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Title: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: gdiloren on August 08, 2007, 02:56:06 PM
 :)http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=177062&page=2
and about security and privacy leaks with Comodo Firewall,
[url]http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=181922] (http://[/url)http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=177062&page=2
and about security and privacy leaks with Comodo Firewall,
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=181922
May be the Avast users should rely on PC Tools free FIREWALL after all? :-X
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 08, 2007, 03:08:04 PM
People, from time to time, don't know why, try to bash security companies that release free products. People don't understand how can a company survive giving one product by free to home users. This is an endless story.
If you don't trust your security company. Change it.
You can trust Alwil and Comodo companies imho.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: drhayden1 on August 08, 2007, 03:12:19 PM
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You can trust Alwil and Comodo
2nd vote on that and lots of others here on this forum will say the same ;)
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should rely on PC Tools free FIREWALL
no thank you-from the latest leak test results it rates VERY POOR while comodo rated ""EXCELLENT""

(http://i9.tinypic.com/540ip7s.jpg)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: DavidR on August 08, 2007, 03:51:15 PM
The caps lock key appears to be stuck on your keyboard whilst writing newspaper style headlines for Topic Titles, there is no need to shout.

Many forum users used to use PC Tools and switched to comodo and this was because of security issues not one of perceived privacy issues.

Personally I would have waited until the conclusion of the topics you gave (broken) links to before creating the newspaper headlines.

Edit: You ought to check out this topic as we get some information/answers direct from the horses mouth so to speak, Melih the owner/main man I believe.
http://forums.comodo.com/help/phoning_home-t11317.0.html (http://forums.comodo.com/help/phoning_home-t11317.0.html)
also http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews/what_do_you_think_about_this-t11280.0.html (http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews/what_do_you_think_about_this-t11280.0.html)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on August 08, 2007, 04:28:37 PM
My FUD alarm is going off!  ::)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 08, 2007, 04:31:56 PM
My FUD alarm is going off!  ::)
What's FUD? ???
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on August 08, 2007, 04:42:41 PM
Fear Uncertainty and Doubt

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Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) is a sales or marketing strategy of disseminating negative (and vague) information on a competitor's product. The term originated to describe disinformation tactics in the computer hardware industry and has since been used more broadly. FUD is a manifestation of the appeal to fear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 08, 2007, 04:49:46 PM
Fear Uncertainty and Doubt

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Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) is a sales or marketing strategy of disseminating negative (and vague) information on a competitor's product. The term originated to describe disinformation tactics in the computer hardware industry and has since been used more broadly. FUD is a manifestation of the appeal to fear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt)
Thanks Frank. Fully agree: marketing strategy of disseminating negative (and vague) information on a competitor's product.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 08, 2007, 08:52:36 PM
Fear Uncertainty and Doubt

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Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) is a sales or marketing strategy of disseminating negative (and vague) information on a competitor's product. The term originated to describe disinformation tactics in the computer hardware industry and has since been used more broadly. FUD is a manifestation of the appeal to fear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt)
Thanks Frank. Fully agree: marketing strategy of disseminating negative (and vague) information on a competitor's product.
Yeah a tactic MSFT pioneered  ::)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: neal62 on August 08, 2007, 10:16:03 PM
Well, for all of this hype about Comodo Firewall it sure is just a simple answer. If you don't trust it, don't use it. There are other choices for any of us to go to. Whether you pay for one or choose a free one is entirely up to your choices.  :)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 08, 2007, 11:32:05 PM
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=181689

http://pure-essence.net/2004/02/25/theplanetcom-referral-spam/
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 08, 2007, 11:36:00 PM
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=181689
http://pure-essence.net/2004/02/25/theplanetcom-referral-spam/
I didn't understand the relationship of these links with this topic... can you show me? Thanks.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 08, 2007, 11:47:21 PM
BoClean is a comodo product.  BoClean calls out to theplanet.com.

It appears comodo fw, comodo boclean & theplanet.com are "dirty".
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 08, 2007, 11:51:41 PM
BoClean is a comodo product.  BoClean calls out to theplanet.com.
It appears comodo fw, comodo boclean & theplanet.com are "dirty".
I see...
But is this real or just a hoax or FUD as posted before?
What is 'call' in this situation? Is Comodo a spyware? ???
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 09, 2007, 12:07:40 AM
BoClean is a comodo product.  BoClean calls out to theplanet.com.
It appears comodo fw, comodo boclean & theplanet.com are "dirty".
I see...
But is this real or just a hoax or FUD as posted before?
What is 'call' in this situation? Is Comodo a spyware? ???
Tech,

When you make a telephone call you voice is transmitted over the phone lines.

So when comodo "calls" out it transmits out data.

It appears it is spyware.

If it is indeed spyware then cpf isn't free, your surfing pays for it.

There is a link to PC Tools Fw in my sig below for you to enjoy safe, free surfing.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 09, 2007, 12:16:19 AM
So when comodo "calls" out it transmits out data.
It appears it is spyware.
If it is indeed spyware then cpf isn't free, your surfing pays for it.
It's difficult to believe...
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: MFB on August 09, 2007, 12:28:47 AM
BoClean is a comodo product.  BoClean calls out to theplanet.com.
It appears comodo fw, comodo boclean & theplanet.com are "dirty".
I see...
But is this real or just a hoax or FUD as posted before?
What is 'call' in this situation? Is Comodo a spyware? ???
Tech,

When you make a telephone call you voice is transmitted over the phone lines.

