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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: bob3160 on September 17, 2006, 02:13:54 PM
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Is Apple, through its policy of not selling it's operating system,
promoting or endorsing piracy?
We know that dual booting from an Intel® Core™ Duo processor
between a Microsoft Windows XP and an Apple OSX operating system is possible.
If you purchase a computer from Apple, with OSX installed as its native operating system,
Apple has software available (bootcamp) to make dual booting between OSX and XP possible.
If however you own the same Intel® Core™ Duo processor which has Mirosoft's Windows XP operating system
installed as it's native operating system, the only way to achieve dual boot capability between
Mac OSX10 and Windows XP is through a pirated and patched OSX10 install DVD.
Remember, none of this is theory, it is fact.
Wake up Apple! Make the money while the market is ripe.
Please don't wait till the market is flooded with pirated, altered and possible infected technology.
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Yeah i even noticed some people are running pirated OSX on AMD processors. So much for "incompatibility" ...
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I suppose if they hack the check for the TMP chip (not sure if TMP is correct but the chip OSX looks for to find an apple system), then in theory if you remove that check it should install (or hack it to return True). Or is that to simplistic.
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I think the processor must support SSE3 extensions to run OS X and it has to be x86 architecture so it should run fine on AMD 64.
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Correct SSE3 is required because of Core Audio, Core Video, Core image etc.
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david its a TPM chip
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Thanks Mac.
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Holy Crap, is it your Hobby to find all the anti-apple stuff you can?} >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
No Mac it is not.
You are missing the point. You can't stop progress and you can't change fact.
The technology is out there and Apple can either cash in on it or, insist on just selling their hardware.
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I have said this over and over. APPLE WILL NOT SELL OS X FOR THE PC!
What does dell make their money off of? Hardware.
What does Apple make their money off of? Hardware!
Yes they could open up OS X but the only ones that would buy it would be Home users, large enterprise customers ould still buy windows because they already have thousands of dollars, euros, pounds etc invested in software for Windows
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In other words Bob they are afraid that if they start selling OS X nobody would buy mac's anymore. At least that's how it looks to me.
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Mac you're right.
As long as Apple has and maintains the same attitude as you, they will never sell their operating system.
They will also never grow to be as big as their true potential.
When a company lives in a cocoon, it is sometimes hard to break out of it and realize that there are
many ways to make money and grow.
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I think Bob's point is a good one.
The typical home user has to make a choice between a Windows and Apple based system. More often than not Windows is the choice made in my experience. So if Apple will not reap a sale of any kind in this situation (hardware or otherwise), the chance to make a few dollars off the sale of just the OS is logical.
Sure, selling the hardware too is preferable from a corporate point of view, but selling something is preferbale to selling nothing, isn't it?
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Sure, selling the hardware too is preferable from a corporate point of view, but selling something is preferbale to selling nothing, isn't it?
Exactly! ;)
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.:Mac:. isn't the one to make the decision to make Apple's software for pc's. If he agrees with you will OSX be available for pc use?
If Apple does make their os available for pc use they will still sell computers as well as their os. All the reviews I have read on computers have Apples on top and Apples support also comes out on top for best costomer support. Apple has about 3% of the market & I think more than 3% want top of the line computers, so I think their computers sales might increase if Mac & Windows os could be as easy to install on all computers. Maybe that is why Apple came out with boot camp to run windows on Macs? Apple just needs to go to the next step...no hindrances to using their os on pc & no need for boot camp for Windows to run on Macs.
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Let's be totally realistic.
Most people will purchase one computer. They'll buy the one the they can afford.
At this point, 97% choose one that comes with windows pre-installed. (it's much cheaper)
If they've chooses a computer where their processor is a dual-core processor, they should be able to add
OSX and/or Linux or any other operating system to that computer.
They should not have to purchase another computer just to use a different operating system.
Especially since the technology to do this already available.
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.:Mac:. isn't the one to make the decision to make Apple's software for pc's. If he agrees with you will OSX be available for pc use?
