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Title: I need your opinion..
Post by: marcjessa on August 16, 2007, 10:35:43 AM
Hmm.. btw, if i will ask you windows OS user..

What OS is preferable to use??

Is it XP or VISTA??


 8)  8)  8)

Although VISTA looks so nice, i don't know if my hardwares will fit on its requirements.
I like to try VISTA, but i don't want to take the risk.. (I'm tired reformating my PC again.. As i always do.. for almost 300X)..

Right now, I am using

Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2
2.4GH CPU
80GB HD
384MB RAM

Do it fit to VISTA requirements?? (I think it's not)  ;D  ;D

DO i have to upgrade or retain??


Hmm.. need some opinions and feed backs..



Thank's


JM


Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: igor on August 16, 2007, 10:53:45 AM
With 384MB RAM and 80GB HDD, I think XP is certainly a better choice.
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Kilia on August 16, 2007, 11:52:45 AM
 Even if I did have all the hardware requirements for Vista, I still don't think I would use it. So many of my fellow CG artists are having a tough time getting the OS to work with the software we use, so I'm sticking with XP. :)
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: rein on August 16, 2007, 12:26:08 PM
Hi,

i would like to say try it!
Make a complete backup from your system an install Vista.

I can say, i installed Vista on a Intel Centrino Notebook only with 1.4 GHz, 512MB RAM and 40GB Harddisk, and only 3GB are free Space ;D but it works very fine, not so fast but its even faster then the old Installation of Win XP  ;)

I forget to say, there is only an Intel Graphiccard with Pixelshader 1.0 inside, no visualisation from Windows AERO  ;)

greetings..
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Pfundner on August 16, 2007, 08:25:49 PM
vista sucks for gaming and it is slower than xp if ur hard drive is full due to more memory being used for fancy visual stuff. also many downloads/prgrams are incompatible with vista.
 if i were u, wait a year or so until a new vista has been released that is more compatible and less pointless! :)
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Lisandro on August 17, 2007, 01:02:48 AM
until a new vista has been released
New Vista ???
Is anything scheduled for a new version of Windows?

but it works very fine, not so fast but its even faster then the old Installation of Win XP  ;)
I just can't believe... really ???
I won't install Vista in a 384Mb RAM system for nothing in this world...
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: DavidR on August 17, 2007, 01:37:23 AM
<snip>
also many downloads/prgrams are incompatible with vista.
 if i were u, wait a year or so until a new vista has been released that is more compatible and less pointless! :)

until a new vista has been released
New Vista ???
Is anything scheduled for a new version of Windows?

Well Vista SP1 is touted for later this year, that should fix some of the compatibility/driver issues, but it certainly won't add any new functionality to cater for the "less pointless" comment.

There is also the replacement for Vista in the pipeline, supposedly being built from scratch that won't be concerned with backwards compatibility with old versions. MS seem to think this will only take two years, but that was I believe what they said about Vista and we all know how long that took ;D
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: bob3160 on August 17, 2007, 01:59:53 AM
If you want to spend the money to update your memory, then I'd say give it a try.
Without any upgrades, you'll probably not enjoy it.

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Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Lisandro on August 17, 2007, 02:51:51 AM
that won't be concerned with backwards compatibility with old versions.
Really? I cannot believe...
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 17, 2007, 03:03:50 AM
that won't be concerned with backwards compatibility with old versions.
Really? I cannot believe...

Well Apple Did this last year with the intel changeover. Rather than taking the time to rewrite the Classic environment they just axed it. As a result you can not use Mac OS 9.x (and earlier) apps on a intel Mac
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: DavidR on August 17, 2007, 03:06:02 AM
That by all accounts was why Vista was such a pig to develop they want to start from scratch. I can't recall which newsletter I read it in but that was what was being touted.


Edit: Just don a google search and it returns lots of hits, http://www.google.com/search?q=next+windows+after+vista (http://www.google.com/search?q=next+windows+after+vista), not all good hits but some info. http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=192501131 (http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=192501131)
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: mauserme on August 17, 2007, 05:46:34 AM
On my XP desktop I check and send email, surf the internet, edit and print photos, make slide shows, word process and create an occasional data base or spread sheet.

