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Title: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: PiCo on March 30, 2008, 01:17:31 AM
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P.S. If you have any issues with the new build, don't post in this thread. Instead, start a new one.

I had a frightening experience, but mostly due to my stupidity I guess.

I installed Avast! 4.8 and restarted the Computer as it prompted me to, but left Comodo Firewall PRO in Paranoid Mode (HIPS) and Spyware Terminator real-time Shield enabled!

While rebooting it took it 3-5 minutes to get into Vista and when it did the system was a crawl. After a few seconds the whole system froze and I rebooted again.
This time it wouldn't get into Vista!

I rebooted in Safe Mode and did a System Restore to a day earlier. I swirched off Spyware Terminator, lowered Comodo to training mode and updated again to 4.8. This time everything seems to be ok.

Comodo in training mode didn't learn anything new for Avast!, so I can say it wasn't the cause for this problem.

So Spyware Terminator is left and I'm really afraid to re-enable it... ???

Is anybody using those 2 together?
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: Rafel on March 30, 2008, 01:45:59 AM
I am ST user and CFP user too. If i use Comodo firewall, i recomend you disable hips of ST. I have got CPF, ST without HIPS and AVAST 4.8 runing smoothly.
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: gdiloren on March 30, 2008, 03:41:30 AM
I am ST user and CFP user too. If i use Comodo firewall, i recomend you disable hips of ST. I have got CPF, ST without HIPS and AVAST 4.8 runing smoothly.
Well, I have ST HIPS AND COMODO3 DEFENSE+ on and I am experiencing no problems at all with AVAST RC v. 4.8. Everything is OK. :o
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: PiCo on March 30, 2008, 05:56:53 AM
Thanx for your replies, but I sadly have to announce that I uninstalled Avast! 4.8.

Even with ST uninstalled, my system would still be crawling untill it would freeze completly :(
I tried to roll back to version 4.7, but system restore didn't help.

I don't know why it behaved like this, I couln't even open task manager to kill a proccess or sth!
Rough night..

If it helps:
Vista Ultimate 32 bit - no SP1
UAC on

I'm temporarily on AVG.
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on March 30, 2008, 08:43:25 AM
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Well, I have ST HIPS AND COMODO3 DEFENSE+ on and I am experiencing no problems at all with AVAST RC v. 4.8. Everything is OK.

I don't think it's a smart idea to be running two HIPS programs at the same time(what are you trying to achieve with this ?) ... Comodo's HIPS is way better IMO, just use that one if you must use a HIPS.
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: oldman on March 30, 2008, 08:52:50 AM
A litte confused here. You uninstalled 4.8, then did a system restore? Why?

If 4.7 worked before, it should work now. Did you uninstall via add/remove programs and use the uninstall utilty?
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: PiCo on March 30, 2008, 03:01:54 PM
A litte confused here. You uninstalled 4.8, then did a system restore? Why?

If 4.7 worked before, it should work now. Did you uninstall via add/remove programs and use the uninstall utilty?
I did a system restore in order to roll back to 4.7v, but I couldn't since it would update as soon as I logged into Windows and ask for a restart for the 4.8v.

I rebooted in Safe Mode and uninstalled Avast!.

I had a hard time even opening a pdf file, it would use 100% of CPU and wait for 5-6 sec untill it oppened.

I will try a clean from scratch installation later on to see if the problems persist.
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: Lisandro on March 30, 2008, 04:27:50 PM
PiCo, HIPS from Comodo + ST and avast will drain your computer performance... Are you satisfied?
ST + AVG will give, imho, less protection than only avast.
If you disable Comodo, will the problem persist?
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: Dieselman on March 30, 2008, 04:40:36 PM
Honestly speaking ST has become bloated junk with its toolbar. I use Avast 4.8 along with Comodo 3.0 and my system is fine. I have the same set up for my laptop and desktop.
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: Lisandro on March 30, 2008, 04:50:24 PM
Honestly speaking ST has become bloated junk with its toolbar.
I agree. I do not use the toolbar. Just antispyware and ClamAV while on-demand scanning.
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: PiCo on March 30, 2008, 09:44:55 PM
Tech thanx for the interest. It must be sth else, cause I installed Avast! 4.8 with ST uninstalled completly and CFP HIPS disabled.

The system will just freeze after a few minutes. AVG is temporary, I will go back to Avast! when it gets fixed ;)
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: Vlk on March 30, 2008, 09:48:09 PM
After a few minutes?
Then it may be actually related to the rootkit scan on system startup.
Try disabling it in avast settings (Troubleshooting page) and see if it makes any difference.

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: gdiloren on March 31, 2008, 04:54:14 PM
I am ST user and CFP user too. If i use Comodo firewall, i recomend you disable hips of ST. I have got CPF, ST without HIPS and AVAST 4.8 runing smoothly.
Well, I have ST HIPS AND COMODO3 DEFENSE+ on and I am experiencing no problems at all with AVAST RC v. 4.8. Everything is OK. :o
I must add I deactivated the HIPS protection in ST as suggested. Should I uncheck anything else. I have a problem that may be associated with AVAST (web protection) or if not to Comodo 3 Firewall (can't see anything else). From times to times upon rebooting I can't properly surf on the internet. My connection is ACTIVE (I can update AVAST) but I can't surf with my browsers. Usually after a reboot the problem is gone. ???
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: PiCo on March 31, 2008, 05:49:24 PM
After a few minutes?
Then it may be actually related to the rootkit scan on system startup.
Try disabling it in avast settings (Troubleshooting page) and see if it makes any difference.