So when comodo "calls" out it transmits out data.

It appears it is spyware.

If it is indeed spyware then cpf isn't free, your surfing pays for it.

There is a link to PC Tools Fw in my sig below for you to enjoy safe, free surfing.

If you continue reading the topic regarding about Comodo BOClean, you'll also find a reply from Kevin McAleavey who's the Security Expert there. ( click here (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=181689) )

    or here's the quote from his post:

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Greetings! That will be the autoupdate itself doing that, checking to see if there's a new database update for BOClean. Whilst the PSC BOClean connected with our own servers at logical.net, with the large volume of BOCleans out there now, logical.net just wasn't up to the task of handling all those connections without problems. COMODO is using servers at "theplanet.com" for the ftp download for BOClean and what's going on is a standard "passive FTP" connection there to do a file list to see if what is there is newer than what you have already and if so, it will download and install it. But that's all that's going on there.

If it's a concern, you can go into BOClean's configuration screen and turn off the autoupdate and do them manually, but it will go to that very same place now for the manual update. Good move on the 4.24 though ... whilst the 4.23 release had a lot of problems, the 4.24 release solves a lot of problems that 4.22 had and is by far the best one ever. And as we pass 32,000 unique items, we NEED to draw the curtain and end support for the 4.22 release in the next few days as it's run out of room to go much past that. In all sincerity though, 4.24 is far superior to 4.22 and there's nothing funny going on. Like all previous versions of BOClean, coded it all with my own two hands, so I still know exactly where all the bones are buried.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 09, 2007, 12:36:23 AM
A lot of sites 'certify' Comodo as being spyware free...

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Comodo_Firewall_Pro/1132729513/1
http://www.download.com/Comodo-Firewall-Pro/3000-10435_4-10633448.html
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/comodofirewall.html
http://www.majorgeeks.com/Comodo_Personal_Firewall_d5033.html

So... are they all wrong?
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: DavidR on August 09, 2007, 12:43:04 AM
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=181689

http://pure-essence.net/2004/02/25/theplanetcom-referral-spam/

The first link it would appear that this is BOClean auto updates at work
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1051096&postcount=7 (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1051096&postcount=7)
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Greetings! That will be the autoupdate itself doing that, checking to see if there's a new database update for BOClean. Whilst the PSC BOClean connected with our own servers at logical.net, with the large volume of BOCleans out there now, logical.net just wasn't up to the task of handling all those connections without problems. COMODO is using servers at "theplanet.com" for the ftp download for BOClean and what's going on is a standard "passive FTP" connection there to do a file list to see if what is there is newer than what you have already and if so, it will download and install it. But that's all that's going on there.

I suggest you read the whole topic (not just my link and quote) where the reason for that is I think clearly explained.

It too can't see why the second link is in there as aside from BOClean using some servers on theplanet.com domain it has no control over it and any referral spam. Which has absolutely nothing to do with comodo.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 09, 2007, 12:43:34 AM
If you continue reading the topic regarding about Comodo BOClean, you'll also find a reply from Kevin McAleavey who's the Security Expert there. ( click here (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=181689) )

    or here's the quote from his post:

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Greetings! That will be the autoupdate itself doing that, checking to see if there's a new database update for BOClean. Whilst the PSC BOClean connected with our own servers at logical.net, with the large volume of BOCleans out there now, logical.net just wasn't up to the task of handling all those connections without problems. COMODO is using servers at "theplanet.com" for the ftp download for BOClean and what's going on is a standard "passive FTP" connection there to do a file list to see if what is there is newer than what you have already and if so, it will download and install it. But that's all that's going on there.

If it's a concern, you can go into BOClean's configuration screen and turn off the autoupdate and do them manually, but it will go to that very same place now for the manual update. Good move on the 4.24 though ... whilst the 4.23 release had a lot of problems, the 4.24 release solves a lot of problems that 4.22 had and is by far the best one ever. And as we pass 32,000 unique items, we NEED to draw the curtain and end support for the 4.22 release in the next few days as it's run out of room to go much past that. In all sincerity though, 4.24 is far superior to 4.22 and there's nothing funny going on. Like all previous versions of BOClean, coded it all with my own two hands, so I still know exactly where all the bones are buried.
Sounds like a good cover-up.  Google "theplanet.com", it doesn't look like theplanet.com is a good choice, except if you're into malware.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: drhayden1 on August 09, 2007, 01:32:41 AM
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There is a link to PC Tools Fw in my sig below for you to enjoy safe, free surfing.
with bad leak tests results rated VERY POOR-no thanks-everything you do-someone or something is spying on you now days-software,hardware,real life,at work basically everywhere-so nothing is safe and secure as we wish it would be ::) :o
will keep comodo on here-until it is proven fact-no gossip or hear say will prove it ;)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 09, 2007, 01:42:19 AM
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10 minutes after installing the latest update it was calling out to 92.c8.344a.static.theplanet.com

What is that all about?

