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Title: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: kubecj on October 13, 2006, 05:02:57 PM
Hello,

it was decided that the PMs will be completely disabled.

Currently I disabled the sending, in a week or two I will also disable reading, so please backup important messages you've got there somehow, since they'll be otherwise inaccesible.

Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Lisandro on October 13, 2006, 05:24:35 PM
Kubecj, with all respect to your decision. But I think this is a radical option and there will be other options to do so.
IM is a good instrument for the forum. I hope this won't have an even worse impact than closing the Off Topic forum.
Again, my opinion only. I think a little of cold water won't be bad before taking this decision.
That seems to be precisely the intention of the spammer and the others that put on Alwil the responsability of it: damage avast image, damage avast forum image.
Please, reconsider.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: XMAS on October 13, 2006, 05:25:47 PM
Hello kubecj,

Can I ask whats the reason for this decision? I know for the last spam PMs, but I don't think that this is a reason for completely disabling the PMs. (this is only my opinion) I mean, the PMs are really useful feature and I am pretty sure that the others will think the same way.

Isn't the restriction for 20 posts enough?   :-\

EDIT Tech was faster than me  :)

Please, reconsider.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Vlk on October 13, 2006, 05:30:32 PM
A decent spammer can generate 20 (or 2,000 you name it) posts in no time.

This is a temporary solution before the situation calms down. You only see the tip of the iceberg - but our support department is swamped with angry people who got offended by the spam and this is the decision that was made by our CEO.

Hopefully, in a week or so, we find an alternative (but still reliable) solution to the problem and will be able to re-enable PM's.


This is very frustrating for all - but it's simply unacceptable to risk another spam attack now.

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: markofkane on October 13, 2006, 05:31:04 PM
My opinion:

Those who want to disable PM's can, with the * in their blocked senders list. No more PM's.

However, those that are willing to put up with the spam to continue using the PM function should be able to.

Just my opinion. The decision, is of course left up to the adminstrator.  ;)

Thanks for this forum. ;D
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: CharleyO on October 13, 2006, 05:35:26 PM
***

Thanks for taking the steps needed to stop such spam on the forum. It is unfortunate that PMs will have to be disabled and I hope all others here will understand why this is necessary.    :'(

Before PMs were disabled, someone sent me one asking why all this spam. Of course, I really do not know. But, there could be many reasons and among those ... a grudge against awil, an attempt at forcing a forum program update, a general attempt to make others suffer, just plain old stupidity, etc.    >:(

I am glad to say that most members of this forum are very good people. This forum is one of the very few I have always be proud of being a small part.    :D


***
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Lisandro on October 13, 2006, 05:41:54 PM
This is a temporary solution before the situation calms down. You only see the tip of the iceberg - but our support department is swamped with angry people who got offended by the spam and this is the decision that was made by our CEO.
Ok. We respect it.

Hopefully, in a week or so, we find an alternative (but still reliable) solution to the problem and will be able to re-enable PM's.
This is very frustrating for all - but it's simply unacceptable to risk another spam attack now.
Thanks  ;)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: XMAS on October 13, 2006, 05:45:47 PM
A decent spammer can generate 20 (or 2,000 you name it) posts in no time.

This is a temporary solution before the situation calms down. You only see the tip of the iceberg - but our support department is swamped with angry people who got offended by the spam and this is the decision that was made by our CEO.

Hopefully, in a week or so, we find an alternative (but still reliable) solution to the problem and will be able to re-enable PM's.


This is very frustrating for all - but it's simply unacceptable to risk another spam attack now.

Thanks
Vlk
OK, thanks for the answer Vlk. Hopefully you'll find a solution soon  :-\
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: justin1278 on October 13, 2006, 06:29:13 PM
In my opinion disabling PM's is not needed to stop the spam, make rules when sending PM's such as each user can only send 1 PM every 90 seconds. This will slow down the spam bots a lot. There is no need to disable PM's completely, but this is just my opinion.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: mauserme on October 13, 2006, 06:33:11 PM
Currently I disabled the sending, in a week or two I will also disable reading ...

Hopefully, in a week or so, we find an alternative ...

