Avast WEBforum
Other => General Topics => Topic started by: Culpeper on November 24, 2007, 03:20:02 AM
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I realize that many old timers are still here along with many people that have never seen a post by me. I'm still around and still testing out other AV programs. Avast! has always been my favorite "Free" program and hats off to the staff and users. Along with beta testing I also use other AV programs to see how they "fit". Currently, Comodo is a few actual releases away from being relied upon. But the purpose of this post is to show that Avast has some competition to be looked upon without bias. For example, AVG is now just as good as Avast for what AVG is designed to do. There support forum for the free version is a no fooling around affair. It is not a social community but one that is there to only address problems. This cuts down on nonsense and gets the developers to only see posts related to the issue of AVG. Also, PC Tools AV has reached ICSA and VB100 status. It is no longer something to be scoured upon. This thread is not intended to find criticism with Avast but to take a look upon the direction Avast is going compared to other programs we used to, and for some still do, laugh at. This is no longer a laughing matter. Avast has a few competitors in their market niche nipping at its heels. We need to take a serious look at the competition within this niche, which is the market niche of developers that offer a free use as well as a pay for license to use.
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This cuts down on nonsense and gets the developers to only see posts related to the issue of AVG.
I disagree. Their forum is very very stripped and even this way, the help is not as good, deep, quick as in avast forums. I won't call avast forums as a social community, but an active community. I don't find that many nonsense posts here ;)
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And trying to define: NONSENSE I simply couldn't agree... In here we can find some serious stuff, we can find some good and some bad jokes, we can also find some sad s**t, we can find some posts where we announced our babies were born, we can find some posts where our good friends, long time avast forum members passed away... true there was a lot of fights in the past, but in the same time take a look at it from this angle:
All this stuff we can find in our everyday life, every single day. So defining this word "NONSENSE" we can also say life is nonsense... well, maybe it is, but sure it is fun. Remember, we are not robots nor we want to be.
AVG is good product, hats down, and while their forum may be better and more technical help, it simply doesn't have soul we can find in here. Just my humble opinion.
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And trying to define: NONSENSE I simply couldn't agree... In here we can find some serious stuff, we can find some good and some bad jokes, we can also find some sad s**t, we can find some posts where we announced our babies were born, we can find some posts where our good friends, long time avast forum members passed away... true there was a lot of fights in the past, but in the same time take a look at it from this angle:
All this stuff we can find in our everyday life, every single day. So defining this word "NONSENSE" we can also say life is nonsense... well, maybe it is, but sure it is fun. Remember, we are not robots nor we want to be.
Agree.
AVG is good product
Agree. But not better than avast.
and while their forum may be better and more technical help, it simply doesn't have soul we can find in here. Just my humble opinion.
Fully agree.
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Culpeper,
The main differences in the AVG forum and the Avast forum is quite simple.
If you need help relating to AVG, simply go to their forum.
If you need help on virtually any software including AVG, go to the avast! forum. :)
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The producers of Avast!, in the end, aren't creating a social atmosphere as a going concern for the product. Especially, since most people use the free version. What do they [Avast! staff] get out of that? Please, stay on topic, don't get your feelings twisted and look at the different products that are out there without being so damn biased whenever someone comes on here with this topic. Cool, Avast! has a social forum for those that never get out of the house. What does the product have compared to its competition? How is that better than the competition? Do advantages of Avast! also have some disadvantages like additional resource use? And so forth. Please read the first post carefully. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with the old timers about their crib. And keep in mind many people that are going to be reading this thread are going to be looking for a free AV and not a party.
The whole idea of bringing up the "forum' to begin with was to give the old timers the hint that perhaps they are not best suited to address this thread since they can't help but be biased. Avast! is a business. You want to help them out or take advantage of free room and board?
Aye, prepare to be boarded.
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Other users that will be looking for a free antivirus will certainly not judge about this antivirus by reading this forum. They come here for help, and there is always someone who will unselfishly try to help them.
Social forum for those that never leave their house ? That's not true. We all can access this forum at work too. Of course we don't have to, it's not like a must, but we feel responsible to provide an answer if someone expect it from us. I don't know, but maybe we know how to manage our free time. I'm assuring you my life is a lot more than just sitting and answering in this forum, and I am sure there are other too who can say the same.
Biased or not, I am sure I am not biased... I am the one who tried every single antivirus and firewall out there. It's not my fault if there is nothing better than this so I always come back.