Why the need to update after 10 minutes?  Something is fishy here?  There is something rotten in Denmark!  10 mins earlier an update was successful. 

I smell a rat.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: DavidR on August 09, 2007, 02:14:58 AM
If you can't believe the person whose comment I quoted and he is the developer (I believe) of the latest version of boclean, so I guess he would know what is coded, I don't know who you will believe. You can smell as many rats as you like but without evidence to the contrary, packet sniffers, etc. to identify the content you will never know for sure.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 09, 2007, 02:51:53 AM
If you can't believe the person whose comment I quoted and he is the developer (I believe) of the latest version of boclean, so I guess he would know what is coded, I don't know who you will believe. You can smell as many rats as you like but without evidence to the contrary, packet sniffers, etc. to identify the content you will never know for sure.
Does that make him trustworthy?  Do you know him personally?  Can you vouch for him?  Have you read his response to Ian Richards' review of comodo boclean?

He didn't explain why an update after 10 mins.  He ignored the issue.  Maybe the other server had a newer update, but I don't know of a software that every 10 min it checks all servers & makes multiple updates.

When I used NOD32 I sometimes had to force it to keep checking till it found an update.  Most find an update then wait for the set interval before checking again.

I don't need or want anything to do with comodo, but as malware fighters we should be on the alert for suspicious-ware.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 09, 2007, 03:20:48 AM
Does that make him trustworthy?  Do you know him personally?  Can you vouch for him?
I've asked an official word here (http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews/comodo_is_suspect_of_spyware_for_some_users-t11383.0.html;msg80400#msg80400).

He didn't explain why an update after 10 mins.  He ignored the issue.  Maybe the other server had a newer update, but I don't know of a software that every 10 min it checks all servers & makes multiple updates.
I've asked for automatic updates, it's normal to contact the update servers for that.
Don't you trust avast for the same reason?

I don't need or want anything to do with comodo, but as malware fighters we should be on the alert for suspicious-ware.
No, it's not suspicious. It's a serious company.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: DavidR on August 09, 2007, 03:22:31 AM
@ rdmaloyjr
You can go to the forum and topic and ask the question directly instead of speculatively 'smelling rats' in this forum.

When a person puts his comments in print so to speak you at least have to give them the courtesy of trusting what they say until someone provides the 'evidence' that disproves what he said, then you can call him a liar. I don't know him, nor have I read his reply to the boclean review, but then again I'm not trying to find any evidence on boclean being spyware or suspicious.

If you feel he ignored the 10 minute issue, get on the forum and press him on it. The same is true of your comment "but as malware fighters we should be on the alert for suspicious-ware" at some point a suspicion has to be proven and so far I don't see any 'evidence.'

I don't use boclean, because personally I don't think it is all that good (I haven't tried the latest version though) not because of any suspicion. So that is me done as I don't use the product and won't waste any further time speculating.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 09, 2007, 03:44:47 AM
I've asked for automatic updates, it's normal to contact the update servers for that.
Don't you trust avast for the same reason?
My copy of avast! is at the default setting for updates every 240 mins.  Not 10 mins.

Automatic updates are great.  I wish all my free programs did. :)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 09, 2007, 03:54:21 AM
Final word?
Read the whole story before posting:
http://forums.comodo.com/help/phoning_home-t11317.0.html
http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews/what_do_you_think_about_this-t11280.0.html
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 09, 2007, 04:42:36 AM
Final word?
Read the whole story before posting:
http://forums.comodo.com/help/phoning_home-t11317.0.html
http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews/what_do_you_think_about_this-t11280.0.html
Tech,

It is pretty silly to ask comodo if they're spyware, do you really think they will say yes?  Whether or not they are spyware?  Do you think a man that plans to rob a bank will notify the bank of his intensions?  Have you ever heard of the term "stool pidgen (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/stool-pigeon.html)"?

After reading those 2 threads in comodo forums you gave me, I am more suspicious of comodo.

I don't see of any need to continue this thread.  Comodo has won with the help of it's victims.  The irony is overwhelming.

Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: neal62 on August 09, 2007, 06:55:13 AM
I don't think Comodo has won OR lost. There are plenty of us that don't use Comodo, I don't for instance. I am perfectly happy with the firewall that I do use.  :)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on August 09, 2007, 09:55:52 AM

... It is pretty silly to ask comodo if they're spyware, do you really think they will say yes? ...