I'm confused.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Dinah on October 13, 2006, 07:12:59 PM
This is a temporary solution before the situation calms down. You only see the tip of the iceberg - but our support department is swamped with angry people who got offended by the spam and this is the decision that was made by our CEO.
*Glancing at the number of posts about the same topic,* there are tons of tips of iceberg in this forum enough for inducing the current status of Alwil...  :P

I am a new comer, who are rarely affected from the decision but old members have already warned about the situation in a thread (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?&topic=23989.0).  Hopefully, the moderators will make up to the rather slow move at the stat of this confusion.  ;)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Vlk on October 13, 2006, 07:13:44 PM
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In my opinion disabling PM's is not needed to stop the spam, make rules when sending PM's such as each user can only send 1 PM every 90 seconds.


We're open to any (realistic) suggestions. But they must be realistic - meaning that the forum software (SMF) has to support them. Are you sure something like this is supported?

Quote
I'm confused.


So are we. Sorry :-\


We're thinking of disabling the "email" part of IM's by default (i.e. this would be opt-in rather than opt-out). This should make the feature unattractive enough for most spammers.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: bob3160 on October 13, 2006, 07:35:26 PM
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We're thinking of disabling the "email" part of IM's by default (i.e. this would be opt-in rather than opt-out). This should make the feature unattractive enough for most spammers.
Vlk,
Is this to be done in lieu of disabling PM's?
If that's the case, that would be a great solution since the fact that there is a message waiting is always displayed
each time you visit the forum.
What still disturbs me is the fact that someone who isn't part of management was able to get  to the members email addresses.
That's the part of this whole intrusion that needs to be remedied. If it happened once, it's going to happen again.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: DavidR on October 13, 2006, 07:48:20 PM
I don't know if the attraction is the fact that PM posts will be notified by email or the fact that they have been able to hit so many PMs in a short period of time.

Yes the no email by default would be a good option unless you opt-in, allied with the No PMs for users with less than X posts llama/newbie, etc. and the double step registration before they can become a member. With these three restrictions PMs would still be workable for members but unattractive to spammers.

The two step registration and guests only having read only access, should also limit the drive by forum posting that we have also seen recently.

I don't know if IPs can/should also be recorded at registration as a form of deterrent.

PMs are an important function and I would hate to see them disappear or become unworkable. Many have now chosen to hide their email address in their profile settings (quite rightly), to avoid harvesting by bots scanning the publicly available forum pages, so with no email address you are forced to use PMs.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: igor on October 13, 2006, 08:01:49 PM
What still disturbs me is the fact that someone who isn't part of management was able to get  to the members email addresses.

Well, what does it mean "to get to the members e-mail"? They didn't learn these e-mails, of course. But if your settings say that the forum should send you the notifications about received PMs, you'll get the message, yes.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: bob3160 on October 13, 2006, 08:28:16 PM
What still disturbs me is the fact that someone who isn't part of management was able to get  to the members email addresses.

Well, what does it mean "to get to the members e-mail"? They didn't learn these e-mails, of course. But if your settings say that the forum should send you the notifications about received PMs, you'll get the message, yes.

In that case, nothing was compromised. I don't open garbage mail or PM's the only place I saw the XXX picture was in the forum itself and that was
because a member posted it in a thread on the forum. Not the spammer.
That was annoying to me. The PM's are easily deleted and to me, this isn't a reason to stop the PM function.
PM's are a selected function so unless you elect to receive them, they should be blocked.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: justin1278 on October 13, 2006, 08:33:29 PM
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In my opinion disabling PM's is not needed to stop the spam, make rules when sending PM's such as each user can only send 1 PM every 90 seconds.

We're open to any (realistic) suggestions. But they must be realistic - meaning that the forum software (SMF) has to support them. Are you sure something like this is supported?