On my Vista laptop I check and send email, surf the internet, edit and print photos, make slide shows, word process and create an occasional data base or spread sheet.  And I have a pretty clock in the sidebar now.
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: TedNelly on August 17, 2007, 06:08:49 AM
Stick with Windows XP ;) I have had a copy of Windows Shitsta Ulti-mutant under my desk for a long time now. I'm waiting for the dust to mature  ;D
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on August 17, 2007, 09:20:11 AM
I've been using Vista for a couple weeks now and besides my crappy sound card drivers(will never ever buy Creative again) it seems to be working just fine. Some older games don't work well in Vista or don't work at all but i can live with that since i still have xp installed and i can play in xp if i want but i guess dual booting isn't the answer for people with limited HD space.

My advice would be to wait for Vista SP1 before making the switch or if you have plenty of HD space just do like i did and dual boot XP and Vista. But certainly 384mb of ram is not enough for Vista ! Have 2gb ram here and Vista is using almost half of that ...  :o
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: RejZoR on August 17, 2007, 09:53:48 AM
Lol its so funny to watch people whine how Vista sucks. I'm enjoying it ever since it's release. And wouldn't go back to XP even if you pay me.
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on August 17, 2007, 10:06:47 AM
... Lol its so funny to watch people whine how Vista sucks ...

Even funnier is that most of those people have never actually used Vista  ... ::)
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: TedNelly on August 17, 2007, 10:10:09 AM
Lol its so funny to watch people whine how Vista sucks. I'm enjoying it ever since it's release. And wouldn't go back to XP even if you pay me.

Fair comment RejZoR did you need to do much of a hardware upgrade to gain the Vista enjoyment factor?? ;D
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: roro on August 17, 2007, 10:29:32 AM
I love XP SP2 for now.  But I used to have 98SE, so it was a big change.  I found it easier to upgrade my machine when it was time to buy a new one.  My XP CPU is 4 years old now and going strong, so by the time Vista is in my sights it should have at least one if not two SP upgrades.  With the cheap prices for desktop machines today, it seems better to go to a discount seller for a new machine.  Certainly it isn't much more expensive in the USA than actually buying the Vista upgrade.
BTW, what is so much better about Vista RejZoRon then XP?   

Ro Ro

Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: szc on August 17, 2007, 01:20:30 PM
I have super powerful machine now and and I've been running it since the first day. All I can say is Vista simply sucks ! It's full of bugs, don't even want to go into detail it makes me sick how stupid mistakes MS did. I was thrilled at first like millions of others out there, but now when it actually stays on my way to do my business properly, Vista only gets on my nerves. They rushed everything just for the competition sake, nothing else. OS is obviously not finished and the biggest proof for that is that they already released a bunch of updates, and what's even more sad, not talking about security updates, but so called Performance updates. Incredible stupid mistakes, that's unbelievable... simple copying of a large number of files takes forever, GUI notification about approximate remaining time to finish this task, is not even close... millions of small errors and bugs. Just try to open Flash CS3, Photoshop CS3 and Illustrator CS3 in with some 300 Mb large AI file inside (sorry, but that's how it is when we do our designing business here, especially when NIKE and MINI moris are sending us their story boards). Vista slows down to a crawl. 2 MB of DDR3 doesn't help much, Intel Core 2 Duo doesn't help much... so what do they need ?

It is all nice and pretty, but beauty doesn't last for long... just like in real life. In this case I don't need bells and whistles, I need productivity, and that's what's missing here.

It is very sad to say that I'm forced to boot into XP more often than I can count, so I can finish some of those tasks on time. Yes, it's not that pretty, but XP does it without a problem.

All this helped me to slowly switch to Apple... 98% of designing world in here is using Apple and that simply became standard. With these wonderful new iMacs and super low prices, you simply can't beat those deals... Apple is finally entering out world in a big way.

