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Title: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Cactusjack on January 17, 2007, 09:48:40 PM
 ???I am looking for a good Realtime running Antispyware Program.
I looking a long time for a Free Version.
And the most are not realtime .
I have try one,SpywareTerminator. but this product is not very good.
Olso this program blokking Updates,en other usuel things.
And the rest are all paying programs .
So i ask this Forum or Moderators,witch program is realtime running,andFree!!!!!
And ofcourse good running whit AVAST.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Lisandro on January 17, 2007, 10:29:32 PM
I am looking for a good Realtime running Antispyware Program.
The only-one besides SpywareTerminator for free is TeaTimer from SpyBot, as far I know. Oh, Windows Defender will be another one.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: DavidR on January 17, 2007, 10:34:52 PM
I don't use a real-time AS and use avg-as and just do weekly scans.

I also tried ST and it lasted less than a fortnight before I uninstalled it. I also tried SUPERantispyware (http://www.superantispyware.com) which didn't last long either, I can't recall if it was just on-demand or on-access also.

I didn't think there were many freeware anti-spyware programs with resident protection, http://www.google.com/search?q=freeware+anti-spyware+resident.

http://wiki.castlecops.com/Lists_of_freeware_antispyware
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: alanrf on January 17, 2007, 11:16:31 PM
I am running Windows Defender and have had no issues between it and avast and no problems with it at all. 

Tech has some concerns about Windows Defender - the one I completely agree with him on is the infrequency of updates and Tech reports that it does not do well in comparative studies. 

Windows Defender has never found anything on my system - but has not given me any false positives either.  avast has never found anything on my system either - but it has given me a few false positives too.   
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Cactusjack on January 17, 2007, 11:34:52 PM
I am running Windows Defender and have had no issues between it and avast and no problems with it at all. 

Tech has some concerns about Windows Defender - the one I completely agree with him on is the infrequency of updates and Tech reports that it does not do well in comparative studies. 

Windows Defender has never found anything on my system - but has not given me any false positives either.  avast has never found anything on my system either - but it has given me a few false positives too.   
;D Defender is not good,it is a dissaster. Update good,but Defender
does nothing for me.So allanrf i agree whit you.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Cactusjack on January 17, 2007, 11:40:16 PM
I am looking for a good Realtime running Antispyware Program.
The only-one besides SpywareTerminator for free is TeaTimer from SpyBot, as far I know. Oh, Windows Defender will be another one.
O i am forgotten one program. SpyCatcher, but very Agessif. no not me choise.
But TeaTimer do i not try,so thats 1 program.
Thank you Tech. ;D
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Cactusjack on January 17, 2007, 11:47:51 PM
I don't use a real-time AS and use avg-as and just do weekly scans.

I also tried ST and it lasted less than a fortnight before I uninstalled it. I also tried SUPERantispyware (http://www.superantispyware.com) which didn't last long either, I can't recall if it was just on-demand or on-access also.

I didn't think there were many freeware anti-spyware programs with resident protection, http://www.google.com/search?q=freeware+anti-spyware+resident.

http://wiki.castlecops.com/Lists_of_freeware_antispyware
O boy thats a lot to read,but i see many who are stand alone scanners,
and the realtimers cost money. SuperantiSpyware pro is not free, but who knows
there is somthing for me.MajorGeeks. CastleCops, I have work to do. thank you.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Cactusjack on January 18, 2007, 12:02:36 AM
Tech: I have a warning about a program what i see at the
bottom of your comment.
I saw Advanced Windows Care from IOBIT.com
I have the new version trying 3 times, and IF you use SpywareBlaster,
then there is a problem,whit the item Antispyware.
Afternoon today running this program 4hours,and AdAware Personal SE
Found 20 infections,And i look to Spyblaster and there are 3500 items not
working. I found this a dangares program.
Do not use this Advanced windows Care.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: rdmaloyjr on January 18, 2007, 12:06:22 AM
I recommend  a layered real-time protection of four programs: SpywareBlaster; SpywareGuard; WinPatrol & Windows Defender.

Turn off BHO protection in SpywareGuard as WinPatrol has that.  It won't hurt if you don't though you will get two sets of pop-ups if you don't.  SpywareGuard hasn't been updated since 2004, but it has heuristics detection.