I'll tell you what's silly, making accusations without any real EVIDENCE ...  ;)  ::)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: justin1278 on August 09, 2007, 05:29:17 PM
Hello everyone,

Kevin was one of the orginal creators of BOClean, which means he was the programmer before Comodo bought out BOClean.. He would not have sold BOClean if he thought Comodo was going to taint the product's name ::)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 09, 2007, 07:25:37 PM
Hello everyone,

Kevin was one of the orginal creators of BOClean, which means he was the programmer before Comodo bought out BOClean.. He would not have sold BOClean if he thought Comodo was going to taint the product's name ::)
Thanks Justin. I've asked you about this in a thread in Comodo forum but the Moderator locked the thread...
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: DavidR on August 09, 2007, 07:43:56 PM
Yes he locked the thread but he did give you the link for the main topic discussing this issue (even in the avast forums we try to have people post in relevant threads where possible) in which you could ask the question if it hadn't already been answered in that.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: gdiloren on August 09, 2007, 07:47:36 PM
Cruising other threads on the wilders forum brings you to read that CF is not the only firewall being "crucified": (QUOTE)
Whenever I review/post about a firewall, I post info on this (I always have), it is not just a case of IF a firewall calls home, it is also if a firewall can call home without popup/knowledge to the user (Hard_coded rules). As simple example, if we look at ZA, its main process "vsmon", have you ever attempted to create rules for this process, or even attempted to place this in the application list,... you cannot, and vsmon is able to make whatever connections. This was the process that did make the outbound connections (the call home). Now dont get me wrong, I know I have been accused of attacking ZA due to this, but I will report any such findings of ANY firewall/ security application that I find connects out, or is able to connect out without user knowledge/warning/logging.

As for the choice between ZA and OP pro,.. my personal choice between the 2 would be OP pro, not just based on the hard_coded rules, but also by the reported (and my own findings) of problems. ??? (QUOTE- WILDERS- OTHER FIREWALLS... by STEM  August 5th, 2007, 01:19 PM)
Had to say that with CF at least my internet speed improved a lot better than with ZAP ;D
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: justin1278 on August 09, 2007, 10:01:20 PM
Hello everyone,

Kevin was one of the orginal creators of BOClean, which means he was the programmer before Comodo bought out BOClean.. He would not have sold BOClean if he thought Comodo was going to taint the product's name ::)
Thanks Justin. I've asked you about this in a thread in Comodo forum but the Moderator locked the thread...

Hello Tech,

Yes the thread will remain locked, no point in having two threads on the same thing ::). If you have any other questions I will answer them to the best I can :)

Justin
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 09, 2007, 11:14:35 PM
Yes the thread will remain locked, no point in having two threads on the same thing ::). If you have any other questions I will answer them to the best I can :)
Justin, what I want is an official position of the Comodo staff, maybe here. Can't they do it?
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: justin1278 on August 09, 2007, 11:37:28 PM
Yes the thread will remain locked, no point in having two threads on the same thing ::). If you have any other questions I will answer them to the best I can :)
Justin, what I want is an official position of the Comodo staff, maybe here. Can't they do it?

I've forwarded this information to Melih (CEO of Comodo). We will see what he can do, but there are no guarantees...

Justin
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 09, 2007, 11:39:50 PM
I've forwarded this information to Melih (CEO of Comodo). We will see what he can do, but there are no guarantees...
Thanks Justin. With my all respects to Melih.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: justin1278 on August 09, 2007, 11:42:45 PM
I've forwarded this information to Melih (CEO of Comodo). We will see what he can do, but there are no guarantees...
Thanks Justin. With my all respects to Melih.

No problem, just sent the message to Melih, give him some time, I am sure either him or somebody else will respond.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: polonus on August 10, 2007, 08:08:32 AM
Hi folks,

I think some people are really getting paranoid here, because there is so much commercial and governmental data retention going around (for obvious Big Brother reasons and monopolistic Big Corporational control) they think everything and everyone is in on this game, and really start barking at the wrong tree here. Because they are becoming transparant and do not object to it where it really matters, they start seeing ghosts on the wall (firewall here  ;D where they do not exist, that means the fearmongering actually works, the FUD has sunken in!
Your firewall and anti malware protection should be your best of friends in this matter, not your enemies.
Don'tlook for skeletoons where there ain't none,

polonus
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on August 10, 2007, 09:27:23 AM
It's really saying something when Polonus calls you paranoid, believe me.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on August 10, 2007, 10:03:17 AM
It's really saying something when Polonus calls you paranoid, believe me.

+1

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: drhayden1 on August 10, 2007, 10:57:38 AM
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Your firewall and anti malware protection should be your best of friends in this matter, not your enemies.
Don'tlook for skeletoons where there ain't none,
agree fully damian my friend 8)
 
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Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: SpeedyPC on August 10, 2007, 11:59:04 AM
+2

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I see more people complaining they don't have enough protection on their PC, installing to much security software can over kill your computer it can do more damaging.

Nobody on earth cannot tell you which is the best software firewall, just find the software firewall that suit you and does the job well easy for you understand and operator to control the in and outbound traffic.

The person behind the computer has to learn to LOOK :o at the software and the settings carefully, before you start cruising in other forum website and making Comodo a bad firewall which is not good.

The more you keep this up and cruising the staff at Comodo and on their forum website support and in here on Avast forum it not good, those people at Comodo who work so hard with so much support and ideas to create a really good software firewall.

There are some people in here I've seen are supporting Comodo like Justin for example, and to make it grow toward the future and their software marketing.

I'm NOT (sorry didn't edit this sooner) complaining about Comodo firewall and I can always learn from my mistake behind the firewall software settings, IF I see a problem that I'm not sure how to solve it I don't start cruising and making Comodo a bad firewall.

