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Title: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: rdmaloyjr on September 02, 2007, 03:27:30 AM
If you want true outbound firewall protection, use this to help manage Windows Vista's built-in firewall.

Microsoft has been touting the new Windows Firewall in Windows Vista, which it says for the first time includes an outbound filter as well as an inbound filter. Outbound filters are important, because if you've been infected with a Trojan or similar software, it makes an outbound connection without your knowledge, letting someone else take control of your PC. Some malware can also turn your PC into a spam-spewing robot, sending out email without your knowledge.

Unfortunately, the outbound filter in Windows Vista is, in essence, turned off by default. And as a practical matter, it's impossible to manually configure it to block malware making outbound connections. That's where the free VistaFirewallControl comes in. Install it, and whenever an application tries to access the Internet, a screen pops up, with the application name, the publisher, and similar information, as well its path and file name. You can enable or disable inbound or outbound connections it tries to make, either permanently, or just this one time.
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,64950-order,1-page,1-c,allfirewallsdownloads/description.html
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: RejZoR on September 02, 2007, 08:29:51 AM
Nice find. It does exactly what it says. Adds proper outbound filter to the Windows Firewall.

I recommend downloading it here so you'll have the latest version:
http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Darth.Mikey on September 02, 2007, 09:07:41 AM
Is it any good ? Any reviews ? How does this compare to let's say ZA's free firewall ?
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: RejZoR on September 02, 2007, 11:06:42 AM
Well it does the job. Inbound is still filtered by WinVista firewall, while outbound is filtered by VFC. I tried GRC and it went flying in green colors. Leaktest was also stopped. Only thing thats a bit annoying is that you sometimes have to restart new program after allowing it in order for it to get connection properly. Some work just fine right away. Resource usage is minimal (1,5MB under Vista).
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Darth.Mikey on September 02, 2007, 11:44:51 AM
I might give this a try then, i'm not liking my current one PCTools FW and i've really been wanting to get rid of it.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: szc on September 02, 2007, 06:48:33 PM
I am using it last few days and it really does what's expected. No extra bells and whistles, just pure outbound protection. Don't need some application to call home without even noticing me. Nothing is leaving my puter if I don't want it to leave. Don't even know that's installed until you get one of those pop-ups (Allow/Deny connections) or until you take a look at the taskbar and see this unbelievable ugly icon... oh my God, couldn't they come up with something better than this ?!! And it's Vista, not XP anymore... haven't they heard that it's insanely easy to use alpha transparency on icons in Vista ?  ::) OK, some will always add that look is not important... umh... well, that simply isn't true.

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Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: YoKenny on March 15, 2009, 04:50:40 PM
I want to revive this topic as I have just started to use Vista Firewall Control Free and it is OK and from what I see it does provide outbound protection and warns if a new application wants out.

It is quite limited but its all I need.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: cod head on March 15, 2009, 06:41:44 PM
I have Vista Firewall Control YoKenny and I think it a good useful addition to give Vista a easily configureable outbound blocking firewall.This is how Microsoft should have made it in the first place IMHO.If you try Vista's own firewall with advanced security settings you will be configuring it for a very long time. ;).
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: DavidR on March 15, 2009, 07:29:30 PM
The problem being if MS came out with a good firewall pre-installed and with outbound protection. The makers of all other firewalls would have been screaming foul, anti-competitive practice and the EU would be up in arms again as they still are about windows media player (big fine).

By all accounts this is one of the reasons were you can disable IE8 in windows7 so it isn't the default browser (still installed though), to avoid possible anti-competitive practice suits.

So MS are damned if they do and damned if they don't, hence why outbound protection is a) disabled by default and b) not brilliant when enabled and why products like the Vista Firewall Control come about.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: polonus on March 15, 2009, 08:13:50 PM
Hi DavidR,

It is even worse, because of this a lot of users with Vista do not even think of installing a software firewall, because they have the "half" Windows fw, don't they? This is bad, also there are fw's that create problems running on vista, so that also make people decide to go surfing without one, making it even easier for some forms of malware to do what it pleases to do or do it unnoticed by the inbuilt Vista firewall. Again an extra minus for Microsoft where pro-active protection is concerned, and that is the only way to go now with all the online malware and scams, on the other hand I can see that the software giant  finds itself between a rock and a hard place where the question of bundled software is concerned, let us wait for the new avast fw to come out, and hope it is quite easy to get it installed onto vista,

polonus
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: DavidR on March 15, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
No different to XP users and their false sense of security in the XP firewall where the supposed firewall didn't have any outbound protection (disabled or otherwise) at all. Ignorance is bliss but dangerous if you do happen to get infected.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: polonus on March 15, 2009, 08:43:12 PM
Hi DavidR,