For on demand scanning I recommend Spybot S&D and ewido/AVG AS Freeware.

avast! has some spyware protection.

If you take my recommendation you will find your system malware free.

All of these are FREE!  :D
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: rdmaloyjr on January 18, 2007, 12:16:07 AM
In case nobody hasn't noticed, this thread should be in General Topics.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: DavidR on January 18, 2007, 12:19:53 AM
Like anything in life these things are often a compromise, I don't fee that I'm particularly vulnerable to this type of attack so I'm happy enough with an on-demand anti-spyware.

You can take proactive action to prevent or limit infection, I use firefox with the no_script and DrWeb link checker extensions. I don't open unknown email attachments or click links in said emails. Any program that has internet access I run under DropMyRights (see signature) to help prevent/limit infection getting established. So even without resident AS protection you are fairly well protected.

If you want you could install a HIPS type program that should add another level of protection CyberHawk gets a reasonable review.

But above all else have a backup and recovery plan for when the dark and stick stuff hits the fan, backup the stuff you don't want to lose every day. A disk imaging program (most good ones cost but you don't have to renew each year) can take an exact copy of your HDD in minutes.

Take a weekly image and if you get into trouble that is likely to take some time to resolve, I usually opt to restore my last image, about 10-15 minutes tops, then restore the last daily backup. So if the worst come the max you can lose is 6 days of program updates/installs and 1 days worth of data files, emails, docs, bookmarks, address book, etc.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Joeloucyn on January 18, 2007, 12:26:11 AM
Cyberhawk is a very good antispyware and also an excellent supplementary program to avast! It is free but initially installs as trial of the professional version.
http://www.novatix.com/
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Lisandro on January 18, 2007, 01:30:49 AM
Tech: I have a warning about a program what i see at the bottom of your comment. I saw Advanced Windows Care from IOBIT.com
I have the new version trying 3 times, and IF you use SpywareBlaster, then there is a problem,whit the item Antispyware. Afternoon today running this program 4hours,and AdAware Personal SE Found 20 infections
Well... without the file names and paths it will difficult to say. The Advanced Windows Care is not a spyware and the free version hasn't a resident guard.
So, even using it, it does not explain why are you so infected.

And i look to Spyblaster and there are 3500 items not working. I found this a dangares program.
Spybot and SpywareBlaster could have 'conflicts' with immunization. These programs could remove the immunization of each other.
Other program, with a very huge database called IE-Spy (http://www.spywarewarrior.com/uiuc/resource.htm) could have with problems with Spybot and SpywareBlaster.

Look here:
There is a post http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=9671.msg212999#msg212999
MVPS is a well-known application. But it will occasionally disable other items.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Lisandro on January 18, 2007, 01:33:48 AM
I recommend  a layered real-time protection of four programs: SpywareBlaster; SpywareGuard; WinPatrol & Windows Defender.
WinPatrol has a very relative antispyware function (only behavior blocker, not signatures).
SpywareBlaster and SpywareGuard are immunizators as far I know.
Windows Defender is a real-time protection.

SpywareGuard hasn't been updated since 2004, but it has heuristics detection.
I can't believe heuristics from 2004 are that powerful  ::)
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Lisandro on January 18, 2007, 01:35:17 AM
Like anything in life these things are often a compromise, I don't fee that I'm particularly vulnerable to this type of attack so I'm happy enough with an on-demand anti-spyware.
Safe browsing is the best antispyware we have...

If you want you could install a HIPS type program that should add another level of protection CyberHawk gets a reasonable review.
I'm not sure HIPS is the same protection as an antispyware... I need to learn more...
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: mauserme on January 18, 2007, 02:14:31 AM
Spybot and SpywareBlaster could have 'conflicts' with immunization. These programs could remove the immunization of each other.
Other program, with a very huge database called IE-Spy (http://www.spywarewarrior.com/uiuc/resource.htm) could have with problems with Spybot and SpywareBlaster.