I'll keep PCs no question about it, but for once let's be realistic. Even PCLinuxOS that I run on my other machine works better than Vista. MS screwed up this game, no question about it...
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 17, 2007, 02:03:44 PM
I have super powerful machine now and and I've been running it since the first day. All I can say is Vista simply sucks ! It's full of bugs, don't even want to go into detail it makes me sick how stupid mistakes MS did. I was thrilled at first like millions of others out there, but now when it actually stays on my way to do my business properly, Vista only gets on my nerves. They rushed everything just for the competition sake, nothing else. OS is obviously not finished and the biggest proof for that is that they already released a bunch of updates, and what's even more sad, not talking about security updates, but so called Performance updates. Incredible stupid mistakes, that's unbelievable... simple copying of a large number of files takes forever, GUI notification about approximate remaining time to finish this task, is not even close... millions of small errors and bugs. Just try to open Flash CS3, Photoshop CS3 and Illustrator CS3 in with some 300 Mb large AI file inside (sorry, but that's how it is when we do our designing business here, especially when NIKE and MINI moris are sending us their story boards). Vista slows down to a crawl. 2 MB of DDR3 doesn't help much, Intel Core 2 Duo doesn't help much... so what do they need ?

It is all nice and pretty, but beauty doesn't last for long... just like in real life. In this case I don't need bells and whistles, I need productivity, and that's what's missing here.

It is very sad to say that I'm forced to boot into XP more often than I can count, so I can finish some of those tasks on time. Yes, it's not that pretty, but XP does it without a problem.

All this helped me to slowly switch to Apple... 98% of designing world in here is using Apple and that simply became standard. With these wonderful new iMacs and super low prices, you simply can't beat those deals... Apple is finally entering out world in a big way.

I'll keep PCs no question about it, but for once let's be realistic. Even PCLinuxOS that I run on my other machine works better than Vista. MS screwed up this game, no question about it...

The Mac is not perfect, Windows just makes it seem that way.
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: TedNelly on August 17, 2007, 07:43:18 PM
My take on Vista was a ploy by MS to generated sales in a stagnant hardware upgrade market. In order to run Vista at its peak requires some quite significant hardware upgrading. Hardware system updating was booming pre and post Windows XP just look at the dramatic changes in hard drives, Ram and Graphics cards during and through that period. There is talk of SP1 for Vista and yet XP keeps having a truck load of patches and hotfixes thrown at it. So MS sees fit to release umpteen patches and hotfixes for XP what about SP3 for XP!! too Hard??
They were very quick to release SP1 and SP2 for XP but now the once a month band aids will do. Of course there no money in band aids?? There is however a truckload to be made with a new OS ;) just my 2cent worth
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: bob3160 on August 17, 2007, 11:34:02 PM
Looks like I've found the right thread for this link.  ;D
Windows Vista Complaints Department (http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/14/windows-vista-complaints-department/)
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: mauserme on August 18, 2007, 03:37:29 PM
Just try to open Flash CS3, Photoshop CS3 and Illustrator CS3 in with some 300 Mb large AI file inside (sorry, but that's how it is when we do our designing business here, especially when NIKE and MINI moris are sending us their story boards). Vista slows down to a crawl.
Sasha, CS3 installs Bonjour Service which is supposed to make networking easier but can slow things considerably.

You could try disabling it in services - it will be named either Bonjour Service or $$Id_String1.6844F930_1628_4223_B5CC_5BB94B879762$$

Disabling should be safe, but don't delete it.  This can cause problems with your internet connection.
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: szc on August 19, 2007, 05:57:42 AM
Sasha, CS3 installs Bonjour Service which is supposed to make networking easier but can slow things considerably.

You could try disabling it in services - it will be named either Bonjour Service or $$Id_String1.6844F930_1628_4223_B5CC_5BB94B879762$$

Disabling should be safe, but don't delete it.  This can cause problems with your internet connection.