And no one to wake them up, if I had not visited these forums I had not been aware either of a lot of these  basic facts a user should be alerted to before going out onto the grim ever changing World Wide Web with a computer and apps, and most of the sleeping unaware are in for an experience that looks more like a bump ride or a  ghost alley roller coaster ride,

polonus
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: YoKenny on March 15, 2009, 08:45:47 PM
Hi DavidR,

It is even worse, because of this a lot of users with Vista do not even think of installing a software firewall, because they have the "half" Windows fw, don't they? This is bad, also there are fw's that create problems running on vista, so that also make people decide to go surfing without one, making it even easier for some forms of malware to do what it pleases to do or do it unnoticed by the inbuilt Vista firewall.

Oh dear I have to get up on my soap box again and espouse why I believe a software firewall is redundant and like wearing both a belt and suspenders on a pair of trousers.
I am talking about non built in software firewalls like ZoneAlarm or Comodo.

Please watch the video with Bruce Harrison who is a developer at Malwarebytes - the company who created Malwarebytes' MBAM:
http://www.revver.com/video/1118865/malwarebytes-developer-interview <== firewall discussion starts about 8 minutes into the video.

The whole video is well worth watching.

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let us wait for the new avast fw to come out, and hope it is quite easy to get it installed onto vista
I hope it is a feature that is selectable.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: DavidR on March 15, 2009, 09:35:49 PM
You are only going to fall of it ;D

Any malware that manages to get past your defences will have free reign to connect to the internet to either download more of the same, pass your personal data (sensitive or otherwise, user names, passwords, keylogger retrieved data, etc.) or open a backdoor to your computer, so outbound protection is essential.

These forums are full of instances of a) first day or undetected malware and b) said malware inviting along guests to the party.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: YoKenny on March 16, 2009, 01:51:32 PM
You are only going to fall of it ;D

Any malware that manages to get past your defences will have free reign to connect to the internet to either download more of the same, pass your personal data (sensitive or otherwise, user names, passwords, keylogger retrieved data, etc.) or open a backdoor to your computer, so outbound protection is essential.

These forums are full of instances of a) first day or undetected malware and b) said malware inviting along guests to the party.

I will be here Eating crow as the UK people say or eat some Humble pie as others say if that happens.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Mr.Agent on March 16, 2009, 07:57:10 PM
i think DavidR got a good point :)
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: polonus on March 16, 2009, 08:19:22 PM
Hi YoKenny,

Start mixing the crow with the pie, young ones that is, tastier than the humble variety.
Now what DavidR says only goes for certain types of malware, like backdoor trojans and file infector upon file infector, I have got this behaviour confirmed by the mods here,

pol
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: CharleyO on March 16, 2009, 10:19:28 PM
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And not all malware that can send out from your computer will be blocked by an inbound firewall since that is not how it got on a computer in the first place. Any cd, dvd, pen drive, sd card, etc can possible include malware that "calls home."

A computer really does need outbound protection.


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Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: bob3160 on March 17, 2009, 02:03:16 PM
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A computer really does need outbound protection.
Something already built into Vista and Vista Firewall Control makes this feature easy to manage. :)
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: CharleyO on March 17, 2009, 07:09:18 PM
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A computer really does need outbound protection.
Something already built into Vista and Vista Firewall Control makes this feature easy to manage. :)


Yes, of course it does, Bob. I was just agreeing with David and Polonus. Not all of us use Vista.


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Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: bob3160 on March 17, 2009, 11:20:26 PM
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Not all of us use Vista.
I believe that this thread referred specifically to the Vista Firewall.  ???
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: jimb11 on April 28, 2009, 02:10:48 AM
If you use the Vista Firewall Control can you turn off the built-in vista firewall?
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: DavidR on April 28, 2009, 02:20:20 AM
No, that is the whole point it makes it easier to 'control' the standard Vista Firewall, because the default interface isn't very user friendly.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: rdmaloyjr on April 28, 2009, 05:07:06 AM
If you use the Vista Firewall Control can you turn off the built-in vista firewall?

Vista Firewall Control isn't a firewall!!!

It's software to make the built-in Vista firewall easy to control, hence the name...."Vista Firewall Control".

