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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: timcan on November 03, 2007, 12:08:22 AM
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topic says it all according to matousec :D
http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tests-results.php (http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tests-results.php)
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Well that is a surprisingly recent set of results, Outpost Firewall Pro 2008 has only just been released. I have a lifetime membership for Outpost Pro but I will be waiting for a little while and monitoring the outpostfirewall.com forums to see how people get on and if there are any bugs that need ironed out.
Outpost Firewall Pro 2008 is Vista compatible and by all accounts has been built from the ground up not an update to version 4.0, hence the jump to version 6.0, bering that in mind I will most certainly wait a while before upgrading.
Whilst Comodo may not be on top spot it still does well and any that come in a excellent or very good would do a commendable job. However these tests are only leak test scores and there are other things to consider.
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However these tests are only leak test scores and there are other things to consider.
Maybe David is referring to this...
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=29259.msg247460#msg247460
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Why are they testing BlackICE? its been discontinued now
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Well it is really a similar case with Outpost free it may still be available but it hasn't had any development in years. So naturally its results were pants, technical speak for rubbish.
Even though BlackICE is discontinued and didn't fair very well but still managed to bet some that are still in development even Norton ISS and McAfee ISS, ZA Free, etc.
Sygate is another that is no longer in development and probably some others that I don't know about
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I don't care about this test... Online Armour screwed my PC so bad I was ready to hunt for developers ;D Thank God for Norton Ghost, I restored my system image I've made prior to installing (read: testing) this POS firewall. Ugh...
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I tested OA and , i came back to COMODO. A lot of explorer(not IE) errors.
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I bet when Comodo releases version 3 that Comodo will be back on top :)
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I have just installed OA and it looks great . Setup was easy and uncomplicated and its features are well over and above that of CPF.
I guess its still in development mode but what i have installed seems stable.
what i really like is the capacity to run programs that may have vulnerabilities in a reduced permissions mode
SAFER MODE
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I bet when Comodo releases version 3 that Comodo will be back on top :)
Does it really matter to be top of the heap, being a competent firewall and ease of use etc. as far as I'm concerned are more important. For years I have been happy to use Outpost pro when it was getting slagged off at matousec, did I jump ship no because it is a competent firewall.
Now Outpost Pro 2008 is equal top of the heap, am I rushing out to download and update my version 4.x just so I have the top of the heap firewall. No, I will be waiting patiently for the other guinea pigs to discover any hiccups/glitches/bugs, etc. and have them resolved before I update even though I have a life-time license.
This version of the firewall was built from the ground up so I guess it is likely to have some issues, I would be surprised if it didn't even with sever thousand involved in the beta testing.
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Originally Posted by bob3160
When will you have a Free version available which is Vista compatible and, passes all the usual assortment of tests ?
Not really sure - I'd like to see how we go with OA before I commit to a date on the Vista release
Here's the latest answer I received on the Wilders forum.
The last time I tried this firewall on my XP, I got the same results a Sasha.
Good thing I had way to GoBack. ;D
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I bet when Comodo releases version 3 that Comodo will be back on top :)
Does it really matter to be top of the heap, being a competent firewall and ease of use etc. as far as I'm concerned are more important. For years I have been happy to use Outpost pro when it was getting slagged off at matousec, did I jump ship no because it is a competent firewall.
Now Outpost Pro 2008 is equal top of the heap, am I rushing out to download and update my version 4.x just so I have the top of the heap firewall. No, I will be waiting patiently for the other guinea pigs to discover any hiccups/glitches/bugs, etc. and have them resolved before I update even though I have a life-time license.
This version of the firewall was built from the ground up so I guess it is likely to have some issues, I would be surprised if it didn't even with sever thousand involved in the beta testing.
Hey David,
Yes I agree with you, ease of use and functionality matters most. However most people do not look at these charts like this, they see a Firewall in 1st place passing all leaktests and they think it is the best.