Hello my friend ! Yes you're completely right. The only problem is I already found out about this Bonjour service I believe just two days after I installed CS3 suite. I wrote something about it in here:

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=29361.msg241556#msg241556 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=29361.msg241556#msg241556)

There is a utility called TurnOffBonjour.exe. Same thing as going into services, except it does everything for you with just one click...

The Mac is not perfect, Windows just makes it seem that way.

I see what you're saying Kyle, but believe me after all those problems with Vista and pulling my hair out because of some stupid things that should be minor problems in some other situation, OSX IS perfect OS with all its goods and bads.

My Intel Core 2 Duo Acer Laptop came with preinstalled Vista, with full licence on my name, but I am telling you... it's gonna be wiped out as soon as I decide which Linux distro to engrave inside. Most likely it will be PClinuxOS because I simply adore it.

Oh BTW, I finally got my first Apple... new iMac... really don't wanna sound like I am bragging or anything like that, but simply I can not hide how excited I am...
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=29799.msg247330#msg247330 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=29799.msg247330#msg247330)

Cheers!
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on August 19, 2007, 10:15:40 AM
Congrats on the new toy Sasha !

Mac's are ideal for graphic designers i totally agree there ! For me the thing that impressed me the most with Mac's is the wonderful STABILITY of those things compared to regular pc's running Windows. Imagine you're working on a project with Photoshop you have hours of work done you haven't saved the project for a few hours and suddenly you get a BSOD ...  ::) That hapened to me a couple of times and it did not feel good let me tell you. My ex co-worker was/is using a mac for his graphic work and he never ever had any problems with stability. Not one !

However as much as i admire Mac's for serious work i could never consider buying it for my home pc. The lack of gaming would kill me !  ;D

As far as Vista goes it has it's share of bugs there's no denying that but it seems to be working for me. The only problems i am having ATM are some games that won't run(i run those on xp thank god i left it installed), my soundcard drivers are still not 100 % working(but that's Creative's fault) and i have to use that ugly pctools firewall. Other than everything seems to be working well(even networking with  linux).

But i have to admit that dx10 is my main reason for going Vista . That's how it is if you want dx 10 you have to buy Vista.

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My Intel Core 2 Duo Acer Laptop came with preinstalled Vista, with full licence on my name, but I am telling you... it's gonna be wiped out as soon as I decide which Linux distro to engrave inside. Most likely it will be PClinuxOS because I simply adore it.

Yes PClinuxOS is great but i personally prefer Ubuntu. Lot's of reasons for that but my main reason are the huge software repositories that Ubuntu has. Plus i hate Mandriva(it was my first distro but then it was called Mandrake) which is the distro PClinuxOS is built upon ...
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: szc on August 19, 2007, 02:04:41 PM
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Yes PClinuxOS is great but i personally prefer Ubuntu. Lot's of reasons for that but my main reason are the huge software repositories that Ubuntu has. Plus i hate Mandriva(it was my first distro but then it was called Mandrake) which is the distro PClinuxOS is built upon ...

Yes, you're partly right there, although repositories are growing like a mushrooms after the rain to PCLOS too. The best thing is, it comes with Beryl installed, no need to dig after it through all those repositories. As soon as you install it, there is an option to enable all those wonderful 3D mind-blowing effects. It is unbelievable easy to use, and I'd say a lot easier than Ubuntu for some fresh new Linux user. I believe that is the Linux distro that looks and behaves a lot like Windows, so it is very easy to switch.
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: mauserme on August 19, 2007, 04:22:29 PM
There is a utility called TurnOffBonjour.exe. Same thing as going into services, except it does everything for you with just one click...
Thanks - makes life easier  :)
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: louis_zuo on August 24, 2007, 09:57:07 AM
i have used Microsoft Operation systems for toooo long.  i want to use Linux actually but when i install it i dont know how to configure the internet. how fool i am :'(
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on August 24, 2007, 06:55:11 PM
Yes, you're partly right there, although repositories are growing like a mushrooms after the rain to PCLOS too. The best thing is, it comes with Beryl installed, no need to dig after it through all those repositories. As soon as you install it, there is an option to enable all those wonderful 3D mind-blowing effects. It is unbelievable easy to use, and I'd say a lot easier than Ubuntu for some fresh new Linux user. I believe that is the Linux distro that looks and behaves a lot like Windows, so it is very easy to switch.