If you use Vista Firewall Control & turn off the built-in Vista firewall you will not have any firewall protection.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: scythe944 on April 28, 2009, 06:13:10 AM
Look, you have a firewall, it comes with Vista.

It doesn't have many bells and whistles, so you can download Vista Firewall Control to add bells and whistles.

If you don't have the firewall turned on, your bells and whistles won't do a darn thing.

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If you use the Vista Firewall Control can you turn off the built-in vista firewall?

Obviously, with my explanation, it should make sense that you can't use a more configurable "control" program, if the thing that you are controlling isn't there.


rdmaloyjr had the right idea:
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Vista Firewall Control isn't a firewall!!!

It's software to make the built-in Vista firewall easy to control, hence the name...."Vista Firewall Control".

If you use Vista Firewall Control & turn off the built-in Vista firewall you will not have any firewall protection.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: YoKenny on April 28, 2009, 11:58:18 AM
Hi YoKenny,

Start mixing the crow with the pie, young ones that is, tastier than the humble variety.
Now what DavidR says only goes for certain types of malware, like backdoor trojans and file infector upon file infector, I have got this behaviour confirmed by the mods here,

pol

I'm getting hungry as I haven't been infected yet. 
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Bootchee on May 15, 2009, 10:29:45 AM
If you use the Vista Firewall Control can you turn off the built-in vista firewall?

Vista Firewall Control isn't a firewall!!!

It's software to make the built-in Vista firewall easy to control, hence the name...."Vista Firewall Control".

If you use Vista Firewall Control & turn off the built-in Vista firewall you will not have any firewall protection.

===========================================================================================

Hmmmmmmm......to say it bluntly, - SCYTHE844 - AND - RDMALOYJR - YOU ARE BOTH WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!     :o     :o     :o     :o
===========================================================================================

Here is a QUOTE from the Vista Firewall Control home site.............. (http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/faq.html)

VistaFirewallControl is completely based on Windows Filtering Platform (WFP), the security core introduced in Windows Vista
and does not install any third party kernel drivers.

The Built-in Firewall is based on the same WFP as well. The both products work entirely independently.

VistaFirewallControl uses the Built-in Firewall only once, at the first start to grab the initial settings.

Due to complete product independence you can switch the Built-in Firewall ON or OFF at your option.[/color][/font]


by the HARD-NOSED way you both decided to respond to jmb11, I better state that again.................

Due to complete product independence you can switch the Built-in Firewall ON or OFF at your option.[/color][/font]



@jmb11, please take note of this b4 u make your decision re: your question above.


Bootchee.      ;D    ;D    ;D


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Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Lisandro on May 15, 2009, 02:05:38 PM
SCYTHE844 - AND - RDMALOYJR - YOU ARE BOTH WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!
On contrary, seems that you're talking all the same. Vista Firewall Control isn't a firewall, just a control tool for the built in Vista firewall.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Bootchee on May 15, 2009, 05:19:34 PM
SCYTHE844 - AND - RDMALOYJR - YOU ARE BOTH WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!
On contrary, seems that you're talking all the same. Vista Firewall Control isn't a firewall, just a control tool for the built in Vista firewall.


Hi Tech, (if I woulda said hullo Tech, would that have been abbreviated to "'lo Tech"   har har)

I'm glad for your point of view because it led me to share this diagnosis........

jimb11 simply asked..... "If you use the Vista Firewall Control can you turn off the built-in vista firewall?"

davidr responds with... "No, that is the whole point it makes it easier to 'control' the standard Vista Firewall, because the default interface isn't very user friendly."

rdmaloyjr responds..... "Vista Firewall Control isn't a firewall!!!
                                It's software to make the built-in Vista firewall easy to control, hence the name...."Vista Firewall Control".
                                If you use Vista Firewall Control & turn off the built-in Vista firewall you will not have any firewall protection.

scythe944 says......... "Look, you have a firewall, it comes with Vista.
                                It doesn't have many bells and whistles, so you can download Vista Firewall Control to add bells and whistles.
                                If you don't have the firewall turned on, your bells and whistles won't do a darn thing.
                                Obviously, with my explanation, it should make sense that you can't use a more configurable "control" program, if the thing that you are controlling isn't there.
                                rdmaloyjr had the right idea

I quoted..(in part)...... "SCYTHE844 - AND - RDMALOYJR - YOU ARE BOTH WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!
                                Here is a QUOTE from the Vista Firewall Control home site.............. (http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/faq.html)
                                VistaFirewallControl is completely based on Windows Filtering Platform (WFP), and does not install any third party kernel drivers.
                                The Built-in Firewall is based on the same WFP as well. The both products work entirely independently.
                                VistaFirewallControl uses the Built-in Firewall only once, at the first start to grab the initial settings.
                                Due to complete product independence,
                                you can switch the Built-in Firewall ON or OFF at your option. (after you install VistaFirewallControl)

then you state.......... "On contrary, seems that you're talking all the same. Vista Firewall Control isn't a firewall, just a control tool for the built in Vista firewall.