Outpost, or Comodo for that matter I am sure will both have their ups and downs, but if you like the software and it serves your purpose there is no need to change.
Justin
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Justin,
I decided to used Comodo and it very light weight on system resource for XP, I am please to see the new version of Comodo Firewall 3 when it release......... ;D
Justin do you have an idea and how long in the time frame of Comodo Beta stage to be release the final stage, and their are some people in here are experiencing a lot of problem with the version 3 Beta the latest of Comobo Firewall running on Vista.....ask Tech in here.
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Justin,
I decided to used Comodo and it very light weight on system resource for XP, I am please to see the new version of Comodo Firewall 3 when it release......... ;D
Justin do you have an idea and how long in the time frame of Comodo Beta stage to be release the final stage, and their are some people in here are experiencing a lot of problem with the version 3 Beta the latest of Comobo Firewall running on Vista.....ask Tech in here.
Sorry they haven't told us a release date yet, hopefully sometime this year, if not then early next year.
I'm running the latest beta in Vista Ultimate 32 bit, I haven't had any issues with it, but others have, so the next release (which will be a release candidate) will be focusing mainly on bug fixes. So it is safe to assume that all features in the current beta are the features that will be in the final release.
If I find out a date then I will post it here if I can (sometimes they will tell us but will ask us to keep it quite)
Justin
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so the next release (which will be a release candidate) will be focusing mainly on bug fixes.
Good to know, because the latest three betas haven't walked one single step behind on the network driver install failure on my Vista 32bits. Still not a 'final' answer from the Comodo forum... just reporting, reporting, reporting, reporting...
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topic says it all according to matousec :D
Why doesn't he test Vista firewall? Seems to have been a lot of improvements to XP SP2 one...
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Speaking of Vista i wanted to try this Online Armor firewall but it appears that it doesn't do Vista yet. Anyone know if they plan to release a Vista compatible firewall anytime soon ?
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Speaking of Vista i wanted to try this Online Armor firewall but it appears that it doesn't do Vista yet. Anyone know if they plan to release a Vista compatible firewall anytime soon ?
PCTools does not like my hardware and does not install with the software I have.
Comodo was worse than that.
I just stay with Vista firewall and I'm managing the advanced options, blocking some applications that phone home. Seems that I'll stay with Vista protecting my inbound (all) and outbound (the ones I've set).
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Speaking of Vista i wanted to try this Online Armor firewall but it appears that it doesn't do Vista yet. Anyone know if they plan to release a Vista compatible firewall anytime soon ?
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=31276.msg259953#msg259953 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=31276.msg259953#msg259953) :)
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Thanks Bob, should've read the thread more carefully. ;)
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so the next release (which will be a release candidate) will be focusing mainly on bug fixes.
Good to know, because the latest three betas haven't walked one single step behind on the network driver install failure on my Vista 32bits. Still not a 'final' answer from the Comodo forum... just reporting, reporting, reporting, reporting...
Strange, do you happen to have a screenshot?
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Strange, do you happen to have a screenshot?
I've posted there more than 10 screenshots...
Here are the ones of the 'installed' system that does not work...
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Strange
I don't feel it strange... when we really need help... Comodo forum could let you down.
More screenshots. Everything is there but the network firewall is not working, i.e., the firewall does not send any request for connecting... everything is allowed :P
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so the next release (which will be a release candidate) will be focusing mainly on bug fixes.
Good to know, because the latest three betas haven't walked one single step behind on the network driver install failure on my Vista 32bits. Still not a 'final' answer from the Comodo forum... just reporting, reporting, reporting, reporting...
Strange, do you happen to have a screenshot?
Justin1278,
As a Mod on the Comodo Forum, why not simply refer to his post on that forum?
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topic says it all according to matousec :D
Why doesn't he test Vista firewall? Seems to have been a lot of improvements to XP SP2 one...
For comments, suggestions and corrections regarding this website:
E-mail: webmaster@matousec.com
I suppose if enough people requested he might.
