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Title: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Rednose on December 30, 2007, 07:11:35 PM
Hi all :)

I am just curious : When will Avast! 5 go into a public Beta ???

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: RejZoR on December 30, 2007, 07:15:32 PM
From last info known from Vlk, sometime in 2008 (if everything goes ok).
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Rednose on December 30, 2007, 07:23:57 PM
Can you give us any idea about the changes compared to version 4.x ???

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: RejZoR on December 30, 2007, 08:23:59 PM
Well we know there will be a huge upgrade to engine itself (packers which are constantly being updated anyway, possible generic unpacking engine). There is also a chance to see some form of heuristic scanning but ALWIL team is going to put some more effort in behavioral detection instead. We can as well expect GUI changes but nothing known so far.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: sanctuary24 on December 30, 2007, 09:05:26 PM
will the major changes of Avast version 5 render the current skins for the interface unusable.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: martosurf on December 30, 2007, 09:40:16 PM
I usually find other AV's fancy GUI pretty unusefull, I would like to have the same GUI or at least something very close to actual GUI which is both very functional and intuitive.

When I say other AV's you know: norman, panda, bitdefender (awfull!!!), mcafee, symantec, kasp, they all stink, they go the artificial fancy way.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Lisandro on December 30, 2007, 09:43:45 PM
When I see the topic I became happy... I thought it was an official announcement :'(
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: martosurf on December 30, 2007, 11:29:27 PM
When I see the topic I became happy... I thought it was an official announcement :'(

LOL same here Tech xD xD
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Cloussau on December 31, 2007, 05:52:56 AM
From last info known from Vlk, sometime in 2008 (if everything goes ok).

That means you can ask the same question again , starting from tomorrow  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: lenny24 on December 31, 2007, 09:47:28 AM
will the major changes of Avast version 5 render the current skins for the interface unusable.

Oh whatever they do PLEASE make sure the Terminal-0010 skin works with all future versions! That is the only interface I can use and it makes avast awesome!  8)
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Lisandro on December 31, 2007, 03:44:50 PM
Oh whatever they do PLEASE make sure the Terminal-0010 skin works with all future versions! That is the only interface I can use and it makes avast awesome!  8)
I see no reason for losing support of it...
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: RejZoR on December 31, 2007, 05:26:40 PM
I however do. Skins may be fun but honestly, ppl prefer streamlined, all in one interface over bunch of windows and menus here and there all seperated to dozen of panels. It's simply not useful and only confuses users regardless of how cool skins are.
Avira AntiVir interface is an example of good design. Kaspersky Antivirus 6 and 7 also fall into this category. If avast! will ever look something like this i'll ditch skins without any problem (i don't use them anyway)...
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: jwall on December 31, 2007, 06:00:22 PM
Don't get me wrong, I like avast, but I find the skins gimmicky and would prefer a straightforward GUI, just my opinion.  :)

Happy New Year, all  ;D
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: igor on December 31, 2007, 07:56:18 PM
I'm afraid I'll have to disappoint you, but the GUI will certainly be redesigned and the skins from avast! 4 won't work there.
The underlying technology, ActiveSkin, is quite obsolete (= it's not developed anymore, and without the sources there's no way to fix the problems - and there are quite a few).
I don't know if there will be any (alternative) skinning options in avast! 5 or not - but ActiveSkin will be the first thing to get rid of, sorry.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: RejZoR on December 31, 2007, 07:58:45 PM
Don't be. Making the skin was fun (i can say for my own, i'm sure Sasha had lots of fun doing all the skins too) but major GUI redesign is a need if we want avast! to be even more popular. Even if that means no skinning capability...
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Lisandro on December 31, 2007, 08:00:29 PM
The skins from avast! 4 won't work there.
Loose the skinning ability is sad... Hope you can find another alternative.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Vlk on December 31, 2007, 08:02:32 PM
With very high probability, skin support will be dropped from avast 5.
This decision has been made after a long consideration (we uderstand that it won't make happy some people but we still believe it will be a good move for avast and the vast majority of its users).

Plus, there have been some extra problems with the skins in terms of supportability (descirbing the UI wasn't that straightforward etc).

While I don't (personally) agree with RejZor that AntiVir's GUI is good, I'm quite confident the new avast GUI will make him very happy as it will fit his description quite well while still looking somewhat cool... ;)


Anyway, please don't ask us for exact schedules. It is simply too early. E.g. the GUI's development has started only very recently, so it will take quite some time before we have something that can actually be "tested"...

Cheers
Vlk
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: RejZoR on December 31, 2007, 08:14:44 PM
Well, i'm sure there is room for improvement even for AntiVir GUI but i found it's tabbed interface to be quiet friendly to navigate and centralized settings easy to find and manage (similar applies to KAV6 and KAV7 interface). Vlk, don't forget to post some screenshots of the GUI when it's mainly done in "you know where", so we can check it out and maybe give some feedback :)
I think these dev-user feedback has created some very positive results so far :)
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Vlk on January 01, 2008, 12:21:03 AM
So, just to recap... avast 5 is due later this year... ;) :D

Happy New Year to everyone! :)
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: sanctuary24 on January 01, 2008, 12:24:56 AM
Well if the skins wont work is the standard default one for version 5 going to be neat and clean looking?
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: lenny24 on January 01, 2008, 12:38:18 AM
So, just to recap... avast 5 is due later this year... ;) :D