Hi VLK,

The Comodo Forums use SMF 1.1 RC3 and the Admins made a rule (due to spammers) that each member can send 1 PM every 90 seconds, I am only a moderator there so I couldn't tell you the steps to enable this option. Also since you are using an older version of SMF (not RC3 of the latest) this feature may not be available yet. However you may wish to check into it. And in all honesty I don't really think that any real member here would need to send more then 1 PM every 90 seconds. Also it doesn't have to be 90 seconds it can be as long or short as you wish, although I think that 90 seconds is a good time. Like I said I am not sure how to set it on the SMF forums because I am only a Mod at the comodo forums, but that feature is available in the latest 1.1 RC3 if it is not available in the version that the avast! forums use.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Vlk on October 13, 2006, 09:01:57 PM
We have been waiting for SMF 1.1 for a very long time. The problem is, RC2 was released on December 2005, and now there's only RC3. I mean, how long is it going to take to get to the final version?

For obvious reasons, we don't want to use pre-release (beta or RC) version of the forum in "production" environment.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: MikeBCda on October 13, 2006, 10:39:49 PM
I'm a mod at two Yahoo groups which are medical-support (one for head-injury survivors like myself, the other for psoriasis) in nature.  Medical-related groups in particular are prime targets for spammers because of the opportunity to offer "cures".

Obviously the mechanics of a mailing-list group are different from the boards here.  But we've come up with what seem to be workable solutions for us.

The psoriasis group was often the victim of new "members" who obviously joined for the sole purpose of spamming.  The list-owner finally decided that ALL new members go onto moderated status (i.e., postings must be approved by him or a mod) until they've done some legit posts, which is essentially what's being proposed for the PM's here.

We play it even tougher in the head injury group.  Membership is restricted (not just hit the "Join" button), and we want a brief intro letter describing the nature of the applicant's injury and problems and work-arounds before we'll approve membership.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: bob3160 on October 13, 2006, 11:27:55 PM
I think that a simple warning to the member who decides to accept PM's that doing so could result in possible SPAM, should be sufficient.
As long as the spam is kept out of the actual forum. Acceptance of PM's or NO PM's  should be left up to the individual members. IMHO
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: al968 on October 13, 2006, 11:42:16 PM
One of the options to stop the spaming of PM's would be to have kind of am image that disaplays random characters and then the user has to write them manualy that way it will block the spammers from creating bots that work with with system. This verification should be used when opening an account as well as when writting personal messages.

Hope you consider this

Al968

P.S: I don't know if thats available with the forum software.

Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: al968 on October 13, 2006, 11:51:46 PM
One of the options to stop the spaming of PM's would be to have kind of am image that disaplays random characters and then the user has to write them manualy that way it will block the spammers from creating bots that work with with system. This verification should be used when opening an account as well as when writting personal messages.

Hope you consider this

Al968

P.S: I don't know if thats available with the forum software.

Here are some links related to the topic:

http://www.phpbb-security.com/
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=102714.0
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: justin1278 on October 14, 2006, 02:10:50 AM
We have been waiting for SMF 1.1 for a very long time. The problem is, RC2 was released on December 2005, and now there's only RC3. I mean, how long is it going to take to get to the final version?

For obvious reasons, we don't want to use pre-release (beta or RC) version of the forum in "production" environment.

Hi,

In that case what is the latest stable version you are using? The current stable version is 1.08 is that the version that avast! is using?
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: szc on October 14, 2006, 05:51:25 AM
Even though forum admin and I had some issues in the past, I think that this step taken by Alwil is necessary and overall it is a great decision. Thinking that limiting to 20 posts in forum before you can send PM to someone will stop these SPAMMING idiots is plain waste of time. As Vlk already mentione, they can make hundreds if not thousands posts literally in no minutes if they want... just take a look at what they did in this forum through PM system. Something must be changed from the scratch if we want to stop them. If that requires changing the forum engine to some more secure one, then why not going that way ? Of course if there is one that's more secure at the moment, with maybe some better security features...

One thing that I don't understand... how come that admins or moderators can't see who is sending these messages by origin IP address ? Isn't there any way of tracing them whoever they are... I mean, there must be some way to find out who is doing this... for God's sake, this is a security related forum.

In my humble opinion, this is an act of some competitor AV product fanboy. They knew exactly what they are doing and how to do it. People, just take a look how those posts they posted later in forum look like... "...oh this is shitty forum, that means this AV is nothing but garbage..." All similar posts were posted by some person who just signed in forums under many different names, posted one or maybe 2 or 3 posts and then started to s**t about this forum and this antivirus... It is obvious that someone did that just to badmouth thisproduct and to make it look ugly in people's eyes.

