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Title: Worlds Best Article
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 18, 2007, 12:15:49 AM
http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/08/17/costanalysis/index.php


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It’s definitely true that Apple Mac pricing has not always approached parity. I’ve made this comparison before. Macs have clearly been more expensive than Windows PCs in the distant past. But if you’re talking about name-brand Windows PCs from reputable manufacturers like Dell, HP, Toshiba, Acer, Gateway, Lenovo and others, right now, the out-the-door pricing is more or less on par.

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Software is cheap. Unless you’re talking AutoCAD, Photoshop or Microsoft Office, software isn’t all that expensive, folks. Just two hours of my time spent working on a Windows PC problem is worth far more than the average cost of most software programs. Even if you’re retired, you have to factor in the time wasted wrestling with problems.

The point I’m trying to make is that, OK, so you may have to back your Mac purchase with an investment in software, but you had to do the same thing with your Windows purchase at some point. It’s a cost of doing business. But more important, you can amortize the cost of the software against the time you’ll save not wrestling with stupid PC problems.

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The Mac represents the most reliable vehicle you can buy (perhaps a Toyota?). There’s a hidden value to having far fewer problems than average. And a big segment of the computer-using marketplace doesn’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

That’s why the single most frustrating thing about being a Mac user is the disdain with which some Windows users view Macs. Apparently, you’re not a real man unless you’re suffering with everyone else.
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: OrangeCrate on August 20, 2007, 09:09:18 AM
Interesting article, thanks for posting. Got to love this quote...

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Apparently, you’re not a real man unless you’re suffering with everyone else.

The new iMac is gorgeous!
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: szc on August 20, 2007, 08:29:27 PM
Indeed it is.. I caught myself staring at it for more than 10 minutes without actually doing anything creative. I was simply amazed how this thing looks like. What is the best thing of all, that's this beauty's price. These guys are not that expensive any more.

(http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.f4fac6a0bd.jpg) (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?f4fac6a0bd.jpg)
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: drhayden1 on August 20, 2007, 08:47:27 PM
i hope it's protected by the best anti-virus Sasha and staring too me will harm your eyes 8) ;D

 (http://i15.tinypic.com/52cptl1.gif)
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: DavidR on August 20, 2007, 09:07:16 PM
Indeed it is.. I caught myself staring at it for more than 10 minutes without actually doing anything creative. I was simply amazed how this thing looks like. What is the best thing of all, that's this beauty's price. These guys are not that expensive any more.

It does look stunning, that keyboard looks great often the ugly duckling of the system, what is it like in use ?

The only thing that surprised me about your choice is why not the 24" TFT version ? ;D

What is the resolution on the 20" monitor ?
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 20, 2007, 10:25:14 PM
What is the resolution on the 20" monitor ?

1680 X 1050 (20 inch)
1920 X 1200 (24 inch)
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: DavidR on August 20, 2007, 11:15:15 PM
Thanks Kyle.

Same as my non-mac Philips 20" TFT most 20 are less than 1680x1050.
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: bob3160 on August 20, 2007, 11:18:49 PM
I'm using a 20.1" Envision with a resolution of 1600X1200.
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: DavidR on August 20, 2007, 11:26:58 PM
The Mac monitors and my Philips are wide screen formats 16:10
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: szc on August 21, 2007, 01:15:10 AM
It does look stunning, that keyboard looks great often the ugly duckling of the system, what is it like in use ?

The only thing that surprised me about your choice is why not the 24" TFT version ? ;D

What is the resolution on the 20" monitor ?

Hi David,

Choice was easy in this case... I went with 20-inches just because of the difference in price. I really don't need anything larger than this at this point, plus I can always hook it up to my HDTV set which is not huge, but still it's 32-inch and quite larger than 24-inch iMac. It's also a wide-screen.

Keys are incredible, feeling when you type is... I'd say somehow angelic  ;D It also allows you to type incredibly fast without missing letters when you're done typing... which unfortunately is not the case with my ACER ASPIRE 5630 laptop. Acer's Keyboard is a mile lower quality than what my old Gateway laptop had.