Their people in here and at Comodo support forum website can help you, and some people in here who don't have a problem using Comodo if you have a problem just ask............it not very hard to ask help if you have a problem........or are you plain DUMB!
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: bob3160 on August 11, 2007, 12:23:39 AM
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There is a link to PC Tools Fw in my sig below for you to enjoy safe, free surfing
rdmaloyjr,
Unfortunately PC Tools FW doesn't pass all the tests and Comodo does.
We know you have a personal dislike for Comodo but, even you can't ignore the facts that
Comodo is rated as the top FW program.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 11, 2007, 03:54:57 AM
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There is a link to PC Tools Fw in my sig below for you to enjoy safe, free surfing
rdmaloyjr,
Unfortunately PC Tools FW doesn't pass all the tests and Comodo does.
We know you have a personal dislike for Comodo but, even you can't ignore the facts that
Comodo is rated as the top FW program.

No, its not a personal dislike.  I tried CPF 4X, the last was to get CPF out of my XP security center (a fix was in that version).   I think I have a valid reason to mistrust comodo.  I do dislike software that is untrustworthy, don't confuse that with personal dislike.

Reviews can be bought & sold as has been discussed in this forum.  The creator of boclean reacted to an unfavorable review of comodo boclean by saying he paid for that review.  Strange he didn't get the review he paid for, certainly he should have gotten a much better review for the money.  The reviewer says he didn't get paid, he doesn't accept payment for reviews.  This has been covered in Wilders.

Reviews can be personal likes & dislikes, also.

If personal likes were my criteria I wouldn't be using PC Tools fw.  The only fw that I did like was ZA, its too bloated now.  I hope the avast fw will be like ZA without any bloat.  Or like Jetico v1 with a great data base of software & not annoying.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: DavidR on August 11, 2007, 02:33:35 PM
We are still waiting for this evidence of this mistrust as to why comodo is untrustworthy ?

If your fears are correct is it not a good reason to bring it to light for others to evaluate your evidence and drop the products if found to be correct. We have heard lots of your not trusting comodo but not one word of evidence to support that.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: tristan on August 11, 2007, 03:50:30 PM
why comodo is untrustworthy?  just google

trusttoolbar or comodo trusttoolbar
or this {d80e1356-ac78-4218-961c-a7689b4cb7fe}
and {093caf40-3ba6-4071-a050-e830cbdc6480}

http://www.castlecops.com/atx-250.html
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: bob3160 on August 11, 2007, 04:42:43 PM
why comodo is untrustworthy?  just google

trusttoolbar or comodo trusttoolbar
or this {d80e1356-ac78-4218-961c-a7689b4cb7fe}
and {093caf40-3ba6-4071-a050-e830cbdc6480}

http://www.castlecops.com/atx-250.html
All your link does is point us to a statement that deems the Comodo Trust Toolbar as a "Users Choice"
and therefore "Not Neded"
That doesn't make this program untrustworthy. It also has nothing to do with the Comodo Firewall which is the subject of
this thread.

Welcome to the forum.  :)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: tristan on August 11, 2007, 05:03:02 PM
Thanks bob3160

Normally that is "Not Neded" is a SPYWARE!!!!
Definitely not required - typically viruses, spyware, adware and "resource hogs"
Comodo TrustToolbar and Comodo Firewall come from same company called Comodo!
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on August 11, 2007, 08:18:30 PM
The spyware accusation is hotly denied by Comodo:

http://forums.comodo.com/trusttoolbar/is_trusttoolbar_spyware-t113.0.html;topicseen (http://forums.comodo.com/trusttoolbar/is_trusttoolbar_spyware-t113.0.html;topicseen)

http://forums.comodo.com/empty-t763.0.html;msg4767#msg4767 (http://forums.comodo.com/empty-t763.0.html;msg4767#msg4767)

Pretty convincingly if you ask me.  ::)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 11, 2007, 09:27:36 PM
We are still waiting for this evidence of this mistrust as to why comodo is untrustworthy ?

If your fears are correct is it not a good reason to bring it to light for others to evaluate your evidence and drop the products if found to be correct. We have heard lots of your not trusting comodo but not one word of evidence to support that.
As long as you turn a blind eye to comodo any discussion on comodo will be unfruitful, worse yet it will be harder to prove truth.  I won't explain that as I don't want to put any ideas in evil ears (or should I say eyes as this is visual, not audible).  For that reason this thread should never have happened.

I'm looking forward to the avast! fw. :)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: DavidR on August 11, 2007, 09:43:16 PM
How can we do anything else but turn a blind eye as you constantly say there is a problem with the trustworthiness of comodo yet fail to produce the evidence. Now you say you won't explain why, basically that comes down to put up or shut up.

No offence meant but that is an often coined phrase, if you won't tell us why, stop telling us there is a problem.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 11, 2007, 09:47:49 PM
Normally that is "Not Neded" is a SPYWARE!!!!
Not needed it just not needed, not a spyware... you're extrapolating the info.
For instance, CCleaner has Yahoo toolbar that is not needed for CCleaner. Is Yahoo toolbar a spyware, no way.

This thread proves nothing. There is no evidence of Comodo being a spyware. Hoaxes, myths, FUD...