There must be something to find out who did it... let's show them that this is a serious product and people behind it are some serious people who know their business better than anyone else.

Regards
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: mauserme on October 14, 2006, 07:53:28 AM
The idea that this problem must be solved today or this week, in a 100% infallable way would be great if it was a realistic goal. But its not realistic and shutting off the PMs because this can't be attained doesn't make sense to me.

Take the interim steps suggested by DavidR along with the "possible spam" warning suggested by Bob, but continue to work on a better, more secure solution.

The all-or-nothing approach can only work against a strong, thriving forum.  Let the solution evolve.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: roro on October 14, 2006, 08:43:15 AM
I know a lot of people were upset with the PM messages contents.  I didn't see it as I didn't open the mail and don't open any mail that I don't recognize.  If you get a PM that looks fishy even if it is from this forum, you should go to the forum to check it out before opening.

Is it possible to have a vote on the number of members who wish PM's to be disabled for good?

As for me, I make my choices.  If I don't want to take the chance, I can disable the send notification of PMs feature.  It would be a shame to disable a feature for all, that many of the forum members use to good advantage.

I still miss the Off Topic forum myself and wish it would be reinstated.

Ro Ro  8) 8)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Tarq57 on October 14, 2006, 09:58:35 AM
I'm quite new here, too, but tend to agree with the majority of the other posters. Nobody has to receive pm's, nobody has to open them. I did, and can definitely see why a lot of people were offended.But to bleat stridently to the admins about it? I respect the decision taken, but think that to disable pm's is a bit overkill. Like banning live coverage of the superbowl because of a "wardrobe malfunction".
Long term, I hope a technical solution such as mentioned by al968 5 posts back could be used. Also would like to see the spammers prosecuted or otherwise somehow penalised, if such a thing is legally and technically realistic.
We live in the age of junkmail. It's unpleasant, and annoying,and sometimes offensive, but...get over it. Site security wasn't compromised, and that's the main thing.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: markofkane on October 14, 2006, 10:39:29 AM
It's funny. The porn spam in my email is what brought me back here. My Avast has been working fine, but sometimes get the "AAVM - initialization error: AavmStart: avworkInitialize failed, 0000A438"  and that is fixed by repairing Avast.

I was p'd off when I found out the email was a PM from a spammer, the first time, it was AnnT, I think, and reported it to a admin, because it was a spammer posing as an admin.
Then the ones you guys mentioned. So I got really p'd off.

Then I found a way to block PM's. I tried to send a pm to myself, and the * filter worked. (This was before pm's were disabled globally)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Dinah on October 14, 2006, 11:26:54 AM
One of the options to stop the spaming of PM's would be to have kind of am image that disaplays random characters and then the user has to write them manualy that way it will block the spammers from creating bots that work with with system. This verification should be used when opening an account as well as when writting personal messages.

This seems to be quite popular anti-spam function since I see every single service with account has this process except these fora.

Also, although I cannot remember the name, I found a forum which I signed in had an opt-out email notification option for PMs except from administrators, which is opt-in.  There was an opt-out option of totally disabling PM function itself, too.

As some people have already mentioned, it is nice to give users choice rather than restricting.  Here, I am not criticizing the temporary decision but talking of possible flexibility, which can make the whole experience constructive.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Dwarden on October 14, 2006, 03:28:26 PM
realistic options to keep PM on forums ?

simple:

- limit PM to users older than month (exception are PMs to admin/moderators)
- limit PM to users with more than 25-50 posts (exception are PMs to admin/moderators)
- add Captcha to new user registration dialog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha
- add Captcha for PM dialog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha
- disable "e-mail" notifications for PM and replies by default (force user to OPT-in manually)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: al968 on October 14, 2006, 04:30:38 PM
Yeah that sound good  :)
But the first two should be less demanding.
Like that idea of catcha  ;D