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Tech, I'm sorry you are having these issues, have you tried running the diagnostics tool?
Justin1278,
As a Mod on the Comodo Forum, why not simply refer to his post on that forum?
The forum is having software issues which is preventing some users from logging in at certain times, unfortunately I am one of those users having issues and I cannot login, if I could then I would most definitely do this :'(
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Tech, I'm sorry you are having these issues, have you tried running the diagnostics tool?
It tells me it's 'not under the proper folder' (the tool run by the main window).
The tool invoked by the settings tab tries to install the network driver again. Shows me a Windows Vista incompatibility (driver not signed), I go ahead and install the driver. Does not work.
The forum is having software issues which is preventing some users from logging in at certain times, unfortunately I am one of those users having issues and I cannot login
I cannot believe that a Moderator cannot login...
if I could then I would most definitely do this :'(
It's on the messed '32bit bug report board'...
here (https://forums.comodo.com/32_bit_bug_reports/cpf_3010238_beta_32bit_bug_reports-t14004.0.html;msg99540#msg99540) and here (https://forums.comodo.com/32_bit_bug_reports/cpf_3010238_beta_32bit_bug_reports-t14004.0.html;msg99518#msg99518).
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I can't log into their forum either, :'(
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I can't log into their forum either :'(
Sometimes it's difficult to think good things about being helped on forums...
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I can't log into their forum either, :'(
Where do you can't log??
I can log in COMODO forums without problems
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Tech, I'm sorry you are having these issues, have you tried running the diagnostics tool?
It tells me it's 'not under the proper folder' (the tool run by the main window).
The tool invoked by the settings tab tries to install the network driver again. Shows me a Windows Vista incompatibility (driver not signed), I go ahead and install the driver. Does not work.
The forum is having software issues which is preventing some users from logging in at certain times, unfortunately I am one of those users having issues and I cannot login
I cannot believe that a Moderator cannot login...
if I could then I would most definitely do this :'(
It's on the messed '32bit bug report board'...
here (https://forums.comodo.com/32_bit_bug_reports/cpf_3010238_beta_32bit_bug_reports-t14004.0.html;msg99540#msg99540) and here (https://forums.comodo.com/32_bit_bug_reports/cpf_3010238_beta_32bit_bug_reports-t14004.0.html;msg99518#msg99518).
Hey Tech,
Ok thanks, now which version of Vista are you using (e.g. 64 bit or 32 bit)?
Justin
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Ok thanks, now which version of Vista are you using (e.g. 64 bit or 32 bit)?
Vista Business 32bits on a HP Compaq nx6320 notebook.
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Ok thanks, now which version of Vista are you using (e.g. 64 bit or 32 bit)?
Vista Business 32bits on a HP Compaq nx6320 notebook.
Hey Tech,
Thanks for the information, I have gone ahead and forwarded this information to the Comodo development team, hopefully this will be fixed in the next pre-release.
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You see Tech Justin is looking after you mate ;D and this should be over soon..............well maybe ???
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Thanks for the information, I have gone ahead and forwarded this information to the Comodo development team, hopefully this will be fixed in the next pre-release.
Justin, I have no words to thank you.
Comodo worths and I know that.
It will be good that we - all - could receive this kind of help (fast, kindly, complete...) in their forum. I don't want an advantage over other users, I want a better support. I understand that to make the forum 'clean' they merge the threads into a big 'bug thread', but it's difficult to follow and the contact with the developers is not as easy for all users. You have a higher status there so this is allowed to you, I'm a newbie there :'(
Thanks again for your help and time.
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Thanks for the information, I have gone ahead and forwarded this information to the Comodo development team, hopefully this will be fixed in the next pre-release.
Justin, I have no words to thank you.
Comodo worths and I know that.