Sash almost every newer distro comes with Beryl or Compiz installed by default, it's a trend these days it seems.
Ubuntu 7.04 comes with Compiz installed by default. Beryl and Compiz projects have merged BTW Beryl Homepage (http://beryl-project.org/). Ubuntu 7.10 will ship with compiz fusion installed by default.

PCLinuxOS is easier to use than Ubuntu ? I don't agree as it cannot get any simpler to use than Ubuntu IMHO but i would say that KDE is easier to understand than Gnome, for windows users that is . If you want KDE that's where Kubuntu comes in play. But installing and updating software is easier in Ubuntu than in PClinuxOS (again IMHO). However Ubuntu doesn't come with all those multimedia codecs by default like PClinuxOS does due to their philosophy on using only open source software. That is i guess the thing you like the most with PClinuxOS but it certainly isn't the only distro that comes with all those closed source codecs and drivers installed by default. There are many many more out there. BTW here's an easy way to install multimedia codecs and drivers on Ubuntu EasyUbuntu (http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/overview.html).
Personally i prefer installing things manualy from the repositories.

I am just trying out Sabayon (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/) and it looks fantastic. Comes with everything you want and compiz fusion is also there. Worth checking out.

i have used Microsoft Operation systems for toooo long.  i want to use Linux actually but when i install it i dont know how to configure the internet. how fool i am :'(

No you're not a fool just a novice linux user that's all.  ;)
You can open up a new theme in General Topics and we'll try to help you set it up. We will need some more info of course. Which distro you use, what type of internet connection you have, router etc.



Enough about Linux let's get back to Vista. I just had a nasty problem. I was watching a divx movie in WMP 11 and suddenly my whole pc froze and i mean a total lock-up ! Ctrl+Alt+Delete didn't work as well as Ctrl+Esc , Alt+ F4, the windows key and everything else i tried. I had to do a hard reset and i don't like this at all. This is what i found in windows logs: The previous system shutdown at 12:54:30 on 24.8.2007 was unexpected. and Crash dump initialization failed!
Very helpful indeed ...  ::)
I am trying to replicate the problem but nothing so far.
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Lisandro on August 26, 2007, 01:05:01 AM
Ubuntu IMHO but i would say that KDE is easier to understand than Gnome, for windows users that is . If you want KDE that's where Kubuntu comes in play.
Kubuntu running in a dual-boot system here.
The easiest way to start learning Windows is, in my opinion too, KDE.
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: essexboy on August 26, 2007, 01:39:44 PM
Vista has been running on my system since January, the only change I did to hardware was upgrade to 2GB RAM, as 1GB is way to little.  But I do like it especially the security aspects.  IE7 runs in a limited user mode as does the rest of the system.  OK I do get UAC security alerts but they are not a problem they add maybe one second to installing/running a programme.  At least I know that if any bad boy tries to run I will know and be able to deal with it .  The stability is great as with XP I was reinstalling an image backup every few months ( I do like playing)  but on Vista I still have the original install after seven months     
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: szc on August 26, 2007, 04:18:18 PM
Sash almost every newer distro comes with Beryl or Compiz installed by default, it's a trend these days it seems.
Ubuntu 7.04 comes with Compiz installed by default. Beryl and Compiz projects have merged BTW Beryl Homepage (http://beryl-project.org/). Ubuntu 7.10 will ship with compiz fusion installed by default.

PCLinuxOS is easier to use than Ubuntu ? I don't agree as it cannot get any simpler to use than Ubuntu IMHO but i would say that KDE is easier to understand than Gnome, for windows users that is . If you want KDE that's where Kubuntu comes in play. But installing and updating software is easier in Ubuntu than in PClinuxOS (again IMHO). However Ubuntu doesn't come with all those multimedia codecs by default like PClinuxOS does due to their philosophy on using only open source software. That is i guess the thing you like the most with PClinuxOS but it certainly isn't the only distro that comes with all those closed source codecs and drivers installed by default. There are many many more out there. BTW here's an easy way to install multimedia codecs and drivers on Ubuntu EasyUbuntu (http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/overview.html).
Personally i prefer installing things manualy from the repositories.