Al968
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Dinah on October 14, 2006, 04:39:00 PM
They might be able to combine them.  For example, adding "Captcha" to PM dialog for "new users", judged by a certain rules such as
- limit PM to users older than month (exception are PMs to admin/moderators)
- limit PM to users with more than 25-50 posts (exception are PMs to admin/moderators)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: bob3160 on October 14, 2006, 05:37:10 PM
Unfortunately we can make all the suggestions in the world but,
unless Alwil acts upon it, nothing will change.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: kubecj on October 14, 2006, 07:50:48 PM
The IPs the spammer's were using were the dynamic IPs from AOL. In fact unblockable, it's just all  AOL users or none.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: bob3160 on October 14, 2006, 08:30:21 PM
The IPs the spammer's were using were the dynamic IPs from AOL. In fact unblockable, it's just all  AOL users or none.
Another reason why it's called AOhelL   ;D
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: JediMasterCK on October 14, 2006, 09:14:23 PM
The IPs the spammer's were using were the dynamic IPs from AOL. In fact unblockable, it's just all  AOL users or none.

It's not about blocking an IP - it's about using the latest version of the the forum software and configuring it properly...

Oh, and while I'm teaching you how to admin a forum, I suggest using the "Recount" function because I can't be the only person with "-1 messages"

Good Luck...
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: igor on October 14, 2006, 09:23:05 PM
Yesterday, you said "No posts from me on that matter". How about sticking to that, please?
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: JediMasterCK on October 14, 2006, 09:29:22 PM
Yesterday, you said "No posts from me on that matter". How about sticking to that, please?


I also asked for my account to be deleted...
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: kubecj on October 14, 2006, 10:16:23 PM
Plonk.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: CharleyO on October 15, 2006, 12:48:03 AM
***

Man, some just never learn.    ::)


***
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: Negeltu on October 15, 2006, 02:51:52 AM
kubecj,

I don't often comment on forums because people tend to jump to conclusions and take the worst meaning of things...but I just want to say that I think you do a wonderful job.  I know you don't need me to say that, but there it is.  It's easy for people on the outside to criticize when they are not on your side of the fence.  Just know that there are quite a few of us that appreciate the effort you guys and gals put forth.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: MikeBCda on October 15, 2006, 08:18:51 PM
I got just one of those PM's yesterday, no email (have email notification turned off), and you know what the funniest part of all this was?

Because of the opening wording of the PM, it looked like it really was from an admin, warning that such spam was making the rounds here.
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: polonus on October 15, 2006, 09:37:37 PM
Hi malware fighters,

How come today that this was the top ranking find when googling for the search term "avast webforum", and how come?
http://www.computing.net/security/wwwboard/forum/19674.html

How long is this going to harass us?

polonus
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: neal63 on October 15, 2006, 10:32:01 PM
Hi Polonus,

Hard to say how long it will harass Alwil. Some folks have a memory like an Elephant. So hopefully not long.  :)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: bob3160 on October 16, 2006, 12:33:10 AM
Hi Polonus,

Hard to say how long it will harass Alwil. Some folks have a memory like an Elephant. So hopefully not long.  :)

This actually had nothing to do with either Alwil or avast!

Spam happens in the best of places. We are actually having Spam Caserole for supper tonight.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: mauserme on October 16, 2006, 12:56:22 AM
Spam happens in the best of places. We are actually having Spam Caserole for supper tonight. ;D ;D

lthtt (lauging to hard to type)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: drhayden1 on October 16, 2006, 01:11:56 AM
SPAM- CASSEROLE   

1 can Spam, ground
1/2 c. bread crumbs
1 tbsp. cooking oil
1/2 c. chopped onion
1/4 c. chopped celery
3/4 c. ketchup
1 tbsp. sugar
2 tbsp. Worcestershire sauce
1/2 tsp. chili powder
1 lg. can lima beans, drained
3/4 c. water

Combine ground Spam and bread crumbs. Form into small meatballs; brown a few at a time in hot oil in skillet. Remove from skillet; set aside. Add onion and celery to skillet; saute until tender (do not brown). Stir in ketchup, sugar, Worcestershire sauce, chili powder, lima beans and water. Bring to a boil.
Combine bean mixture and meatballs. Turn into greased 2 quart casserole. Bake at 350 degrees, 45 minutes or until hot and bubbly. Makes 6 servings.