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The whole idea of bringing up the "forum' to begin with was to give the old timers the hint that perhaps they are not best suited to address this thread since they can't help but be biased. Avast! is a business. You want to help them out or take advantage of free room and board?
Sounds like someone got up on the wrong side of the bed ???
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Other users that will be looking for a free antivirus will certainly not judge about this antivirus by reading this forum. They come here for help, and there is always someone who will unselfishly try to help them.
You just proved my point. You are unable to look at anything related outside this forum or this product without getting hurt. If you think people are not reading these threads while deciding what they want to use then you have become institutionalized and I asked you old timers to avoid this phenomenon so as not to pollute this thread. And the more you guys defend your front porch and the less you discuss the competition the less likely someone is going to choose Avast! because the old timers are burnt out and are unable to stay on topic. Stop avoiding the subject of this thread with all this subterfuge. It isn't going to help Avast!
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You just proved my point. You are unable to look at anything related outside this forum or this product without getting hurt. If you think people are not reading these threads while deciding what they want to use then you have become institutionalized and I asked you old timers to avoid this phenomenon so as not to pollute this thread.
What are you talking about ??? Maybe your Trolling ???
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aren't creating a social atmosphere as a going concern for the product.
I don't think so... lots of Professional users start with Home and forums...
without being so damn biased whenever someone comes on here with this topic.
I don't think we're biased. We tested a lot of other antivirus and products. We're not stupid biased people.
Cool, Avast! has a social forum for those that never get out of the house.
I've used and tested McAfee, Norton, BitDefender, Avira, AVG, ClamWin, NOD32 and (on-line) Kasperky.
Are you sure I never get out of home?
What does the product have compared to its competition? How is that better than the competition?
There are a lot of threads that already discussed this... look, we can start a new one, but please don't think it's a biased, it just another one...
Avast! is a business. You want to help them out or take advantage of free room and board?
We are helping them and the others and you can't imagine how...
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Okay, you guys made your bed. See ya in another year or so. Lets just not talk about such things as Comodo a year from now, or PC Tools, or AVG, and so forth. We wouldn't want to do that. Lets just talk about how long we have been living under one roof while sitting on the couch. I guarantee that the staff are discussing this subject and you guys have been a great help for them. *rolleyes*.
BTW, you haven't been trolled. You've been owned.
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You just proved my point. You are unable to look at anything related outside this forum or this product without getting hurt. If you think people are not reading these threads while deciding what they want to use then you have become institutionalized and I asked you old timers to avoid this phenomenon so as not to pollute this thread. And the more you guys defend your front porch and the less you discuss the competition the less likely someone is going to choose Avast! because the old timers are burnt out and are unable to stay on topic. Stop avoiding the subject of this thread with all this subterfuge. It isn't going to help Avast!
No you missed my point. I am getting hurt when someone is trying to say that we don't have life other than this virtual life in this forum... I have my family, my beautiful wife and daughter and they are not missing anything. I am not one of those that keeps staring into the screen whole day, while this whole life is passing by. Sometimes I think how I manage to find some time for everything, but it looks I do manage.
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Okay, you guys made your bed.
What do you want to talk about?
Advantages and disadvantages? Features?
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Lets just not talk about such things as Comodo a year from now, or PC Tools, or AVG, and so forth.
If you would look at the forum, you would notice that there are many threads about these subjects.
I think sometimes to many but, to come out and say that they aren't being discussed is absurd.
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I don't feel owned Culpeper....that's a peculiar word, "owned" - what DOES it really mean?? It sounds sort of insulting....but I'm sure you didn't mean that. I'm not sure what you're irritated by either....
I come here because over the years, this forum has quickly answered my questions and dealt with my fears. No other fora have been so understanding, so patient or so free with their good advice. While I understand the points you are making, personally, and IMHO only, this forum is just fine the way it is. I had a question last week - it was answered within half an hour and most of the world sleeps while I'm awake.
It is an avast! forum after all. It's natural we'll be more interested here in avast! specific info, yet it's here I've learned about other good software from people I now trust. It is certainly discussed. While it's true there will always be competitors, that's not really the users' concern; that's a management/business decision for Alwil who may or may not be influenced by what is discussed here.
What specifically did you wish to discuss? (Because discussion is usually a good thing.) Thank you for testing other software. Did the results disturb you? Do you have information we should be aware of?
Thank you to all the "old timers" (I know you're not old) for the amazing amount of work you all do voluntarily. I'd be lost without y'all and appreciate the help and huge learning curves you've helped me through.
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This forum is just fine the way it is.