So which is best?   SpywareBlaster claims "7902 items in database" (including blocked sites and cookies) as of the last update while Spybot S&D claims something like 18,000 immunizations.  But can we go strictly by the numbers or is this just a difference in the way things are counted?
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: DavidR on January 18, 2007, 02:35:31 AM
Well, it isn't the same as anti-spyware, I didn't say it was, if you don't have a resident anti-spyware HIPS can offer additional protection to an on-demand AS.

It offers similar protection to anti-spyware but doesn't use signatures (in this case) but looking at behaviour, etc.

Host Intrusion Protection Software, basically it is trying to stop attacks on your system such as process injection, monitoring changes to the system that under certain circumstances are suspicious or possibly malicious.

The http://www.novatix.com/ site has this link to a pdf report on HIPS programs by av-comparatives, http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/HIPS-BB-SB.pdf, it makes interesting reading.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Cactusjack on January 18, 2007, 10:28:47 AM
It is a fantastic Topic i see. So many people reacting on me question.
Thanks a lot for this. I have many to read and try what are the best in
combination whit Avast and The Kerio Firewall.
Here in me Country says experts that de Comodo Firewall is better,but
i Trust The Kerio,and is very clear to understand.
Before i going to work whit all this links and programs, there is one thing
that i must tell to Tech:
Tech: Before i did the Download of Advanced Windows Care from Cnet,
did i read the warning about the point of use the SpywareFunction in this
Program.IF somebody use SpywareBlaster or Spybot Searh&Destroy, then
must you the item Spyware turnoff.
So i did,and i try this 3 times.No its make no different on or off.
And every time i used AVG Antispyware trial and then you can see the BHO"s
of me brouwser,and what is the result? Infected and even the Adobe help.
So i used the HijackThis for the real results.
And no doubt, so i do never install AdvancedwindowsCare annymore.
That is what i learn of trying this program. Ofcourse All in One and Handy
for the user. But mij stand alone Spyware programs say somethingels.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: dfxbb on January 18, 2007, 12:41:43 PM
I am using avast!, WinPatrol and Cyberhawk now. They works well on my computer.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Lisandro on January 18, 2007, 03:51:52 PM
But can we go strictly by the numbers or is this just a difference in the way things are counted?
I think both... they count different, for merchandising and for technical reasons.

I'll need a technical comparison to judge correctly which is allowing better protection.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: martosurf on January 18, 2007, 06:47:14 PM
Any program that has internet access I run under DropMyRights (see signature) to help prevent/limit infection getting established. So even without resident AS protection you are fairly well protected.

Hello DavidR,

Can you tell me please how you exactly use DropMyRights? - may be this make you laugh a little but I find somewhat difficult to make it work right with IE6 and Outlook 2007... mind you pass me an example command line argument that should run with the browser, mail program or any given application for the case?

Thanx in advance!!

One more thing to you people out there looking for a nice HIPS, have you tried GhostSecurity (formerly AppDefend and RegDefend)? It's a pretty nice application, lighter than anything known -really- and they also have a freeware version.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: martosurf on January 18, 2007, 06:50:55 PM
mind you pass me an example command line argument that should run with the browser, mail program or any given application for the case?  <-- very sorry, LOL  :o

I think it should say "for instance", lol... this happens with you think in spanish but writes in english  ::)
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: DavidR on January 18, 2007, 08:43:01 PM
There is an example on the link in my signature, I suggest you print of the page and use it for reference.

Quote from: DavidR
The target location in the alternative shortcut would look something like this - C:\DMR\DropMyRights.exe "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe". What this is doing is calling the DropMyRights.exe, which launches the program with restricted rights.

On this page there is a link to the Microsoft Page about it which includes images on how to set it up, which you could also print.

You could also convert the various pages using an on-line translation like http://babelfish.altavista.com/ if that make it easier to understand. However, these on-line services often don't convert the grammar very well.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: martosurf on January 19, 2007, 04:20:20 AM
Thank you very much for the help :D , I'd like to bother you with two last questions:

1. Please tell me if I'm wrong or miss something: DropMyRights downgrades administrative accounts -well, actually I guess it 'isolates' applications- to mere limited user accounts so, when a virus or any malware gets to the computer it can't access any data on the system because limited users just can't access any data not belonging to them.
When the host application quits, any malware data dies with it.

2. Usually I browse webpages with Opera but I set default browser to Firefox 2. Is there any way to add DropMyRigths to Firefox, being it the default browser???

