABLE page file clearing, otherwise you can leave it ENABLED, but you'll "pay" with much slower or should I say significantly increased shutdown time... very simple !

Cheers !
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: The Hurricane on January 23, 2004, 12:43:45 AM
Citizen Craftec Thank you for the steps to enable page file cleaning.

Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on January 23, 2004, 01:08:45 AM
Actually, those steps are for disabling clearing of page file. It's really easy to understand... 'cause if Windows clears page file each time you perform shutdown, it takes some time... it depends on how big is your page file... biger file - longer time to clean it - longer period of waiting for Windows to shutdown. If you worry about your security and you want to erase page file every time Windows shutsdown, then leave it enabled, but as I said before, you'll have to wait quite some time for Windows to switch off...

Cheers !
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: The Hurricane on January 23, 2004, 01:14:05 AM
I ment disable  :-[ Sorry Citizen Craftec
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: gtirr on January 23, 2004, 02:03:50 AM
I know exactly what I want!
I want my systems to shut down as fast as they did before I installed Avast.
After reading his suggestion, I went in and changed the setting from "Disabled" to "Enabled."
I had NO clue that it would increase my shutdown time.
I guess the only thing to do is get rid of Avast.
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on January 23, 2004, 02:18:43 AM
gtirr wrote:
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I guess the only thing to do is get rid of Avast.

Believe me, avast! has nothing to do with your slow system shutdown. I found million topics all around the world in all kind of newsgroups, and I saw people reporting very slow and irritating shutdown period of time... no one of them had problems with avast!... Why ? 'cause they don't use avast! In their signatures I noticed some information regarding their system configurations, and also, software they use... some of them are on NOD32, some on Norton, McAfee, Panda...

Hurricane wrote:
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I ment disable   Sorry Citizen Craftec

No need to apologize... we all learn every day and most of our life time. No one knows everything, everybody knows little something... that's like a puzzle. You have to collect all pieces to have big picture at the end. Forums like this one are the gratest places for getting that picture... right Hurricane ? And... please, don't punch me !  ;D (nice pictures on your web site... very dynamic life)
Regards !
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: gtirr on January 23, 2004, 02:25:55 AM
Avast has everything to do with my slow shutdown.
When I remove it, my system will shut down in less than 10 seconds!.
This is why I dumped it in the first place a few months ago.
I was told that this was a known problem and the new version had corrected this.
Apparently not.
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Tipton on January 23, 2004, 02:43:15 AM
Gtirr does have a good point. Avast does create an increase in the time it takes for system shut down. I am very picky with my PC, matter of fact I always build my own. I am very paticular as to what software goes on my system, and I always do the necessary tweaks to keep things streamlined. Installing Avast increases the shutdown time on my system by at least 20 seconds. If I ghost back to before I installed Avast, I am back to a very quick shutdown time that I expect from the hard work I invested in my configuration.

I really like Avast, and find it one of the best AV's available, and I have tried many, but for some people who are really into keeping their system fast and streamlined, the slow shut down can be more than annoying.

Tipton
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on January 23, 2004, 02:46:08 AM
gtirr wrote:
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Avast has everything to do with my slow shutdown.
When I remove it, my system will shut down in less than 10 seconds!.
This is why I dumped it in the first place a few months ago.
I was told that this was a known problem and the new version had corrected this.
Apparently not.

Ok, ok... calm down dude... there is no need to pull your hair out. You must ask somebody from Alwil software what would be right solution for your problem. I'm just forum regular and skin designer...

I don't have problem with shutdown time at all... My PC shutsdown in about 5 seconds with avast! installed. I don't understand why your system needs 10 seconds without avast!

You better check everything before you jump to conclusions... firewall, other security software. If you are 150% sure that avast! is your main problem, and you don't have patience to wait for fixed version... well, this is free world, everyone can do whatever he wants...

Common, somebody from Alwil Software ? Oh, I know... they all are sleeping right now. It's middle of the night in Czech Republic... have a nice sleep guys, but tomorrow better be ready to give some answers to these guys... i really don't have problem with avast! and shutdown issue... I guess I'm just lucky.  :)

Cheers !
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: MikeBCda on January 23, 2004, 03:25:01 AM
I still haven't figured out any pattern (or lack of) in shutdown problems, pardon my ignorance.

My fairly new XP-home system seems slow as molasses shutting down compared to my old 98SE (with a much slower processor on that old one), roughly half a minute -- but I didn't notice any particular increase in that after I put in avast.

I'm guessing that a fair bit of that on my system is the system-restore updating itself before shutting down, and also Restore-IT (a 3rd-party equivalent of the restore) doing the same.

So it probably depends a great deal on what's on your system -- if shutdown was fairly quick before avast, it'll probably seem a lot slower now in proportion, but a previously slow shutdown won't seem to have changed much if at all.
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Tipton on January 23, 2004, 03:47:10 AM
Its definately the Avast AV that causes the increase in shutdown. In the past week, I have demo'd alot of AV's, and none of them created the slow shut down. I had Norton for two years, and as bloated as their software is, it never caused an increase in shutdown time. The developers of Avast don't seem to see any increase in shutdown time on their end. That will make it next to impossible to create a fix I would think.

Tipton
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Tipton on January 23, 2004, 03:50:36 AM
I still haven't figured out any pattern (or lack of) in shutdown problems, pardon my ignorance.

My fairly new XP-home system seems slow as molasses shutting down compared to my old 98SE (with a much slower processor on that old one), roughly half a minute -- but I didn't notice any particular increase in that after I put in avast.


You need to remember the XP operating system is alot more complex that win 98. Xp has a load of services that are running, and need to be shut down. Plust as you mention, systen restore writes to your hard drive occasionally. I personally have system restore disabled, because I use imaging software for any restores I do.

Tipton
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: Vlk on January 23, 2004, 08:24:39 AM
Instead of arguing please let's focus on solving the problem.

Please join the 'technical' thread http://www.avast.com/forum/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=2344
Title: Re:Program Update !!!
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on January 23, 2004, 11:56:05 AM
Why... why we can't continue this thread... anyway, in that thread ( CLICK HERE (http://www.avast.com/forum/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=2344) ), there is nothing more said than we said in this one...

Vlk wrote:
Quote
"does it help if you stop the 'avast antivirus' service right before shutting down the puter?"

Tipton wrote:
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I will have to give this a try when I get back to my PC. Problem is, it will take more time to shut down the service each time, than it will to just shut down and let it take awhile.
Douglas

I mean, common Tipton... Vlk said that because one reason only - to collect more information to be able to find a core of the problem, so finally they can solve it. He doesn't want you to stop the services each time you exit windows... that would be really sluggish, and IMHO, I don't think Vlk would try to solve problem that way EVER. Those guys are very good friends, very good programmers and what's most important - very good listeners. They fixed every single thing I mentioned to them, sometimes it takes time, but we must understand they also have some other duties regarding this wonderful software.

Calm down everybody, every problem takes time... I'm sure this one we'll be solved soon... Just try to remember what problems you've had because of Norton while you were using it... it's worth of waiting for Alwil to correct this one...

Cheers !