I'll repost this image again (already posted it in some other thread):

(http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.1905f66f0a.jpg) (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?1905f66f0a.jpg)

Forgot to mention... although Kyle already mentioned, but still... I run my beast at 1680 x 1050 pixels (widescreen)
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: DavidR on August 21, 2007, 01:30:18 AM
Thanks Sasha, keyboards are very important, many of the ones I have had were very poor and I was always experiencing missing letters especially when typing the same letter twice as in t'oo'l, etc. including this one. None of them could spell worth a damn ;D

It isn't all that long ago that I had my first TFT 17" when they were still very expensive so I got the largest I could reasonably afford, then I went to the 20" TFT at 1680x1050, boy what a difference. Now TFT prices are much lower with 19" almost the entry level, but I keep my eyes open for a reasonably priced 24".
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: szc on August 21, 2007, 01:46:25 AM
I understand you completely David. True, keyboards and monitors are very, very important. You want to keep your eyes healthy, same thing with wrists.

Sometimes (especially when watching some DivX/XviD movies) I connect my PC to this 32-inch TV. Even when font is set to very small, I can clearly read every single character... edges of those characters are not blurred at all. 24-inch is smaller, but I am sure it would also give you great results. Best of all, a lot of space on your desktop for all kind of windows open in the same time.
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 21, 2007, 04:59:45 AM
Also dont forget you can buy just the Apple keyboard. ;) It really is a nice keyboard
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: SpeedyPC on August 21, 2007, 05:14:13 AM
STOOOOOOP! I don't want to start falling in love with a new iMac PC :o, just had me new custom made PC about 3 months ago.

CRIKEY! love that  24" TFT version and the new thin keyboard.

BTW is the new thin keyboard looks like Anit-Dust and dirt proof ???, it seem to improved without running vacuum cleaner over the keyboard to clean all the crap between all these little keys using a vacuum brush.
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: szc on August 21, 2007, 06:22:14 AM
Not sure about the details, but all I can say, keyboard is really high quality device in this case. Perfect looking brushed metal (Aluminum) case (just like monitor's case which BTW is computer case in the same time) with unbelievable pleasant to the touch plastic keys. Traveling distance is very short which gives you a lot of room for speed typing. Of course there is not much empty space in between the key and the aluminum case, so even dust will have some trouble getting inside.

Best of all, those two cables (USB keyboard and USB mouse) are the only cables you'll have on your desk. Incredible ! Oh yes... keyboard has two USB slots, one on the left side of the keyboard for left-handed people, and another one on the right side for all others...

Memory is expandable up to 4 Gb and you can do it yourself, it is unbelievable easy and without losing your warranty. Apple did it this way so you can do it yourself instead of going back to the store. This particular model I bought myself, came with 320 Gb HD, and it can be upgraded with a HD up to 1 Tb of capacity. Crazy stuff... Video card is ATI Radeon 256 Mb and it does for me everything I always needed. There is a CD/DVD reader/burner, double layer of course.

When you turn your new iMac on, there is no noise at all. Not a single sound except the OS starting sound. No fans can be heard, nothing... at first I thought I was deaf... after my PC with 4 fans inside and the noise like I am starting an fighter airplane every single time I turn it on, this is something that actually heals your hearing, LOL.

OS is version 10 (X), actually 10.4.10, Unix based so what else is needed to say... In October when new OS called Leopard is out, I'm switching to it because it has some incredible features, and most important - it's totally inexpensive, comparing to some other OSes out there  ;D

LCD screen is crystal bright, colors are unbelievable. 'nuf said... running to my bed, kissing my beautiful baby girl Jessica and my other angel, my wife and diving into some nice dream... and then in the morning all over again  ;D

Good night forum !
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 21, 2007, 07:33:01 PM
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When you turn your new iMac on, there is no noise at all. Not a single sound except the OS starting sound. No fans can be heard, nothing... at first I thought I was deaf... after my PC with 4 fans inside and the noise like I am starting an fighter airplane every single time I turn it on, this is something that actually heals your hearing, LOL.