Thanx in advance for your help, time and patience and please write your answer with confidence: I luckily read english far more easy and good than write it :-D
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Lisandro on January 19, 2007, 12:45:28 PM
When the host application quits, any malware data dies with it.
Most probably... but what is dies here? Temporary files could be there... The Administrator could 'use' that files and the problem appears, as the Administrator has fully access to computer (specially common users files). But, ok, generally, the files can't harm your system.

2. Usually I browse webpages with Opera but I set default browser to Firefox 2. Is there any way to add DropMyRigths to Firefox, being it the default browser???
If you start Firefox from a link to DropMyRigths no problem. If you click a link into an email, for instance, the default browser will start without DropMyRigths. The problem is what starts the browser? A link to DropMyRigths or a system link being Firefox the default browser. Did I make myself enough clear?  ::)
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: DavidR on January 19, 2007, 02:55:10 PM
@ martosurf
1. DMR only downgrades application permissions not the Users overall account permission, DMR as its name implies drops the rights of a user with Administrator rights to that of a limited user, only for that program, browser, email, etc.

It doesn't isolate it like in a sand box the programs runs as normal but if it tries to do something that requires administrator rights (like creating registry entries and placing files in system folders) it can't because it is effectively run under limited rights.

There is nothing to stop it doing anything that doesn't require admin rights and looking at data, so if under normal circumstances you can't look at another users data, but there is nothing to stop a limited user looking at 'his' own data. So you have to have your firewall protect against unauthorised outbound connections.

When you quit the (host) program run under DMR the only thing that dies is the browser, etc. any malware downloaded would still be there but it wouldn't have been able to create registry entries and place files in the system folders. This as I have said greatly reduces the potential for damage as the file/s won't be in the system folders and there are no registry entries to run the programs on boot, etc.

That is why you need to have multi-application protection and periodically run on-demand scans with them to remove that dormant malware, avast, anti-spyware/adware programs, etc.

2. DMR only works if you use the shortcut to launch the program if something else launches it like a link in the a program, settings, help file, etc, it launches the default browser directly (in some it may launch IE not the default browser) and not the link you have to run the program under DMR.

This is important to remember as that wouldn't be run at a limited rights, if you already have the Browser running using DMR any links would open in that and now open the full rights browser.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: martosurf on January 19, 2007, 05:47:25 PM
Guys, you rock! I was just to reply to Tech but after so detailed help you posted DavedR I have only one word for you both: THANKS.

It's all much more clear now  8)
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: DavidR on January 19, 2007, 05:58:01 PM
Your welcome.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Cactusjack on January 25, 2007, 09:30:13 PM
The latest discussion are a little beside me question. But i have tested
and tested. I found here not what i searh. So to Windowsmarketplace.
I have tryed.SpyCatcher Express,and no me choise!
EndTaskPro(free)
Zero Spyware Free Edition.
Wincleaner AntiSpyware. (Warning)
Defender,test i bevore (1Year)
SuperAntiSpyware Pro(these can i try after a restoirpoint)
WinPatrol
Spyware Terminator.
And a other one But i lost the name.
The First 4 are the new generation realtimers,and running the hole time.
But,they works like a firewall. Every hour a few times,must jou click Yes or No.
No this is not nicely to work.
But i warning you,DO NOT INSTALL, WINCLEANER Antyspyware!!!
I read a comment on a Forum,This Program can you not remove!!!
And it is really the truth. Only the fact that i discover a weak point in
Windows XP and against the rules olso,well this helping me this program
to remove,and it cost me 4 hours.
And when this program are running,well its not to believe,that this thing
cut off your internet connection.
No i must further for searhing,becourse i found the best
Spyware Terminator,but not good enough.
But i have a discovery. A little program for your registry.
The name:Free Window Registry Repair. from Regsofts Software.
He discovered more than 1000 empty or wrong Keys.
And i did it.Whay? This program got 4 times 5 stars on market place.
Result? All clean,and all the thing keep working. Its a question of trusth!!!
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Glass on January 26, 2007, 06:09:07 PM

I have try one,SpywareTerminator. but this product is not very good.
Olso this program blokking Updates,en other usuel things.