It will be good that we - all - could receive this kind of help (fast, kindly, complete...) in their forum. I don't want an advantage over other users, I want a better support. I understand that to make the forum 'clean' they merge the threads into a big 'bug thread', but it's difficult to follow and the contact with the developers is not as easy for all users. You have a higher status there so this is allowed to you, I'm a newbie there :'(
Thanks again for your help and time.
Tech, don't worry about it, it was my pleasure. Bug reporting for beta products is a busy time but the developers do get all of the bugs that are reported as developers get a copy of all the reported bugs in the bug reports topic. It can be difficult to fix the bug because they must first figure out what is causing it, reproduce it, then fix it, so some bug fixes can take some time. I am sure that even without my help the bug would have been fixed, but at least this way we know that the Comodo team can begin working on a fix ;)
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Bug reporting for beta products is a busy time
I know this very well...
1. Vista Business 32bits on HP Compaq nx 6320 laptop and 3Gb of RAM.
2. I connect both wireless (at work) and wired (at home).
3. I've tried to install Comodo more than 10 times. 1st beta never installed the network driver. Then I've moved to PCTools firewall. Do not like as it is a branded firewall. I'd rather Comodo.
4. On the second beta (I can't remember the number versions themselves) the same. I was instructed in Comodo forums to install in Safe Mode. Nothing.
5. I've tried to uninstall all the security programs I have: AVGas, AVG antirootkit, TrendMicro antirootkit, a-squared, SpywareTerminator, SuperAntispyware, SpywareBlaster, all of them on-demand. Removed PeerGuardian and K9 filter also. I've uninstalled Spybot and TeaTimer (as residents). I've kept WinPatrol and avast running. They won't mess, for sure, the Comodo installation. But no luck.
6. Then I've installed everything again and wait for the third beta. Tried, no way, the network driver does not install. Uninstall all the security again (as step 5). No way.
7. Install everything again, lost hours... and give up.
The screenshots were posted in my posts in Comodo forums.
The files are installed, the driver is listed on the hidden devices on Device manager... should work, but don't.
It can be difficult to fix the bug because they must first figure out what is causing it, reproduce it, then fix it, so some bug fixes can take some time.
The strange is that there isn't a bug report that collects info, or even an installation log to get the info for this.
I am sure that even without my help the bug would have been fixed, but at least this way we know that the Comodo team can begin working on a fix ;)
I wish I have a friend there, an insider 8)
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I wish I have a friend there, an insider 8)
Ya, that would make things much easier I'm sure ;D
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Despite all the naysayers I have always said Matousec rocks.
And i never fancied Comodo anyway cos leak tests are really only one (small) component anyway.
Whether it is no 1 or not does not affect my evaluation of it , one way or the other.
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Despite all the naysayers I have always said Matousec rocks.
And i never fancied Comodo anyway cos leak tests are really only one (small) component anyway.
Whether it is no 1 or not does not affect my evaluation of it , one way or the other.
Yes Lusher, some of us at the Comodo Forums know about this first hand... ;D
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Despite all the naysayers I have always said Matousec rocks.
And i never fancied Comodo anyway cos leak tests are really only one (small) component anyway.
Whether it is no 1 or not does not affect my evaluation of it , one way or the other.
Yes Lusher, some of us at the Comodo Forums know about this first hand... ;D
Yes i recognise you too, comodo fanboy (the way you are so proud that you are an insider at comodo pretty much pins you down). ;D
Honestly the problem with comodo is this blind faith that they are perfect or that everything they do is innovative or new.
Just try to contradict one of them and raise a word of caution and you get silenced. As a few posters have pointed out, I was perfectly correct on the facts, you comodo fanboys just couldn't stand hearing the truth. I got attacked for being a guy who clearly doesn't get it, or is against new hips methods, an absurd charge given that I'm the AUTHOR of the perhaps the most referenced pages on the web about such technologies. Heck even you comodo fanboys link to the pages i created about HIPS when talking about HIPS features... lol...