Except because some users want statistics, others (the most) want the Off Topic board back.
What specifically did you wish to discuss? (Because discussion is usually a good thing.) Thank you for testing other software. Did the results disturb you? Do you have information we should be aware of?
Good questions. Hope Culpeper doesn't lose it's humor and come back...
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I don't feel owned Culpeper....that's a peculiar word, "owned" - what DOES it really mean?? It sounds sort of insulting...
It is:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=owned (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=owned)
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avast!webforum is truly international. People from all over the world post here. Different customs, languages & personalities.
This forum is an English language forum, even though it's provided by people of the Czech Republic, many whose native tongue isn't English have to post in broken English, plus there's a difference between American English & British English adding up to miss understandings.
Now add in the different customs & personalities and you have contentions.
It's not fair to get offended, feel insulted or call someone trolling. Give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Some look at things from a different angle. Grow some "thick skin". If this was done we may not have lost the off-topic forum.
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This forum is just fine the way it is.
Except because some users want statistics, others (the most) want the Off Topic board back.
What specifically did you wish to discuss? (Because discussion is usually a good thing.) Thank you for testing other software. Did the results disturb you? Do you have information we should be aware of?
Good questions. Hope Culpeper doesn't lose it's humor and come back...
What I wanted to discuss and what I wanted to avoid is all in my first post.
Unfortunately, it didn't turn out that way because certain people want to defend the forum, which is totally irrelevant, and shows that the community suffers from group think. With the exception of Techie most of those that have posted have done little in the way of supporting Avast! outside of defending turf. Even Techie has fallen into the trap door on this particular thread. I wanted to see a compare and contrast of Avast! competition for the particular market niche they compete within. You guys got an "F" for failure on this topic. End of story.
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"The problems that exist in the world today, cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." --Albert Einstein--"
End of story
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Unfortunately, it didn't turn out that way because certain people want to defend the forum, which is totally irrelevant, and shows that the community suffers from group think. With the exception of Techie most of those that have posted have done little in the way of supporting Avast! outside of defending turf...
I'd say, check your facts... "they" still have done a lot more than the one who just showed us his ways of talking to the "group" ;)
Not even sure why you exploded... all we were saying was that this forum is not a nonsense and that's exactly what you tried to insinuate although indirectly through your first post in this thread.
EDIT: Oh I almost forgot to mention something... 3 my computers here and I have avast! freeware installed on just one of them, my desktop PC. That's not even half, that's one third. My iMac has ClamAx installed, and my laptop (look at that now...) with Vista as its OS, has the latest version of AVG installed. And I am biased ? Don't think so...
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What I wanted to discuss and what I wanted to avoid is all in my first post.
Your main statement in your first post was to inform us that are other free AV products available, a fact, I would imagine, that most people have managed to grasp without your assistance.
Your comments about the AVG Forum would suggest that a similar post to this one would not be welcome there, so perhaps their intolerance of 'nonsense' posts is something that should be considered.
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You guys got an "F" for failure on this topic. End of story.
I'll give you an "A" for arrogance.
Your original post seemed to indicate that you preferred both avg and their forum style.
Unfortunately you can't express that on their forum.
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Children,
Play nice. ;D
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And we're so close to Christmas time ;) Let's be happy!
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"The problems that exist in the world today, cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." --Albert Einstein--"
End of story
I can put that in my own words without quoting Einstein..."Please don't piss on my shoes and tell me its raining".
--Culpeper--
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What I wanted to discuss and what I wanted to avoid is all in my first post.
Competition?
Well, let's go back to topic.
avast seems better on Symantec and McAfee resources usage.
avast seems better on AVG updates, configurability, interface and, from time to time, detection rate.
avast seems better than Clam and Avira in configurability but, probably, not in heuristic and detection rates.
avast is not better on Kaspersky and NOD32 detection rates (most of the times).
avast has the better free support and the better forum for sure.
They have more than 40 millions users all over the world. It's not that bad.
Although, AVG is more well known in my country and McAfee/Symantec is sold in every supermarket here.
They don't have an aggressive marketing policy.
What are your thoughts about this?
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"The problems that exist in the world today, cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." --Albert Einstein--"
End of story
I can put that in my own words without quoting Einstein..."Please don't piss on my shoes and tell me its raining".
--Culpeper--
I think your doing a good job on your own judging by your post in the Comodo Forum:
http://forums.comodo.com/general_discussion_off_topic_anything_and_everything/what_not_to_do_when_comodo_becomes_bona_fide
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No one needs to mess up your shoes for you. :)
Unfortunately this thread has turned into something we really don't need.