Yes almost all Macs are quite except the MacPro towers They have a slight humming to them due to 4/8 processors inside
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: justin1278 on August 23, 2007, 02:14:18 AM
If I were to go out and purchase the new Apple keyboard, would it work on my PC or does it only work with macs?
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: DavidR on August 23, 2007, 03:33:52 AM
There aren't any windows specific keys, no control key, the alt key is there but it would appear that you would need another key press to select it as it has another 'Option,' excuse the pun. There may possibly be more, Esc key, etc.  from that I saw in the image Sasha posted in his other topic (see link below), so I doubt windows would recognise it as a standard windows 101 key keyboard.

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=29799.msg247330#msg247330 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=29799.msg247330#msg247330)
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: szc on August 23, 2007, 05:05:16 AM
Not sure if it would work or not, to tell the truth I haven't even tried doing that... but, as David already brought it up, there are some extra keys and some that exist only on Windows-keyboards...

Anyway, here is few photos, so at least you can take a look how it looks like from above and from the side...

(http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.2f8199205d.jpg) (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?2f8199205d.jpg)

(http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.399c4dcd2d.jpg) (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?399c4dcd2d.jpg)
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: DavidR on August 23, 2007, 02:51:40 PM
Looks really neat, can now see that there is an Esc and control key, though the differences might make it very difficult (if not impossible) to use in windows, the three finger shuffle (Ctrl+Alt+Del) would become a four finger shuffle (as you would need another key to have alt selected and not Option. But no getting away from it, it is a very nice looking keyboard.
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 26, 2007, 06:19:40 AM
Apple Keyboards work great under Windows.

Control+Alt+Del works fine on a apple keyboard. The Option Key is the Alt key (it even has alt printed on it, look at sasha's picture above)

and the Command(apple) key works just like the windows key
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: szc on August 26, 2007, 06:39:05 AM
Yes, you can see it here, although when I took this photo I wasn't focusing on ALT key... anyway, it is still visible...

Keyboard close-up:
(http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.6e5ec87626.jpg) (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?6e5ec87626.jpg)
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 26, 2007, 06:47:19 AM
I should add that in order to use the Built in USB Hub in the keyboard you need XP SP2 or Vista.
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: DavidR on August 26, 2007, 01:57:39 PM
Apple Keyboards work great under Windows.

Control+Alt+Del works fine on a apple keyboard. The Option Key is the Alt key (it even has alt printed on it, look at sasha's picture above)

and the Command(apple) key works just like the windows key

Thanks Kyle,

I thought that because the key appears to have to functions (Options and Alt) like in a windows keyboard, the numeric keys (not numeric pad) have 2 or more values printed on them, you have to use a key combination to select the other values.
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: szc on August 26, 2007, 03:08:54 PM
Yes, that's right... but I guess as soon as you hook it up to some Windows machine, OPTION key has no function and instead it functions as ALT key. Same goes when you're using BootCamp and Parallels.
Title: Re: Worlds Best Article
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 27, 2007, 02:30:31 AM
Apple Keyboards work great under Windows.

Control+Alt+Del works fine on a apple keyboard. The Option Key is the Alt key (it even has alt printed on it, look at sasha's picture above)

and the Command(apple) key works just like the windows key

Thanks Kyle,

I thought that because the key appears to have to functions (Options and Alt) like in a windows keyboard, the numeric keys (not numeric pad) have 2 or more values printed on them, you have to use a key combination to select the other values.
Yes, that's right... but I guess as soon as you hook it up to some Windows machine, OPTION key has no function and instead it functions as ALT key. Same goes when you're using BootCamp and Parallels.

As Sasha said Option has no function under windows (or Linux) so it automatically the Alt key.