I am just trying out Sabayon (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/) and it looks fantastic. Comes with everything you want and compiz fusion is also there. Worth checking out.

I know, but I didn't mention Compiz-Fusion just because it's still in deep beta, not quite stable. Beryl is something that works out of box without tweaking anything... I am sure Compiz-Fusion is great, but not just yet at this stage...

Anyway, I remember back then when you still had to break your neck searching repositories on Ubuntu/Kubuntu for Beryl, PCLinuxOS already had everything installed and ready to run... even at very first boot after the installation it offers a Beryl configuration page.

Not sure you're 100% right when you say Ubuntu is more user friendly than PCLinuxOS, just because PCLinuxOS is built with that idea in mind. It is well known that PCLOS is one of the most user friendly Linux distros ever.

http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2007/05/pclinuxos-2007-cool-looking-linux.html (http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2007/05/pclinuxos-2007-cool-looking-linux.html)

one at Ubuntu forums:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=279375 (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=279375)

The best thing that comes with PCLinuxOS is there is no or very little trouble with video card drivers. I haven't had a single problem with my video drivers and I use ATI... we all know how Linux can be difficult  on ATI sometimes. Not a single problem. I installed it and everything worked as a charm. I agree, million of different people, million of different preferences... some like Ubuntu, some like PCLinuxOS, and some like everything else... I know that I had some trouble getting my video card to work properly in Ubuntu, and using those high monitor resolutions... there was a load of trouble and manual editing you had to go through to get everything working. I can't call that user friendly...  :-\

Still IMHO, Linux is far from being a real contender to Windows... program support, user friendliness etc. I mean user friendliness is a way better in Windows (even though there are so many things in Windows that actually look more like user non-friendly things).

But it looks like there is a nice and bright future...
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on August 26, 2007, 10:21:45 PM
Beryl is set up beautifully on PClinuxOS and it really does work great right out of the box not to mention the distro is very polished graphically i agree with that but Ubuntu Studio theme + one of Sash original wallpapers still kicks ass for me !  ;D

Compiz Fusion has been working for me i guess i am lucky in that regard(knock on wood). Have you tried it ? You had any problems getting it to work ? For me it was an easy install no problems at all so it's pretty stable on this end(nvidia end hihi).

It's like you said it all comes down to personal preference i happen to prefer Ubuntu + Compiz Fusion and you prefer PClinuxOS + Beryl.
Your video card drivers don't work well in Ubuntu and my sound card doesn't work at all in PClinuxOS or any other distro built on Mandriva. This is how it is with linux , one distro will work as charm on a particular configuration while on another it will be hell.
For my old Barton machine Ubuntu works best, PClinuxOS works but without sound sad to say.

But i guess the thing that bothers me the most with PClinuxOS is the lack of autoupdate of packages and poor documentation(compared to Ubuntu's that is). PClinuxOS does come with many more things installed by default than Ubuntu but for an average guy who only needs the computer for browsing the web, emailing and writting documents Ubuntu default set of programs is enough. The only thing missing perhaps are the multimedia codecs but those can be installed very easy trough Totem player. AMD/Nvidia drivers can be enabled with one click trough option in GUI however they are not the newest so for some newer cards you might need to download newer ones from the repositories. That is pretty simple as well, both in Ubuntu and PClinuxOS. Configurability wise KDE is light years ahead though. In Gnome you have to manually configure alot of stuff from the console where as in KDE there is a GUI option for almost everything and the menus seem familiar to windows . So Kubuntu or PClinuxOS might be a a better choice for windows users. Personally i don't mind doing things from the console but some people avoid it like the devil since they are used to doing everything from GUI's. I guess it all depends on the users needs and requirements so saying that in general one distro is easier/better to use than the other is impossible. I will say that some things are easier/better done in Ubuntu and some in PClinuxOS both are fantastic distro's very user friendly and leave it at that.