Can I ask u why u thing this is not good?
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Cactusjack on January 26, 2007, 10:58:33 PM
Glass: This Afternoon send me Provider a letter per email,and they toold
that the last few months the connection where very BAD.
This have to do whit Digitally Phone upstarting.
And i try Spyware Terminator in this period that updates where not
possebly,So i am glad becourse i found this program not Bad and
not Top.Rating 4 of the 5 stars.
The only question is must i used the AV shield?
This program working easyer when you not install this shield.
But maybe are this only on me Computer. Or the bad connection.?
i can tell you i trusht this program,mutch more than the new programs
on windowsmarketplace, if you believe me,this 4programs working not fine.
I find it HACKING programs when you 1 click do wrong.
Back to Spyware Terminator, Take him,and i am follow i think.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Glass on January 27, 2007, 05:22:27 AM
Glass: This Afternoon send me Provider a letter per email,and they toold
that the last few months the connection where very BAD.
This have to do whit Digitally Phone upstarting.
And i try Spyware Terminator in this period that updates where not
possebly,So i am glad becourse i found this program not Bad and
not Top.Rating 4 of the 5 stars.
The only question is must i used the AV shield?
This program working easyer when you not install this shield.
But maybe are this only on me Computer. Or the bad connection.?
i can tell you i trusht this program,mutch more than the new programs
on windowsmarketplace, if you believe me,this 4programs working not fine.
I find it HACKING programs when you 1 click do wrong.
Back to Spyware Terminator, Take him,and i am follow i think.
I have Spyware Terminator alongside Avast Home and have not had any problem with performance or updates. I never had a detection of spyware yet and can't comment on the efficacy, though!
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: compmanio36 on January 27, 2007, 06:02:49 AM
Tried SpywareTerminator, after I got it configured and rebooted the first time, it seemed like Avast and it fought each other, 100% CPU was being used; killed the SpywareTerminator process and everything was fine.  Plus, honestly, the program seems a little hokey to me.  And how much can you trust software put out by a company called "Crawler", who has had partnerships with companies KNOWN to put out spyware?  No thanks, back to my combination of Spybot w/ TeaTimer (the latest update really improves the resident) and Ad-Aware for occasional on-demand scanning.  I might try Ewido, I mean, AVG Antispyware if I really thought it were necessary, although I don't usually trust software that has been bought out by other companies too often.  I mean, look at what happened to GIANT AntiSpyware after Microsoft bought them out.  Microsoft AntiSpyware was fine since it was largely the same program, but once "Defender" came out, now it is a ineffective, bloated, worthless piece of software.  I expect AVG Antispyware to be the same before long.

Stick with Spybot and Ad-Aware, and a dose of common sense in browsing with Avast by your side and I think you'll do well.  ;)
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Cactusjack on January 27, 2007, 11:37:17 AM
I almost think that you follow me to Different Forums.
The Giant Story have i yesterday exact told as You on a other Forum.
Microsoft have murdered  a Exellent Giant Antispyware Program :o
And if you Defender use,then is there no other conclusion.
I give not a Penny for this Program.
And You are right about Spyware Terminator. Thats why i in doubt!!
Its not top.its not very bad,but i have enough time to searh,for a
solid program.
Yes i have Webroot Spysweeper on disk,but these are for a other comp.
But if you searh for a Solid Program, i found this one  a-squared Free
from www.emsisoft.com a little slow but from a good Company.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Cactusjack on January 27, 2007, 04:43:12 PM
compmanio 36: You writing about TeaTimer.
But that is so far as i know SpybothSearh&Destroy!!
And this is not a realtime Program.
I used this 4years,but i have no good memory on this tool.
Maybe once when i have a little Spyware.And did NOT see it.
Olso in the average Mode.(ErrorSafe).
AdAwarePersonal SE catch this.
And i found it a heavy Program whit 19MB.
So,its possibby that you mean a other Spyware program?
But thanks for your reacthing.
Title: Re: Realtime running AntispywareProg Free.
Post by: Spiritsongs on January 27, 2007, 08:45:19 PM
 :)  Hi all :

     Hopefully, Grisoft is not as bad as Microsoft on what they do to programs they acquire !?