Happy New Year to everyone! :)

Any chance you can make the default gui look exactly like terminal 0010? Or hire the guy who made that skin to do the gui  ;D

Either that or have new skin support for version 5, and the t0010 guy can redo it.  ;D
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: sanctuary24 on January 01, 2008, 02:02:25 AM
Vlk (or anyone from Alwil team) will Avast 5 be able to be installed over the current version or will it require us to remove the current version, its just that having to remove one can cause issues with registry entries not being fully removed and I personally would like it to be able to upgrade the current version without having to do any uninstalling
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: RejZoR on January 01, 2008, 02:04:25 AM
You'll just have to use integrated updater for that task. It always updated avast! regardles of how major upgrade there was...
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: patrice58 on January 01, 2008, 02:16:43 AM
I hope if you do use HIPS there will be a opt out tick box or something as some of us already have HIPS from firewalls and 2 HIPS running together is not a great idea.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: lenny24 on January 01, 2008, 02:18:23 AM
You know, the skins, and especially for me Terminal 0010 really give avast its personality. You guys should reconsider your skin decision, or at the very least make the new default gui exactly like terminal 0010. I can't stress this enough.  ;D
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: stevey on January 01, 2008, 02:54:47 AM
I hope it's not going to be a resource hog. :-\
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: igor on January 01, 2008, 03:20:44 AM
You'll just have to use integrated updater for that task. It always updated avast! regardles of how major upgrade there was...

Actually, this is probably not going to be the case for the update to avast! 5. You don't have to worry about possible conflicts, the installer won't let you install it without uninstalling the previous version first, maybe it will offer some kind of a migration tool (don't know), but it probably won't be handled like a usual program update - for technical reasons.

Anyway, it's too early to be worried about this.

Any chance you can make the default gui look exactly like terminal 0010? Or hire the guy who made that skin to do the gui  ;D

Sorry, this is not going to happen. The program will look very different - so it won't really be like any of the existing looks.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: RejZoR on January 01, 2008, 09:36:59 AM
igor, as long as it can check for update and maybe direct user to new download it's still fine.
I really hate Kaspersky way of updating program. Signatures are ok but program updates like crap (you always have to do it manually for a bit bigger updates, uninstalling, installing, eh). avast! updated everything automatically so far from 4.0 up to current 4.7. Just reboot and voila. Any chance of auto-uninstall of older version and instalaltion of v5 in one snap? So users won't have to do everything by hand (thats bad :P ).
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: MrRAlan on January 01, 2008, 04:16:40 PM
Well, i'm sure there is room for improvement even for AntiVir GUI but i found it's tabbed interface to be quiet friendly to navigate and centralized settings easy to find and manage (similar applies to KAV6 and KAV7 interface).

Actually, I find the current avast interface easier to manage than KAV6.  KAV6 is much more complex.  I hope Avast 5 maintains the user-friendly interface.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: RejZoR on January 01, 2008, 08:23:04 PM
avast! is certanly not easier. Settings split to On-Access interface and Simple Interface (On-Demand) don't make it any easier...
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Dwarden on January 02, 2008, 11:21:07 AM
well i'm sure we get hands on beta so Alwil can 'adjust' everything to maximize success :)
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: sanctuary24 on January 02, 2008, 01:13:48 PM
If the Alwil team can please look into either somehow making the latest version upgrade to version 5 or at least make the version 5 auto remove the existing Avast and then go onto installing the new one that would be great, as theres been many a time were I have had to remove something for something else only to have it start playing up I have faith in your skills and hope you will figure some way for it to be updated easily
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: al968 on January 02, 2008, 02:34:02 PM
I recently saw that Avast had a partrenership with Java is this partnership related to the skin ???
How about the partnership with Intel ???
All I ask for version 5 is that it keeps its high reliability  :)


Thanks

Al968
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: igor on January 02, 2008, 02:41:40 PM
If the Alwil team can please look into either somehow making the latest version upgrade to version 5 or at least make the version 5 auto remove the existing Avast and then go onto installing the new one that would be great

Don't worry, at least the second option will be present.

I recently saw that Avast had a partrenership with Java is this partnership related to the skin ???

I don't think it has anything to do with Java - it's probably related to the Solaris version.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: al968 on January 20, 2008, 02:58:05 AM
Ok  :)
How about with Intel ??? Is it the Intel Capital program ?

Thanks

Al968
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: bogidan4o on May 24, 2009, 10:43:20 PM
When you going to release beta version of Avast 5? I know that the final 5.x version is planned for July 2009, but beta...when? Tomorrow?  8)
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Dwarden on May 25, 2009, 03:23:53 AM
Ok  :)
How about with Intel ??? Is it the Intel Capital program ?

Thanks

Al968

Intel invested huge $ (millions) into Grisoft (AVG) in past years ...
so that would be quite interesting investment into 2 companies from same country at same AV market field
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: Bluesman on May 25, 2009, 06:51:06 AM
When you going to release beta version of Avast 5?

When it's ready...
Title: Re: Avast! 5 Beta
Post by: wpn on November 05, 2009, 12:24:51 AM
im trying to find any beta downloads for avast 5 and possibly adnm with the avast5 engine....

i have missed the beta thread but found it now...