:'(
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Avast, pirates! Avast there! Avast, you dogs!...Sea gherkins!...Baboons!...
Buccaneers!...Filibusters!... Bagpipers!...Gallows fodder!
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I have tried quite a few AVs and always come back to Avast. As far as this forum show me a better one. Even at Wilders you can not even ask a A vs B question about AV software while here people have been open and helpfull. As for Avast competing on the world market they are used in G Data AV along with Kaspersky. I would say that shows that they felt Kaspersky wasn't enough so Avast to the rescue again. I will still try other software in the future since it's fun and gives a chance to compare. But will still keep Avast running on at least one image as it always works.
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DO NOT adjust your browser. This thread is solely due to the recent full moon, and will disappear shortly! :o
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DO NOT adjust your browser. This thread is solely due to the recent full moon, and will disappear shortly! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWD_gSg8dg
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DO NOT adjust your browser. This thread is solely due to the recent full moon, and will disappear shortly! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWD_gSg8dg
You know just because the thread didn't go the way you wanted doesn't mean you need to be insulting. You could have just ignored the posts you didn't agree with and then focused the thread in the manner you wanted to take it... why the rudeness?
Currently I'm using AntiVir because I feel it doesn't slow down my computer as much as Avast, and apparently has better detection rates. One of the biggest things for me was also the user interface which is much better than Avast!. I think unless Avast! makes a much prettier product it will lose out to Avira/Comodo (if you look at Comodo version 3 firewall it is absolutely beautiful, so we can assume the new version of the antivirus will look similar). Avast still has a lot of features I liked though, such as the boot scan so I didn't have to go into safe mode to run a scan, and the web/network shield - which most other free products don't have.
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Staind
I didn't put this thread on this course. The Hall Monitors did that. And what I do outside of this House of the Rising Sun is my business. I been around a long while. I know who the few people are that consistently are rude to newcomers that question the weaknesses Avast! may have. The Hall Monitors don't walk on water. They eat their young.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7EO1XNf_IM
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There's a lot of stuff on youtube, isn't there....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUAQSpF0hDc
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I buy my knives from Sheffield.
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There's a lot of stuff on youtube, isn't there
sure is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-WLn3jZDuQ
put my 2 cents in this thread-that's about all it's worth ::) :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-GaRKDsz-Y
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There's a lot of stuff on youtube, isn't there....
Indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdtEd0_d0ik
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So you think Avast is GUI challenged huh? LOL. First of all I feel that ones tastes in GUI's is subjective. (I do agree that the Comodo Pro 3.0 GUI is nice though) Secondly, I have used AVG and Avira and while i liked them both, they also each had a few little quirks that I didn't like about them. However as far as Avast goes. I personally like the way its On-Access Protection Control is laid out, and that I don't have to install all the Shields. I also like to use different Skins for the Antivirus GUI to mix things up a bit, and simply love the spinning ball with the a in it in my Task Bar. Finally as far as detection rates, although the AV Comparatives On Demand Tests are important and Avast does quite well in them. It also does well in the Retrospective Tests without even having Heuristics. There's more, but this has obviously been more than just my 2 cents. LOL.
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Hi Culperer,
unlike many others, I find your post (the first post in this thread) quite interesting. However, you have to realize that the forum is probably not the best place to ask these questions. The vast majority of your questions are related to avast itself (not the forum) and its further development - which is, at least for now, something the forum staff (including the evangelists) can hardly influence...The thing is, the people who work here at the forum hope that we (Alwil) are doing our best and making sure avast is one of the best - and from time to time, they find out that avast may not be the best and that even avast has its weaknesses. Sometimes, it's a very unpleasant thing - especially considering that the people who're here to help cannot really change anything in the program itself.
Anyway, our strong belief is that the community factor on the avast forum is a very important thing. You may not like it, but we do and consider this as a clear competitive edge. It is one of the pillars of the Alwil product strategy.
I'd like to take this opportunity and give all people who're helping others on this forum a big thank you. You're vital to avast, and the way you work on the forum is admirable.
The problems we're seeing are mainly related to the forum concept itself (everyone sees everything, and everyone is allowed to post everywhere) and we will discuss further how to address these issues...
Now, to answer Culperer's questions:
Currently, Comodo is a few actual releases away from being relied upon.