Thanks
Vlk
I can freeze the system immediately if I do a search like in the attached photo I give you! It even freezes if i try to open and read a pdf file. My network connection slowed signifactly down, once I even had to reboot like the friend above me.
Folders are not oppening as fast, the whole system behaves as having the CPU in full load 100%, but it's not in full load! It's normal as it was with previous version of Avast!
And eventually, it crashes after a few minutes..

I have Avast! uninstalled now, because I'm working on a C++ project and can't handle the continuing crashes. This is the best information I can give you, it's like 4.8v was steadily poisoning my system.

One thing I can tell you for sure, is that with Spyware Terminator off, things were going a bit better, but when I pushed a bit the system (doing a search, opening a file, playing some music with wmp), it crashed.   
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: Vlk on March 31, 2008, 07:13:07 PM
I'd really love to see a minidump, really. Without it, we can just speculate about what the problem really is... :-[
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: rdmaloyjr on March 31, 2008, 08:16:21 PM
I have a problem that may be associated with AVAST (web protection) or if not to Comodo 3 Firewall (can't see anything else). From times to times upon rebooting I can't properly surf on the internet. My connection is ACTIVE (I can update AVAST) but I can't surf with my browsers. Usually after a reboot the problem is gone. ???

This is obviously a problem with Comodo as avast! doesn't block browsers.

I don't see why anyone messes with Comodo, it's nothing but trouble!

There are excellent free firewalls that are easy to use.

Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: PiCo on March 31, 2008, 09:05:36 PM
I'd really love to see a minidump, really. Without it, we can just speculate about what the problem really is... :-[
I guess minidump is created when you have a BSoD or a system error, in Windows/minidumb folder. I can't get a BSoD cause by saying "my system crashes", I mean "it tottaly freezes". No errors, no anything, it's like hitting the "pause" button for windows.

Only way out, was the reboot button. Even then, no minidumb file.
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: igor on March 31, 2008, 09:11:46 PM
Do you have a PS/2 keyboard? (i.e. not USB)
(not necessarily connected - but one you could connect)
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: PiCo on March 31, 2008, 09:23:17 PM
Do you have a PS/2 keyboard? (i.e. not USB)
(not necessarily connected - but one you could connect)
PS/2 by Logitech with it's software on. This is the exact model -> http://www.plaisio.gr/product.aspx?catalog=23&category=69978166&product=784575 (http://www.plaisio.gr/product.aspx?catalog=23&category=69978166&product=784575)

I was able to move the mouse, when the system froze, but clicking on sth wouldn't do anything. Cntr+Alt+Del wouldn't do anything either, I think it gave me an error once when the system was frozen and I pressed it like a hundrend times. Said it couldn't open task manager.

Oh I would really love it if you could send me the previous setup.exe file for Avast!. The latest 4.7 version I mean. I have lost it.
My e-mail is in my profil for mods to see.

Thank u!!
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: Giraffe on March 31, 2008, 09:25:52 PM
You can get former versions here:

http://www.filehippo.com/download_avast_antivirus/

on the RH side of the page.
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: igor on March 31, 2008, 09:28:10 PM
Try to invoke a memory dump by the magic shortcut, as described here (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=22636.msg187340#msg187340)... it's possible that it will work (and tell us why it froze).

There are changes in registry necessary to be made first - I guess they can be done in safe-mode.
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: Dieselman on March 31, 2008, 10:42:33 PM
I have a problem that may be associated with AVAST (web protection) or if not to Comodo 3 Firewall (can't see anything else). From times to times upon rebooting I can't properly surf on the internet. My connection is ACTIVE (I can update AVAST) but I can't surf with my browsers. Usually after a reboot the problem is gone. ???

This is obviously a problem with Comodo as avast! doesn't block browsers.

I don't see why anyone messes with Comodo, it's nothing but trouble!

There are excellent free firewalls that are easy to use.



I use Comodo 3.0 and Avast 4.8 on both my desktop and laptop with no troubles. I am also a Comodo team member.
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: tush_jainn on May 07, 2008, 06:58:51 PM
Hi!

I face issue with Avast and Comodo (both latest version, vista ultimate).
1. Boot is very very slow, i have dual core AMD processor and 2.5 GB RAM.
2. Internet becomes very very slow as if both are monitoring network.
I tried replacing Avast with AVG, it works fine, though i want to use Avast.
I have Threat Fire too but i doubt that it has anything to do with the issue, though i will try uninstalling it too.

Please assist.

Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: Lisandro on May 07, 2008, 08:27:31 PM
I have Threat Fire too but i doubt that it has anything to do with the issue, though i will try uninstalling it too.
I won't be so self-confident on this... I'd like to see your tests without ThreatFire...
Title: Re: Major problem with Avast! 4.8 [Comodo 3 + Spyware Terminator scenario]
Post by: maybeok0 on May 08, 2008, 12:53:27 AM
Hi,
Just a suggestion?

Uninstall the Comodo 3.0 and download and try the older Comodo Version 2.4

I had simular problems with the Version 3.0 owing to its highly sophisticated programming

I found the 2.4 meets my needs

Regards