As long as you turn a blind eye to comodo any discussion on comodo will be unfruitful, worse yet it will be harder to prove truth.
David is not blind... you do not prove anything and now he is the blind here...

I'm looking forward to the avast! fw. :)
We too, for sure, but not because Comodo is a spyware application.
Why don't you try to blame against Comodo in the download sites that assume the contrary?
For instance:
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Comodo_Firewall_Pro/1132729513/1
http://www.download.com/Comodo-Firewall-Pro/3000-10435_4-10633448.html
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/comodofirewall.html
http://www.majorgeeks.com/Comodo_Personal_Firewall_d5033.html
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: tristan on August 11, 2007, 10:14:59 PM
Comodo denied all, is normal!
But when I see site like this:
http://www.ca.com/us/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453074930
http://www.f-secure.com/sw-desc/trusttoolbar.shtml
Nevermore no-one software that come with name Comodo can be downloaded on my HD.
Trust is ended!
CCleaner is not "Trust Security" software how call itself Comodo.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 11, 2007, 10:35:15 PM
[Edited because of new info brought by Frank and Polonus]
Comodo team defends TrustToolBar very hard: http://forums.comodo.com/trusttoolbar/is_trusttoolbar_spyware-t113.0.html
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on August 11, 2007, 10:51:43 PM
For heavens sake, it's just FUD:

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TrustToolbar description
TrustToolbar Plug-in - Realtime website identity authentication
TrustToolbar is a Free Internet Explorer Plug-in - Provides you with realtime visual identity assurance of who your current website really is!

Here are some key features of "TrustToolbar":

· Let's
you surf to the website you want simply by entering their brand, company or product names - remembering complex URLs is a thing of the past!
· Let's you search for specific products and services offered within the validated and Trusted Commercial Web containing millions of companies selling the prodcut or service you want!
· Bring the power of your favourite search engines right to your fingertips
· simply search directly from TrustToolbar. With TrustToolbar you've got the search power of Google, Excite, MSN, Bay9 & more right on your browser tool bar!
· Allows Homepage Owners to register friendly names for replacements to their complex URLs that will be easily remembered by family and friends.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Browser-Tweak/TrustToolbar.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Browser-Tweak/TrustToolbar.shtml)

Quote
Softpedia guarantees that TrustToolbar 3.0.0.69 is 100% CLEAN, which means it does not contain any form of malware, including but not limited to: spyware, viruses, trojans and backdoors.

This software product was tested thoroughly and was found absolutely clean, therefore it can be installed with no concern by any computer user.

The keyword here is tested.

The toolbar is detected by a few scanners, most don't detect it, some detected it in the past but withdrew the detection on re-examination.

The Comodo forum gives a reasonable explanation of why the toolbar might have mistakenly been detected as malware, but stresses that it's not.

So either some anti-spyware progs are making a mistake, or Softpedia is wrong, as is PC World:

http://msn.pcworld.com/article/id,120501-page,1/article.html (http://msn.pcworld.com/article/id,120501-page,1/article.html)

I'm going to try the damn thing just to clear this up once and for all!!
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: polonus on August 11, 2007, 10:54:08 PM
Yes Tech, but let us look at various info and the facts, for instance CastleCops for me still an authority states:
http://www.castlecops.com/tk586-Ttbbho_dll.html
and it is given a clear bill;
while here you have another opinion:
http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/browser_helper_objects/623-Ttbbhodll.html
or here: http://descriptions.securescout.com/tc/19016
And I think it is on dubious grounds, just because the workings of the BHO it is classified as a hijacker, not every BHO is bad for the way it behaves. Then they state that through the workings of this hijacker this could be able to load smut through associative search engines. That is a very heavy accusation and it means that you install the trustbar to load explicit adult content unto your machines, duh!
Who is trying to run COMODO into the ground just because of an outlay of a Browser Helper Object and the way in behaves inside IE?
It is just like with other things to-day, I think that COMODO is not guilty until proven to be, and not in the way of the Napoleonic law so popular now everywhere - you are guilty until you can prove your innocence, as many here like to present this case, waiting for reactions,

polonus
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on August 11, 2007, 11:26:37 PM
Well, I gave the toolbar a try.

Accusations against TrustToolbar:

Displays ads.
Hijacks browser
Difficult to uninstall

My findings:

Displays ads - false
Hijacks browser - false
Difficult to uninstall - false

At least some of the reasons given for the classification as spyware are unfounded.

Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: tristan on August 11, 2007, 11:33:22 PM
Absolutely accord with you polonus, but is on "Spybot-Search & Destroy Imunize list, "Lawasoft" list, "F-Secure", "CastleCops", "SpySweeper", "pestpatrol", "Computer Assoicates", "PC Tools", etc.

CEO-Comodo say on all this: "It really frustrates me to have such cowboys in the "security" field, charge customers and don't deliver decent enough product."