I can't agree with what you just said............ IF I TAKE ALL THE RESPONSES INTO ONE CONTEXT.
(that's why I decided to quote all these responses into just this one post)

Let me put together, my way, parts of the quote I got from thier website..............

VistaFirewallControl works entirely independently.
VistaFirewallControl does not install any third party kernel drivers.
VistaFirewallControl uses the Built-in Firewall only once, at the first start to grab the initial settings.
Due to complete product independence you can switch the Built-in Firewall ON or OFF at your option.


So, once installed, VistaFirewallControl "works independently", allowing you to choose to switch the Built-in Firewall ON or OFF at your option.

Now, because VistaFirewallControl allows me to ENABLE ALL, DISABLE ALL, or "JUST THIS TIME", etc. and allows me to control ALL outbound & inbound data.....

That would indicate that "for all intents and purposes" that VistaFirewallControl qualifies as a firewall.


For about ten years I used ZoneAlarm Pro. Worked, no great issues. Version 7 (I think) was so buggy I jumped ship.
For about six months I used the OUTPOST PRO (pay) firewall. Worked, no great issues but being a techie was almost a pre-requisite !!!!!!!!!!! (for utmost protection)
For about a year now I have been using COMODO + ONLINE ARMOR FIRWALLs. Worked SUPERB, but you HAVE TO BE A TECHIE !!!!!!! (for utmost protection)

BUT I SPENT SO MUCH TIME ANSWERING QUESTIONS FOR THESE FIREWALLS !!!!!!!!!!!
(I own and operate a computer parts/service business so I want to keep my clients and personal data and database secure at all times)

For about a month now I have used VistaFirewallControl and it has (IMHO) LITERALLY performed EQUALLY WELL AS ANY OF THE OTHERS.....

and the BIGGEST BONUS FOR ME is that (thankfully) I only have had to "answer" a COUPLE questions a day.



Jeez, although Comodo was truly excellent, I became to despise it's (seemed like) ONE HUNDRED REQESTS PER DAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ONE EXAMPLE, WHILE I USED ALL OF THE ABOVE FIREWALLS................... (VistaFirewallControl EXCLUDED)


My anti-virus program, Avira Premium Security Suite (without the firewall installed) creates folders for EACH item that its
WebGuard and MailGuard components perceive as NEW ADDITIONS to its database, EVERY DAY.

All the firewalls I've used REQUEST my approval of said folder creations. Sometimes 20+ per day.
Drove me nuts.


Well, VistaFirewallControl allows Avira to create folders for its components WITHOUT my input each time.
(Just the initial request per component)

Although, mind you, VistaFirewallControl does catch if any other component wants to do anything further,
as well as it does offer me to allow permissions "PER TIME" vs "ENABLE ALL".

So far, I truly believe VistaFirewallControl is a WINNER.

At least for EASE OF USE.


I am however, still trying to research as to why it has not been submitted to Matousic (or any others) for testing.
(take a look at how YOUR firewall is rated - http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php)

I would have no problem to dump it if substantiated data suggests that I do.

Quite simply, though, WHAT A BREATH OF FRESH AIR for me after so darn long having put up with INPUT AFTER INPUT
AFTER INPUT AFTER INPUT, with the others.


Maybe or maybe not as secure as the others, but come on, if'n I or you are singled out by some virus or malware,
I am ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that Avira Anti-Virus products ARE and SHALL REMAIN at the forefront of PROTECTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If anyone can direct me to ANY reviews or testing articles with regards to VistaFirewallControl, PLEASE do.

At this point, I'm still contemplating if I wish to pay them for what seems to me the only plus in VistaFirewallControlPLUS which is
the feature that I would be able to sort my firewall choices by ZONES and categories rather that viewing only one single
column width list, such as I now see while i'm using the FREE version.