There is no security pancea, every approach has flaws.. even your whitelisting process (which isn't even close to being new)... Just saying that drives you fanboys mad, and I wonder why...
And of course pointing out that your CEO is being misleading when talking about the advantages of whitelisting speed over blacklisting was just the last straw. Of course you don't have to be an expert to know that there is nothing inherently faster about using whitelisting as opposed to blacklisting.... :)
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well let's hope Comodo gets theirs PF v3 sometime out of beta 'status' :)
i mean atm we got only Online Armor PF as free for personal use product ...
i'm very sad that "Sunbelt" seems to ignore problems of KPF/SPF and development is on 'stall'
especially after seeing how hard they work on CounterSpy
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Yes i recognise you too, comodo fanboy (the way you are so proud that you are an insider at comodo pretty much pins you down). ;D
Honestly the problem with comodo is this blind faith that they are perfect or that everything they do is innovative or new.
Just try to contradict one of them and raise a word of caution and you get silenced. As a few posters have pointed out, I was perfectly correct on the facts, you comodo fanboys just couldn't stand hearing the truth. I got attacked for being a guy who clearly doesn't get it, or is against new hips methods, an absurd charge given that I'm the AUTHOR of the perhaps the most referenced pages on the web about such technologies. Heck even you comodo fanboys link to the pages i created about HIPS when talking about HIPS features... lol...
There is no security pancea, every approach has flaws.. even your whitelisting process (which isn't even close to being new)... Just saying that drives you fanboys mad, and I wonder why...
And of course pointing out that your CEO is being misleading when talking about the advantages of whitelisting speed over blacklisting was just the last straw. Of course you don't have to be an expert to know that there is nothing inherently faster about using whitelisting as opposed to blacklisting.... :)
And hello to you too! ;D
Let's have a quick lesson:
Fanboy is a term used to describe an individual (usually male; the feminine version fangirl may be used for females) who is utterly devoted to a single fannish subject, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession. Fanboys remain loyal to their particular obsession, disregarding any factors (often including logic) that differ from their point of view.
Well that pretty much narrows it down.. If I was a fanboy, then that means I would not look at other products, which is incorrect, I am constantly testing and trying new things, and I constantly look at other firewalls.
Comodo makes a good software product and because of that I use it, does that make me a fanboy?
Comodo has flaws in its software, but at the moment it is one of the best firewalls on the market, free or paid, and that is reason enough to use it.
Now regarding HIPS, Comodo Firewall 3's HIPS works very well, and I like it, their HIPS in Comodo Firewall 3 is excellent and better then any other HIPS system I have used. Sure, white listing may not be new, but I get far fewer HIPS popups with Comodo Firewall 3 then I do with any other HIPS system I have used, and at the end of the day, being protected and low user interaction is all that matters.
So, just because I use a good security product, that is easy to use, does not make me a fan boy.
I use avast! Antivirus, does that make me an avast! fanboy? NO! it doesn't, I use avast! because I like it and it works, that's reason enough.
Oh, and about me being an insider on the forums, as that may be true everyone has an equal chance to become a moderator on the Comodo forums, how helpful and your attitude are major factors that are considered before you become an "insider".
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Mamma says: silence is gold...
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Mamma says: silence is gold...
lol Yes I agree Tech, that is most likely the last I will speak to Lusher in public, if he for any reason wants to continue this "conversation" it will have to be through PM.
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Fanboy is a term used to describe an individual (usually male; the feminine version fangirl may be used for females) who is utterly devoted to a single fannish subject, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession. Fanboys remain loyal to their particular obsession, disregarding any factors (often including logic) that differ from their point of view.
Indeed a very good description of you and your other blind slaves. I would also add a very reliable indicator of a fanboy is when one becomes irrationally proud of being an insider, as you have shown in this thread...
Well that pretty much narrows it down.. If I was a fanboy, then that means I would not look at other products, which is incorrect, I am constantly testing and trying new things, and I constantly look at other firewalls.