If Apple does make their os available for pc use they will still sell computers as well as their os. All the reviews I have read on computers have Apples on top and Apples support also comes out on top for best costomer support. Apple has about 3% of the market & I think more than 3% want top of the line computers, so I think their computers sales might increase if Mac & Windows os could be as easy to install on all computers. Maybe that is why Apple came out with boot camp to run windows on Macs? Apple just needs to go to the next step...no hindrances to using their os on pc & no need for boot camp for Windows to run on Macs.
Right I dont make the choice I just repair the machines when they break. I actually agree that apple should sell the OS but my opinion means nothing unless im on the apple board of directors which clearly I am not
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Hi,
Even if they did release OS X for PC, and their hardware sales did drop, they would still make money off of iTunes and iPod sales, plus their software for the OS X operating system.
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Yea but thats bad! i would loose my job :'( i work on Macs not iPods
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Mac,
This will increase business not decrease it.
When computers first came out, all of my co-worker got scared.
"They will take our jobs away. They will not need people any more."
That's all you heard. Computers are here. I never lost my job, I just increased my knowledge and skill
and made more money than ever before.
Progress and change is something to look forward to. It isn't something to be afraid of. :)
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I guess I could get a job at dell :o
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I don't think their offices/workshops are as nice as that Glass, Apple store you posted some time ago.
No Dell retail outlets everything is bought direct Telephone/Internet and either return to base or Home support options ;D
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Mac
I'm not trying to put you or any one else out of business.
I'm trying to increase Apple's business. :)
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I thought that Apple's motto is: THINK DIFFERENT !
Well, I strongly believe this is the right time to think different.
And Kyle... why are you worried so much dude ? Such a good technician as yourself will never ever stay without a job. Selling OSX to PC users doesn't mean Apple is going down, it just means, Apple's market will even grow. Many Apple users will never ever switch to PC no matter what happens, but this would help a lot of people to check some other possibilities out there. I am sure this would just help Apple make even more money.
I believe that all this OSX to PC story is already so deep that's practically impossible to stop it at this point. It even runs faster on PCs than on Apple architecture. Take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvlvWL3B6qM (PC booting to OSX86 faster than OSX on a Mac)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2tAhXHPfBs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncLovswd6aE (I actually tried it on my laptop and it works flawlessly)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SpV0uHylN8&mode=related&search= (OSX86 10.4.6 on my machine again)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziKIq6Eulw0&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5c6G1H4dE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnUW88-aTSA
And who said just Intel is capable of running OSX ? Well, he is wrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YWAP-zPMcE&mode=related&search=
Few OSX86 resources:
http://www.osx86project.org
http://www.nedprod.com/Niall_stuff/MacOS%20X/index.html
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sasha, I have no idea how OSX runs faster on PCs
intel Mac components:
Motherboard - Intel
Chipset - Intel
Processor - Intel
RAM - Samsung/Micron/hynnix
HD- Segate/Maxtor
Optical drive- Pioneer
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Have no clue Kyle, but it's been reported many times. And there are few good videos on YouTube showing the same. I also compared my OSX86 installation with my friends who brought his PowerBook. It really boots quite faster than on his machine. I am talking about my Intel Pentium 4 HyperThreading Technology Laptop. Haven't tried anything with my desktop which is AMD Athlon XP 3000+
EDIT: Kyle do not think that we are trying to put Apple down with these comments... we are just trying to get freedom of choice. I personally would really like to see OSX for PC machines. That would allow many people to finally decide which way to go...
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I also compared my OSX86 installation with my friends who brought his PowerBook.
PowerBook = PowerPC processor
Compare it to an intel machine
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Hi Kyle!
Have no clue because I don't know anyone around that have MacBook or MacBook Pro, so I can not test them the way I would like to. All I know for now is that OSX runs perfectly smooth on my machine and it is unbelievable fast. Even all those bells and whistles (animated effects etc.). It also boots very fast. I'm just thinking, if you can get all those effects running at even higher speeds than I am able to get them here on my machine, how would that look like... like a fast forwarded movie or something. Not much gain...
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it boots much faster and performs much better on intel than on PowerPC so I would say an intel mac would be close to your PC's speed or better (it should be with the Core Duo)