Anyway, sorry for turning this into a novel, but I just gots 'ta say what I gots 'ta say !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am serious, if ANYONE can suggest PRO or CON for VistaFirewallControl I would TRULY appreciate you to take the time to let all of us know.

Finally, if ANYONE has paid for the PLUS version, PLEASE share with us what is WORTH paying for.


enjoy the long weekend,

                                    Bootchee    ;D     ;D     ;D     ;D     ;D     ;D     ;D     ;D     ;D

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*** just a note to say that I choose not to use the firewall that comes with the Avira Premium Security Suite because
      Matousic rated it so poorly, take a look - http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php

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Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: YoKenny on May 16, 2009, 01:07:06 AM
Bootchee
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Finally, if ANYONE has paid for the PLUS version, PLEASE share with us what is WORTH paying for.
exile360 has the PLUS version.

Windows 7 & Vista Firewall Control by Sphinx Software
http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12832

They have their own forum:
http://vistafirewallcontrol.freeforums.org
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: scythe944 on May 18, 2009, 05:24:17 AM
I was under the impression that the vista firewall control just controlled exactly what was there in the first place.

Maybe I'm wrong, (wouldn't be the first time I guess, but I'm not afraid to admit it).  I just thought it was a third-party app that controlled more of what was already there.

Kudos for you if you did more research than I.  I didn't read what articles YoKenny posted, quite frankly because I feel lazy tonight.  I might do so later.  So, YoKenny, do the links that you provided help us believe that the vista firewall control provide a different program altogether, or does it control what's already there, included by Vista?
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: YoKenny on May 18, 2009, 12:13:00 PM
I was under the impression that the vista firewall control just controlled exactly what was there in the first place.

Maybe I'm wrong, (wouldn't be the first time I guess, but I'm not afraid to admit it).  I just thought it was a third-party app that controlled more of what was already there.

Kudos for you if you did more research than I.  I didn't read what articles YoKenny posted, quite frankly because I feel lazy tonight.  I might do so later.  So, YoKenny, do the links that you provided help us believe that the vista firewall control provide a different program altogether, or does it control what's already there, included by Vista?

I am quite impressed with Vista Firewall Control and I am now a member of their new forum and it has so much to offer that I am only scratching the surface of what it can do.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Lisandro on May 18, 2009, 01:53:14 PM
I was under the impression that the vista firewall control just controlled exactly what was there in the first place.

Maybe I'm wrong, (wouldn't be the first time I guess, but I'm not afraid to admit it).  I just thought it was a third-party app that controlled more of what was already there.

Kudos for you if you did more research than I.  I didn't read what articles YoKenny posted, quite frankly because I feel lazy tonight.  I might do so later.  So, YoKenny, do the links that you provided help us believe that the vista firewall control provide a different program altogether, or does it control what's already there, included by Vista?
scythe, Vista firewall has its capabilities, but it does not offer a GUI to manage the connections. Also, the outbound control, although possible, it's for advanced users. Maybe M$ is working with caution to not get into another antitrust process, this time from firewall manufacturers.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Bootchee on May 19, 2009, 01:20:55 AM
scythe, Vista firewall has its capabilities, but it does not offer a GUI to manage the connections. Also, the outbound control, although possible, it's for advanced users. Maybe M$ is working with caution to not get into another antitrust process, this time from firewall manufacturers.

Tech,

Maybe I could offer a tad bit more data because I don't agree with your statement that it's for advanced users and
that it does not offer a GUI to manage connections.

Here are a couple positive (precisely intact) user comments that have been publicly posted here and there
on the internet that we should share and consider, since all these users have experience with the program.

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Strengths: I love this program. I have the free version. It was simple to set up and very user friendly. Quite literally, it takes care of itself and very easy to manage. It passed the Shields Up test. Need I say more?
Weaknesses: None as of yet.
Overall Evaluation: This program is perfect for those who are not advanced in computer knowledge.
====================
Strengths: This program does what Microsoft didn't. That is it allows full outbound protection, as well as inbound. Microsoft decided to ship Vista, even Ultimate which is what i am running, with the firewall only protecting the inbound traffic, even though the firewall is capable of protecting both directions. Other programs available might be able to do the same thing, but they are cumbersome, and difficult to setup and manage. This program takes care of all that for you.
Weaknesses: None yet.
Overall Evaluation: There is a free version availalbe, so you have nothing to lose by trying it.
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Strengths: Simple interface and user friendly program that meets its designed intent.
Weaknesses: Compatibility - None to date.
Overall Evaluation: A very nice and capable program for approving on outbound traffic. The Plus version provides additional and welcome user configurable options for those with more advanced requirements. Well done Sphinx!
====================

I do notice that contrary to your comment about this program being for experienced users, these people suggest the opposite.