I have to disagree on this one, but only time will tell... :)
For example, AVG is now just as good as Avast for what AVG is designed to do. There support forum for the free version is a no fooling around affair. It is not a social community but one that is there to only address problems. This cuts down on nonsense and gets the developers to only see posts related to the issue of AVG.
You may not be aware of this, but the AVG forum is not frequented by any AVG (Grisoft) developers at all. It is a community (voluntary) project only, hosted on the Grisoft website.
You may not know, but Grisoft is based just ~120 miles from us and we know many things about each other. I'd say that the amount of information we know about each other is directly proportional to the number of beers we have had together... :)
Also, PC Tools AV has reached ICSA and VB100 status. It is no longer something to be scoured upon.
PC Tools AV is now based on the VirusBuster engine. With all respect, I don't think their engine is on par, at least not for now. If you need some facts, we can talk furhter.
This thread is not intended to find criticism with Avast but to take a look upon the direction Avast is going compared to other programs we used to, and for some still do, laugh at.
Sure. You have to realize that the avast 4.x engine is now almost 5 years old (Avast 4.0.0 was first released in December 2002). That's a very long time. Of course, the original 4.0 release was quite a different program from the current 4.7.x builds, but some of the weaknesses and limitations of the engine (and other parts of the program) persist.
The dev team has been busy working on the new version for some time now. Our hope is that version 5.x will catapult avast from the middle to the top (now it's just a hope; let's wait with evaluation until after the program ships). Be sure that we're closely monitoring the competition, and making sure we're not behind (in the 4.x builds) and are quite ahead (in the 5.x series).
This is no longer a laughing matter.
There has never been, at least for me.
Avast has a few competitors in their market niche nipping at its heels. We need to take a serious look at the competition within this niche, which is the market niche of developers that offer a free use as well as a pay for license to use.
You can stay assured - there's quite a few people at Alwil working full time and doing exactly that for living.
Thanks
Vlk
P.S. I'd be very grateful if you could please stay on topic, most of the posts in this thread are completely nonsense...
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P.S. I'd be very grateful if you could please stay on topic, most of the posts in this thread are completely nonsense...
Thanks goodness Vlk I am glad you came, while I was reading I thought a Civil War has just begun.
Culperer I was a former membership user and owned of Norton Anti-virus and this product gave me the worst nightmare since I was a member for 3yrs, I wasn't happy with Norton filled with 12 Trojans 24 malwares sh#t virus still on my HD without knowing while I was still paying my membership to keep the product up to date and kept safe.
Since I started to loose my trust and confidence with Norton, I've been shared by a lot of great people on the forum website in the deaf community and they have expanded about the avast product and their support forum.
I just found out today their are about 20 Australian deaf people are in here, and they love it why is the communication they need and the help from others when we have trouble about Avast software and how to remove the virus etc etc etc.
There is no other Anti-virus company has a better support forum like Avast when people are needed to be helped, and to keep our computer safe from trouble virus it doesn't matter whether people are using free or pro Avast version as long as their a forum website on stand by.
I am proud to be here and I am proud to used the free version and Avast is the WORLD BEST in my own judgment.......hat off to Avast and thank you for your support for keeping my PC safe.
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This is no longer a laughing matter.
There has never been, at least for me.
For none of us it was...
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There is no other Anti-virus company has a better support forum like Avast when people are needed to be helped, and to keep our computer safe from trouble virus it doesn't matter whether people are using free or pro Avast version as long as their a forum website on stand by.
I am proud to be here and I am proud to used the free version and Avast is the WORLD BEST in my own judgment.......hat off to Avast and thank you for your support for keeping my PC safe
agree all the way with SpeedyPC and many many others ;)
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Vlk
Thank you for answering the questions they have been very helpful and informative. You're correct, the forum members couldn't answer the questions. And for the rest of you? Stop letting your ego write checks they can't cash. ;D
warning; graphic language
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s9F7p3w9jQ
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Stop letting your ego write checks they can't cash. ;D
Read the Vlk post. Where does he allow you to insult us?
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Stop letting your ego write checks they can't cash. ;D
Read the Vlk post. Where does he allow you to insult us?
Don't get your feelings hurt or feel insulted. Its easy.
Anyway, I'm going back into the real world now. I'll see you next holiday season. You all have a good Christmas.
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Anyway, I'm going back into the real world now.
I never get out of the real world... I'm always a real person, living and thinking one...
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I`m glad you came back Culpeper. However I am not glad to see what you really think of us, but in the same time I am happy you finally exposed yourself and revealed who you really are.