I forgot to mention another rising star distro based on Ubuntu with pretty good looks, included proprietary drivers for AMD/Nvidia, closed source multimedia codecs and Beryl for all of you that want these things installed by default like Sasha does. It's called Linux Mint (http://www.linuxmint.com). Been trying to decide for this over Ubuntu and i might go for it ...


Vista has been running on my system since January, the only change I did to hardware was upgrade to 2GB RAM, as 1GB is way to little.  But I do like it especially the security aspects.  IE7 runs in a limited user mode as does the rest of the system.  OK I do get UAC security alerts but they are not a problem they add maybe one second to installing/running a programme.  At least I know that if any bad boy tries to run I will know and be able to deal with it .  The stability is great as with XP I was reinstalling an image backup every few months ( I do like playing)  but on Vista I still have the original install after seven months     

Then i envy you as i had to reinstall 3 times already and i've been using it for only a month. At first everything seem to be working fine as i reported here but these last few days i've been having some strange stability problems + serious stuttering in games and i've been pulling out my hair on what's wrong. At first i thought it was hardware related probably overheating or something so i ended up opening my comp , pulling out basically every cable every card cleaned the whole bunch put it back in rechecked everything was properly seated and connected i lowered the OC, re-set all the BIOS options but the problems were still there so, i did another Vista reinstall and now it seems to be working again. I still don't know what fixed it though. Perhaps it could be the drivers as i think i got hold of some newer ones for my chipset and graphics card. I sure hope it will work now as i'm getting tired of setting everything up over and over.
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: essexboy on August 26, 2007, 11:27:46 PM
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Then i envy you as i had to reinstall 3 times already and i've been using it for only a month. At first everything seem to be working fine as i reported here but these last few days i've been having some strange stability problems + serious stuttering in games and i've been pulling out my hair on what's wrong. At first i thought it was hardware related probably overheating or something so i ended up opening my comp , pulling out basically every cable every card cleaned the whole bunch put it back in rechecked everything was properly seated and connected i lowered the OC, re-set all the BIOS options but the problems were still there so, i did another Vista reinstall and now it seems to be working again. I still don't know what fixed it though. Perhaps it could be the drivers as i think i got hold of some newer ones for my chipset and graphics card. I sure hope it will work now as i'm getting tired of setting everything up over and over.
Two Vista updates NOT released via windows updates that improve stability and performance released about three weeks ago

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=3FB80BB9-D832-425B-B42C-D3EB2071BBEC&displaylang=en  This is a performance update. Install this update to improve the performance of Windows Vista in certain scenarios. Additional information about this update can be found in KB Article 938979. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.

AND

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=AE2F819D-C33D-48DB-A7E3-62EEF7C1F7C2&displaylang=en  This is a reliability update. Install this update to improve the reliability of Windows Vista in certain scenarios. Additional information about this update can be found in KB Article 938194. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: szc on August 27, 2007, 05:21:13 AM
Yes, I already posted about these two some time ago in UPDATES thread... trust me they help very little if nothing... sad thing when it comes to such an OS. Worst of all, they postponed release date of Vista so many times, they delayed it like no one before... and they did nothing. I wonder sometimes, maybe those MS developers are not paid enough or something ?!!  ;D

Thread where I wrote about these two sad updates for Vista:

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=9671.msg245393#msg245393 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=9671.msg245393#msg245393)

I truly hope they will eventually do something about all those issues, and in the mean time, I am enjoying a real OS, OS X...

Cheers!
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: essexboy on August 27, 2007, 12:03:07 PM
ooops didn't see that
Title: Re: I need your opinion..
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on August 27, 2007, 05:17:00 PM
Thanks essexboy for the links but i had these 2 updates installed since the first day they came out but like Sasha i never noticed any improvements.

My comp seems to be working very well now, infact CMR: DIRT works better than it ever did ! I sure hope it lasts ...