I am now getting a fair bit of experience with VisatFirewallControl myself and am actually looking forward to the MORE in-depth control
that the pay version may offer. This free version TRULY IS simple and easy to control.

As far as when you state that this program DOES NOT OFFER a GUI, I can only assure you that I am using it's GUI, I do not at all
even wish to use from the command line such as others may wish to do. I like easy.


Of interest to me is that statement above from one of the user comments where it states that VistaFirewallControl even passes
Shields Up !!!!! That is the kind of meat and potato justification for which I am looking for before I will pay THIRTY BUX for the full version !!!!!!

I guess I am apprehensive as to why the Sphinx Software company don't submit it to Matousic (or elsewhere) for testing.

If anyone has any data to share with that regard I would truly appreciate to read it.


.                  Bootchee.


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Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: DavidR on May 19, 2009, 01:30:58 AM
I would lay odds that if the free Vista firewall was one that was comparable with commercial firewalls to the point that it took large amounts of market share the EU if not US anti-trust would be all over them like a rash.

I'm sure there are lots of things that MS would like to do which have to be constrained by these anti-trust/monopoly issues.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: YoKenny on May 19, 2009, 01:59:50 AM
I would lay odds that if the free Vista firewall was one that was comparable with commercial firewalls to the point that it took large amounts of market share the EU if not US anti-trust would be all over them like a rash. 

I'm sure there are lots of things that MS would like to do which have to be constrained by these anti-trust/monopoly issues.
I guess:
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090517
 
I am  going to purchase the Plus update by 28th of this month.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: DavidR on May 19, 2009, 02:29:42 AM
Yep, MS are still smarting from the EUs last assault on their funds and that was only for a lowly media player.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: bob3160 on May 20, 2009, 01:21:41 AM
Yep, MS are still smarting from the EUs last assault on their funds and that was only for a lowly media player.
Maybe MS should pull out of the EU market and see what the reaction of the general public would be......
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: DavidR on May 20, 2009, 02:42:29 AM
Not much, those that already have it wouldn't be buying any more MS products if they can't get the OS they are hardly going to by Office, etc.

I somehow doubt MS would do that as their bank balance would take an almighty hit as the EU must represent a large part of their profit. By comparison the EU would also have a lower piracy percentage than many other areas and that my end up changing for the worse or give people the push they need towards Linux. So should they do it, I believe they would be shooting themselves in the foot.

They may even find that they still get hit with suits from third party software designers that would also be unable to sell their products ;D
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Confused Computer User on May 24, 2009, 04:06:09 AM
I've used this program for a while with no issues so far. It seems to know/indicate if something tries to make an outbound connection so I'm happy. No hassle with third party firewalls.

However form this thread I take it there are issues. So I have a few question if anyone is willing to clear up my Confusion.

1. The program its self is nothing but an interface, not an actual Firewall. Right?

2. If by some freak accident a virus decides to attack this specific program, what can you do? Some of the other firewalls have built in systems to prevent their termination. Does the Vista Firewall Control have the same security.

3. If a program sneaks-in through the firewall, what stops it from sneaking out? (apart from Avast or other AV or AS programs)

That's it so far. ???
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Marc57 on May 24, 2009, 04:17:04 AM
I've used this program for a while with no issues so far. It seems to know/indicate if something tries to make an outbound connection so I'm happy. No hassle with third party firewalls.

However form this thread I take it there are issues. So I have a few question if anyone is willing to clear up my Confusion.

1. The program its self is nothing but an interface, not an actual Firewall. Right?

2. If by some freak accident a virus decides to attack this specific program, what can you do? Some of the other firewalls have built in systems to prevent their termination. Does the Vista Firewall Control have the same security.

3. If a program sneaks-in through the firewall, what stops it from sneaking out? (apart from Avast or other AV or AS programs)

That's it so far. ???

1. Right

2.UAC should alert if something tries to shut off the firewall

Vista's outbound control should alert you if something tries to "phone home"
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Confused Computer User on May 24, 2009, 04:26:01 AM
Thanks for the quick reply Marc57.