Oh, BTW... I am sure none of us ever left this real World. We live in real World and even this forum is a huge part of real World. If you think it is not, then you`re basically saying that all those new avast! users with all kind of problems, who came here for help, are not worthy helping them. We do our best to at least try to help them. No one knows everything, but everyone knows at least a little... when you combine all those knowledge database pieces, you get huge database... that`s exactly why we gather in here. Jokes and nonsense threads in this forum ? Of course, that`s also part of the real life and it`s wonderful. People who has no sense of humor, live a difficult and lonely life.
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People who has no sense of humor, live a difficult and lonely life.
how true Sasha...people who see the bad in everything sure must have a boring,un-interesting,no-love in their life type life ::) ???
made many friends here on this avast!forum who have helped me out so many times in certain things-you'all seem like a family to me-i would never insult one of my family :)
find sometime good to say one of these days and it may make you day brighter ;D
say something bad and it will make the day seem night(dark) :(
I'll see you next holiday season.
no thank you-if you are going to spread some more of your holiday cheer :P
(http://i6.tinypic.com/8g7r9qh.jpg)
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drhayden1,
I'm starting to feel hungry past me a burger ;D
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Vlk, can you move this thread to Evangelists' Corner? Thanks.
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Hi Culpeper,
Well I must make it clear here that a lot of posters on this forum have always been highly critical of avast. Being on the avast webforum does not mean that you are an avast fanboy perse. I always presented the avast story "plus". Always told that avast on its own could not secure your computer, it is a vital part of it 'though, but you need additional anti-malware protection, you need as secure a browser as is possible. Automatic updates of software, preventing infections, file system, using the appropriate rights (user rights versus admin's rights), know what is on your machine (process manager) etc. etc. I published on these subjects many many times, where browser security has my special interest (in browser scanning, script security measures etc., secure browser code, malware blocking script).
I also strongly advise to add additional non-resident scanning to give the avast anti-virus scanner a broader spectrum (a-squared, ewido, COMODO BoClean, DrWeb's CureIt, ClamWinFree Antivirus (because of its different background and philosophy). So the best forum members are those that come here holding avast's pulse all the time, and alert when they honestly think something is not right, but on the other hand if avast deserves it tell about the unique qualities of the product. I agree with you that only one av program and one fw application cannot keep your computer fully secure. But flaming does not bring a thing, helping to make avast webforum the best support forum there is, will. And you, Culpeper, can be part of that. We need all the know-how and expertise to do this. Anyway that is the opinion of..
polonus
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Well I must make it clear here that a lot of posters on this forum have always been highly critical of avast. Being on the avast webforum does not mean that you are an avast fanboy perse. ... So the best forum members are those that come here holding avast's pulse all the time
For instance: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=31381.msg264284#msg264284
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Christ, I just got a series of emails related to this thread. Post #44, in case you ladies haven't noticed, is actually a compliment.
Private Joker may be silly and he's ignorant but he's got guts and guts count.
Symbolism is something they obviously don't teach at tech school. I think highly of everyone including the old timers with thousands of posts. I just thought I would throw some ice cold water over your shoulders.
I went back over Vlk's post and I'm interested in seeing what you folks "think" about PC Tools AV based on Vlk's answer:
PC Tools AV is now based on the VirusBuster engine. With all respect, I don't think their engine is on par, at least not for now. If you need some facts, we can talk furhter. --Vlk--
Vlk can provide most the information we need. Now, this could change someone's mind about whether or not to give Avast a try or not. Keep in mind that Vlk also took this a step further with Alwil's own inventory:
Sure. You have to realize that the avast 4.x engine is now almost 5 years old (Avast 4.0.0 was first released in December 2002). That's a very long time. Of course, the original 4.0 release was quite a different program from the current 4.7.x builds, but some of the weaknesses and limitations of the engine (and other parts of the program) persist. --Vlk--
Now, this if very important and food for thought that tastes a lot better than SPAM from a person that has more than just a going concern for Avast. No pun intended.
I'm not going to interrupt with nasty comments or nonsense symbolism. I just want to sit back and listen from this point forward. Vlk understood exactly what I was driving at in my first post. Everything after that was a result of my complete shock that none of the forum members that have participated even came close. It's the "forum language" that has developed over time and it isn't good. But, now back on Vlk's responses....
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Hi Culpeper,
And what do you think your "luring" will bring you? And why didn't you post it in that other part of the forum, that was specially designed for these kind of ramblings? Very good question, I think, because you sought a wider audience for your opinions. "Where does the shoe hurt?" as we say in plain Dutch.
polonus