++++What's For Dessert Bob 8)++++
 
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: bob3160 on October 16, 2006, 01:26:14 AM
That's not our recipe.. ;D
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: drhayden1 on October 16, 2006, 01:27:53 AM
What Is It THEN????? :o ???

SPAM AND BEANS   

1 lg. can Spam
1 lg. can pork and beans
8 oz. Cheddar cheese (grated)
1 med. onion, chopped
1 green pepper, chopped
3 tbsp. oil
1/2 c. brown sugar
1/4 c. ketchup

Slice Spam in skillet. Saute onions and green pepper in oil. Remove and brown Spam slices on each side. In casserole dish, mix beans, sugar and ketchup. Add onions and peppers. Mix all together. Layer Spam slices on top, then sprinkle cheese over all. Bake 45 minutes in 350 degree oven or until beans bubble and cheese 
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: MikeBCda on October 16, 2006, 03:14:55 AM
We've sorta wandered OT with the recipes, but what the heck ...

My personal favorite is simple, slices fried lightly for sandwiches on toast, with whatever extras/garnishes strike my fancy at the time.

Actually we could bump that slightly back onto topic ... "serves" several million, with very little effort.  ;)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: bob3160 on October 16, 2006, 03:52:23 AM
Here's some eye Spam from start to finish:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010028s.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010028.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010029s.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010029.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010032s.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010032.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010031s.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010031.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010030s.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010030.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010033s.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010033.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010034s.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/bob3160/Pictures/P1010034.jpg)

Click on the picture to see a larger one
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: SNOWHITE on October 16, 2006, 12:14:32 PM
WOW Bob that Spam looks delicious! Can you  spam me with some Spam recipes, please ?  ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: drhayden1 on October 16, 2006, 12:35:32 PM
http://www.pitt.edu/~blair1/spam-recipes.html
http://www.spam.com/es/es_ci.htm
i hope you make enough for the 7 dwarfs too!! ::)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: markofkane on October 16, 2006, 01:35:42 PM
(http://home.earthlink.net/~markofkane/spam.gif)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: drhayden1 on October 16, 2006, 02:06:37 PM
One Question Bob.....Who Did The Dishes...No Picture of That!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: mauserme on October 16, 2006, 02:16:40 PM
Here's some eye Spam from start to finish:

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Click on the picture to see a larger one


Someone has way too much time on his hands.   ::)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: drhayden1 on October 16, 2006, 02:36:35 PM
hey keith.....and bob took pictures of the spam dinner from beginning to end(except who did the dishes????)+++this is all in good clean avast! forum fun bob.....no harm meant or intended ::)
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: mauserme on October 16, 2006, 02:44:57 PM
.....no harm meant or intended ::)

None taken, Dan

I posted to Bob as I would speak to a friend.  Just an observation (with a litlle sarcasm thrown in).

But seriously, I wonder if golf wouldn't be  a better hobby.  :P
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: DavidR on October 16, 2006, 02:47:55 PM
If you lot don't stop Spam(ing) this topic I'm sure you will have some ban(ana)s to go with your Spam ;D ;D
Banana and Spam fritters anyone ;D
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: mauserme on October 16, 2006, 02:59:50 PM
I think you're right David.  I fear our judgment will be swift and terrible.   :o
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: bob3160 on October 16, 2006, 03:23:36 PM
hey keith.....and bob took pictures of the spam dinner from beginning to end(except who did the dishes????)+++this is all in good clean avast! forum fun bob.....no harm meant or intended ::)
When Alice cooks, I do the dishes.
Since her transplant, she's back to doing everything and I've gone from doing everything to virtually doing nothing.
Hence, I've got time on my hands to take silly pictures and lots of other silly things.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: ADMIN: PMs disabled
Post by: drhayden1 on October 16, 2006, 08:00:20 PM
Thanks Bob and please don't tell me what the silly things are 8)

You've made Garfield hungry for a bowl of Banana and Spam fritters :o