2.UAC should alert if something tries to shut off the firewall

true but I am not worried about the firewall it's self rather than the Vista Firewall Control. Since it's the one that activates Vista's firewall out-bound protection, wouldn't shutting it down but leaving the firewall on allow a Trojan to essentially gain access outside.
I say this because that was the initial problem. We Use this control panel to activate the Out-bound protection. What happens when we take this out of the equation?

Thanks again for the reply.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: YoKenny on May 24, 2009, 05:50:33 AM
I've used this program for a while with no issues so far. It seems to know/indicate if something tries to make an outbound connection so I'm happy. No hassle with third party firewalls.

However form this thread I take it there are issues. So I have a few question if anyone is willing to clear up my Confusion.

1. The program its self is nothing but an interface, not an actual Firewall. Right?

2. If by some freak accident a virus decides to attack this specific program, what can you do? Some of the other firewalls have built in systems to prevent their termination. Does the Vista Firewall Control have the same security.

3. If a program sneaks-in through the firewall, what stops it from sneaking out? (apart from Avast or other AV or AS programs)

That's it so far. ???

1. Right

Wrong.

Read the FAQ
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Vista Firewall Control and the Built-in Firewall

Vista Firewall Control is completely based on Windows Filtering Platform (WFP), the security core introduced in Windows Vista and does not install any third party kernel drivers. The Built-in Firewall is based on the same WFP as well. The both products work entirely independently. Vista Firewall Control uses the Built-in Firewall only once, at the first start to grab the initial settings. Due to complete product independence you can switch the Built-in Firewall ON or OFF at your option.   
http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/faq.html
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Confused Computer User on May 24, 2009, 03:33:37 PM
@YoKenny
thanks for the correction, but it's weird that something so small can do all that. :o

So now, what about the previous question?

Thanks for the quick reply Marc57.

2.UAC should alert if something tries to shut off the firewall

true but I am not worried about the firewall it's self rather than the Vista Firewall Control. Since it's the one that activates Vista's firewall out-bound protection, wouldn't shutting it down but leaving the firewall on allow a Trojan to essentially gain access outside.
I say this because that was the initial problem. We Use this control panel to activate the Out-bound protection. What happens when we take this out of the equation?

Thanks again for the reply.

cheers
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: YoKenny on May 24, 2009, 11:23:11 PM
@YoKenny
thanks for the correction, but it's weird that something so small can do all that. :o
What makes you think that it is small?

The setup.exe is over 2MB.

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So now, what about the previous question?

Thanks for the quick reply Marc57.

2.UAC should alert if something tries to shut off the firewall

true but I am not worried about the firewall it's self rather than the Vista Firewall Control. Since it's the one that activates Vista's firewall out-bound protection, wouldn't shutting it down but leaving the firewall on allow a Trojan to essentially gain access outside.
I say this because that was the initial problem. We Use this control panel to activate the Out-bound protection. What happens when we take this out of the equation?

Thanks again for the reply.

cheers

Go back and read Bootchee's post and read on.

Read their forum:
http://vistafirewallcontrol.freeforums.org
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Confused Computer User on May 25, 2009, 03:14:55 AM
Thanks YoKenny and apologies for not reading the thread more carefully.

As you pointed out Bootchee's post cleared thing out.

@Bootchee
Thank you for your contribution to this thread. Your posts answered my concerns

Cheers.
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Bootchee on May 26, 2009, 06:07:08 AM
Thanks YoKenny and apologies for not reading the thread more carefully.

As you pointed out Bootchee's post cleared thing out.

@Bootchee
Thank you for your contribution to this thread. Your posts answered my concerns

Cheers.


I am very pleased that my contributions have been helpful.

I do kinda think that most all of us quite rightly agree that this REALLY seems to be a
program worth buying..................

but....................

all we need is some feedback from someone who has already purchased and used this program.

Since (once installed) this program DOES NOT NEED OR USE the built in vista firewall,
we plainly are pre-sold on its merits.

Now, to get confirmation as to what benefits the pay program has to offer,
BASED UPON FEEDBACK FROM A USER...... NOT from their advertisements.

At this point, I personally cannot see the (singular, I think) benefit of being able to
"categorize" the programs that I control with VistaFirewallControl being worth paying for.

If the pay part was to include something MORE of substance, I AWAIT TO BE INFORMED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One BONUS I can share with you all since my last post is that since I allowed this program to
"enable all" for my anti-viruse program, it HAS NOT PESTERED ME FOR MORE INPUTS, WAHOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You see, prior to installing VistaFirewallControl I was using Comodo. (Really, a seriously GOOD firewall.)
Comodo asked me to approve my anti-virus request to make a new folder where it temporarily stored
a bit of data about a file I was downloading. I approved it.