Put on balance!
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: bob3160 on August 12, 2007, 12:40:21 AM
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but is on "Spybot-Search & Destroy Imunize list, "Lawasoft" list, "F-Secure", "CastleCops", "SpySweeper", "pestpatrol", "Computer Assoicates", "PC Tools", etc.
Why aren't you blaming these companies who have detected this False Positives?  What makes them the good guys???
If avast! detects a false positive, we harp Alwil to correct it. We don't go to the company whos software was erroneously
tagged as malware.
Why is this any different?
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 12, 2007, 12:56:45 AM
These kind of people do not acknowledge errors.
These kind of people do not apologize.
We're feeding FUD rumors here...
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: neal62 on August 12, 2007, 01:29:21 AM
Guess there is one other way to look at all of this. This thread and all of the posts are certainly free advertisement for Comodo. Too bad it's not a case of "out of sight, out of mind".  ;)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 12, 2007, 04:13:33 AM
 8)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on August 12, 2007, 09:38:42 AM
Worst thing is, this subject just keeps coming back every year.  :-X

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=17020.msg147569#msg147569 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=17020.msg147569#msg147569)

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=20208.msg169786#msg169786 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=20208.msg169786#msg169786)

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=17001.msg144553#msg144553 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=17001.msg144553#msg144553)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: polonus on August 12, 2007, 01:20:35 PM
If that is so, my dear FwF, what then is the scheme behind this? If it is a scheme for free advertisement for COMODO? I do not believe this, some leave the program because some doubts have arisen in their minds, some that believe in a certain program anyways become ever greater fanboys. I think this comes just by itself, it might be generated by a mole or troll for such matter for reasons we can only guess about. Some people feed their energies on controversy, each knows enough of these people from one's own experience. Then their is envy one of the great propelling forces in the universe, created by the demiurge and put on forth by other forces, next when people loose the ability to judge by or for themselves, then we have the situation we find ourselves in here. Just ignore it.

polonus
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: drhayden1 on August 12, 2007, 03:12:58 PM
nice pic tech and how true...i think i will just leave this thread alone myself and leave the comodo pro firewall on my computers and be happy with what i've got and leave the posting on this so-called issues to others who think there is a issue-me-have had my fill of viewing this thread.
better things to do with my time and real world life ;)
page 6 coming soon i suppose ::) ???

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Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: SpeedyPC on August 12, 2007, 03:39:21 PM
Is this converstaion every going to END ??? It like reading a bed time story almost made me fall a ZZZZzzzzzz.......FART!......zzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: tristan on August 12, 2007, 05:25:09 PM
I was trying not to change its mind of anyone, only simple exchange of information.
If you think that there is global conspiracy against Comodo? your choice.

Add one more "participant of global conspiracy" against Comodo if you wish?

PeerGuardian :
- block IP list with all Comodo server IP.

P2P IPs.txt(53367): ComodoCALtd:72.20.6.52-72.20.6.63
P2P IPs.txt(53367): ComodoCALtd:72.20.6.76-72.20.6.79
P2P IPs.txt(69354): COMODO:81.187.75.116-81.187.75.116
P2P IPs.txt(69356): COMODO:81.187.76.240-81.187.76.255
P2P IPs.txt(69383): COMODO-RESEARCH-LAB:81.187.164.217-81.187.164.217
P2P IPs.txt(69386): COMODO-RESEARCH-LAB:81.187.167.48-81.187.167.63
P2P IPs.txt(71316): Comodo:82.109.38.200-82.109.38.207
P2P IPs.txt(71466): COMODO Ltd:82.110.55.12-82.110.55.15
P2P IPs.txt(79551): Comodo CA Ltd:85.91.228.128-85.91.228.191
P2P IPs.txt(83306): COMODO-RESEARCH-LAB:90.155.91.64-90.155.91.95
P2P IPs.txt(83715): Comodo Security Solutions Pvt Ltd:125.17.11.112-125.17.11.127
P2P IPs.txt(125391): Comodo CA, Ltd:208.122.24.144-208.122.24.147
P2P IPs.txt(132139): COMODO SYSTEM CO.,LTD:210.196.112.208-210.196.112.215
P2P IPs.txt(148327): Usertrust / Comodo CA Ltd:216.126.201.16-216.126.201.191
85.91.228.132 comodo forum
85.91.228.149 comodo forum

So you can go look for yourself!
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 12, 2007, 05:40:08 PM
PeerGuardian: block IP list with all Comodo server IP. P2P IPs.txt(53367)
Into this list, even Google servers will be listed.
In fact, the purpose of PeerGuardian is to improve P2P usage, avoid servers that block P2P action, so this in on contrary that you're posting, showing that Comodo is trying to avoid access of P2P traffic.
Comodo, in this list, is safer that you can imagine...
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: drhayden1 on August 12, 2007, 07:18:54 PM
(http://i12.tinypic.com/639ll3o.jpg)
press this key someone ;)
make sure you are behind a safe firewall like comodo before pressing key ;D
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: bob3160 on August 12, 2007, 07:42:12 PM
nice pic tech and how true...i think i will just leave this thread alone myself and leave the comodo pro firewall on my computers and be happy with what i've got and leave the posting on this so-called issues to others who think there is a issue-me-have had my fill of viewing this thread.
better things to do with my time and real world life ;)
page 6 coming soon i suppose ::) ???