Afraid your logic is flawed. A fanboy could easily be trying new products, but it is his reaction and behavior that tells the real story. I know a guy who tries antivirus after antivirus, but he is clearly irrationally fond of one antivirus and no matter what, he refuses to acknowledge that maybe his chosen antivirus might have a few flaws...
The fact that I simply stated facts (which were indeed facts as pointed out by neutral parties) was enough to make you guys cook up some story that i was trolling, tells me how objective you guys really are.
Comodo makes a good software product and because of that I use it, does that make me a fanboy?
Flawed logic. Did I say all users of comodo firewall are fanboys? But you are a fanboy based on how personally you take criticism of comodo...
Comodo has flaws in its software, but at the moment it is one of the best firewalls on the market, free or paid, and that is reason enough to use it.
Says a guy who is so proud of his "insider" access.. Self-serving bias maybe? Lots of people get sucked in that way, they are so proud of being a "beta-tester", and having invested so much time and effort on testing, being involved with the "community" around the product, they lose their objectivity.
Now regarding HIPS, Comodo Firewall 3's HIPS works very well, and I like it, their HIPS in Comodo Firewall 3 is excellent and better then any other HIPS system I have used. Sure, white listing may not be new, but I get far fewer HIPS popups with Comodo Firewall 3 then I do with any other HIPS system I have used, and at the end of the day, being protected and low user interaction is all that matters.
LOL, you must be joking. Given that the whitelist in CF3 is still at best partly functional, I find your comment hard to believe. Most people i know who have tried CF3 say it is the most popup aggressive HIPS out there...
So, just because I use a good security product, that is easy to use, does not make me a fan boy.
Correct! But that's not why i call you a fanboy lol.
I use avast! Antivirus, does that make me an avast! fanboy? NO! it doesn't, I use avast! because I like it and it works, that's reason enough.
Probably. But I haven't studied your posts enough to judge either way.
Oh, and about me being an insider on the forums, as that may be true
Ever heard of cognitive dissonace?
It is a proven fact that employees of a company generally become sincerely more and more positive of the products they sell, even if the products they sell are not superior. The reason is obvious.
Similar, moderators of product forums are biased, particularly those who are oh so proud of their positions...
I mean if the products suck, people would leave, and that would make their moderator powers moot wouldn't it? What's the fun of being an insider of a product that sucked or simply wasn't the best? That would make the position they hold less desirable
Then there is the whole issue of being "one of the team".... which makes criticisms very difficult.
All these factors conspire to make "moderators" , "closed beta-testers" of products less objective and more of a fanboy then simple users of software who maintain emotional distance.
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Mamma says: silence is gold...
LOL. Unfortunately Tech, your forum is really low on my list of priorities to visit... Besides who knows the next time i might be hit by a storm worm just by visiting it. :)
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Why you bother to dredge this up after 8 days of no activity is beyond me. Some might say it is to inflame, I would say let sleeping dogs lie.
What would be preferable is that as this is the support forums for avast users, then contributions to help those avast users would be much more constructive or if that isn't your intent don't post at all.
I shan't be commenting further about this as it really is a waste of all of our time.
Unfortunately Tech, your forum is really low on my list of priorities to visit...
Perhaps you should devote even less time and get on with something more useful.
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It seems like Lusher's only posts are those that seek to provoke others.
I know of a few other folks who've been presented with banana's for less. ;D
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It seems like Lusher's only posts are those that seek to provoke others.
I know of a few other folks who've been presented with banana's for less. ;D
Yes you Evangelist's are ganging up on me, like good little avast fanboys....
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Perhaps you should devote even less time and get on with something more useful.
Okay you win. You won't see me here anymore!!
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Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. ;)
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Well said ;)
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Hi FwF & avatar2005,
"Good riddance, and another troll bites the dust",
polonus
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Actually I'm not that impressed. :-\
Anyway, thread closed.