Then, my anti-virus had need to create ANOTHER temporary folder for data about ANOTHER similar issue.

Etcetera, etcetera, ETCETERA, blah blah blah....................   over and over and over.
Probably, to be real, three times a day, EVERY DAY.

I just plainly got tired of it so I began to search for a firewall that would NOT PHONE HOME, nor would it
ask me REDUNTANTLY for every silly request.

By that I mean, if my anti-virus wants to create temp folders for whatever it feels necesary, I want to
APPROVE the folder being created in a cetain spot, AND ALL FUTURE SIMILAR create requests,
SO LONG AS THEY ARE IN THE SAME LOCATION, and VistaFirewallControl controls PRECISELY THAT.

I am a happy camper.

My only hang up is that the FREE edition (to me) SEEMS TO OFFER EVERYTHING I was looking for,
and if'n that's true, WHOOPEEEE, I don't need more.

but.....................(again)

I guess the "what's in it for me" question has risen within myself and I will have no problem to PAY for
more........................IF there's more for "ME".

I look forward to following this GREAT INFORMATIONAL thread.



.                    Bootchee     ;D     ::)     ;D


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Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: YoKenny on May 27, 2009, 03:30:27 AM
I am using the Plus update and I am not impressed.

1. It does not support my DSL router
2. It takes ages to get it to quit asking me if my trusted applications are OK
3. Their forum is not active yet as they have few members
4. I question the value of a software firewall on a well protected system

Please review the excellent video of the discussion about malware prevention:
http://www.besttechie.net/2008/08/20/malwarebytes-developer-interview <== software firewall discussion starts about 8 minutes into the video

See the discussion about Comodo:
http://hphosts.blogspot.com/2009/05/oh-comodo-here-we-go-again.html
http://hphosts.blogspot.com/2009/05/comodo-one-of-good-guys.html
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: blegs38552 on May 28, 2009, 02:04:14 AM
I am using this with Windows 7 RC. Aside from the annoying sound when the program needs to be updated for a new app, the free version fills my needs completely. Right now, I am running Avira free anti virus, VFC, and Windows Defender on this partition (I also have Windows VISTA with Norton IS 2009 on a separate partition). Unless I have a firm reason to think otherwise, I plan to use the combination for VISTA when my NIS subscription expires.

There seem to be some people who think that a software firewall is unnecessary.  Perhaps they are right, but I see no reason to take any chances, especially for the price.

Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: Lisandro on May 28, 2009, 02:44:33 PM
I am using this with Windows 7 RC. Aside from the annoying sound when the program needs to be updated for a new app, the free version fills my needs completely.
You can configure avast to make no sounds, no panels, update silently...
avast is one of the most configurable antivirus round ;)
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: bob3160 on May 29, 2009, 12:27:51 AM
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Unless I have a firm reason to think otherwise, I plan to use the combination for VISTA when my NIS subscription expires.
There seem to be some people who think that a software firewall is unnecessary.  Perhaps they are right, but I see no reason to take any chances, especially for the price.
Why wait ?? Make sure you totally remove your old AV before you avast! or any other AV. This may help:
http://mysharedfiles.no-ip.org/TipsTricksFreeware/How2InstallAvast.html (http://mysharedfiles.no-ip.org/TipsTricksFreeware/How2InstallAvast.html)

Vista comes with a built in firewall why not usit it for now?

Welcome to the forum.  :)

Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: CHORIFACE on July 25, 2009, 08:36:32 PM
hOLA, ACABO DE COMPRAR UNA LAPTOP Y VIENE CON WINDOWS VISTA STRATED, LE INSTALE EL AVAST HOME EDITION PERO EL FIREWALL NO LO PUEDO CONECTAR.
PFV NECESITO AYUDA PARA INSTALARLO, NO QIUERO CONECTARME A INTERNET HASTA SABER QUE ES LO QUE HA PASADO.
GACIAS POR LA AYUDA. ???
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: tkrbrian on July 26, 2009, 12:39:15 PM
hi guys i am new to this forum and i love avast :) i am going to try vista firewall control soon and i will let you guys know for now i just want to say hi......... ;D
Title: Re: Vista Firewall Control
Post by: CharleyO on July 26, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
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Please come back often and learn more.


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