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SSSSHHHH
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: avatar2005 on August 12, 2007, 10:57:45 PM
Hi All! I have read all  5 pages of this thread, & IMHO my conclusion will be:

PLEASE STOP FIGHTING WITH THE WINDMILL, CPF is A great firewall, that make it's job very well to me. If the soft is good for me (& I think not only for me), than why on earth we are sticking to this thread???
IF you like it - you use it, if not - than not.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on August 12, 2007, 10:59:54 PM
Quote
ZZZZzzzzzz.......FART!......zzzzzzzzz

I think that was the most insightful addition to this tread for the last three pages.  ::)
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: drhayden1 on August 12, 2007, 11:30:24 PM
Quote
ZZZZzzzzzz.......FART!......zzzzzzzzz

I think that was the most insightful addition to this tread for the last three pages

almost agree on that ;D
hey look..i'm being protected from all sorts of things on this thread by my comodo pro firewall and my other secuity software ;D

edited-oops! page 6 :o

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Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: tristan on August 13, 2007, 12:09:45 AM
OOps!
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Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: DavidR on August 13, 2007, 12:12:08 AM
Hardly, I don't even use comodo, realists yes, until conclusive evidence is produced all this is is FUD and or speculation.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: drhayden1 on August 13, 2007, 12:19:50 AM
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IF you like it - you use it, if not - than not.
thanks avatar2005 for that quote ;)
i will use it-so i guess i'm a fan of comodo and i guess that make me a fan of avast! and a few other great software products like winpatrol,ccleaner to name a few-no objections to those i hope ???
off this thread-getting to be a joke-it should end-for me it has :)
i think it served it's purpose-whatever it was ???
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farewell COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!thread
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: polonus on August 13, 2007, 12:33:51 AM
Hi Dan,

I was a user of ZA for ages, until I found that this fw did not support Tor, also over-bloatedness etc.
made me decide to go for another fw, that is COMODO. I also installed COMODO BoClean updated to version 4.25, no complaints ther either. Every software house has something hanging in the closet, there were some things with ZA with MacAfee support in the past, there was code that could take the fw out.
But all this did not lead to a thread like this one crucifying ZA, and these were not only rumours.
It is the same when you say well Google has so many services out now, sitting on a big sugarbowl of data, in the future they may be tempted to run some fingers through this bowl, now we cannot be safe without encrypting all our personal data, I cannot pass clear text to Google. In this case the best policy is not to pass these personal data out to Google or fake your data from a non-existing street in a former country
(East Germany for instance) and start to run your TrackMeNot extension. So if you do not trust your data to be behind a certain fw, do not use it, simple as that,

polonus

P.S. Well Polish sausage is world class.
D.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rdmaloyjr on August 13, 2007, 01:19:08 AM
Quote
IF you like it - you use it, if not - than not.
thanks avatar2005 for that quote ;)
i will use it-so i guess i'm a fan of comodo and i guess that make me a fan of avast! and a few other great software products like winpatrol,ccleaner to name a few-no objections to those i hope ???
off this thread-getting to be a joke-it should end-for me it has :)
i think it served it's purpose-whatever it was ???
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farewell COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!thread
You listed 3 out of 4 as great software products.  :)  Now all you need to get is a firewall.  Nothing has gotten by PC Tools Firewall Plus on my system.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: bob3160 on August 13, 2007, 02:17:11 AM
rdmaloyjr,
We are still waiting for you to submit proof ???
Do you have any ???
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Lisandro on August 13, 2007, 03:36:39 AM
PeerGuardian: block IP list with all Comodo server IP. P2P IPs.txt(53367)
Into this list, even Google servers will be listed.
In fact, the purpose of PeerGuardian is to improve P2P usage, avoid servers that block P2P action, so this in on contrary that you're posting, showing that Comodo is trying to avoid access of P2P traffic.
Comodo, in this list, is safer that you can imagine...
Like Bob is asking, so do I... any answer to my post?
I'm not a Comodo fan boy, not an avast fan boy...
I try to learn when I'm browsing, just that.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: SpeedyPC on August 13, 2007, 05:34:20 AM
rdmaloyjr,
We are still waiting for you to submit proof ???
Do you have any ???

Bob,

I don't think rdmaloyjr has got the knowledge and proof to post it, otherwise he/she standing behind the curtain to shy to come out.
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: rhuds13 on August 13, 2007, 04:12:32 PM
I will keep using Comodo until Avast has a Beta FW for us ;D
Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: drhayden1 on August 13, 2007, 05:47:09 PM
was not going to post in this thread again-but here's good proof-what's at the top of this list and what's at the bottom ??? ::) this is not so called alleged proof on comodo being bad...just the difference in the firewall's being secure for your computer :)
mind you-nothing against pctools-use their paid version of spyware doctor as my realtime spyware protection and won't have anything else and also used their full version of registry mechanic until i stopped recently with fooling around with the registry-but no thank you to their firewall until if ever it gets better ;)
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Title: Re: COMODO FIREWALL CRUCIFIED!
Post by: Vlk on August 13, 2007, 06:04:01 PM
Guys, I'm afraid we're getting way too off-topic here. I suppose all relevant has already been said, therefore I'm locking this topic. :-*

Cheers
Vlk